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00:01 < ybit> heh, i think everyone here is interested in that danielcc 
00:02 < danielcc> Thats great!!!
00:02 < ybit> what exactly are you looking at building right now?
00:03 < ybit> Phreedom has been working on a precision positioning system
00:03 < ybit> check out http://freefab.org in a few days, it should be back up then
00:03 < danielcc> short term: afm, and photo-lithography
00:03 < danielcc> long term: complete clean room
00:04 < ybit> welcome to the club
00:05 < danielcc> lol
00:05 < ybit> have you seen the threads about afm on the diybio mailing list? 
00:06 < ybit> and how far have you come along in your projects?
00:07 < danielcc> We have not started building, but I have assembled a team and we have a professor who specialized in AFM as well as clean room equipment.
00:08 < danielcc> this guy has even grown his own tips
00:09 < ybit> the freefab roadmap: http://pastebin.ca/1676046
00:11 < ybit> anyway, stick around, grab a bite to eat and watch out for that guy over there (fenn)
00:11 < danielcc> i may have to hang it up for the night soon
00:11 < danielcc> it is after 1 here, and i only got 3 hours of sleep last nigh
00:11 < ybit> where are you?
00:12 < danielcc> south carolina 
00:12 < ybit> ah, alabama here, one hour behind you
00:12 < ybit> you should probably sleep now :)
00:12 < ybit> see you around
00:13 < danielcc> kk
00:14 < danielcc> i will try to drag some more guys up on here that are interested on this project... I am going to leave the channel open if you have any ideas over the night
00:14 < ybit> kanzure: any luck on finding the banana plug?
00:14 < kanzure> no
00:15 < ybit> ideas? well.. http://ybit.ath.cx/books/Scanning%20tunneling%20micscrope.pdf might be helpful
00:18 < kanzure> updated: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/meetlog.txt
00:19 < kanzure> high voltage: http://205.243.100.155/frames/Z02A.jpg
00:20 < ybit> it's kind of hard to do much beyond writing an inventory.yaml though
00:20 < kanzure> not true
00:20 < kanzure> i don't think you read what i wrote to you about this
00:21 < kanzure> the idea is to help users identify what they have
00:21 < ybit> go on..
00:21 < ybit> or copy/paste please..
00:21 < kanzure> so by looking up at the current packages we will ask them if the top n-most-similar packages are what they meant
00:21 < kanzure> so if they says 'sears blowtorch' and it brings up 'blowtorch' that'll be it
00:22 < ybit> for some strange reason, i had it in my head that the only supported hardware for the time being would be a reprap
00:23 < ybit> for the time being == until we can get our hands on something else
00:23 < kanzure> i have other tools laying around
00:23 < kanzure> like a hammer
00:23 < kanzure> no reprap though
00:59 < genehacker> I wonder when my reprap will finish being printed...
01:05  * ybit likey http://pypi.python.org/pypi/windmill
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04:23 < fenn> ybit the -lShealOper thing is because it can't find the library, either because it doesn't exist, isn't named properly, or the paths (env variable) are set wrong
04:24 < fenn> i'd love to go to vandenberg to watch the rocket, but i'm hitching a ride with joseph jackson to SF-area and dunno what the schedule is like
04:27  * fenn forgets what the other question was
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08:10 < fenn> the myvu actually works.. that's a relief
08:10 < fenn> doesn't seem to like converted S-video too much though
08:11 < fenn> had to plug in the video connector like 6 times before it decided to work
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09:11 < ybit> fenn: yeah, i figured that much ( that it couldn't find the library), i did forget to use -NO_GEOM
09:11 < ybit> forgot you'rer heading to s.f. to visit with your brother
09:12  * ybit growls at typos
09:40 < ybit> kanzure: knowledge in the meetlog, now that's an interesting heading, maybe something like interesting reading would be more appropriate since people are sharing knowledge all the time?
09:59 < kanzure> knowledge isn't the right word
09:59 < kanzure> it's more like "heard-of" or "to-stalk"
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11:31 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Everhart-Thornley_detector
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12:06 < kanzure> scriptaculous, prototypejs, or yui. anyone like one in particular?
