--- Day changed Mon Dec 21 2009
00:09 < kanzure> f0r? who says f0r.
00:09 < ybit> who types in 1337 speak?
00:09 < ybit> s/1/l
00:12 < ybit> and i hackers would use otr or something like that if they had something secretive to share
00:19 < kanzure> i never heard it as l337
00:20 < ybit> i have never seen 1337 until now
00:20 < ybit> "Leet, also known as eleet or leetspeak, is an alternative alphabet for the English language that is used primarily on the Internet. It uses various combinations of ASCII characters to replace Latinate letters. For example, leet spellings of the word leet include 1337 and l33t; eleet may be spelled 31337 or 3l33t."
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00:23 < kanzure> it's never just l337, it's either l33t or 1337
00:24 < kanzure> god i suck
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01:51 < bkero> kanzure: Last years?  Yea, I have an ISO
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08:15 < fenn> who is etienne?
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08:40 < kanzure> fenn: guy who drew the gnu for GNU
08:42 < fenn> i met peter eckersley from the EFF
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08:51 < Martyn> morning kanzure, fenn
08:51 < Martyn> You're up early fenn
08:51 < kanzure> grr netsplits
08:54 < kanzure> loooks like we missed the deadline for the paper. was silly to think i could write my first paper in less than a week anyway..
09:03 < Martyn> *raises eyebrow*
09:04 < Martyn> What conference?
09:04 < Martyn> (and yeah, giving yourself one week for a paper is a bit .. tight)
09:07 < kanzure> http://design2010.org/
09:07 < kanzure> the prof told me about it two wednesdays ago
09:07 < kanzure> got me a week extension on the deadline from the conference organizers
09:07 < kanzure> but even that wasn't enough
09:08 < Martyn> 404?
09:08 < kanzure> http://designconference.org/ my bad
09:08 < kanzure> "design2010" was the name on the wiki for the paper.. heh
09:09 < Martyn> OH!  I have a friend in SF that's going to that
09:09 < Martyn> It's amazing how a place that was war torn just a few years ago, is now sufficiently recovered to host conferences
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11:04 < kanzure> hey jay
11:05 < JayDugger> Good morning, Bryan.
11:05 < JayDugger> Have you had a chance to review any of the technical writing style guides I s ent?
11:05 < kanzure> no, in fact i forgot about them
11:05 < JayDugger> No worries.
11:06 < kanzure> i have a few moments now however so i'll go do that
11:06 < JayDugger> I've a few minutes before bed, so if you've questions, please ask.
11:06 < kanzure> flightsafety.com ?
11:06 < kanzure> http://www.gooddocuments.com/homepage/homepage.htm
11:06 < kanzure> http://www.gooddocuments.com/techniques/techniqueshome.htm
11:06 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Bricklin
11:06 < JayDugger> My employer.
11:07 < kanzure> thanks for the links. downloading the pdfs..
11:07 < JayDugger> Nothing proprietary exists in the documents.
11:07 < JayDugger> Good technical documentation is an advantage, but not a competitive one.
11:08 < JayDugger> By the time a customer has the manual, they've already bought the product or service. 
11:09 < kanzure> does anyone in here have a preferred documentation markup method? restructuredtext never worked for me, and doxygen isn't quite right for my needs
11:09 < kanzure> preferably i need a nice, simple way to generate documentation and tutorials for python code
11:09 < kanzure> (mostly the final look and feel)
11:10 < JayDugger> Past my experience. I worked mostly with Twiki mark-up and MS Word.
11:11 < kanzure> css for python.. not quite the functionality i had in mind: http://cthedot.de/cssutils/
11:16 < kanzure> JayDugger: what do you do at flightsafety?
11:17 < JayDugger> I now work as a technician on flight simulators. I formerly worked for the manufacturing division, where I installed, set-up, and "certified" similar machines.
11:18 < JayDugger> This involved some project management work, and some technical writing.
11:18 < kanzure> maybe i'll use http://sphinx.pocoo.org/
11:19 < JayDugger> "Certified" means shepherding the machines through the regulatory authority's review, be that FAA, JAA, DOD, etc.
11:20 < kanzure> heh i'm trying to imagine how much crap you have to go through re: installing them. proprietary interfaces everywhere?
11:20 < kanzure> poor documentation? etc.
11:20 < JayDugger> Oh, wow...
11:20 < JayDugger> where to start with all the horror stories?
11:21 < JayDugger> In aerospace, many formats and interfaces are well-established and well-documented, if proprietary.
11:22 < JayDugger> The cost of substantial hardware, such as a multi-million dollar simulator, means paying off and then depreciating big capital assets can take many years.
11:22 < JayDugger> So part obsolescence can cause real problems.
11:22 < JayDugger> I work mainly on the visual systems of the simulators, and these have finally gone over to COTS hardware.
