--- Day changed Wed Dec 30 2009 00:03 < genehackersolder> a pointy one 00:03 < genehackersolder> I guess you could call it spear like 00:06 < drazak> no chisel tip, then 00:06 < genehackersolder> no 00:08 < genehackersolder> copper braid is proving ineffective 00:09 < MrClif> Its usually slightly better at wicking up the last bit of solder, but you may have trouble getting it out of the through holes. 00:10 < genehackersolder> it's a really tiny amount of solder holding it on 00:10 < MrClif> Did you say there were two circuit boards that the part was connected to? 00:11 < genehackersolder> yes 00:11 < genehackersolder> two 00:11 < MrClif> ah... 00:11 < genehackersolder> I'm trying to desolder the first circuit board 00:11 < genehackersolder> because I might be able to solder wires to the second 00:12 < MrClif> Yes you should try to remove one board at a time, thats probably the only way to do it. 00:13 < MrClif> if there are other components holding the boards together then that may be why you can't wiggle the part. 00:14 < MrClif> Sorry I couldn't help more, but I need to check out for a while. Ciao... 00:14 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-67-189-77-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 00:14 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Client Quit] 00:17 < genehackersolder> I can't wiggle the board because it's so damn tiny 00:26 < kanzure> dpkg-source: info: building pythonocc using existing pythonocc_0.3.orig.tar.gz 00:27 * kanzure twiddles his thumbs 00:27 < kanzure> wish it wouldn't hide output 00:30 < genehackersolder> the saying "when in doubt dike it out" is true. 00:42 < kanzure> huh .deb files can't contain .png files? 00:42 < kanzure> "# You can't put binary files in the debian directory because they can't be properly encoded in the diff. You need to convert your file to something representable in the diff (like .xpm). " 00:46 * Trooem is drinking coca-cola 00:47 < QuantumG> full sugar? 00:47 < Trooem> yup 00:47 < Trooem> caffein helps me wake these lonesome nights... 00:47 < Trooem> so much to do on the web :) 00:47 < QuantumG> I switched to diet a year or so ago 00:47 < kanzure> this is helpful: http://forums.xandros.com/viewtopic.php?p=78078&sid=59462e82ad1cf4da45c2bdad5fce30f1#78078 00:48 < Trooem> yeah i'd better do that before i clog my arteries with sugar or something.. 00:50 < kanzure> ybit: i've made some modifications to the pythonocc source that make it easier to build a .deb 00:50 < kanzure> i was wondering if you did the same yet, or if you would like my copy 01:00 < genehackersolder> that hessel talk contains nothing of value 01:01 < kanzure> oh boy.. yet more meshes. ugh http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~jrs/mesh/ 01:01 < kanzure> thanks genehackersolder 01:02 < kanzure> i didn't watch it. guess i won't now 01:12 * Trooem is thinking every coder themselves is a goldmine but they don't know it. 01:12 < QuantumG> I think ever coder thinks he's a goldmine 01:15 < Trooem> ever or never? 01:16 < QuantumG> every 01:16 < Trooem> oh great 01:16 < Trooem> you a coder QuantumG? 01:16 < QuantumG> of course 01:16 < Trooem> i guess this channel is about coders 01:16 < QuantumG> not necessarily 01:17 < Trooem> and people who are interested in hplus 01:17 < Trooem> were you all invited by kanzure? 01:17 < QuantumG> fairly large number of us yeah 01:17 < Trooem> that's cool. kanzure's building a army. 01:18 < QuantumG> that's what I hear. 01:18 < Trooem> what would the age-range of most of us here? 01:18 < Trooem> what would be... 01:18 < Trooem> about 19 to 28? 01:18 < QuantumG> I'm 33 apparently 01:18 < Trooem> that's cool 01:18 < Trooem> i'm 25... 01:19 < QuantumG> neat 01:19 < QuantumG> so what do you find interesting to have brought you here? 01:19 < Trooem> well, i'm a marketer, i do advertising. 01:19 < Trooem> so... i guess that's what i'm offering to the table. 01:20 < QuantumG> doesn't explain why you're interested in sitting down at that table though 01:20 < Trooem> anybody has a product, i have ways of effective and cheap advertising to get your things sold :) 01:20 < Trooem> yes it doesn't. i'm interested in longevity of course.. 01:20 < Trooem> i stumbled across this channel, kanzure's blog 01:21 < Trooem> and contacted, made dealings, showing proof, partnered. 01:21 < Trooem> so we all have the same ... goal of achieving longevity. 01:22 < Trooem> life is so short man :P 01:22 < Trooem> how about you, what made you get into this 01:23 < QuantumG> kanzure and I started talking about physics 2 years ago.. and I found his molecular biology work interesting. 01:23 < Trooem> so you guys met in person already? 