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00:03 < ybit> genehacker: a joke
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00:05 < genehacker> ok
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00:23 < CIA-33> skdb: kanzure * r b402265 /web/web.py: committing before i shoot myself in the foot
00:23 < ybit> thank you
00:23 < kanzure> i guess you want to be looking around line 334
00:23 < genehacker> what does web.py do?
00:24 < kanzure> genehacker: my version of thingiverse
00:26 < genehacker> specifically what does it do?
00:26 < kanzure> it's the website
00:26 < genehacker> allow for contribution of stuff to skdb, allow for display of files, allow for editing and such?
00:26 < kanzure> when you go to thingiverse.com, little gnomes and elves are not manually serving you the pages
00:26 < kanzure> yes
00:26 < genehacker> ok
00:26 < genehacker> sounds like progress
00:27 < genehacker> how is it better than thingiverse?
00:27 < kanzure> no stl
00:27 < kanzure> revision control
00:27 < ybit> and package management
00:27 < genehacker> heh
00:27 < kanzure> dependency management
00:27 < kanzure> anonymous edits
00:27 < kanzure> totally open source
00:27 < genehacker> git 3d?
00:28 < kanzure> 3d? what?
00:28 < ybit> and we replaced gnomes and elves with engininjas
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00:28 < kanzure> ybit: i thought they were ninjaneers?
00:28 < kanzure> or ninjanears
00:29 < genehacker> argh let me find the link to that makers book that cory doctrow wrote
00:29 < ybit> names don't matter, all you should know is that they are automated macgyvers that kick arse
00:30 < kanzure> robomacgyver meets doctor who and gets lost in the translation of awesome
00:30 < genehacker> “We have a published protocol for describing changes to the ride—it’s built on Git3D’s system for marking up and syncing three-dee models of objects; it’s what we used all through the Kodacell days for collaboration. The way you get a ride online is to sync up with our version-server and then instantiate a copy. Then any changes you make get synced back and we instantiate them. Everyone stays in sync, give or take a cou
00:30 < ybit> sounds like a love story
00:30 < genehacker> http://craphound.com/makers/Cory_Doctorow_-_Makers.html
00:31 < genehacker> haven't read the whole thing
00:31 < genehacker> only skimmed the interesting parts
00:31 < kanzure> genehacker: they probably just commited step and iges models like we've been doing for the past year
00:31 < kanzure> it's totally not worth calling it "git3d"
00:31 < genehacker> ok
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00:31 < kanzure> hey jasonwohlfahrt 
00:32 < jasonwohlfahrt> hey there, how's it going?
00:32 < kanzure> just doing some midnight coding
00:32 < kanzure> was reading through: http://samba.org/~jelmer/dulwich/tutorial/
00:32 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool. I really like that god helmet idea you sent me!
00:32 < kanzure> yeah that's one of the projects in here that nobody has got around to finishing
00:32 < kanzure> an open source repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation rig
00:32 < genehacker> supposedly you can buy them...
00:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> that sounds awesome
00:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> I've got another person to bring along to our next meetup
00:33 < ybit> maybe it's harsh, but i'm not dealing with email for a couple of days until there is some satisfactory progess on web.py
00:33 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: there's lots of papers here: http://adl.serveftp.org/papers/open-rtms/
00:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> interesting, i'll have to skim over them
00:34 < ybit> as long as you remember what you skimmed...
00:35 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: yeah if you're serious about it, keep a spreadsheet with a list of the files you've read
00:35 < ybit> when skimming, i tend to forget to easily
00:35 < kanzure> even if it's just a link or filename or something
00:35 < kanzure> er, not a spreadsheet. text files work too
00:36 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool, will do
00:36 < ybit> i have a list of papers and books to read myself in my ever-growing todo list
00:36 < jasonwohlfahrt> you know anybody who's tried one of these god helmets
00:36 < ybit> i'm guessing we are talking about rTMS?
00:37 < ybit> i'm going to say yes, and no i don't, anyone else though?