11:23 < JayDugger> Commericial Off The Shelf, or NVidia graphics cards instead of custom electronics.
11:24 < JayDugger> So that's mostly not a problem on newer machinery. Even the machine vision systems they use for auto-maintenance will soon go over to high-end digital cameras.
11:24 < JayDugger> Canon G10s and G11's cost much less and work better than the odd cameras we formerly used.
11:26 < kanzure> what are they looking at with the auto maintenance vision systems?
11:27 < JayDugger> A typical high-end flight simulator uses multiple video projectors to shine onto a single screen with a toroidal surface section.
11:27 < JayDugger> Until very recently, these projectors used red, green, and blue CRTs.
11:28 < JayDugger> If each CRT didn't shine at the same  brightness for the same ordered video level, the overall color of the image would change across the image.
11:29 < JayDugger> Maintaining color matching was one job of the machine vision system.
11:30 < JayDugger> Convergence, or making certain that each projected image had the same size and shape as the others, also relied on a machine vision system.
11:31 < JayDugger> In that case, a test pattern was ordered and its location measured by the machine vision system. Any error between the ordered and measured position was used to make corrections to the video signal.
11:31 < JayDugger> Nothing that couldn't be done by human, but much faster, more accurate, and more consistent when done by machien.
11:32 < JayDugger> machine, even.
11:32 < JayDugger> "Yes, I can dig a hole, but I'd rather use a shovel," if you like.
11:36 < kanzure> CIA-52: ping?
11:41 < JayDugger> Good night, all.
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13:11 < xp_prg> kanzure I have connected an arduino to a tmobile g1, it handles all the wifi etc...
13:11 < xp_prg> it is going to be far cheaper than the zigbee garbage your trying to do
13:11 < kanzure> nah it's not me who's using zigbee
13:12 < kanzure> a friend of a friend.. i told them arduino too :)
13:15 < xp_prg> kanzure I can't figure out what plant cell is best to use for my bioprinting
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15:45 < genehacker2> a arduino connected to a tmobile?
15:46 < genehacker2> can you get it to send data over the phone networks, say pictures and stuff?
15:53 < kanzure> anyone know about purchasing plastic injection machines? tim schmidt needs some help
15:54 < kanzure> or plastic extrusions
16:21 < genehacker2> try #reprap
16:21 < genehacker2> one guy there knows
16:25 < genehacker2> is tim going to injection mold some reprap parts?
16:27 < kanzure> yes
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17:11 < xp_prg> genehacker2 yes
17:12 < xp_prg> kanzure there is a vacuum plastic former at the Tech Shop I have access to
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18:45 < CubeSpawn> hey-O
18:46 < CubeSpawn> any live lifeforms present? or just empty shells?
18:47 < genehacker2> I guess I'm a lifeform
18:47 < genehacker2> not sure about you though
18:47 < CubeSpawn> or a cleverly written script...
18:47 < genehacker2> also remember kanzure's a human
18:47 < CubeSpawn> me, I'm a mutated game AI
18:48 < genehacker2> though several people have thought he was a robot
18:48 < CubeSpawn> well crush the squishy protien things...
18:49 < CubeSpawn> just found an expieremental (sp) investment group
18:50 < genehacker2> for your cube thing?
18:50 < CubeSpawn> and since the hot topic in the open hardware today was sale-able products
18:51 < CubeSpawn> actually wierder than that - they want to fund several projects with overlapping objectives
18:52 < CubeSpawn> so if skdb could be applied to cubespawn to build a pick and place system someone else wants it'd qualify as a candidate for thier program
18:52 < genehacker2> I have stl's for a pick and place toolhead for reprap darwing
18:52 < genehacker2> I should probably post em on thingiverse...
18:53 < CubeSpawn> kewl! does it work?
18:53 < genehacker2> I don't know
18:53 < genehacker2> I don't have a darwin
18:53 < genehacker2> yet
18:53 < genehacker2> only parts for one
18:53 < CubeSpawn> ah, that
18:53 < genehacker2> only works for SMD
18:54 < CubeSpawn> I built a mcwire, but after about 80% I quit and started cubespawn
18:54 < genehacker2> argh, that's what everyone does making mcwires
18:54 < CubeSpawn> it turns out to have substantial flaws
18:55 < CubeSpawn> its a nice idea, but not so much... (usefulness, I mean)
18:55 < genehacker2> what substantial flaws?
18:55 < genehacker2> if so write em up so people can know not to build mcwire's
18:56 < CubeSpawn> flimsy, too light, poorly balanced, inaccurate, unreliable...
18:56 < genehacker2> so you hope to solve those problems with cubespawn?