01:24 < QuantumG> nope. 01:24 < QuantumG> all online 01:24 < Trooem> i guess we'll all do that at some point. 01:24 < QuantumG> and yeah, longevity, I hope it comes about but I don't think I'm doing anything in that direction. 01:24 < Trooem> which path are you taking? 01:25 < QuantumG> well, I'd like to see biohacking become an art worthy of its name... that will eventually have longevity applications. 01:25 < QuantumG> I'd like to see nanotechnology (molecular manufacturing) take off.. and that'll have longevity applications. 01:26 < kanzure> there's a few diy biohacking spaces in the bay area focusing on longevity, fyi 01:27 < Trooem> oh so then the goal for now is to publically spread the word of DIY bio and CNC, and bring out the creativity... of everyone. 01:27 < Trooem> contributing, like a collective. like the borg 01:27 < Trooem> in the bay area? 01:27 < Trooem> cool, wouldn't it be a dream to work there. lol 01:28 < Trooem> i hate vancouver. it just rains all the time. 01:28 < QuantumG> kanzure: I'm going to ISDC next year, any chance you could make it? 01:28 < kanzure> the space conference? 01:28 < QuantumG> ya 01:29 < kanzure> i can make a few conferences a year. just have to be selective about it. 01:29 < kanzure> can't spend all of my time at conferences :) 01:29 < QuantumG> ISDC is always pretty exciting. 01:29 < Trooem> i'm not yet completly sure what you guys are doing, but it looks pretty damn epic. :) i'm sure it'll affect people strongly haha.. 01:29 < QuantumG> Trooem: ever heard the term "super-empowered individual"? 01:30 < Trooem> nope: do you mean a selfish, masochistic egomaniac- genius? 01:30 < kanzure> QuantumG: the first time i heard it was from a nanotech website somewhere. i think chris phoenix's blog? 01:30 < Trooem> haha i'm kidding 01:30 < QuantumG> those sound orthogonal to me 01:31 < Trooem> what does it mean truly 01:31 < QuantumG> well, to me it means that, as an individual, you have the power to do what you want to do. 01:32 < QuantumG> in my case, I'd like to have the power to spend my time chasing scientific knowledge, experimenting with the frontier, etc. 01:32 < Trooem> i see. cool 01:33 < QuantumG> of course, that said, I have a fair bit of power now and spend a lot of it talking to you guys on irc :) 01:33 < Trooem> hence longevity. you need time as well :) 01:33 < Trooem> they say longevity is useless to those who won't recognize the wonders of space. so it's for a scientist :P 01:35 < Trooem> near future, everybody is going to want a fabrication lab of their own. 01:35 < Trooem> instead printing out boring 2D papers. 01:35 < Trooem> they'd want to print in 3D, make things... 01:35 < Trooem> wonder if people are going to become that sophisticated in majority. 01:35 < QuantumG> I've yet to see the mass market appeal.. maybe you can help with that. 01:36 < Trooem> that's what i'm here for. to reach the word as far as i can. 01:36 < Trooem> cheaply as i can :P 01:36 < Trooem> free-ly :) 01:37 < QuantumG> don't wanna tell you how to do marketing, but perhaps you could talk to people and find out what excites them about this stuff 01:38 < Trooem> i just wonder if one can simplify all these thing so a normal, everyday households- can use these machines. imagine teenagers making thiings instead playing vid games. 01:38 < QuantumG> I don't have trouble imagining that.. I have trouble imagining them wanting to. 01:38 < QuantumG> imaging teenagers writing code instead of playing video games.. 01:38 < Trooem> you mean public interviews? we've got online surveys for that. get about 10,000 quick survey's and you know what people want :) 01:39 < Trooem> i think simple introduction is the crucial factor. people don't get into it, thinking it's completly intimidating. 01:39 < QuantumG> imaging teenagers writing music or making movies or writing sonnets instead of playing video games. 01:39 < QuantumG> sure, *some* teenagers are terribly interested in that 01:40 < Trooem> most are not... 01:40 < QuantumG> but hey, there was a time when very few people had a computer or even a printer 01:41 < QuantumG> maybe just "make it cheap" is the answer :) 01:41 < Trooem> rather than persuading the general public to convert their hobby, it would be better to find the groups instead :) 01:41 < Trooem> it's all about fast money. 01:41 < Trooem> than approaching them with certain methods. 01:42 < Trooem> maybe one day, people will become sophisticated. (or rather, automated visual-based softwares will allow people to use them) 01:43 < Trooem> like how apple created visual O/S 01:43 < Trooem> and before that people used commandlines. 01:43 < Trooem> so then even a fab-lab is possible. 01:43 < Trooem> for every household. 