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00:37 < ybit> ^ the product of a god helment, poor fella
00:37 < jasonwohlfahrt> hah
00:37 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: i met http://edboyden.org/ up in new york. i'm pretty sure he's either tried one or had his students try one
00:38 < kanzure> he's awesome in person :)
00:38 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool, i just read the Wikipedia article on the technology
00:38 < jasonwohlfahrt> can't wait to go to one of these really cool-sounding conferences at some point in the future
00:39 < jasonwohlfahrt> I really want to make it out to a Seasteading event
00:39 < kanzure> the presentations are sometimes lame, but you go for the people
00:39 < jasonwohlfahrt> totally
00:39 < kanzure> there's one coming up in january
00:39 < jasonwohlfahrt> which one?
00:39 < kanzure> one sec
00:40 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/f753ea0e4685dc9d
00:40 < ybit> i'm still trying to figure out if peter thiel and bunch are right for me 
00:40 < kanzure> ybit: the answer is no
00:41 < ybit> how do you figure, what have you read or listened to ?
00:41 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: so the outlaw biology conference isn't really wired into the transhumanism community, but they ride similar wavelengths
00:41 < kanzure> ybit: i guess i mean by the people he surrounds himself with
00:41 < jasonwohlfahrt> sounds cool
00:41 < kanzure> eliezer, bruce, robin, etc.
00:42 < kanzure> i'm surprised that ben goertzel is able to hang with them actually
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00:43 < jasonwohlfahrt> So many interesting people to meet
00:43 < ybit> or just email
00:43 < jasonwohlfahrt> yeah
00:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> hey bryan, I'll be out of town to till Friday afternoon (Saturday morning at the latest), but we should definitely meet up again this weekend
00:45 < kanzure> okay
00:45 < ybit> jasonwohlfahrt: you should add heath matlock to that list, he's probably the coolest diy transhmanist i've met, and he knows the answer to life, the universe, and everything
00:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> was a really cool event on saturday
00:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> nice
00:45 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: don't listen to ybit, he's heath's bitch
00:45 < jasonwohlfahrt> haha
00:46 < kanzure> they're one in the same
00:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> have i met you in person, ybit?
00:46 < ybit> doubt it
00:46 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: ybit will be in town on december 3rd
00:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool
00:46 < kanzure> in fact, we need a car
00:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> you still debating on attending the transhumanist feast?
00:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> oh, and i'd be happy to do transportation
00:46 < kanzure> no, they called it off since nobody was going to attend
00:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> to whatever
00:46 < jasonwohlfahrt> hmmm
00:47 < katsmeow-afk> ybit: Sea-Steading ; Jerome FitzGerald ; isbn 0-595-38758-6 ; an in-your-face 288 pages on philosophy ethics and the assholes that are around us putting up roadblocks to everything
00:47 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: i was going to take the bus to pick heath up from the airport, but a car would be way more awesome
00:47 < jasonwohlfahrt> yeah, I'll probably be available that day, just remind me when the date comes close
00:47 < kanzure> the next day we fly up to california, so if you want to hang out on the 3rd with us that's cool
00:47 < kanzure> cool, will do
00:51 < ybit> btw, kanzure i'll just pick up my hdd drive when i'm there, save you shipping, and fenn and you can fight over the $10
00:51 < kanzure> we bought chocolate
00:52 < ybit> hehe, always thinking ahead
00:52 < kanzure> jasonwohlfahrt: http://adl.serveftp.org/skdb/web/web.py is what i've been hacking on tonight
00:52 < ybit> ..or just think about food
00:52 < ybit> i'll go with the latter
00:53 < ybit> strages: you do IT for NASA, no? hax0r the database and upload to skdb please :)
00:54 < kanzure> i'm sure their data sucks just as much as everyone else's
00:54 < genehacker> but hopefully a bit less
00:54 < jasonwohlfahrt> cool stuff 
00:54 < genehacker> because their nassa
00:54 < genehacker> *NASA
00:54 < ybit> maybe they have access to this national step cad file repo that we don't have access to
00:54 < jasonwohlfahrt> gonna catch some sleep, but I'm gonna keep this window open from now on
00:55 < ybit> gn jasonwohlfahrt, catch you later
00:55 < jasonwohlfahrt> night, later everyone
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00:56 < kanzure_> adl just crashed?
00:56 < kanzure_> what did you guys do to it
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01:00 < ybit> how much time am i look at wasting for reading AUTOPASS: An Automatic Programming System for
01:00 < ybit> Computer Controlled Mechanical Assembly
01:01 < kanzure_> probably a lot
01:01 < ybit> i'll hold off since it says nothing about making a git based wiki
01:01 < kanzure_> ybit: i need you to figure out what i do with a new commit. is the parent SHA the latest tree SHA or the latest blob SHA?