18:57 < CubeSpawn> I used to run a 8000lb mill, so I'm a little biased
18:57 < CubeSpawn> some of them
18:57 < CubeSpawn> it'll still be too weak in gen one, but thats a cost tradeoff
18:58 < CubeSpawn> the one meter cube will be a true light milling machine
18:58 < CubeSpawn> adequate for any aluminum part you'd care to name
19:00 < CubeSpawn> but for a medium duty mill - it'll require parts made on a surface grinder - and then it'll take a while to get to even low end accuracy when compared to commercial versions
19:00 < CubeSpawn> too many non-trivial problems to solve to get there all at once
19:01 < CubeSpawn> but the light mill? that one we can do!!
19:02 < QuantumG> hey cubespawn
19:02 < CubeSpawn> yup!
19:04 < CubeSpawn> whats up QuantumG?
19:05 < QuantumG> saw your concept a few weeks ago.. we talked about it here briefly..
19:05 < CubeSpawn> right! whats on your mind?
19:05 < QuantumG> nothing :)  just thought I'd say hi
19:05 < CubeSpawn> oh, kewl!
19:06 < CubeSpawn> how are your 16 kids? and the goldfish?
19:06 < QuantumG> heh, no kids.. goldfish are good.
19:06 < CubeSpawn> oh, that wasn't you... (heh)
19:09 < CubeSpawn> so mr Kanzure isn't about, he just botted up the room, minimized the window and is coding like a mad man... or something
19:09 < QuantumG> I'm watching "This Week In Space" again in an attempt to find anything I can like
19:12 < kanzure> back
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19:15 < Martyn> *yawn*
19:15 < Martyn> hey all
19:22 < kanzure> CubeSpawn: http://designfiles.org/packages/
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19:31 < kanzure> CubeSpawn: heekscad
19:32 < Martyn> Dan Heeks!
19:32 < Martyn> He rocks :)
19:32 < Martyn> I ressurected some open source code off of Sourceforge for him a while back.  The adaptive clearing algorithms
19:42 < ybit> er, where's a simple place for people to browse for bio and chem supplies? supposedly you are supposed to purchase stuff for other people during the holidays, so i need a place for people to shop for me...
19:42 < ybit> microscopes, hot plates, flasks, etc..
19:42 < QuantumG> expect to get a Mr Toys My First Microscope
19:43 < ybit> lol
19:43 < ybit> yeah, preferably some place that has gift certificates
19:45 < ybit> mouser.com
19:45 < ybit> harborfreight.com has been suggested to me by some friend...
19:47 < Martyn> you want scientific equipment?  labx.com
19:47 < Martyn> edmund scientific
19:47 < Martyn> etc.
19:48 < xp_prg> can github host private source code projects?
19:49 < kanzure> xp_prg: if you pay
19:49 < kanzure> CubeSpawn: http://heybryan.org:8081/
19:49 < QuantumG> surely pushing to your own private web server is a better option
19:54 < ybit> thanks Martyn, i forgot about 'ol labx
20:01 < CubeSpawn> ok, I now begin to play with heekscad </social mode=off>
20:03 < kanzure> fyi my site is going down for a few minutes
20:06 < CubeSpawn> see you all later, have a good one!!
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20:18 < ybit> anyone read 'the evolution and development of the universe'? it loks decent
20:18 < ybit> http://evodevouniverse.com/EDU2008Papers/EDU2008SpecialIssue.pdf
20:21 < kanzure> doesn't john smart run evodevouniverse.com?
20:22 < ybit> dunno, you linked to it the other day
20:22 < ybit> http://tile28.gigapan.org/gigapans0/28129/tiles//r13.jpg
20:22 < ybit> whoops
20:22 < ybit> that's me attempting to download all the images which make up the metabolic pathways image
20:23 < ybit> $2 for 1000 captchas, not a bad deal
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20:42 < ybit> where is the source for booleano?
20:42 < ybit> kanzure ^ i suppose this is specific to you
20:43 < ybit> aha https://launchpad.net/booleano
21:01 < kanzure> http://www.guitar-list.com/download-software/convert-sketchup-skp-files-dxf-or-stl
21:02 < kanzure> nevermind
21:08 < kanzure> cubespawn was claiming he could do skp->iges but he was wrong
21:09 < Martyn> REally?
21:09 < Martyn> How can you possibly do that conversion?
21:10 < Martyn> You can -import- iges to sketchup, certainly
21:10 < Martyn> but.. um.. export?
21:11 < Martyn> Better question .. why would you want to use the old 80 column iges format?
21:17 < kanzure> heh :)
21:17 < kanzure> i think he misread anyway
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22:14 < fenn> 
22:14 < fenn> 
22:14 < kanzure> hello fenn
22:14 < fenn> i'm asleep
22:16 < kanzure> are you really
22:18 < kanzure> oh shit
22:18 < kanzure> kim peek died
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