01:43 < Trooem> ha there's the solution. easy breezy beautiful visual software :) ahahhahaha 01:44 < Trooem> kind of like that game, 'spore' 01:44 < Trooem> or sims. 01:44 < QuantumG> good luck with that 01:44 < Trooem> haha come on man, it's just a abstract idea :P 01:46 * Trooem is bored and saying unworthy things. 01:47 * Trooem having his associates doing the work, and he himself is relaxing..... 01:47 < Trooem> i feel guilty. 01:48 < QuantumG> heh 01:51 < Trooem> really really (shrek) 01:51 < Trooem> this irc thing is great 01:52 < Trooem> :P 01:54 < QuantumG> I'm still thinking about 3d design interfaces :) 01:56 < genehackersolder> trooem find a way to simplify advanced math for people then will talk 01:57 < genehackersolder> *we'll 01:57 < Trooem> lol there's no way. maybe you put that into a really graphically immersive 3D game, like modern warfare 2 or somethign like that, and have people take tests to complete one level to the next, making it interactive. bah! 01:57 < Trooem> maybe kids will be crazy enough to finish the game :P 01:57 < genehackersolder> it need not be 3d 01:58 < Trooem> immersively 2D side scroller, in form of... MMORPG. 01:58 < Trooem> wow 01:58 < genehackersolder> anyway most advanced math stuff was made hard to understand on purpose 01:58 < Trooem> everyone exchanging and interviewing eachother, teaching. 01:58 < Trooem> hahaha 01:58 < genehackersolder> it need not be immersive, just easy to use 01:59 < Trooem> improbable... some topics like history can be taught in this manner effectively but... 01:59 < genehackersolder> anyway there are still concepts you need to learn to make things 01:59 < Trooem> math is just... work so.. 01:59 < Trooem> doubt it hahaha... 02:00 < genehackersolder> well if you don't know about vectors you can't make a rocket 02:00 < Trooem> unless lure them with sex, complete this and you get a young hot teacher with great jugs.. maybe then. 02:00 < Trooem> hold on. 02:01 < Trooem> i forgot to ask who you may be. 02:01 < genehackersolder> though I think I've got a way to teach math and physics in immersive environments 02:01 < Trooem> hahaha 02:01 < Trooem> you a teacher genehacker? 02:01 < genehackersolder> after all I played around with them in highschool an they taught me some stuff 02:01 < genehackersolder> no 02:01 < genehackersolder> I'm a student 02:02 < Trooem> cool ok 02:03 < katsmeow-afk> unless lure them with sex, complete this and you get a young hot teacher with great jugs.. maybe then. <<== so lesbians too, eh? what about the str8 women? 02:03 < genehackersolder> heck I had to do homework in a 2d immersive environment for this one class 02:03 < genehackersolder> errr... it was somewhat immersive 02:04 < Trooem> kats: we'll give them choices with their sexual preference. it would be a large online pimping network. people would say, screw school. 02:04 < katsmeow-afk> ok 02:05 < Trooem> haha you guys are wacky. 02:05 < Trooem> what are your ages if you dont mind me asking 02:05 < Trooem> im 25. 02:05 < katsmeow-afk> 53 02:06 < Trooem> on my prime, about to become a boxing champion. 02:06 < Trooem> ROFL 02:06 < Trooem> yup a boxing champion. 02:06 < Trooem> what 53? really? 02:06 < katsmeow-afk> really 02:07 < genehackersolder> I'm VARIABLE UNDEFINED years old 02:08 < Trooem> thats unexpected. sir............ 02:08 < katsmeow-afk> genehackersolder, he cannotmake so much fun of you that way 02:08 < katsmeow-afk> sir? 02:08 < Trooem> ma'am? 02:08 * katsmeow-afk nods 02:08 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit ["http://quassel-irc.org - ????????????? ??????. ?????."] 02:09 < Trooem> ok :) sorry i had thought everyone here was just students and all that. better watch my manners :P 02:09 < Trooem> wow kanzure. you really spread out your network man.... 02:10 * Trooem is shutting up, and halted joking around. 02:11 < katsmeow-afk> sorry you cannot enjoy working here 02:12 < randallagordon> I'm not a student, I dropped out and started freelancing :P 02:12 < Trooem> i can get used to being serious. people around marketing always jokes about... adult stuff and all that... 02:12 < randallagordon> You won't offend me Trooem 02:12 * randallagordon enjoys adult stuff and all that... 02:12 < Trooem> that's cool. i'll keep that in mind and try and offend you randall... 