01:02 < genehacker> so what is that autopass stuff about?
01:03 < genehacker> and why is it a waste of time?
01:03 < kanzure_> it's a paper fenn was reading a few months ago i think
01:05 < kanzure_> i think i might have read that.. or maybe not.
01:05 < kanzure_> jasonwohlfahrt: this is why you should keep a list
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01:26 < kanzure_> whee: http://www.last.fm/music/Matthew+Dear/_/Takes+on+You
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01:43 < kanzure_> hey Juul 
01:43 < Juul> hello hello. morning in denmarkland
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12:34 < kanzure> repo.get_object(dulwich.object_store.tree_lookup_path(repo.get_object, repo.get_object(repo.head()).tree, "readme.txt")[2])
12:34 < kanzure> lotta work for a lotta little
12:42 < kanzure> stalk: Jeremiah Petit
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12:48 < kanzure> hey jasonwohlfahrt 
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13:37 < fenn> wow this is great, someone else aggregating recipes for once http://open3dp.me.washington.edu/?cat=3
13:41 < fenn> their "manifesto" is pretty weaksauce though
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14:09 < fenn> every time i get an email from vitaly mankevich i think 'vitaly chernobyl'
14:09 < kanzure> every time i get an email from vitaly i think his name is vitaliy
14:13 < fenn> named after José Antonio Menchaca
14:14 < fenn>  It is named for the nearby Manchaca Springs, where Jose Antonio Menchaca ( pronounced Men-cha-ca) once camped. 
14:15 < fenn> fucking ignorant texans
14:15 < kanzure> according to Manchaca, Texas it's "man-check"
14:15 < kanzure> Austin pronunciation guide http://texaswatertowers.com/kayandlyn/pronunciation.htm
14:15 < kanzure> "MAN-shack"
14:16 < fenn> yeah, they're the fucking ignorant texans i'm talking about
14:16 < kanzure> "going to" -> "fixin' to"
14:16 < kanzure> hah
14:52 < kanzure> shouldn't config.yaml be under .gitignore in skdb.git?
15:09 < kanzure> "I won't get out of bed for less than £10,000 a day"
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15:14 < fenn> i support your high standard of excellence and motivation
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15:20 < xp_prg> how come a dvd laser cannot be used to do micro fluidic etching on a dvd?
15:29 < nsh> because the laser only changes the colour of a dye
15:29 < nsh> (according to) http://osdir.com/ml/diybio/2009-11/msg00248.html
15:34 < nsh> i wonder if you could formulate a light-activated etchant
15:34 < tim_> xp_prg: in other words, "writable" CDs and DVDs are never etched.  Only 'darkened' by the laser.  Like paper that's charred, but not burnt through.
15:34 < kanzure> gee like photolithography nsh?
15:35 < nsh> yah but cheap
15:35 < kanzure> :)
15:35  * nsh smiles
15:35 < kanzure> how expensive are the echants anyway? i haven't looked up prices
15:35 < kanzure> piranha, for instance
15:37 < nsh> not sure
15:37 < kanzure> oops that's a cleaning agent
15:37 < kanzure> silicon nitride, silicon oxide, KOH, etc.
15:37 < kanzure> # `See also the two papers 'Etch Rates for Micromachining Processing' Part I and II in Journal of Microelectromechanical Systems by Kirt R. Wiliams et al.`
15:37 < kanzure> for a list of etch rates: http://www.eng.utah.edu/~gale/mems/etch%20rates.pdf
15:37 < kanzure> but that doesn't list cost
15:40 < kanzure> looks like you can etch PSG just by looking at it weird :)
15:40 < nsh> heh
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15:48 < nsh> question: how do you pronounce tuple?
15:48 < kanzure> two-pull?
15:48 < nsh> ah, good
15:48 < kanzure> tuhp uhl?
15:49 < nsh> current lecturer pronounces it as in "tuesday"
15:49 < nsh> and i'm just checking around to make sure that not everyone in the world will be doing that
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15:49 < kanzure> programmers are not meant to speak with each other anyway
15:50 < nsh> true.
