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00:00 < genehacker> anyway you have heard the term gargoyle haven't you?
00:00 < fenn> please shut up
00:00 < genehacker> ok
00:01 < katsmeow-afk>  might be able to use the batteries to shield your brain from the microwave transmitters
00:01 < fenn> katsmeow-afk: it was a joke, people walk around with bluetooth headsets all day
00:02 < katsmeow-afk> <cop> i don't care, it's illegal to use a projector to show videos on the back of 18-weelers while driving down the interstate
00:02 < fenn> it is?
00:02 < genehacker> how did you find that out?
00:02 < katsmeow-afk> i am not sure there is such alaw, except as "distracting other drivers"
00:02 < fenn> what if you have a permit for public performance? :P
00:03 < genehacker> have you or anyone you know done such a thing?
00:03 < katsmeow-afk> they use "distracting..." as reason to ticket for blinking lites to warn of speed traps
00:03 < fenn> we used to project porn onto the university library
00:03 < fenn> 50 foot boobies
00:03 < kanzure> so i can get trees from dulwich but i'm not sure how to figure out what directory that tree corresponds to..
00:04 < genehacker> which university?
00:04 < fenn> indiana university
00:04 < genehacker> hmmm...
00:04 < fenn> number one party school!
00:04 < genehacker> projectors are ubiquitous nowadays
00:04 < fenn> wooooooooooooooooo!!!!!11
00:05 < genehacker> the library here has lots of flat surface area
00:05 < kanzure> sorry fenn, your 1's just don't feel genuine
00:05 < genehacker> perhaps we can project mind control movies on it
00:05 < fenn> the iu library is this gigantic limestone cube with no windows
00:05 < fenn> like 12 stories tall
00:05 < fenn> (and no lights on the side facing the dorm)
00:06 < genehacker> sounds like it was asking for it
00:06 < genehacker> the library here looks vaguely like texas if you fly over it
00:07 < genehacker> vaguely, because the architects decided to change plans midway through the build
00:07 < fenn> the large teaching building @ iu is shaped like a toothbrush, because a former school of dentistry alumn donated the money for it
00:07 < fenn> or so they say..
00:08 < kanzure> maybe it's because they want you to stay clean
00:12 < ybit> 00:05 < kanzure> sorry fenn, your 1's just don't feel genuine
00:12 < ybit> :P
00:12  * ybit needs to automate
00:17 < ybit> http://www.forbes.com/2009/10/31/brain-psychology-behavior-technology-breakthroughs-sleep-deprivation.html?feed=rss_popstories
00:17 < ybit> "how sleep deprivation fries your brain"
00:17 < ybit> and on that note, gn
00:19 < genehacker> they found a workaround for that in mice
00:19 < genehacker> an enzyme that reverses mental degradation
00:20 < katsmeow-afk> i wish they'd quit making mice smarter and make humans smart instead :-/
00:20 < genehacker> the first step is getting it to work in mice
00:20 < fenn> don't be ungrateful; we wouldn't have those NIMH batteries without the supermice
00:21 < genehacker> huh?
00:21 < katsmeow-afk> "that the primary species on Earth began devoting all their time to making smarter mice, which is why it's such a happy mouse planet now"
00:21 < genehacker> oh
00:21 < genehacker> I get it
00:21 < genehacker> the next couple steps involve monkeys and the FDA
00:21 < genehacker> which can take a while
00:22 < katsmeow-afk> the FDA is already run by monkeys
00:22 < fenn> the FDA will never allow human enhancement technologies
00:22 < genehacker> they allowed cosmetic surgery?
00:22 < fenn> surgery isn't under their jurisdiction?
00:22 < genehacker> it isn
00:23 < genehacker> damn, I guess we'll never get OTC adderal and nootropics
00:24 < fenn> huh. "stem cell breast augmentation receives FDA approval"
00:25 < katsmeow-afk> i can just picture that being slipped into bar drinks all over the world
00:25 < fenn> i can just picture that backfiring horribly
00:25 < genehacker> to make drunks smarter?
00:26 < katsmeow-afk> no, bigger boobs on them
00:26 < fenn> brain boobs?
00:26 < kanzure> YES
00:26 < fenn> i've created a monster!
00:27 < genehacker> kanzure you and your attempts to make taq polymerase by horrendously unconventional methods...
00:27 < kanzure> taq titties?
00:27 < fenn> i sense an hplus seminar topic..