02:13 < Trooem> i'm kidding :P 02:13 * randallagordon accepts the challenge ;) 02:13 < katsmeow-afk> people joke in here too, but not like teenagers 02:13 < genehackersolder> I'm from the internet I don't get offended easily, but please let's stay on useful topics 02:13 < QuantumG> I'm from the internet, I'm just here to put captions on your cats. 02:14 < Trooem> my mind stunted when i was 17. i can't help but talk stupid like a teen. :P 02:14 < QuantumG> knew there was a reason you went to marketing... zing! 02:15 < Trooem> and there you go. bingo. :PPPPPPPP 02:15 < Trooem> hey we can't all be advanced mathematicians or phycists~ 02:15 < Trooem> you shall all one day... need me. 02:15 < Trooem> mwa hahahahahaha 02:17 < randallagordon> marketing is a useful tool, too ;) 02:18 < Trooem> think of it this way. you made the world's greatest gadget or something like that. without marketing/adverting, people don't know where it is... 02:18 < Trooem> but then again, if you did make the world's greatest gadget you get free press so... 02:18 < Trooem> never you mind. got something little less than that, i can spread the word :)))))) 02:18 < Trooem> so err... 02:18 < Trooem> randalla 02:18 < Trooem> you a women? 02:19 < QuantumG> even with free press, you still need marketing 02:19 < randallagordon> lol, yes, those of us with sub-greatest gadgets are in dire need ;) 02:19 < randallagordon> um...no...that would be Randall A. Gordon :P 02:19 < randallagordon> perhaps I should use the caps, heh 02:19 < Trooem> i see. now you're offended. ba zing!!! 02:19 < Trooem> Randalla. 02:19 < randallagordon> oh, very, very offended 02:19 < genehackersolder> KNOW YOUR PLACE MARKETING DRONE 02:20 < QuantumG> droid 02:20 < randallagordon> Randella is my drag name 02:20 < katsmeow-afk> Trooem, why would he be offended to be awoman? i am not 02:20 < ybit> margaret chief is my pr0n name 02:20 * ybit takes it to the bed 02:20 < Trooem> gene: come on, just getting aquainted :P 02:20 < randallagordon> chief? really? ;) 02:21 < Trooem> kats: i mean he's offended because he's a man. he wouldn't be if he was a woman haha.. :) 02:21 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, you just had tobrag, didn't you? 02:21 < Trooem> if i call a woman a man then yes, that would be a offense :) 02:21 < Trooem> so ybit is a women... 02:22 < randallagordon> w00t, just signed a deal to become a Clear WiMAX dealer 02:22 < Trooem> margaret... got it. 02:23 < randallagordon> Trooem, find me a market, snap to it! 02:23 < Trooem> randalla: what are you selling, snap it off! 02:23 < Trooem> err snap out of it. 02:23 < Trooem> damn i suck with this language. 02:24 < randallagordon> I'm selling Clear's WiMAX services ;) 02:24 < Trooem> is that real estate? 02:24 < randallagordon> lol, not Remax 02:24 < Trooem> oh ok 02:24 < genehackersolder> that clear stuff sucks 02:25 < randallagordon> 10Mbps/2Mbps in motion sucks? 02:25 < genehackersolder> no 02:25 < katsmeow-afk> i don't trust wimax i can't see 02:25 < genehackersolder> I live in a bubble of no signal 02:25 < randallagordon> WiMAX is a form of cellular internet access 02:25 < randallagordon> mobile internet, for non-geeks 02:26 < randallagordon> I live in Oregon, one of Clear's hotbeds 02:26 < katsmeow-afk> uh oh, he is explainingit to us now 02:26 < genehackersolder> I know what it is, I just happen to live in a bubble in the coverage map 02:26 < genehackersolder> errr, now at least 02:26 < randallagordon> Trooem didn't know 02:26 < katsmeow-afk> and i was playing on "Clear" 02:26 < randallagordon> I was explaining it to him 02:26 < Trooem> i had no idea 02:27 < Trooem> i guess than this is for, mobile computing market... 02:27 < genehackersolder> wifi is so ubiquitous at my uni I have no need for mobile internet too 02:27 < randallagordon> For the most part, although they do target fixed computers as well 02:27 < genehackersolder> err it is mobile internet 02:28 < Trooem> sub-niche would be... people from national geographics or travellers, tourists, global porn actors, and street fighters.. 02:28 < randallagordon> There are two standards, one for mobile, one for fixed 02:28 < katsmeow-afk> many places cannot/willnot upgrade the last mile, so wireless might beat cable or telco 02:28 < genehackersolder> actually how fast did you say that clear stuff is? 02:29 < genehackersolder> is it fast enough for realtime encrypted video transmission? 02:29 < katsmeow-afk> we did not get dsl here until mobile was sold by competition, even tho the dsl was out here, and not turned on 02:29 < Trooem> now i just find the most searched terms associated with these niches, and advertise the heck out of it, and you're in business. 02:29 < Trooem> :P 02:30 < randallagordon> I've seen speed tests coming out of Portland pulling 10/2 02:30 < katsmeow-afk> randal, one user per tower, up close? 02:30 < randallagordon> But P-town's WiMAX network I'm sure is...unique...being that it has the benefit of being Intel's WiMAX testbed 02:30 < Trooem> good gawd that's fast... 02:31 < randallagordon> I've got no details to back that, just a hunch...I'm sure Intel would want the latest gear on the towers for testing... 