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15:56 < kanzure> http://www.luthi.eu/blog/2008/06/git-for-debian-packaging
16:00 < fenn> you know a dvd burner is practically a spin coater already
16:00 < fenn> i am waiting for blu-ray to become cheap, so we can use blue light activated resin
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16:36 < genehacker> blue light activated resin damn
16:36 < genehacker> I didn't even think of that
16:37 < genehacker> blu-ray isn't cheap but HD-DVD is...
16:38 < genehacker> using a DVD burner as a spin coater sounds like a messy proposition
16:38 < kanzure> fenn: net will be slow for a few moments
16:38 < fenn> gotta make the mess somewhere
16:39 < genehacker> usually you do it in a spin coater that closes up
16:39 < fenn> dvd drives close
16:39 < fenn> also you could use the setup for dna synthesis
16:40 < genehacker> so you'd spin coat a CD?
16:40 < fenn> some disk shaped substrate
16:40 < genehacker> silicon shaped like a CD?
16:40 < fenn> who said anything about silicon
16:41 < genehacker> what would you be spin coating and why?
16:41 < genehacker> what material would you be spin coating
16:42 < fenn> whatever cd's are made from, probably
16:42 < fenn> microfluidics was the initial conversation topic
16:42 < tim_> meh.  why wreck the DVD drive using it to spin coat?  A $2 12v hobby motor (or one salvaged from almost any household gadget) will spin a CD just fine.  Enclose it in a cardboard box. 
16:42 < fenn> i could see lots of uses for an automated pattern depositor thingy
16:43 < fenn> tim_: the dvd drive already has fine control over speed up to the cd's breaking speed practically
16:43 < fenn> and it has a laser that focuses on the surface, position control to 1 micron, et etc
16:43 < tim_> fenn: that laser isn't going to be useful long if you're flinging goop around with the same drive.
16:44 < fenn> yeah i havent really figured that out.. maybe some kidn of 'eyelid'
16:44 < tim_> fling the goop with a cheap motor, then place the disc in the drive.
16:44 < genehacker> how about a plastic box?
16:44 < fenn> you have to make modifications to add the goop anyway
16:44 < fenn> tim the dna synthesizer requires 4*number of bases in the sequence
16:44 < genehacker> hmmm...
16:45 < genehacker> cyranoacrylate can be vapor depositted on to surfaces..
16:45 < fenn> so that many times ptting it in the drive, taking it out, putting in spin coater,... lots of room for error and a pain in the ass
16:45 < kanzure> http://www.ksc.re.kr/kcnr/Presentations/30thGNR/30thGNR_MIPark.pdf
16:45 < fenn> much rather have it completely automated, even if it requires modifications to the drive
16:46 < tim_> sounds like you'd be better off building a custom machine anyway.  It would be challenging to modify a modern CD/DVD drive to cope with random crap being flung around inside it's case.
16:46 < fenn> tim_: have you been reading the replab mailing list?
16:46 < genehacker> perhaps by shinning some UV light one could pattern cyranoacrylate on a surface and use it like a photoresist
16:46 < tim_> fenn: nope
16:47 < fenn> cyanoacrylate hardens in air though
16:49 < genehacker> you could do it like you do finger print fuming
16:50 < genehacker> though one might need some sort of initiator
16:52 < genehacker> anyway if this is for making microfluidics it'd better to go with the shrinky-dink route
16:52 < genehacker> one group was able to get the shrinkage right by shrinking them fast
17:05 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/packages/
17:05 < kanzure> "QuicKutz® Silhouette SD desktop digital craft cutter "
17:06 < kanzure> http://quickkutz.com/
17:06 < kanzure> blah $250?
17:11 < kanzure> http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=SILHOUETTE+SD+Digital+Craft+Cutter+Machine+Quickutz&_sacat=0&_trksid=p3286.m270.l1313&_dmpt=US_Die_Cutting_Machines_Dies&_odkw=silhouette+SD&_osacat=0
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17:12 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.rsc.org.ezproxy.lib.utexas.edu/delivery/_ArticleLinking/ArticleLinking.cfm?JournalCode=LC&Year=2010&ManuscriptID=b918089c&Iss=Advance_Article
17:23 < kanzure> if it was cheaper than buying a heating iron it might be worth it
17:25 < kanzure> hm i wonder if dulwich works with bare repos
17:26 < kanzure> aha.