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12:10 < ybit2> i find it entertaining that the bios on this computer says "keyboard not found, press F1 to continue"
12:19 < ybit> w00t, tunneling from work
12:19 < ybit> kanzure: yui
12:19 < ybit> and i also like jquery
12:19 < ybit> as much as one can stand javascript thatis
12:20 < ybit> fenn: mind sharing your first impressions of the myvu?
12:21 < kanzure> yui looks like my pick too. was just playing around with the dojo fisheye view demo: http://demos.dojotoolkit.org/demos/fisheye/
12:22 < ybit> btw http://www.nltk.org/ looks neat
12:22 < ybit> i was influenced by this morningg's podcast dedicated to it
12:23 < kanzure> yeah i was using nltk's wordnet module a few days ago
12:23 < ybit> oh wow, that fisheye demo is nice
12:23 < kanzure> i don't like how it spontaneously closes when you click on something. like if you click on the first icon you get an alert() and then it immediately closes.
12:23 < kanzure> it should have a time lag since your mouse was stolen from you
12:23 < kanzure> (well not stolen but still)
12:24 < ybit> what closes?
12:24 < kanzure> jquery slide out / slide in is pretty nice. $("div.contentToChange p.firstparagraph:hidden").slideDown("slow");
12:24 < kanzure> $("div.contentToChange p.firstparagraph:visible").slideUp("slow");
12:24 < kanzure> ybit: the fisheye view goes back to "regular" when i click on the alert ("ok") button
12:24 < ybit> using mozilla 3.5.5 and it doesn't close
12:24 < ybit> this is on windows
12:25 < ybit> ah, right
12:25 < kanzure> it also seems to mimic my jerky finger
12:25 < ybit> have you had a chance to call biobasic?
12:25 < kanzure> i called them yesterday but nobody picked up, so i left a message
12:25 < fenn> ybit: it's sort of like you're looking through a tube; the viewable angle is very small compared to the amount covered up by the glasses/plastic crap. the image looks ok when fed true composite video, like a TV
12:25 < ybit> i would call back
12:26 < kanzure> yeah the image quality was fine
12:26 < fenn> and it doesn't fit in front of glasses very easily
12:26 < fenn> which is a major bummer for me and probably every other nerd on the planet
12:26  * kanzure was playing some dragon ball z on it
12:26 < ybit2> :P
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12:27 < fenn> in short i would have bought a microoptical if i could
12:27 < fenn> but that's to be expected
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12:54 < kanzure> nice links: http://p9.hostingprod.com/@modha.org/blog/2009/11/post_3.html on the supercomputing2009 cat brain topic
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13:17 < kanzure> hm: http://www.labspaces.net/
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14:04 < kanzure> hey branstrom, wrldpc2
14:05 < branstrom> world peace?
14:05 < branstrom> sure
14:05 < branstrom> spread it
14:05 < branstrom> spread the love
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14:20 < wrldpc2> aloha
14:23 < kanzure> ahola?
14:23 < kanzure> ok so it looks like jquery
14:24 < kanzure> btw, i'm hosting a get together at my pad sometime this week or next
14:46 < ybit> you have a pad? i've got to get one of those
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14:58 < kanzure> hey genehacker 
14:59 < kanzure> genehacker: http://doodle.com/sv36n7vsc4grw9cn fill that out or else
15:02 < genehacker> already did
15:02 < kanzure> you can do the bus thing or some people are probably willing to drive
15:03 < kanzure> looks like saturday's going to be it
15:03 < kanzure> but we'll see
15:03 < genehacker> yeah
15:03 < genehacker> hmmm...
15:03 < genehacker> we got a decent amount of people
15:03 < genehacker> perhaps we should start some club or something using the school funding thing
15:04 < kanzure> if the school wants to give me money that would be neat
15:04 < genehacker> you have to ask for it
15:05 < kanzure> "i can has monies?"
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15:05 < genehacker2> you said you found some people interested in synbio?
15:05 < genehacker2> dammit
15:06 < kanzure> yeah i'd say a few at least
15:07 < genehacker2> hmmm...
15:07 < genehacker2> so supposedly there's supposed to be some goons handing out a jiggered version of the origin of the species on campus
15:07 < genehacker2> today
15:08 < genehacker2> also has Dave finished his makerbot?