00:28 < genehacker> yeah, those
00:29 < kanzure> none of these python/git libraries make any sense
00:48 < kanzure> not terrible: http://www.last.fm/music/Vixro/_/Safari+Vol.+3+CD2+(Desert+Oasis)
01:04 < Phreedom> ybit: you barely have cli working for like months ;)
01:04 < kanzure> aha: http://vixro.net/files/safari/201-vixro-safari_vol_3_cd2__desert_oasis.mp3
01:25 < kanzure> dulwich seems to only have Blobs and Trees
01:26 < kanzure> maybe i have to literally switch the branch via dulwich.objects.Repo
01:27 < kanzure> ah, repo.refs["HEAD"] = 'ref: refs/head/master'
01:27 < kanzure> oops, s/head/heads/
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01:37 < genehacker> yeah that isn't terrible
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09:18 < kanzure> here's the track in particular: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZknuCPa0vWU
09:18 < kanzure> anyway, just liked it when i heard it
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10:05 < genehacker> interesting
10:06 < genehacker> apparently there's software for semiautomatically selecting materials with respect to properties
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10:10 < kanzure> yeah there's lots of proprietary data sets
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11:53 < kanzure> in branch master you have this file: some/branch/name/here/blah.txt
11:53 < kanzure> in branch some/branch/name/here you have this file: blah.txt
11:53 < kanzure> so which one does github.com/kanzure/screw/some/branch/name/here/blah.txt refer to?
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12:07 < kanzure> hey Juul 
12:08 < Juul> hey
12:13 < xp_prg> kanzure is biostream going to be opensource/free?
12:23 < kanzure> i'm not working on biostream. it doesn't look like it
12:23 < kanzure> skdb does the same thing (and aims to do it better IMHO) and skdb is already free and open source
12:25 < xp_prg> nice
12:43 < kanzure> hm one other solution is that you must always specify the branch name in the ur
12:43 < kanzure> *url
12:44 < kanzure> and as a last resort it tries to find your file in branch "master", but if it thinks you already gave it a branch, then too bad
13:02 < CIA-33> skdb: kanzure * r 43ac593 / (4 files in 2 dirs): do not allow a period ('.') in package names
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13:42 < xp_prg> how do you spell precapis of a cliff?
13:52 < xp_prg> I hate DNA orgagme 
13:52 < xp_prg> origagme
13:53 < kanzure> origami?
13:53 < xp_prg> ya
14:27 < kanzure> http://www.capmetro.org/gismaps/maps/5.html
14:27 < kanzure> er
14:27 < kanzure> http://www.fabbaloo.com/2009/11/stl-to-be-replaced.html
14:28 < kanzure> http://www.fabbaloo.com/2009/11/replacing-stl.html
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15:04 < ybit> fenn, kanzure: argh, this is the fourth week since i've been paid last.. supposedly i get paid in a couple of days, which means it should be doubled, we'll see.. but.. this means i won't get around to purchasing the rooms until around thursday. i'll send an email out to you two and marcin just to see if you want to purchase the rooms before then just in case the prices get jacked higher
15:19 < kanzure> you're the only one here with a job
15:20 < fenn> why do you think the price will go up?
15:20 < ybit> because it already has
15:21 < ybit> i have a little over 3 hours worth of ksrm in mp3 format if anyone wants it
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15:21 < ybit> i'll just go ahead and make a dedicated directory to tts audio books on my server
15:22 < kanzure> now that i think about it, google docs is a pretty smart move by google
15:23 < kanzure> lots of people only use windows forthe microsoft office suite. soffice/oo.o isn't on anyone's radars either
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16:04 < fenn> one thing the t-slot brings up is a problem i had considered before.. not all interfaces are points, they can be lines too
16:05 < fenn> we dont have a way to define a line interface yet
16:12 < ybit> re:xmas presents, early ones: (1) have fabhow.com up and running (2) pythonocc and skdb .deb (3) gene bay ftw! have at least ten business partnering with us... (4) finally visiting the west coast.. JIT presents: (1) diy-h+ research paper and book archive (2) an onslaught of newsgroups signups and email sorting which means.. (4) i really need to work out whatever problem it was which made me push aside the emacs setup sasha described + other scripts (5)
16:58 < ybit> what's the point of the empty file web/images/index.html?