02:31 < katsmeow-afk> 10 isn't so fast if 50 people get on it 02:31 < Trooem> i shall invest in clearwire stocks. 02:31 < randallagordon> I'm eager to get some equipment and start doing my own tests 02:32 < randallagordon> ...the backhaul is fiber 02:32 < genehackersolder> and can I get a nice tiny low poer transceiver that will talk to something like a beagleboard? 02:32 < katsmeow-afk> that wouldbe nice 02:33 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:33 < randallagordon> You can use your WiMAX connection as a backhaul for, say, an in-car WiFi network 02:33 < katsmeow-afk> AT&T leases usb transcivers here for whatever protocolthey are using 02:33 < randallagordon> HSPA 02:33 < genehackersolder> what's the max velocity at which you can still use clear networks? 02:33 < genehackersolder> does it exceed the speed of sound? 02:34 < randallagordon> lol, no idea 02:34 < katsmeow-afk> sped of sound duringhandoff even? 02:34 < Trooem> www.wimax.com 02:34 < genehackersolder> if it's below the speed of sound then it may no be such a good idea to use wimax to control a UAV over the internet 02:35 < katsmeow-afk> gene, use a propellor, not a jet engine 02:35 < Trooem> the website is bidding on paid keywords such as: 02:35 < Trooem> 10 utah wireless isp (Sep-09) 02:35 < Trooem> 14 the ropes (Oct-08) 02:35 < Trooem> 13 rope course (Jul-08) 02:35 < Trooem> 9 802.16 wimax (Jun-08) 02:35 < Trooem> 2 1xevdo (Jan-08) 02:35 < Trooem> 9 wimax products (Mar-07) 02:35 < Trooem> 9 wimax equipment (Mar-07) 02:35 < Trooem> 1 lmds equipment (Jun-06) 02:35 < Trooem> 1 802.16e (Jun-06) 02:35 < Trooem> 3 802.16 equipment 02:35 < Trooem> ooooooooo whatever they are. 02:35 < katsmeow-afk> "the ropes" ?? 02:36 < genehackersolder> I'm just wonder if wimax controlled rockets could be possible.... 02:36 < Trooem> and these are your competitions randall: 02:36 < Trooem> wimax-industry.com 02:36 < Trooem> wimaxforum.org 02:36 < Trooem> wcai.com 02:36 < Trooem> dailywireless.org 02:36 < Trooem> bbwexchange.com 02:36 < Trooem> apertonet.com 02:36 < Trooem> 80216news.com 02:36 < Trooem> wimaxnetnews.com 02:36 < Trooem> wimaxxed.com 02:36 < randallagordon> woah, buddy, less pasting mass numbers of lines :P 02:36 < katsmeow-afk> http://pastebin.com/ 02:36 < katsmeow-afk> http://pastey.net/ 02:36 < Trooem> sorrrrrrrry 02:36 < katsmeow-afk> or put it al on one line :-) 02:37 < Trooem> ok 02:37 < randallagordon> hehe there ya go...pastebin preferred ;) 02:37 < katsmeow-afk> lots of paste sites, butmarketting says many will fold in 2010 ;-) 02:38 < randallagordon> genehackersolder, I'll test that out for ya ;) 02:39 * Trooem is hungry and is eating... turkey with stuffing. 02:39 < randallagordon> in theory, line of sight connections could allow for some pretty insane applications with radio controlled flight... 02:39 * katsmeow-afk thnks she will goto bed, since it's 2:40am and real life needs doing tomorrow 02:40 < randallagordon> I do intend to rig up one of my RC trucks with a camera and WiMAX goodness 02:40 < randallagordon> prolly gonna have to finally step up to a brushless motor ;) 02:40 < randallagordon> miniITX + USB modem 02:40 < genehackersolder> excellent 02:40 < randallagordon> adds a bit of weight 02:40 < randallagordon> but, I'm game to make it work 02:41 < randallagordon> teehee, it would be fun to use a Wii remote and a pan & tilt base to do some headtracking :D 02:42 < genehackersolder> but with the high data transmission rate you could send out high resolution commands and back high res video 02:42 < randallagordon> oh boy, now you've got me thinking...this is dangerous 02:42 < genehackersolder> just don 02:42 < genehackersolder> 't let the wrong people know about it 02:42 < randallagordon> why do I suddenly see myself running RC cars around downtown Corvallis? lol 02:43 < Trooem> hey guys, can you get high res images from a pan and tilt button camera? enough to read texts? 02:43 < randallagordon> depends on the camera 02:43 -!- genehacker2 [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:43 < Trooem> so the technology exists out on the market. cool 02:44 < randallagordon> Most of your major camera makers have HD pan & tilts for studio installs 02:44 < randallagordon> a lot of talk and news shows seem to be moving that direction 02:44 < ybit> kanzure: certainly, send the mods my way 02:44 < randallagordon> Sony, Panasonic, etc 02:44 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: :) 02:45 < genehacker2> are they small enough to fit on a radio control car? 02:45 < randallagordon> hehe, negative 02:45 < genehacker2> argh 02:46 < randallagordon> But this dude is: http://www3.elphel.com/ 02:46 < ybit> kanzure: i'd be interested in knowing what bay area hackerspaces are focusing on diy longevity 02:46 < genehacker2> is wimax spread spectrum? 