15:08 < genehacker2> and do you have a backyard?
15:11 < kanzure> dave finished his makerbot
15:11 < kanzure> he won't be here until next week though :(
15:11 < kanzure> i don't have a backyard but i have a parking lot that's mostly empty. also a playground across the street
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15:17 < kanzure> standardization in lab automation: http://www.sila.coop/
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15:24 < kanzure> 15:20 < jonathan___> two acrynyms:  AEGIS  and SAMRS
15:27 < kanzure> david nunez will be back in town next week and wants to meet up
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15:29 < genehacker> did you meet any other ME's?
15:30 < kanzure> tim silverman
15:30 < genehacker> yeah, besides him?
15:30 < kanzure> aniruddha nene ( http://cdm.com/ )
15:30 < kanzure> a few others (john kidenda or something)
15:30 < genehacker> is he an undergrad?
15:30 < kanzure> no
15:30 < kanzure> no undergrad mech-e people really
15:30 < genehacker> dnag
15:30 < kanzure> bbl
15:30 < kanzure> eating or showering or something
15:30 < kanzure> maybe eating while showering
15:31 < genehacker> ok
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15:58 < fenn> maybe eating while showering http://www.fototime.com/{C9F28F2D-CDC2-4A1C-96CB-7343990698CB}/picture.JPG 
16:02 < kanzure> looks like 4 people are showing up on saturday? http://doodle.com/sv36n7vsc4grw9cn
16:02 < ybit> jeebus kanzure 
16:03 < ybit> i swear my phone almost died because of the many retweets it received in such a short time
16:03 < kanzure> wait people actually use twitter?
16:03 < ybit> seriously, it was overheating and i was being alerted that the batter was low because it really couldn't handle it all :P
16:03 < ybit> it
16:03 < ybit> 's an ancient phone
16:03 < ybit> almost as old as my computer
16:04 < ybit> had to eventually unsubscribe from your tweets
16:04 < ybit> oi tabs 
16:05 < ybit> kanzure: do you want to go see the rocket launch on monday?
16:05 < ybit> my flight isn't until 2pm that day
16:05 < kanzure> i need to look at my itinerary
16:05 < kanzure> i leave from LAX at 1:50 on the 7th
16:05 < ybit> just because we have the same hotel room doesn't mean we are going to do the same things, right. i may go visit with the u.c. irvine peeps
16:06 < ybit> i think the virtual reality lab would be fun
16:06 < ybit> so we are leaving about the same time
16:06 < genehacker> wait a second isn't that during finals week?
16:06 < kanzure> planning stuff usually sucks
16:06 < ybit> the launch is @ 6am
16:06 < kanzure> it's a better idea to just hang out with people
16:06 < genehacker> or am I miscalibrated
16:07 < kanzure> nope, you're right
16:08 < genehacker> you must have really easy classes
16:08 < ybit> i often debate how much it really is worth finishing school :\
16:08 < genehacker> I think it is worth it
16:08 < genehacker> you get a piece of paper other people seem to value
16:08 < ybit> maybe, if you aren't able to start a business yourself
16:09 < ybit> people only care about that piece of paper if you are working for them, they aren't going to ask nor check on it if they are doing business with you
16:09 < ybit> and if you are doing programming, that paper is useless
16:10 < ybit> i will finish school only because i'm not going in debt while attending
16:10 < ybit> free to go, so i might as well
16:11  * ybit was about to continue his spill on college versus education but decides not to
16:11 < ybit> versus self-education
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16:12 < fenn> it's spiel btw
16:13 < ybit> eh?
16:14 < ybit> i think just hanging out is a good idea to, less hassle
16:14 < kanzure> spill/spiel
16:14 < fenn> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3Aspiel&aq=f&oq=&aqi=
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16:14 < kanzure> fenn: want to meet up with this guy tonight? http://www.cs.utexas.edu/~akatti/
16:14 < kanzure> http://rjpinnell.info/ is giving me a ride
16:15 < ybit> phew, i thought fenn had taken a picture of kanzure eating while showering :P
16:15 < fenn> no, he seems ok but i'm from mars
16:15 < kanzure> going to sleep soon?
