--- Day changed Sat Jan 02 2010 00:04 -!- Aliks [n=a@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:21 < genehacker> oh almost forgot, remind the people going to the meeting about the sparkfun free electronics deal(Jan 8th $100 worth of free stuff for the first 1000 people to claim it), we might want to pool resources to get a bunch of sweet loot for something hackerspacey 00:23 < genehacker> say RFID readers and chips for an entry system 00:35 < bkero> Can I claim it from Oregon? 00:38 -!- Aliks [n=a@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 00:59 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 01:08 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:39 -!- technologiclee4 [n=l@70.114.201.242] has quit ["Leaving."] 02:03 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:33 < randallagordon> bkero, where in Oregon are you? 02:33 < randallagordon> I'm in Lebanon 02:56 < bkero> randallagordon: Corvallis 04:01 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:09 < genehacker> sure claim it anywhere 04:18 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:19 < Aliks> hello 04:30 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 05:11 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 06:34 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:43 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:46 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:40 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:46 < kanzure> does anyone have a favorite datasheet for an electronics part? 09:08 < kanzure> someone should figure out a way to efficiently use a mechanical turk to type up electronics datasheets. $1/page maybe? 09:09 < kanzure> or just parse the PDFs directly- i saw some python once that did this, but it was only for atmel.com datasheets, and it looked old/broken so it had to be updated anyway 09:09 < kanzure> but if most data sheets follow the same format (from a particular supplier) then it should be possible to write up a parser 09:14 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:17 < kanzure> someone needs to pirate this: http://www.comsol.com/conference/cd/ 09:25 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:26 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 09:34 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throat_singing 09:42 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-4-192.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:47 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-4-192.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 10:50 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-72-8.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:56 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:57 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:19 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:20 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:34 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 11:57 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:04 -!- KrisC [n=Kris@207-172-233-39.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroaDMAP 12:06 < KrisC> hello all 12:06 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]"] 12:18 < KrisC> I 12:20 < KrisC> I'm considering exploring step file format. Kanzure's dislike of meshes in lieu of solid geometry had me looking for differences 12:22 < KrisC> STEPs distincion as the biggest ISO standard really turns me off. I've been worrying about material metadata in my STLs 13:06 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:07 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:15 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 13:27 -!- KrisC [n=Kris@207-172-233-39.c3-0.eas-ubr3.atw-eas.pa.cable.rcn.com] has quit ["Leaving"] 13:57 < randallagordon> kanzure, did you see the question I asked yesterday? "is there any specific CNC and other fab equipment you're aiming to make SKDB work with? I assume the idea is to make it universal, so packages can define what equipment is necessary, but I'd also guess you have some "endorsed" equipment in mind?" 13:58 < randallagordon> I'm looking to buy or build a router table, so if I can get/build something that I can use to benefit forwarding SKDB, I shall 13:59 < randallagordon> Seriously considering a ShopBot at the moment 14:12 -!- thesnark [i=thesnark@ne100211.ni.utoledo.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:13 -!- thesnark [i=thesnark@ne100211.ni.utoledo.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 14:17 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:18 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:20 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-72-8.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 14:24 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:33 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:34 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:51 -!