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17:27 < QuantumG> We miss you. <- lies
17:30 < QuantumG> what do you call material that changes consistency when an electric current is passed through it?
17:31 < xp_prg> can I ask dumb questions about microfluidics with paper/cutting etc... ?
17:31 < xp_prg> like can you do pcr with it?
17:31 < QuantumG> you can always ask
17:32 < xp_prg> would you use microfluidics for pcr?
17:33 < xp_prg> help me to know stuff about it
17:33 < QuantumG> I don't remember which of these lurkers is the microfluidics dude
17:35 < kanzure> xp_prg: go help yourself and go away
17:37 < QuantumG> hey kanzure, ever read Ender's Game?
17:37 < kanzure> yes
17:38 < kanzure> QuantumG: i was doing some reverse compiling stuff a few weeks ago
17:38 < QuantumG> ever thing about how to make a flash suit?
17:38 < kanzure> and somehow i came across your name
17:39 < QuantumG> I'm not surprised :)
17:48 < kanzure> QuantumG: i was wondering if you would be willing to help me on a few tasks, actually
17:49 < QuantumG> what ya got?
17:49 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/opencascade/solidworks_source_structure.txt
17:49 < kanzure> i've been looking into some DLLs
17:49 < kanzure> i want to use some reverse compilers but i can't seem to find any :)
17:50 < QuantumG> ya, they don't exist.. it's still mostly a manual process
17:50 < QuantumG> how many dlls and how big?
17:50 < kanzure> that's 5 MBs of function/class _names_
17:50 < kanzure> but let's say i pick one function and want to twiddle with it a bit
17:51 < kanzure> wtf. *MB
17:53 < QuantumG> load the dll up in IDA.. copy out the asm, convert it to semantics by hand, do the minimum amount of work to get it into C, compile it, patch the DLL in memory to point to your new code (either use a debugger or inject a new DLL into the process) and test a lot to see if your C replaces the function correctly.. then try to make the function easier to read.
17:54 < kanzure> you're insane :)
17:54 < kanzure> i've never done DLL patching though
17:54 < kanzure> any hints or tutorials or links on that?
17:54 < QuantumG> but.. if you give me the DLL I'll take a look for ya
17:54 < kanzure> no thanks, there's nothing in particular i want in it
17:55 < kanzure> if you have some tools to do this automatically and clean up common crap, then sure
17:55 < kanzure> how do you swap out the addresses in the DLL file?
17:55 < QuantumG> ya, I don't.  You can try Boomerang ... but I stopped working on it a few years ago, so I don't know what state it is in
17:56 < QuantumG> insert a jump at the start of the original function to your replacement function
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17:56 < kanzure> QuantumG: i used to do this with ROMs for video games, and it was space-specific, so inserting stuff randomly would totally fuck it up
17:56 < kanzure> but i can just arbitrarily add in as i see fit?
17:56 < kanzure> with DLLs
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17:57 < kanzure> by "fuck up" i mean change the size and thus fubar everything, all the offsets, etc
17:57 < QuantumG> well, you overwrite the original 5 bytes of code with the jump
17:57 < QuantumG> so you're not inserting anything
17:59 < QuantumG> way I typically do it is to write a DLL with a init function that patches the original DLL and inject it into the running process
17:59 < kanzure> how do you inject DLLs into a process?
17:59 < QuantumG> http://quantumg.net/injectdll.php
17:59 < kanzure> heh
18:00 < kanzure> source and everything :) thanks
18:00 < kanzure> what's with the random comment spam?
18:01 < QuantumG> no idea, people are dicks
18:01 < kanzure> wonder if this works under wine
18:02 < QuantumG> you'll need to VirtualProtect the original code of the DLL that you want to overwrite, to make it writable
18:03 < wrldpc2> is there a build of skdb I can point someone to?
18:06 < QuantumG> another way of getting your DLL into a process (and there are many) is to look at the imports of the main EXE and see if there are any DLLs that are imported with only a few imported functions
18:06 < QuantumG> 1 is best
18:06 < QuantumG> then you just write a wrapper for each function
18:07 < QuantumG> name your DLL the same as the imported DLL (renaming the original DLL if needed) and shove it in the same dir as the EXE
18:10 < wrldpc2> nvm
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18:23 < QuantumG> kanzure: and you think you have problems
18:24 < QuantumG> I just found a dos exe that I want to decompile
18:24 < QuantumG> 16 bit
18:24 < QuantumG> last time I did this was Commander Keen .. and I did it using a modified version of DosBox
18:31 < QuantumG> thankfully someone else has rewritten it
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18:34 < drazak> dosbox is <3
18:34 < drazak> I play star commander in dosbox
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19:12 < genehacker> argh, why the heck isn't openscad documented?