16:15 < fenn> nod
16:15 < ybit> oic, spiel, gracias
16:15 < genehacker> hey you guys know about the tesla coils right?
16:15 < genehacker> at 6:30?
16:16 < ybit> you mentioned something about them
16:16 < genehacker> 6:30 in front of the tower...
16:20 < kanzure> this is depressing: http://www.briansolis.com/2009/11/guess-how-many-tweets-fly-across-twitter-each-day/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Pr20+(PR+2.0)&utm_content=Pageflakes
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16:22 < genehacker> I've seen more depressing things before
16:23 < ybit> fenn: how big does the picture seem in the myvu? does it seem like you're viewing a 60in t.v. from 10 feet away, etc.?
16:23 < ybit> kanzure: are you calling back biobasic today?
16:23 < kanzure> oh should i?
16:23 < kanzure> i left a message
16:23 < ybit> i think we've reached the point where they expect us to contact them
16:24 < kanzure> should i call ashlee?
16:25 < genehacker> so fenn's hacking a myvu?
16:25 < genehacker> someone already made a wearable out of one
16:25 < kanzure> hm i can't seem to get her on the phone number she gave
16:25 < ybit> yes, her and jennifer are over marketing/new partnerships
16:25 < ybit> you could just try calling their mainline
16:26 < ybit> but that's probably not the best way to go since they have so many of them
16:26 < kanzure> which ones?
16:26 < kanzure> blah got a machine
16:26 < ybit> they have customer service, marketing, and and two others i believe
16:26 < ybit> 1-(800) 313 7224, (905) 474 4493 
16:26 < ybit> ..or maybe that's another company
16:27 < ybit> anyway, that's their mainline
16:27 < kanzure> yeah this isn't working
16:27 < kanzure> i always get their mailbox no matter which option i pick
16:29 < ybit> try calling tomorrow 12pm cst
16:30 < genehacker> that seems like a good idea
16:36 < kanzure> ybit: ok i sent an email out
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17:03 < kanzure> zancas: i was wondering if we've met
17:19 < zancas> i dont think so
17:33 < kanzure> pyjamas looks pretty cool 
17:33 < kanzure> http://pyjs.org/examples/showcase/build/Showcase.html
17:33 < kanzure> but
17:34 < kanzure> it doesn't seem to have as many effects/animations as yui or jquery
17:34 < kanzure> http://pastebin.com/fb45e73b pyjamas + jquery, thanks lazyweb
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18:08 < ybit> my google search for undefined reference to `vtable for VintagePort'. resulted in my pastebin from september
18:09 < ybit> http://pastebin.com/f20d979b6
18:09 < ybit> that's the newest pastebin with the same or similar error
18:10 < kanzure> sounds like proof that you're going in circles
18:13 < ybit> maybe
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20:19 < katsmeow-afk> why is my gigabit nics and gigabit switch slower than the "nic" on the mobo and the 10/100 router?
20:45 < kanzure>   blah
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21:02 < genehacker> did you see the tesla coils kanzure?
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22:20 < kanzure> jennifer says the market price is $0.39/bp right now
22:23 < genehacker> so does google
22:24 < genehacker> seems to have gone up
22:24 < genehacker> wonder why
22:26 < kanzure> blah
22:26 < kanzure> yet again marcin ignores us
22:26 < kanzure> fuck this bullshit
22:32 < genehacker> keep bothering them
22:37 < kanzure> no
22:37 < kanzure> it's been more than a year now
22:37 < kanzure> fuck them
22:43 < genehacker> oh well
22:57 < kanzure> http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=OS_Fab_Lab_Proposal
22:57 < kanzure> there, i edited his page
23:12 < genehacker> that marcin
23:12 < genehacker> oh
23:14 < genehacker> anyway has treadwell finished his makerbot?
23:14 < genehacker> there's something I'd like to try
23:14 < kanzure> yep
23:14 < kanzure> but he is out of town until sunday :(
23:14 < genehacker> really?
23:14 < genehacker> dang
23:14 < genehacker> I'd like to buy him some PLA
23:19 < genehacker> PLA supposedly dissolves in NaOH
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23:19 < genehacker> this can be taken advantage of to do investment casting of metals
23:20 < jasonwohlfahrt> Hey, this is Jason. Just installed the chat for firefox, and I look forward to some awesome, mind-blowing conversation!