- thesnark [n=michael@michael-laptop.ni.utoledo.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:44 -!- thesnark [n=michael@michael-laptop.ni.utoledo.edu] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:18 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:24 < randallagordon> Hey Aliks 16:26 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 17:06 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-72-8.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:30 < kanzure> KrisC: can you explain what's wrong with STEP? 17:31 < kanzure> randallagordon: if you're going to build a router table, i suggest http://mechmate.com/ since i have one and will be able to work with it 17:32 < kanzure> randallagordon: i don't have a shopbot so if you get one, i'm not going to necessarily know everything about it :) but i can make guesses 17:34 < El_Matarife> Suggestion: Joe 17:34 < El_Matarife> Joes' CNC is a MUCH easier first build since it requires no welding 17:35 < El_Matarife> The mechmate is better for commercial use and more robust, but it does cost significantly more 17:38 -!- Netsplit verne.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: QuantumG 17:40 < kanzure> El_Matarife: link? 17:41 < El_Matarife> http://www.joescnc.com/ 17:41 < El_Matarife> Maybe $2,000 or less for a full build 17:41 < El_Matarife> Lots of mods and an active user community on his forum 17:41 < kanzure> looks like he just offers PDF files 17:42 < kanzure> for $100 USD 17:42 < kanzure> wtf 17:42 < kanzure> someone needs to torrent that shit 17:42 < El_Matarife> The files are tagged with your name 17:42 -!- Netsplit over, joins: QuantumG 17:42 < kanzure> El_Matarife: it's easy to remove those tags 17:42 < El_Matarife> He's not making any huge amount of money, I've met the guy 17:43 < kanzure> randallagordon: i highly recommend you make an open source cnc machine or router table, if anything 17:43 < El_Matarife> He's just trying to offset his costs for the most part 17:43 < randallagordon> I certainly intend to 17:43 < kanzure> El_Matarife: although i do like that he's selling kits. good for him :) 17:44 < randallagordon> I'm thinking the ShopBot provides a ready made solution, which I can then use to make parts for all the various projects that are available so I can directly weigh the pros & cons of each 17:44 < El_Matarife> His first gen machine is open source now, I assume the current 4x4 hybrid will be after he finishes designing the rack & pinion 4x4 with rotary axis 17:44 < randallagordon> I'd love to have several, especially for testing purposes, re: SKDB 17:44 < El_Matarife> There's a lot of other commercial options, namely EZ-Router and K2 CNC 17:44 < kanzure> shopbot costs a few $10k 17:44 < El_Matarife> The EZ-Router guys are pretty great from what I understand 17:44 < randallagordon> We're budgeting $60k for our project, so that isn't an issue 17:45 < kanzure> who is we? 17:45 < kanzure> is it your local hackerspace? 17:45 < randallagordon> My partner...we're investigating also opening a hackerspace once we get the equipment 17:45 < kanzure> okay 17:45 < kanzure> well, shopbot will do the trick 17:45 < randallagordon> But we're needing it for making store fixutres and POP displays 17:45 < El_Matarife> I keep having to specify "my BUSINESS partner" lol 17:46 < El_Matarife> saying "my partner" makes you sound gay these days 17:46 < kanzure> not in here 17:46 < randallagordon> So we need something that is quite mature "out of the box" since there will be non-geeks using the equipment 17:46 < kanzure> randallagordon: i see. shopbot is definitely out-of-the-box 17:46 < randallagordon> Myself, I'd not hesitate to start with a MechMate...if I were building it in my garage, that's exactly what I'd go for 17:46 < kanzure> and i hear there's a big shopbot mod(ifier) community 17:47 < randallagordon> There deifnitely is...they seem to be very OS friendly, if not directly OS 17:47 < kanzure> i'd ask martyn when he shows up in here again. i'm sure he's played with a shopbot before. 17:47 < kanzure> randallagordon: ted hall (founder of shopbot) is on the openmanufacturing list, by the way 17:47 < randallagordon> I intend to snag the 3D scanner probe and lathe attachments as well 17:47 < kanzure> and i'm sure he'd love to plug shopbot in a public discussion with you on that 17:47 < randallagordon> I noticed that, I was reading through some of the ShopBot related posts on the list 17:47 < kanzure> ah good 17:48 < kanzure> again the only downside is that we can't put a shopbot *into* skdb 17:48 < randallagordon> Having all the "extras" easily available is the big attraction at the moment 17:48 < kanzure> shopbot will definitely work with skdb 17:48 < kanzure> just won't have the designs "skdberized" 17:50 < randallagordon> What's your opinion of their "open CNC syntax"? OpenSBP? 17:51 < kanzure> haven't ever used it, sadly 17:51 < randallagordon> Think that would be a good "mediator" for SKDB to use to talk to "all" CNC equipment? 