17:00 < ybit> i'm going to guess they are placeholders so code doesn't break somewhere
17:06 < ybit> "Suspected US drone attack kills eight in Pakistan"
17:06 < ybit> guess I should get used to seeing these headlines :\
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17:42 < fenn> suspected, can't they just ask?
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19:46 < kanzure> ybit: when are you getting into austin? the hour
19:47 < kanzure> fenn: "excuse me sir, are you dead?"
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19:52 < kanzure> hello tim_ 
19:52 < kanzure> fenn: i thought replab@googlegroups.com wasn't supposed to be for talk
19:52 < tim_> hey kanzure
19:53 < tim_> I'm working on building stronger / better / faster / more japanese RepRaps tonight.
19:53 < xp_prg> tim_ how much are the raw materials?
19:55 < kanzure> xp_prg: why not ask #reprap
19:55 < kanzure> don't waste tim_'s time
19:55 < tim_> xp_prg: depends on the design you're basing your work on, and how much work you're able to do yourself.  A makerbot costs ~$750, so that's a reasonable top-end.  It can be done for nearly $0 if you have enough of the right sort of junk and tools.
19:57 < tim_> kanzure: I'm touched that you think my time is valuable enough to conserve.  :P
20:00 < ybit> kanzure: Thu Dec 10  	# 2749  	Depart NASHVILLE TN (BNA) at 8:25 AM
20:00 < ybit> Arrive in AUSTIN TX (AUS) at 10:50 AM 
20:02 < kanzure> dec 10?
20:03 < ybit> o.O
20:03 < kanzure> might want to get that checked out
20:04 < ybit> yeah, it should be the 3rd
20:04 < xp_prg> kanzure want to hear what I heard?
20:33 < ybit> damn, it's going to be an extra $99 -_-
20:35 < ybit> anyway, it will be the same time
20:35 < ybit> xp_prg: he probably doesn't, but go on
21:03 < xp_prg> you can do microfluidic etching on a dvd with the dvd laser!
21:07 < ybit> drazak: care to explain this issue which we've discussed once before?
21:07 < drazak> what?
21:07 < drazak> huh?
21:07 < drazak> oh
21:07 < drazak> right
21:07 < drazak> xp_prg: DVD's and CD's that are writable work by dye
21:07  * ybit drum rolls
21:07 < drazak> xp_prg: there's no actual groove made
21:07 < ybit> tada!
21:08 < drazak> xp_prg: the laser changes the color of a dye, that another reads and it think it's a groove
21:08 < drazak> man
21:08 < drazak> does nobody read what I say?
21:09 < drazak> I post on diybio about this same thing
21:09 < drazak> also people don't understand how it works
21:09 < drazak> lightscribe comes in color
21:09 < drazak> IT"S A DYE
21:09 < drazak> ITS NOT AN ETCH
21:09 < drazak> DOES ANYONE KNOW HOW TO USE GOOGLE OR DO THEY JUST SAY WHATEVER COMES TO MIND
21:10 < drazak> also the diybio thread about it is rediculous
21:11 < drazak> they completely ignored what I said, apparently they think I'm wrong even though I've done research on it
21:12 < drazak> xp_prg: if you have any more questions you can ask my answering service, it's called google
21:24 < ybit> kanzure: i noticed you were working with git yesterday, are you messing with it today? because i don't want to do the same crap you're doing and waste my time
21:37 < tim_> the assortment of various size nuts, bolts, washers and bearings one collects merely by working on RepRaps is astounding.
21:38 < kanzure> ybit: i'm adding in dulwich into web.py
22:13 < ybit> tim_: you plan on selling some components from your reprap, is there anything that needs to be done to the design before it being shipped, are there fragments that needed to be chipped off, etc.?
22:13 < ybit> i noticed in some videos that the parts looked like that needed a good scraping or brushing before being presented
22:14 < ybit> i'm going to assume that i'm right
22:14 < tim_> talking about printed parts here - yes, generally holes need a drill bit of appropriate size run through them (by hand works fine), and occasionally sides need to be sanded or cleaned up with a box cutter.
22:15 < tim_> that's about it
22:16 < tim_> Both steps could be left as optional (for the recipient to complete)...  nothing challenging about it.  The only hiccup I could see is the need for a few different size drill bits.
22:18 < ybit> i'm just thinking about how you can automate the entire process from order to shipping of reprap parts
22:19 < ybit> the conveyor belt on the y-axis coupled with a robot hand such as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeY_KkZRlDc sounds nice, but how practical, and if it's not practical then what can we do to fix this..