23:21 < genehacker> are you by any chance affiliated with the architecture school of UT?
23:22 < jasonwohlfahrt> No, I'm actually in the RTF department, but I also take classes in economics, comp sci, and business.
23:22 < genehacker> ok
23:22 < genehacker> the architecture department has a lasercutter...
23:23 < kanzure> hey jasonwohlfahrt 
23:23 < jasonwohlfahrt> Hey Bryan!
23:23 < kanzure> just got off the phone
23:23 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: did you see this? http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=OS_Fab_Lab_Proposal
23:24 < jasonwohlfahrt> Very cool. I'm very interested in this. Unfortunately, we didn't get a lot of time to discuss this at 3DS.
23:24 < kanzure> yep
23:24 < jasonwohlfahrt> But hey, there's always tomorrow
23:25 < kanzure> yeah
23:25 < kanzure> hey so if you show up tomorrow, just know that i have a thing from 4 to 6 or something
23:25 < kanzure> fenn should be around though
23:25 < kanzure> otherwise i should be hanging around
23:25 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool, I'll probably head over around 6
23:26 < kanzure> so can daniel make it on saturday?
23:26 < jasonwohlfahrt> I've been doing some research into life optimization software
23:26 < jasonwohlfahrt> should be able to
23:26 < kanzure> today i was talking with rene
23:26 < kanzure> and to my surprise he knew about supermemo
23:26 < kanzure> http://supermemo.com/
23:26 < kanzure> have you seen this?
23:27 < jasonwohlfahrt> nope
23:27 < kanzure> i used to do a lot of supermemo stuff. http://heybryan.org/todo.html
23:27 < kanzure> my server is way too slow
23:27 < jasonwohlfahrt> looks like a really cool site
23:27 < genehacker> argh, I'm trying to remember the free online social learning version of that
23:28 < genehacker> where you can learn stuff from other people's super memo type things
23:28 < jasonwohlfahrt> have you done much computation and permutation programming? probably a dumb question, just curious
23:28 < kanzure> there were a few web based versions but they suck
23:28 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: permutations like abc, abd, abe, abf, abg, .. ?
23:28 < jasonwohlfahrt> yeah
23:29 < kanzure> er i guess
23:29 < jasonwohlfahrt> I'm looking into permutation-related solutions
23:29 < genehacker> for?
23:30 < jasonwohlfahrt> maximizing efficiency in every aspect of life
23:30 < genehacker> every aspect?
23:31 < jasonwohlfahrt> there are some startling implications to what you can do with what i'd call "life optimization" software
23:31 < genehacker> now you might need a wearable computer to find those solutions for you on the go
23:31 < jasonwohlfahrt> we'd start small @genehacker
23:31 < jasonwohlfahrt> and then scale up
23:31 < genehacker> fortunately there's one out there called an iphone
23:31 < jasonwohlfahrt> haha, yep
23:32 < genehacker> describe how you would use these permutation based solutions
23:32 < jasonwohlfahrt> for a very simple case, I would use permutation to maximize the efficiency of a woman's purse
23:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> you can of course calculate efficiency across a wide spectrum
23:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> so maybe you could start with space
23:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> ie volume inside of a purse
23:34 < jasonwohlfahrt> I know some women who could use some help organizing their purse(s)
23:35 < genehacker> so how do you determine how to arrange everything in 3d space?
23:35 < kanzure> imran and i were talking in another window
23:35 < kanzure> sorry about that
23:35 < kanzure> well basically i guess you could optimize the way that things are put into the space
23:35 < jasonwohlfahrt> exactly
23:35 < kanzure> but the problem is that for these small problems you get deminishing returns
23:35 < kanzure> i mean, you can optimize the hell out of what goes into a backpack
23:35 < jasonwohlfahrt> yeah, you have to scale 
23:35 < kanzure> like a super tetris game or something
23:36 < kanzure> but to be honest, spending another 40 seconds on planning how to pack doesn't save you that much overall
23:36 < genehacker> oh boy, sounds like an NP complete problem
23:36 < jasonwohlfahrt> sorry, what's np?