17:52 < kanzure> what about gcode? 17:54 < randallagordon> I'm a complete CNC noob until I get my hands on some gear to toy with, so I'm just throwing stuff out there :) 17:54 < kanzure> ah 17:54 < kanzure> gcode has been around "forever" and is the de facto standard 17:55 < kanzure> but i wouldn't mind exporting into both gcode and opensbp 17:55 < randallagordon> From the few blurbs I've read on OpenSBP, it extends beyond the capabilities of gcode? 17:55 < randallagordon> Aye 17:55 < kanzure> nothing against it :) 17:55 < kanzure> not yet, anyway :) 17:55 < randallagordon> hehe, well, I'll let ya know when/if I get one ;) 17:55 < kanzure> jason wohlfahrt took some photos today from our buildout at the austin hackerspace 17:56 < randallagordon> We're certainly going to procure a router of some sort within the year, though 17:56 < randallagordon> Nice 17:56 < El_Matarife> I might have to come down to Austin to see that 17:56 < kanzure> hell yes :) 17:56 < kanzure> with his fancy new HD camera 17:56 < El_Matarife> I was just as a user group meeting and some people were talking about how there's some scripts being written to output g-code from Blender 17:56 < kanzure> don't know where he is right now, i want the photos uploaded 17:56 < kanzure> El_Matarife: noooo 17:56 < kanzure> blender is not a CAD tool 17:57 < kanzure> but you can do STL->gcode, it's true 17:57 < El_Matarife> Yeah but for 3D relief carving it seems like a good starting point 17:57 < kanzure> i wish people would model in CAD and just convert to meshes later 17:57 < kanzure> ok sure 17:57 < kanzure> alright that's better i guess 17:57 < El_Matarife> I don't want to have to go drop $2,000 on Vectric Aspire but I guess I am going to have to do it 17:57 < randallagordon> Use the tool that suits what you're doing :) 17:57 < kanzure> carving is a different application than what i was exdpecting 17:57 < kanzure> El_Matarife: i don't think you should have to 17:57 < El_Matarife> Since open source CAD / CAM is really in its infancy right now 17:58 < kanzure> if you need CAM you should check out http://linuxcnc.org/ 17:58 < El_Matarife> Yeah that's great and all for running a machine 17:58 < kanzure> i think it has some mesh->gcode software too? 17:58 < El_Matarife> But not making the G-code to run a machine 17:58 < kanzure> you sure? 17:58 < El_Matarife> Yeah there's a few open source solutions but the closed proprietary market is really still ahead 17:58 < kanzure> hm.. i need to get an skdb package going for 80-20 17:59 < randallagordon> 80-20? T-slot? 17:59 * kanzure nods 17:59 < kanzure> that's what cubespawn is done out of 18:00 < randallagordon> Right...I need to look more closely at cubespawn 18:00 < El_Matarife> That's good stuff 18:00 < El_Matarife> we're using it for our machine 18:00 < El_Matarife> And I saw some videos of an SUV sitting on some 18:00 < kanzure> http://cubespawn.com/ 18:02 < El_Matarife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztDoZ4VMhpA 18:02 < El_Matarife> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQMcPijGnnA 18:05 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [] 18:05 < randallagordon> hah, nice 18:06 < El_Matarife> I'm 99% sure you could build a shed with the stuff 18:06 < randallagordon> Shouldn't be difficult...just spendy :) 18:07 < El_Matarife> You'd be surprised how cheap it is 18:07 < El_Matarife> Especially when they have refurb sales on eBay 18:07 < randallagordon> Compared to 2x4s? 18:07 < El_Matarife> Well, no because 2x4s cost roughly what a big mac costs each :P 18:07 < randallagordon> ...salvage is another story, I suppose 18:07 < randallagordon> Or, my favorite, cider blocks and PVC 18:08 < El_Matarife> I was at my Home Depot the other day and they had 2x4s for like $3.64 each on 8 or 10 foot lengths 18:08 < El_Matarife> You can't buy LUNCH for that these days 18:08 < randallagordon> Hrmmm...8' here is like $1.88 last I checked, but that was over the summer 18:08 < randallagordon> ...and grade makes a huge difference 18:08 < El_Matarife> Yeah I meant its crazy cheap 18:08 < randallagordon> lumber prices are insanely unstable :) 18:09 < El_Matarife> Also reminds me of a joke during this workshop I went to, someone was up front giving a presentation about how to reorder the cuts in back and some wise ass said "But MDF doesn't have grain" and the hobbyist half of the room DIED laughing 18:09 < kanzure> there hasn't been a good hurricane in a while 18:09 < kanzure> so lumber is cheap for now 18:09 < El_Matarife> Thank god, if you've ever done hurricane cleanup 18:10 < El_Matarife> My partner has grandparents in Jasper TX, he went down to help out after a hurricane and he describes it as one of the worst experiences of his life 18:13 < El_Matarife> Also, another cool thing I heard recently 18:13 < El_Matarife> I went to the woodworking show and one of our local guys has been talking to a sales rep for a Chinese laser