02:46 < randallagordon> I can easily rig up some servos for P&T 02:46 < genehacker2> yeah 02:47 < randallagordon> I believe so 02:47 < randallagordon> again, my low-level radio knowledge is...lacking 02:47 < genehacker2> pan and tilt should be fairly simple 02:47 < kanzure> ybit: http://livly.org/ for one 02:48 < randallagordon> just use the data from the Wii remote to control the servos... 02:48 < randallagordon> yet another reason to spend time in my cockpit: http://picasaweb.google.com/randallagordon/SnapsAndScreens#5226428108212021666 02:49 < genehacker2> heh that'll do 02:49 < randallagordon> finally an excuse to pick up a Fanatec wheel too! ;) 02:49 < randallagordon> (as if I needed one) 02:50 < genehacker2> you might use a gps and have said truck go to waypoints if control is too laggy 02:50 -!- genehackersolder [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:51 < Trooem> wow randall great photos man 02:51 < genehacker2> OR do what some of the mars rover prototypes did and use 2 cameras and use a space mouse to move a 3d cursor to the location you want the truck to move too 02:51 < genehacker2> *to 02:51 < randallagordon> hehe, which ones are you looking at? 02:52 < randallagordon> I'd rather be driving ;) 02:52 < Trooem> the one with the gun pointed and the sceneries. 02:52 < Trooem> that's not a real gun is it. LOL 02:53 < randallagordon> it is, but not loaded ;) 02:53 < randallagordon> not even any ammo in the studio, lol 02:54 < Trooem> wow cool 02:54 < Trooem> of all the pictures to look at, i clicked on a random image blank staring into the monitor 02:54 < randallagordon> .22 revolver 02:54 < Trooem> and a person points a gun at me. ahahahaha 02:54 < randallagordon> lol nice 02:55 < Trooem> you guys are like DIY magicians. whats next? DIY nuclear reactor? 02:55 < genehacker2> eww gross you have mono 02:55 < genehacker2> been done before 02:55 < genehacker2> Radioactive Boyscout, etc, etc 02:57 < randallagordon> Trooem, boring, that's been done 02:57 < Trooem> haha :P 02:57 < randallagordon> although I'm being sarcastic on the boring part 02:58 < Trooem> us Canadians really need to catch up on the information age. DIY everything :P 02:59 < genehacker2> randallagordon, so I heard you liek street racing? 02:59 < genehacker2> initial d? 02:59 < randallagordon> I used to a long while ago, I've grown out of it though 02:59 < randallagordon> and where did you hear this? :P 03:00 < genehacker2> just a random guess based on a choice of your car... 03:00 < randallagordon> ah 03:00 < randallagordon> I like drifting, but Initial D's popularity annoys me thanks to all the posers 03:00 < randallagordon> I was holding top 250 overall rank on Forza 3's drift standings 03:01 < randallagordon> Prolly back above 1000 at this point 03:01 < genehacker2> I wonder if you could make a program that could play that game for you and get a perfect rank 03:01 < randallagordon> As for real life drifting, that AE86 hasn't ever been driven by me yet 03:02 < randallagordon> if you knew what you were doing, yes, I'm sure you could 03:02 < randallagordon> it needs some love in the form of a new engine and rear end 03:02 < randallagordon> I love drifting my Jeep XJ on gravel, though :D 03:02 -!- jm|earth [n=j@p57B9D65A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:02 * genehacker2 sleeps 03:03 * Trooem is done relaxing. back to work. chop chop... 03:20 -!- jm [n=j@p57B9CEDA.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Connection timed out] 03:20 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 03:23 < randallagordon> kanzure, just had a chance to go through the tutorial 03:25 < randallagordon> I'm with Jay, the YAML section doesn't provide much for motivation as to why it is important...I think that is going to be a recurring theme for documenting this project, there will need to be sets of documentation for the developers of SKDB itself, for package creators, for people who want to combine packages to create more complex packages and also for people who just want to put it to use (this last case likely not be 03:26 < randallagordon> As for what I think would be a truly engaging tutorial, show a complete SKDB n00b how to put these lego blocks together...so we've created one with 1000 pegs...great for a humorous stab, but now let's build a simple lego object 03:27 -!- genehacker2 [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:35 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:43 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 03:47 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:57 -!