23:37 < jasonwohlfahrt> im a bit ignorant when it comes to certain terms
23:37 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NP-complete
23:37 < genehacker> http://xkcd.com/287/
23:37 < jasonwohlfahrt> oh, i get it
23:37 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool!
23:38 < jasonwohlfahrt> ive been looking for a term to describe that concept
23:39 < jasonwohlfahrt> i've also been reading about singularity
23:39 < jasonwohlfahrt> really fascinating stuff
23:39 < genehacker> anyway, I think you'd have a harder time telling the computer the problem than you would when preforming random walk optimization
23:39 < jasonwohlfahrt> I have a way around this, but its difficult to explain succinctly
23:39 < genehacker> ie just randomely putting stuff in a purse until you get it the rightway
23:39 < genehacker> ok
23:40 < jasonwohlfahrt> one aspect of my solution involves user generated object databases
23:40 < genehacker> heh
23:40 < jasonwohlfahrt> basically, i want to design the programs so that all the user needs to do is push a button or run a program
23:41 < jasonwohlfahrt> and bam, she has her purse set up for going out to a night at the movies
23:41 < genehacker> sounds something like we'd want to do with skdb and what not
23:41 < jasonwohlfahrt> the program tells her to bring a box of kleenex for the tear jerker movie
23:42 < kanzure> oops, back
23:42 < kanzure> i hate people using different im mediums
23:42 < genehacker> how does it learn that?
23:42 < jasonwohlfahrt> otherwise she'll have to go to the movie theater bathroom, and people know how dirty those can get
23:42 < jasonwohlfahrt> that's a bit difficult to explain as well
23:42 < genehacker> and I hate the imperial system of measurements kanzure
23:42 < jasonwohlfahrt> i wish we were in person
23:42 < jasonwohlfahrt> so i could explain faster
23:43 < genehacker> can it be explained in words?
23:43 < jasonwohlfahrt> i'd have to think about how to translate my thoughts into words, but yes
23:43 < jasonwohlfahrt> maybe some day there will be a program that types out our thought onto a computer screen
23:44 < genehacker> are you thinking of using some sort of learning algorithm that compares what other people brought to the movie theater to figure that out?
23:44 < jasonwohlfahrt> you could do that, or you could have the app set up so that it picks out certain items that might be useful for a certain scenario
23:45 < genehacker> how does it know which items might be useful for which scenario?
23:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> if it was an iphone app, it would have to be very visual and simple
23:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> the programmer decides
23:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> so this instance isn't one where an app has a chance to learn
23:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> but that sounds like a great idea
23:46 < genehacker> so the programmer programs out every possible scenario and the items that would be useful for said scenario?
23:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> you could import amazon.com's model of comparison
23:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> there would only be a few simple scenarios in this case
23:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> and maybe the user would have the option of creating custom scenarios
23:47 < jasonwohlfahrt> to fill in all of the inevitable gaps
23:47 < jasonwohlfahrt> if you're going camping, you'd might want to bring a flash light or a lighter
23:48 < genehacker> and a tent and a sleeping bag
23:48 < jasonwohlfahrt> haha
23:48 < kanzure> "computer please download me all camping gear"
23:48 < kanzure> and then it shows up at your door if you don't have it
23:48 < jasonwohlfahrt> haha
23:48 < jasonwohlfahrt> nice
23:48 < kanzure> or it tells you how to assemble it from what you have
23:48 < jasonwohlfahrt> totally
23:48 < jasonwohlfahrt> so thats how your fab program inspired my thinking in this area
23:48 < kanzure> this is how linux works with software. "i want a drawing app" and then it downloads the user interface, the drawing backend, the file format parsers, etc.
23:49 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool
23:49 < jasonwohlfahrt> sounds like we have plenty to talk about tomorrow
23:49 < genehacker> did kanzure tell you about some of the automatic design stuff?
23:49 < jasonwohlfahrt> no, please do tell
23:50 < jasonwohlfahrt> or is this his fab prog your referring to?
23:50 < jasonwohlfahrt> he showed me that this weekend actually
23:50 < kanzure> it's certainly related. what did you have in mind genehacker?
