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09:24 < kanzure> http://sethgodin.typepad.com/seths_blog/2009/12/is-it-too-late-to-catch-up.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2Fsethsmainblog+(Seth%27s+Blog)&utm_content=Twitter
09:25 < kanzure> don't really agree with his last three sentences about "the problem is no longer access to tools" although he might just be talking about web stuff (although he mentions a drill press one sentence previously)
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09:34 < JayDugger> Ex-Chat?
09:35 < JayDugger> Re: Seth Godin's post. My employer threatened me with legal and disciplinary action for merely posting photos of a piece of machinery.
09:36 < JayDugger> Good thing I knew where we'd buried bodies, so to speak.
09:36 < JayDugger> I do like that final sentence, though.
09:37 < kanzure> oh shit, for posting photos of machinery?
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09:37 < kanzure> was it on your public blog?
09:39 < JayDugger> My no longer public blog, and Flickr, yes.
09:39 < JayDugger> My lawyer said they'd no real case, but I lacked money to go to court.
09:40 < JayDugger> Has anyone mentioned book rippers at the conference?
09:42 < JayDugger> Homemade book scanning machines; e.g., http://bkrpr.org/doku.php
09:48 < kanzure> hm doesn't seem to flip pages
09:50 < JayDugger> Yes. Good thing the design has room for improvement. Otherwise the project would have less interest.
09:55 < JayDugger> And page turning matters. Doing that manually slows down and makes unreliable the whole process.
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10:01 < kanzure> JayDugger: IIRC, xerox copying machines (used in high schools etc.) have an input feed
10:01 < kanzure> so if you unbind the pages then stick it in, all should be good
10:02 < JayDugger> They do. That has problems.
10:02 < kanzure> but for some reason i don't see that often
10:02 < kanzure> do you know what these problems are?
10:02 < JayDugger> First. I want PDFs or TIFFs, not photocopies.
10:02 < kanzure> yes they give PDFs
10:02 < kanzure> or if they don't it's an easy fix
10:02 < JayDugger> Some copiers will do that, but I haven't access to one.
10:02 < JayDugger> Second, unbinding a book takes a great deal of work.
10:02 < JayDugger> It also destroys the book's resale value.
10:03 < kanzure> no there's a quick way to unbind with a giant piece of .. er. metal
10:03 < JayDugger> If I spend, or have, a book worth real money, I might not want to make a sacrificial scan.
10:03 < kanzure> let me remember. there's lots of stuff on ebay
10:03 < JayDugger> A paper cutter? A knife?
10:03 < kanzure> a paper cutter of sorts
10:03 < kanzure> it's basically a knife yes
10:03 < kanzure> but anyway it's made for unbinding huge books
10:04 < kanzure> yes it's unfortunate that you have to destroy the binding
10:04 < JayDugger> Ah. I didn't know specialized tools existed for that.
10:04 < kanzure> what do you think about mechanical page turning?
10:04 < JayDugger> I'd like to try it.
10:04 < kanzure> i've seen an implementation before, but it wasn't made for scanning
10:04 < JayDugger> I've worn out sheet feeders.
10:05 < JayDugger> Scraps of binding glue, paper dust, and just good old wear-and-tear.
10:05 < kanzure> it was made for disabled or challenged individuals, so it had this piece of tape to stick to the page, and then this was attached to a metal rod ("the arm")
10:06 < JayDugger> I don't know how scanning services work around these problems. I suspect they throw manual labor at the problem.
10:06 < JayDugger> Google might sit on a neat patent or two, but I've not looked.
10:07 < JayDugger> Do you recall the name of that page turner?
10:07 < kanzure> yes, one moment.
10:07 < kanzure> "ez reader"
10:07 < kanzure> it's totally proprietary, but here's the CAD files: http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/ezreaderfiles.zip
10:08 < JayDugger> Thank you.
10:13 < JayDugger> Here's a $3800 page turner. http://www.tfeinc.com/shop/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=20
10:13 < JayDugger> $3400 if you buy a used model.