manufacturer 18:13 < randallagordon> Are there any mature OS inkjet printer projects that anyone is aware of? Like, say, a MechMate attachment? Everything I'm searching for leads me to POSAM, which, is badass in its own right, but...not what I'm looking for :P 18:14 < El_Matarife> He thinks they could sell industrial lasers in the 45 watt range for $800 to retrofit your existing gantry machines 18:14 < El_Matarife> I told them to sign me up and I'd be the first customer 18:14 < El_Matarife> I don't know about printer heads for a gantry, but you CAN do a plotter bit for your router / spindle 18:15 < randallagordon> The other piece of equipment we're looking at is a Roland SOLJET: http://rolanddga.com/products/printcut/xc540MT/ 18:15 < El_Matarife> http://www.widgetworksunlimited.com/CNC_Plotter_Pen_Bit_p/cnc-pltr_pen_thin.htm 18:15 < randallagordon> I'd love to have 5-axis control of a print head, though...direct print to damn near anything...yummy 18:16 < El_Matarife> Yeah that's pretty nice 18:16 < El_Matarife> I'm hoping someone designs and makes a nice articulated arm for existing gantry machines 18:17 < El_Matarife> The way I look at it, design something open source style, ship it off to China for cheap manufacturing and sell a bulk order of like a container full for like $1000ish a pop to everyone with an existing machine 18:18 < El_Matarife> But there's kind of a chicken and egg effect, there isn't much 5 axis software for the hobbyist market thus far, but that's because there's no hobbyist level 5 axis gear 18:18 < randallagordon> I'm game to write the code 18:18 < El_Matarife> And no one wants to make a hobbyist level 5 axis machine cause there's no software for it 18:18 < randallagordon> I just need cashflow...hence, initial investment in mature equipment to procure said cashflow 18:18 < El_Matarife> I assume you could just fit an airbrush with a really small diameter head to a gantry machine as well 18:19 < randallagordon> Then I'm freed up to do create the tools I need, but don't have 18:19 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:19 < kanzure> hey Aliks 18:19 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:19 < randallagordon> I'm psychotic enough to crack open a $40k printer and retrofit it ;) 18:19 < kanzure> bah 18:20 < randallagordon> Well Aliks didn't stay long, heh 18:20 < randallagordon> kanzure, bah? 18:22 < kanzure> randallagordon: at aliks leaving 18:22 < randallagordon> oh...hah, somehow I thought El_Matarife had said hey to Aliks 18:22 * randallagordon has a broken brain 18:22 < El_Matarife> Nope 18:22 < El_Matarife> Randall, where are you located exactly 18:24 < kanzure> fenn: doesn't emc do 5-axis? 18:25 < randallagordon> exactly...44.48678, -122.86679 18:26 < randallagordon> at somewhere around 200' altitude... ;) 18:26 < randallagordon> Sodaville/Lebanon, Oregon for those who don't want to whip out a mapping tool 18:27 < kanzure> i keep on thinking you're in lebanon proper 18:27 < kanzure> so i've spaced you away in the "located in weird ass locations" 18:27 < kanzure> er *weird ass locations category 18:27 < randallagordon> heh, well, my address is Lebanon, 97355 18:28 < randallagordon> Sodaville is less than a town nowadays *tear* 18:28 < kanzure> (the country) 18:28 < randallagordon> Oh, lol 18:28 < randallagordon> No...not that Lebanon 18:28 < El_Matarife> I have no clue where those are 18:28 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanon 18:28 < randallagordon> If you know where Corvallis is, the home of OSU, then you're close enough 18:28 < randallagordon> I'm on the other side of the valley, half an hour away 18:30 < fenn> yes emc does up to 9 axes, but objects can only move in 6 DOF in physical space anyway, so.. 18:30 < fenn> actually you can change MAX_AXES to whatever, in the code 18:32 < kanzure> jerry rutherford has a full machine shop up in missouri that he wants me to go get wit him later this month 18:33 < kanzure> *with 18:33 < kanzure> fenn: martin has a low opinion of emc, when he's in person 18:33 < kanzure> dunno 18:34 < kanzure> apparently he had a bad experience once and had to throw on a lot of optical encoders to get any good performance out of it 18:40 < kanzure> can't get this song out of my head http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvMmlLlF7mA 18:55 < randallagordon> Not bad 18:56 < randallagordon> Although the chosen illustration immediately made me think of One Week..."Gotta get in tune with Sailor Moon, cuz that cartoon's got those boom anime babes, that make me think the wrong thing." 18:59 < kanzure> it's true, i'm an anime freak. hell even my dad knew the sailor moon theme. 