19:15 < kanzure> peculiar interface: http://www.windowshop.com/
19:15 < kanzure> hey jasonwohlfahrt 
19:15 < kanzure> does amazon own imdb? since when
19:15 < kanzure> huh
19:16 < genehacker> kanzure you wouldn't happen to know any nifty ways to generate .dxf files now would you?
19:16 < kanzure> sure there's lots of python modules that do that
19:17 < genehacker> really?
19:17 < genehacker> so I want to draw lines to make a gear, I assume it's pretty simple to do such a thing/
19:19 < kanzure> i suggest you do it the way fenn did it for you
19:19 < kanzure> with a python script to write svg
19:19 < kanzure> and then import it into heekscad and convert to dxf
19:19 < genehacker> ok
19:19 < kanzure> but you can also just use a dxf library with python
19:21 < genehacker> I think I'll go with the svg route
19:21 < kanzure> good choice
19:22 < genehacker> I think I'm going to hack at figuring out how to generate the ring gear first though
19:23 < genehacker> and figuring out the math to automatically generate the inner gear
19:23 < kanzure> here's the script he wrote for you: http://fennetic.net/irc/cycloidal.py
19:26 < genehacker> yeah I saved that
19:35 < genehacker> woo found a 1 tooth difference cycloidal gear design
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19:57 < genehacker> you know gear design that I made awhile back might actaully work
19:57 < genehacker> even though its always in contact
19:58 < genehacker> because there's a patent that says it's ok
19:58 < genehacker> or should be]
20:05 < kanzure> does it worry you that your knowledge is coming from patents
20:05 < genehacker> yeah a bit
20:06 < genehacker> quite annoying too
20:08 < genehacker> but it's unfortunately it's the only good source of information like this
20:32 < kanzure> hey why do they call them labor atories?
20:40 < genehacker> they are a place where labor is performed
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21:12 < kanzure> it would have been nice if they would have notified me before trashing it
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21:33 < ybit> kanzure: why are you stalking jeremiah petit?
21:35 < kanzure> ybit: jata introduced me to him
21:35 < kanzure> why, do you know him?
21:39 < genehacker> hmmm...
21:39 < genehacker> e.coli PLA production:
21:39 < genehacker> http://blog.reprap.org/2009/11/bugs-brew-pla-direct.html
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21:41 < ybit> 17:25 < kanzure> hm i wonder if dulwich works with bare repos
21:42 < ybit> thanks one of the first things it mentions in the tutorial
21:42 < kanzure> bah tutorials are for quitters
21:45 < kanzure> ([A-Fa-f0-9]{5,40})
21:46 < kanzure> er maybe just 40 :)
21:46 < kanzure> in fact that doesn't look like much of a good idea
21:46 < ybit> you linked to the tutorial, so... :)
21:46 < kanzure> should the hash come before or after the command in the url?
21:47 < ybit> yes, that's jeremiah the guy who refuses to respond to my emails if he's coming with us or not
21:47 < kanzure> after would be most convenient now
21:47 < kanzure> oh
21:47 < ybit> he posted something on my facebook wall
21:47 < kanzure> huh
21:47 < kanzure> well jata says he needs a place to sleep
21:47 < kanzure> so she introduced me to him today
21:47 < kanzure> haha
21:47 < ybit> he told me he was trying to get in touch with jata but never could and was wondering how to get around the credit card charge they have in place online to register for the event.. that was a couple weeks ago..
21:47 < ybit> :P
21:48 < ybit> tell him to respond to my messages
21:48 < kanzure> he hasn't actually said anything to me
21:48 < kanzure> just by proxy of jata
21:48 < kanzure> jataproxy
21:50 < ybit> my afternoon was kind of wasted, i finished the last of the 20% of ksrm via tts/mp3, read some git ref material, read the dulwich tutorial, read web.py all the way through except for the last two pages (11 of 13 pages got to the unit tests).. and had to deal with bad music and singing for 4 hours
21:50 < kanzure> why are you.. why are you printing this shit otu?