10:14 < JayDugger> This one only costs $1550. http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/ezreaderfiles.zip
10:14 < JayDugger> Whoops. http://www.touchturner.com/pricing_info.htm
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11:18 < kanzure> #openhardware quote "arduino makes hardware easyware"
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12:22 < Utopiah> (for the person who shared a link on stigmergic collaboration a while ago : http://nyreelemmens.weebly.com/publications.html Stigmergic Landmark Foraging by Nyree Lemmens and Karl Tuyls, Autonomous Agents and Multi-Agent Systems AAMAS 2009)
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12:50 < kanzure> http://blog.langtonlabs.org/
12:50 < kanzure> http://anselmlevskaya.com/
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13:47 < kanzure> chinese artificial brain agency?
13:47 < Utopiah> their FPGA project?
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14:23 < ybit> kanzure: what book is he talking about?
14:23 < ybit>  something about evolution...
14:27 < ybit> here is one mentioned at the break room: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakpoint_%28novel%29
14:27 < ybit> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakpoint_(novel) ..cleaner link
14:28 < ybit> will get around to posting an entire list of novels later today
14:39 < ybit> re: chinese a.i. agency... yeah... i was talking with goertzel last night, he's wanting to do the 'red brain' in china
14:41 < kanzure> i like the paypal virus
14:41 < kanzure> bbl
15:19 < QuantumG> ahh Goertzel
15:19 < QuantumG> he's addicted to non-english speaking dev teams.. I'm guessing they are more easily dazzled by his semantic arguments.
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17:28 < ybit>      the webcast or the videos and feel kinship with the people who attended the conference.
17:28 < ybit> Privacy Type:
17:28 < ybit> grr
17:28 < ybit>     Open: All content is public.
17:28 < ybit> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=116665879990
17:29 < ybit> Description: Attendees of the H+ Summit 2009 held Dec. 5 and 6 at EON Reality, Irvine, California, created by Humanity Plus (http://www.humanityplus.org) in cooperation with Mindshare Labs http://www.mindshare-labs.com). 
17:56 < kanzure> well i lost my phone
17:57 < kanzure> it's somewhere on a beach off the coast of los angeles
17:58 < kanzure> what's a "lamborghini"? apparently i was in one
18:07 < QuantumG> its a car
18:07 < QuantumG> typically red
18:07 < QuantumG> made by italians, driven by wankers
18:15 < kanzure> someone here is telling me that they cost a lot?
18:15 < QuantumG> ya, they do
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18:15 < QuantumG> but they have terrible resale value, so its possible to get older models for cheap.
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18:52 < genehacker> whoa
18:53 < genehacker> did you see that thing Jonathan Cline sent out
18:53 < genehacker> it's a lego robot that does pippetting
18:56 < genehacker> most notable is that this robot is a delta robot
18:56 < genehacker> which is a bit excessive considering this is done with legos
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20:16 < JayDugger> How goes Smart's presentation. I can't watch--preparing for work.
20:16 < JayDugger> ?, even.
20:17 < JayDugger> Does he have anything new to say since the Accelerating Change conferences?
20:17 < genehacker> haven't been watching
20:17 < genehacker> lost vid connection
20:17 < genehacker> started to get weird anyway
20:17 < JayDugger> Ah. Too bad. 
20:17 < JayDugger> Oh, the Leary references?
20:18 < genehacker> sorta stopped at the quantum conscience stuff
20:18 < JayDugger> Yeah...the whole cyberdelic angle has some weirdness to it.
20:20 < JayDugger> I find "show me something, preferably hardware" a good bogosity filter.
20:20 < genehacker> and this music guy
20:20 < JayDugger> Who?
20:21 < genehacker> I dunno some guy who made music for ads or something
20:21 < genehacker> I don't really care
20:21 < JayDugger> Fair enough. :)
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21:20 < jasonwohlfahrt> hey bryan
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22:09 < kanzure> hey jason
22:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> how ya doin there, sir
22:33 < jasonwohlfahrt> ?
22:34 < jasonwohlfahrt> I was so busy yesterday, I wasn't able to tune in for your presentation. Anywhere that I can view it now?
22:34 < jasonwohlfahrt> Or will it be archived for future viewing?
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