- genehackersolder [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:18 -!- flamt [n=root@70.50.178.195] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:21 -!- flamt_ [n=root@bas2-barrie18-1176374559.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:35 -!- genehackersolder [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:47 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:31 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 06:36 -!- ve [n=a@vortis.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:44 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-50-79.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 07:04 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:16 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- Iocus [n=opera@24.42.127.171] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:39 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-4-192.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:07 -!- Iocus [n=opera@24.42.127.171] has left #hplusroadmap [] 11:21 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-4-192.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 11:43 < kanzure> hello elmom 11:46 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:55 < kanzure> http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/49787/title/From_fringe_to_electromicrobiological_mainstream 11:55 < kanzure> http://sciencenews.org/view/feature/id/41637/title/Live_Wires 11:55 < kanzure> "that a bacterium could actually have its enzymes on the outside of the cell and communicate with the environment electrically." 11:56 < kanzure> geobacter, Shewanella, derek lovley 11:56 < kanzure> QuantumG: i figure this is relevant to your interests? 12:01 < kanzure> Electricity production by Geobacter sulfurreducens attached to electrodes http://www.geobacter.org/publications/12620842.pdf 12:01 < kanzure> Bug juice: harvesting electricity with microorganisms http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zag/env_min/downloads/lit/Lovley_2006Nature_Review_Microbiology_4.pdfzag 12:01 < kanzure> oops 12:02 < kanzure> http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zag/env_min/downloads/lit/Lovley_2006Nature_Review_Microbiology_4.pdf 12:06 < kanzure> http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2009/12/7/152155/893 Perl, sed, grep, gawk, uniq, host and dig: another look 12:07 < kanzure> huh some ISPs blatantly block entire countries? 12:09 < kanzure> internet malicious activity map http://www.team-cymru.org/Monitoring/Malevolence/maps.html#hilbert 12:10 < kanzure> ooh also with video http://www.team-cymru.org/visualizations/compromised_map/recent.mpg 12:58 < ybit> http://www.uni-tuebingen.de/zag/env_min/downloads/lit/Lovley_2006Nature_Review_Microbiology_4.pdf 12:58 < ybit> 404 12:58 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 12:59 < kanzure> ybit: my bad. http://designfiles.org/papers/Bug%20juice%20-%20harvesting%20electricity%20with%20microorganisms.pdf 13:00 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:01 -!- genehackersolder [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- genehackersolder [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 14:40 < kanzure> the startup library http://garry.posterous.com/the-startup-library-613-page-downloadable-pdf 14:50 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:54 < kanzure> hey Kuro_ 14:54 < Kuro_> Hello. 14:55 < kanzure> anything new? 14:58 < Kuro_> Doesn't seem to be.Monitoring the usual news sites, but nothing's come up that we don't already know about. 15:16 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-67-189-77-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:21 < MrClif> Howdy... Does anyone know of that MIT project for a Small PCB mill? 15:22 < MrClif> They had some nonworking demos at Maker's at the last faire. 15:26 < Kuro_> I heard about it, but can't seem to find any pages on it. 15:27 < drazak> http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/mtm_az/index.html 15:27 < drazak> first google 15:28 < MrClif> I gogeled mit circuit board router, but didn't find it oh well. ;-) 15:28 < MrClif> Thanks. 15:29 < MrClif> However I did find this: http://web.mit.edu/kumpf/www/projects/PCBMill/index.html 15:29 < Kuro_> Damn, should've googled more myself. Thanks. 15:30 < MrClif> Uses 6 steppers in pairs for three axis. 15:39 < drazak> MIT people crack me up 15:41 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]"] 15:42 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-67-170-144-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 15:49 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:54 -!- rmadams [n=rmadams@96.241.54.151] has quit ["Leaving."] 