23:50 < jasonwohlfahrt> with legos and such
23:50 < genehacker> the campbell stuff
23:50 < kanzure> campbell stuff. okie dokie
23:50 < kanzure> http://graphsynth.com/
23:51 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/wiki/
23:51 < kanzure> er bad link. http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/
23:51 < genehacker> btw did you guys ever get that 3d automatic design stuff working?
23:51 < kanzure> so i work with matt in the automated design lab in the mechanical engineering building on occassion
23:51 < kanzure> huh? what? you mean legos?
23:51 < kanzure> and the way that matt does things is by generating these huge massive trees of possible mechanial designs
23:51 < kanzure> *mechanical
23:51 < kanzure> and then we can select the ones that perform the best in certain problem domains
23:51 < kanzure> or are the more interesting solutions
23:52 < genehacker> no the other thing with a bunch of different components that could be put togethehr
23:52 < kanzure> skdb?
23:52 < jasonwohlfahrt> i think i was referring to your program you were showing me sunday
23:52 < kanzure> yeah
23:52 < kanzure> that program was the front-end to skdb
23:52 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb
23:52 < jasonwohlfahrt> oh, ok
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23:52 < kanzure> i don't know what genehacker is talking about in particular
23:52 < genehacker> IE, gears, transformers, shafts, motors, levers
23:52 < kanzure> he's not being very precise :)
23:53 < genehacker> stuff like that
23:53 < kanzure> yeah what about them though
23:53 < kanzure> the huge graphs?
23:53 < genehacker> nevermind
23:53 < kanzure> haha
23:53 < jasonwohlfahrt> i like the graphic for skbd
23:53 < genehacker> no the program that turned the graphs into 3d cad models
23:53 < kanzure> thanks. we totally stole that
23:53 < kanzure> there wasn't one that does that, genehacker
23:54 < genehacker> ok
23:54 < kanzure> i mean, i'm working on it, but it doesn't quite work yet
23:54 < jasonwohlfahrt> is there a reverse engineering lab at UT?
23:54 < genehacker> yeah
23:54 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool
23:54 < kanzure> right now you can say "this connects to that" and then give it cad models
23:54 < genehacker> that'd be the ETC building right now
23:54 < jasonwohlfahrt> i want to check it out
23:54 < kanzure> to be honest it's not as cool as you might think it is
23:54 < jasonwohlfahrt> :(
23:54 < kanzure> the reverse engineering work that i've done has been pretty lame
23:55 < jasonwohlfahrt> hmm
23:55 < kanzure> "ok now write down the dimensions. you're done"
23:55 < jasonwohlfahrt> thats lame
23:55 < genehacker> you can visit it right now and see lots of mechanical engineers reverse engineering away at a project that is due tomorrow
23:55 < jasonwohlfahrt> I'll have to see that in action some time
23:56 < jasonwohlfahrt> in the mean time, i'd like to reverse engineer a human being
23:56 < kanzure> hah
23:56 < kanzure> hey check these out:
23:56 < kanzure> http://diybio.org/
23:56 < kanzure> http://igem.org/
23:56 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/
23:56 < kanzure> http://humanityplus.org/
23:57 < kanzure> i'm probably forgetting a ton, but that wouldn't be a bad start to reverse engineering humans
23:57 < kanzure> of course, humans weren't engineered in the first place
23:57 < jasonwohlfahrt> haha, yeah
23:57 < jasonwohlfahrt> unless you believe in the theory of space monkey
23:57 < kanzure> what is the theory of the space ape?
23:58 < jasonwohlfahrt> basically, space money created you 5 minutes ago, and he created you with all of the memories you think you had prior to the point of creation
23:58 < kanzure> sounds like a simulation argument too
23:58 < jasonwohlfahrt> its an argument used to illustrate the absurdity that is intelligent design
23:58 < genehacker> heh
23:59 < jasonwohlfahrt> learned about it in pseudoscience class
23:59 < genehacker> I'm guess you saw the goons on campus today, didn't you?
23:59 < kanzure> hey so who was it suggesting an exploratorium yesterday?
23:59 < kanzure> was that in here?
23:59 < jasonwohlfahrt> yall should take it while at ut
23:59 < genehacker> Tim
23:59 < kanzure> silverman? ah right
23:59 < genehacker> yup
23:59 < kanzure> and that was before trey showed up