22:19 < ybit> for drilling holes though, that robot hand would be worthless
22:20 < kanzure> http://mangafox.com/ hm
22:21 < ybit> you don't need someone there to inspect the part before it's packaged, take pictures on all sides
22:23 < tim_> ybit: it takes so long to print a part that handling time doesn't amount to much.  One of mendel's corner brackets takes ~2.5 hours to print.
22:28 < ybit> yeah, but this is also why 5-10 repraps in the lab for part orders would be nice.. and you automate so you can do other stuff, and you're right it's nothing, but if you have, say three hundred to a thousand orders of a certain part, it start to amount to a lot of your time ..i haven't looked into it but i'm not aware of a any diy robot hands that can hold much weight
22:29 < ybit> e.g. i'm looking at the make magazine robot arm and it can only handle 100 grams
22:29 < tim_> right.  I'm working toward that 5 - 10 repraps number for our hackerspace in Holland, MI.
22:31 < tim_> Right now I'm less concerned with the amount of time it takes me to finish a part, and more concerned with my extruder MTBF.  My first one lasted ~ 14 hours.
22:31 < tim_> with 10 of them, I'd be doing nothing but fixing extruders.
22:33 < tim_> I'm building an experimental extruder from all-steel parts (mostly gridbeam).  Still a pinchwheel, so I can apply much of what I've learned.
22:33 < tim_> Also doing much experimentation with the heater component.
22:35 < ybit> i think make magazine has done their homework this year and realizing people want lab equipment: http://blog.makezine.com/archive/gift_guides/
22:39 < tim_> screw lab equipment, I want a waterjet
22:40 < ybit> yeah, forget the service, i want that machine
22:43 < ybit> http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/16/how-to-design-a-robotic-hand-a-vector-art-cnc-tutorial/
22:43 < ybit> with downloads
22:43 < tim_> Used to work at a place that had one.  Was nice.  Until the water basin got full of aggregate, then you have to jump in and shovel it out.  Still...  I want one.
22:43 < ybit> http://www.engadget.com/videos/how-to/robot_hand.dxf    http://www.engadget.com/videos/how-to/robot_hand.dwg      http://www.engadget.com/videos/how-to/robot_hand.eps
22:44 < tim_> http://www.repocast.com/details.cfm?ID=4069
22:45 < tim_> That's about a 5min drive away from me.
22:45 < tim_> thinking about bidding on it...  but have no idea what I'd use it for.
22:48 < ybit> wow, $10 
22:48 < ybit> i'll but it for that
22:48 < ybit> would they really let me have it for a little more than $10 though
22:49 < tim_> I suspect it will go or more.
22:49 < tim_> or = for
22:49 < ybit> heh, always does on sites like this
22:50 < ybit> i want my robot to hand to handle the weight this arm can handle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym5SzKC03zw&feature=player_embedded "hand of man at makerfaire"
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22:51 < tim_> well...  this _is_ michigan we're talking about.  bankrupt auto manufacturers and record unemployment @ ~ 20%.  Buying tools for scrap price is the norm these days.
22:57 < ybit> s/arm/hand i will definitely keep an eye on that hand.. you could reverse engineer it if you need to, but it would be nice to build it from the ground up with open standards
22:57 < ybit> grr, s/hand/arm|limb|robothingy
22:58 < tim_> tentacle discriminator
23:02 < tim_> I am so happy bluetooth headphones have finally started to work out of the box on Ubuntu / Fedora.
23:19 < genehacker> tentacle discriminator
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23:30 < kanzure> oh wonderful
23:30 < kanzure> cherrypy converts "." into "_" 
23:30 < kanzure> ok so _ and / are invalid characters in branch names, from now on
23:30 < kanzure> :/
23:31 < kanzure> er sorry
23:31 < kanzure> "." and "/" are invalid
23:31 < kanzure> and "." is invalid in package names
23:31 < kanzure> ("/" was already invalid in package names)
23:31 < kanzure> this doesn't actually solve the problem. uhrm..
23:32 < kanzure> ok, semicolon. i'll use a semicolon
23:32 < kanzure> or maybe a colon?
23:35 < tim_> genehacker: masterfully played.
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23:51 < kanzure> so, one branch per anonymous edit?
23:52 < kanzure> with a lot of anons this will make for a ton of branches
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23:53 < genehacker> ??
23:53 < genehacker> what's a tentacle discriminator?
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