17:07 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-4-192.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:07 < thesnark> bon soir 17:08 < kanzure> hello thesnark~ 17:23 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-67-189-77-5.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 19:52 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:15 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [] 20:18 < technologiclee3> did anyone get an Opera friend request from PCGeeks? 20:33 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-60-59.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:05 < kanzure> http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu:3000/ ? 21:09 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:28 < technologiclee3> http://nanoengineer-1.com/content/index.php?id=44&option=com_content&task=view 21:30 < technologiclee3> looks good - i registered for openpario 21:31 < technologiclee3> it shows Appropedia and Open Source Ecology there 21:32 < technologiclee3> it also has the equipment from FatorE Farm 21:33 < technologiclee3> shall I make a new project? 21:33 < kanzure> i don't know what michael is trying to do there. it looks like a crummy project management site 21:35 < technologiclee3> well find a good one 21:35 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:46 -!- Redeemer [n=lorddeem@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:58 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-60-59.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:05 -!- genehackersolder [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:06 < genehackersolder> kanzure so I'm having trouble with sympy 22:06 < kanzure> what's wrong? 22:06 < genehackersolder> apparently the module didn't install 22:07 -!- genehackersolder is now known as genehacker 22:07 < genehacker> is sympy compatible with python version 3? 22:08 < kanzure> you shouldn't be using v3 anyway 22:08 < kanzure> just use 2.6 22:08 < genehacker> why? 22:08 < kanzure> because 3 isn't ready yet 22:08 < genehacker> argh how do I downgrade? 22:09 < genehacker> 2.6.4? 22:10 < kanzure> just install 2.6.4 22:10 < genehacker> ok 22:10 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:11 < genehacker> also trying to get pygame to work too because I found a good book to learn python using pygame 22:12 < kanzure> are you on linux? 22:12 < kanzure> sudo apt-get install python-pygame python2.6 22:13 < genehacker> no unfortunately 22:14 < genehacker> using laptop in long battery life mode 22:15 < genehacker> nifty I can use both python 2.6 and 3.0 22:19 < genehacker> IT WORKS 22:19 < genehacker> woo! 22:20 < genehacker> err... 22:21 < genehacker> the GUI doesn't work... 22:23 < genehacker> it does 22:23 < genehacker> nvm 22:24 -!- EmbraceUnity_ [n=quassel@c-76-16-96-22.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:30 -!- nchaimov_ [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:31 < technologiclee3> i think python 3 will not be used much, people are moving to 3.1 22:32 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:32 < genehacker> so why did I learn so much about ver 3? 22:33 < technologiclee3> almost all of it is valid - they just made some tweaks - this is according to comp.lang.python mailing list - i'm looking for the official reference 22:37 < technologiclee3> and it is backwards incompatible - i guess they will all always be available tho http://www.python.org/download/releases/3.1/ 22:40 < technologiclee3> heres a bit about the differences http://www.rhinocerus.net/forum/lang-python/604453-moving-python-2-python-3-4-page-cheat-sheet.html 22:41 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:45 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 22:46 -!- nchaimov_ [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:47 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 23:23 < ybit> avatar was nice 23:23 < kanzure> thought it was sold out 23:24 < ybit> i just went to watch it with a girlfriend that came in town 23:24 < ybit> er, girl friend? 23:24 < QuantumG> gal pal 23:25 < ybit> reminds me too much of a fuck buddy 23:25 < QuantumG> jaffa 23:25 < ybit> anyway, makes you want to work on skdb harder so you can see a planet like that. 23:26 < QuantumG> I spent 15 minutes today thinking about ftl 23:26 < QuantumG> "nope, still don't know how to do it" 23:46 < randallagordon> kanzure, did you catch my comments on the tutorial? 23:48 < kanzure> yep 23:48 < randallagordon> ybit, agreed, re: avatar 23:48 < kanzure> they will be incorporated soon 23:49 < randallagordon> cool, I managed to get in a fight with my box around 5 this morning, so I missed logging a bunch, wasn't sure if you had replied, figured I'd make sure you saw it