21:50 < kanzure> *out
21:50 < ybit> because i don't have a notebook computer
21:51 < kanzure> uh, want one?
21:51 < ybit> i'm supposedly getting one in less than a week so that i can have one while traveling
21:52 < ybit> if that weren't the case, then yes
21:52 < kanzure> i'll give you one if you buy a $40 power adapter for it. 21" screen. P4 dual core (yes it's old)
21:52 < ybit> 21" o.O
21:52 < ybit> that's bigger than my desktop screen
21:53 < ybit> that's probably still faster than this computer
21:53 < kanzure> it's what i was using all through high school
21:54 < ybit> jeremiah is on all the mailing lists but never says anything
21:54 < ybit> his email is something like lord.redeemer@gmail.com or something
21:55 < kanzure> right
21:55 < ybit> i've done some stalking awhile ago, so you don't have to
21:55 < ybit> right so if he needs a place, we can fit a roll-away in is what i was told, they doubled checked for me
21:55 < ybit> it's $20 extra per night
21:57 < ybit> that's actually a good thing, the price will go down to about $60 total for everyone
21:59 < ybit> QuantumG: why would you need to inject some code into a running program. can you give me an exmaple of this?
21:59 < QuantumG> if a program does something and you want it to do something else...
21:59 < ybit> an example?
21:59 < kanzure> :)
21:59 < QuantumG> and, ya know, you don't have source
21:59 < kanzure> uh
21:59 < kanzure> well, if you need to get it to do something else
22:00 < kanzure> for instance, let's say you want to get around some activation feature
22:00 < kanzure> activation/registration
22:00 < ybit> gotcha
22:00 < kanzure> or maybe you want to figure out how solidworks works
22:00 < ybit> kind of hard to do that without the source wouldn't you think?
22:00 < fenn> QuantumG: electrorheological fluids work on voltage, not current
22:00 < kanzure> yeah it's a pain in the ass, ybit
22:01 < QuantumG> example: I had a game that would switch out of full screen every time my mouse moved off the screen with synergy.. I figured out how it worked and why it was doing that.. so rather than patch the binary I just wrote a dll that patched it in memory
22:01 < ybit> thanks for the link fenn ( http://open3dp.me.washington.edu/?cat=3 )
22:02 < ybit> alright, i'm going to call it a wasted day and wake up early tomorrow morning, gn
22:03 < QuantumG> fenn: awesome, that's what I was looking for
22:03 < QuantumG> ... got any guides on how to make them?
22:03 < genehacker> cornstarch+dielectric
22:04 < fenn> powdered silica in PEG?
22:04 < genehacker> has anyone figured out how to make decent actuators with them?
22:04 < fenn> how would that work?
22:04 < genehacker> I don't know
22:04 < fenn> it just changes the viscosity
22:04 < genehacker> ok
22:04 < QuantumG> I was thinking of making clothing with it embedded in it
22:04 < genehacker> armor?
22:05 < fenn> well in that case you probably want magnetorheological fluid
22:05 < fenn> it works a lot better, no high voltages etc
22:05 < QuantumG> so when you apply the voltage the wearer is "frozen"
22:05 < fenn> burn some extra fine steel wool and mix the rest in mineral oil.. or just buy it from scitoys.com or something
22:06 < fenn> result*
22:06 < genehacker> why would you want to do that?
22:06 < fenn> it makes magnetorheological fluid
22:06 < genehacker> that would be no fun without a spacestation
22:06 < QuantumG> freeze laser tag
22:06 < genehacker> * a large space station
22:06 < QuantumG> :)
22:07 < fenn> and lots of horny ten year olds
22:07 < genehacker> sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen
22:07 < fenn> ... or whatever you were planning to use it for
22:07 < kanzure> 4chan party van?
22:07 < genehacker> RULE 1 VIOLATION
22:07 < fenn> rule 1: there is no rule 1
22:08 < fenn> or was that "do not talk about rule 1"?
22:08 < genehacker> I can't say, that might violate the rules
22:09 < kanzure> neat joe just offered us up some hosting
22:10 < genehacker> also why don't LED throwies use surface mount
22:10 < genehacker> and smaller coincells
22:10 < fenn> why dont people not suck
22:10 < fenn> led throwies? wtf
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22:10 < genehacker> so you could shout them out of a coil gun
22:11 < genehacker> http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123188458/abstract
22:12 < genehacker> http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/123188463/abstract
22:12 < genehacker> you mind hosting those on your server?
22:13 < genehacker> err...
22:13 < genehacker> these are some very interesting papers you should read them
22:18 < QuantumG> are there people who have actually put bioengineered organisms into production making textiles?  Or is this just more research-with-possible-application-tacked-on
22:19 < genehacker> yeah
22:19 < genehacker> in fact I'm wearing a shirt made from bioengineered textile right now
22:19 < genehacker> you could be too
22:20 < genehacker> oh and pants
22:20 < genehacker> this bioengineered textile is known as cotton
22:20 < genehacker> looks like research directed toward a practical application
22:21 < QuantumG> lemme fix that up for you... bioengineered microbes
22:21 < genehacker> don't think that's ever been done
22:23 < QuantumG> http://www2.dupont.com/Sorona/en_US/assets/images/Corn%20to%20clothing.jpg
22:23 < QuantumG> step three it would seem
22:23 < QuantumG> to answer my own question
22:24 < genehacker> >petroleum based monomer
22:25 < genehacker> that's cheating
22:26 < QuantumG> still, they're making the monomer in vivo and genetically enhancing the microrganisms to do it, that's pretty awesome
22:26 < genehacker> the PLA thing is cool because PLA is a plastic that reprap happens to use
22:28 < fenn> huh. sparkfun.com is giving away $100 free electronics to anyone who orders on january 7
22:28 < fenn> until they go broke, that is
22:29 < kanzure> probably a scam. "only these special capacitors"
22:29 < fenn> doesn't look like it
22:30 < kanzure> i wish "alt+tab" would cause me physical pain via an electric shock
22:30 < kanzure> maybe it would train me to stay more focused
22:30 < fenn> maybe you should just close all that crap
22:30 < kanzure> what crap
22:30 < kanzure> this terminal, the other terminal
22:30 < fenn> whatever you are tabbing to
22:31 < kanzure> not the same as pain-reinforced learning
22:31 < genehacker> wait really?
22:31 < genehacker> anyone fenn?
22:31 < genehacker> or just one or two people?
22:31  * fenn protects his cherished alt-tab reflex
22:32 < fenn> don't ask me read the fucking page yourself!
22:32 < genehacker> I'm sorry
22:32 < genehacker> I'm just in shock
22:32 < genehacker> I can't believe it
22:34  * genehacker looks for some gps modules...
22:35 < fenn> do you even have a project to use those with?
22:35 < genehacker> I want a UAV
22:35 < fenn> they should just make 1 out of 10 random orders free
22:36 < fenn> i guess that wouldnt be the same
22:36 < genehacker> and one needs a gps unit for a uav
22:36 < fenn> or maybe a community based moderation system, but for deciding where teh moneys go
22:37 < fenn> huh they have an irc channel?
22:38 < genehacker> hmmm... now if we pool resources we could get all parts to make a UAV
22:38 < fenn> why can't you use a $5 accelerometer and an avr?
22:39 < kanzure> heh SarahEmm is in there
22:39 < fenn> yep lots of ##electronics people
22:39 < kanzure> oh even fenn
22:39 < kanzure> owait
22:40 < fenn> genehacker: you know about ardupilot right?
22:40 < genehacker> a little bit
22:41 < genehacker> I'm not a big fan of the thermopile stabilization system
22:48 < genehacker> though I wonder if it could be used to make the UAV do aerial maneuvers...
23:09 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbwpgyRUv5 ninja kitten
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23:10 < genehacker2> error, video link invalid
23:12 < kanzure> bah whatever
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23:44 < fenn> well this is certainly interesting http://web.media.mit.edu/~ankit/bokode/
23:45 < kanzure> 2.5 microns?
23:46 < kanzure> 2.5microns from 4m.. er, how many bits?
23:46 < fenn> how many bits what?
23:46 < kanzure> is this a binary signal?
23:46 < fenn> it's an "angular modulation scheme"
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23:56 < fenn> wow these new gyro chips are amazingly cheap
23:56 < fenn> $7.50 in qty 1, $3.00 in qty 100
23:58 < genehacker2> link