18:59 < randallagordon> This would be one of the tracks I can't get out of my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXBdibTNy08 18:59 < randallagordon> I dig anime, too, don't get me wrong :) 19:00 < randallagordon> Just trigged that thought...I've had Barenaked Ladies on the mind lately (take that as you will) 19:00 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/music/anime 19:00 < randallagordon> Nice 19:00 < kanzure> see parent directory too to further invade my privacy (i kid, i kid) 19:01 < randallagordon> I need to bolster my j-pop and chiptunes libraries...finally got control vinyl to use with my Technics and Traktor...would be fun to spin chiptunes :D 19:01 * randallagordon invades 19:02 < randallagordon> What? The .hack//SIGN theme isn't on your list? :P 19:02 * randallagordon can't remember the name of it or the name of the artist off the top of his head...Seesaw? 19:02 < kanzure> seesaw was the name of the theme to one of the later gundam animes 19:03 < kanzure> oh that was the band 19:03 < kanzure> okay maybe it's the same band 19:04 < randallagordon> Yeah, they're quite popular 19:04 < randallagordon> And have made music for several series 19:05 * randallagordon is scouring his library...one sec 19:05 < randallagordon> Actually, Seesaw has several songs that are used in .hack 19:08 < randallagordon> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8oC-gewurY 19:09 < randallagordon> That's a horrible capture...but...'tis Youtube, what can you expect? 19:10 < randallagordon> Sounds like there's some clipping in the recording :/ 19:12 < randallagordon> ...X10 is the ultimate love/hate relationship...ugh 19:12 * randallagordon throws things at his X10 controller 19:14 * randallagordon needs to find a CM11A and forget about it 19:18 < fenn> El_Matarife: there's some open source CAM here but no 5-axis afaik: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam 19:19 < fenn> doesn't mean a 5 axis machine is useless though 19:19 < fenn> oh.. i think APT might do 5 axis actually 19:20 < fenn> kanzure: "had to throw on a lot of optical encoders" doesn't make sense 19:20 < fenn> was he doing lathe threading? 19:24 < randallagordon> Hah, I must build one...I've got all the parts laying about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z86V_ICUCD4 19:24 < randallagordon> (I'd guess most of us in here have the parts laying about...) 19:24 < kanzure> fenn: yes he was making threads 19:25 < fenn> ah. he just had unrealistic expectations then 19:25 < fenn> i mean that literally 19:25 < fenn> turbocnc lets you turn threads with a 1 pulse/rev encoder, which just doesn't work so well 19:26 < kanzure> it sounded like he was doing more than 1 pulse/rev 19:26 < fenn> you can do it in emc but it's discouraged so it takes some effort to set up (i.e. not a pre-configured option) 19:26 < fenn> then i dunno what the problem was 19:26 < kanzure> anyway it's worth asking him i guess 19:26 < kanzure> but i don't know if he will ever come back in here. i think he hates me. 19:27 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 19:27 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@128.223.174.176] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:28 -!- nchaimov_ [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:33 < fenn> my grandma was watching c-span and rob carlson was on there, along with dean kamen and some other big names 19:33 < kanzure> your grandma spotted rob carlson by face? 19:34 < kanzure> that's one hot ma 19:34 < fenn> no, she just thought it was interesting and wrote down the names 19:35 < randallagordon> "With the VersaUV, you can print a single membrane panel or several." Okay, I want one: http://www.rolanddga.com/products/printcut/lec300/features.asp 19:35 < kanzure> fenn: still, that's pretty cool :) give her a cookie 19:36 < randallagordon> If I get one, membrane panels for channel members, at cost! ;) 19:37 -!- klord [n=klord@70.114.211.130] has quit [] 19:39 < randallagordon> I'm actually trying to get on a list of atendees for a workshop that Roland is putting on for that thing at a local sign materials & equipment supplier...its ability to print textures is highly intriguing, I wan to see it in action 19:44 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@128.223.174.176] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 19:44 -!- nchaimov_ is now known as nchaimov 19:45 -!- Exitil [n=a@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:45 < kanzure> hello Exitil 19:46 -!- aliks3 [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:46 < kanzure> aliks3: do you know exitil? 19:46 < kanzure> he seems to have your IP address 19:48 < Exitil> lol 19:49 < Exitil> I guess I have both computers signed on 19:49 < Exitil> this is my netbook 19:49 < Exitil> Aliks is my larger laptop 19:50 < kanzure> you can share an IRC session across multiple computers 19:50 < kanzure> use 'screen' 19:52 < Exitil> i dont understand "screen" 19:52 * randallagordon needs to get another box built so he doesn't have to virtualize his Linux experience...then 'screen' will be highly useful 19:54 < kanzure> Exitil: it's a program 19:54 < randallagordon> it multiplexes your terminal experience 19:54 < kanzure> was before the time of the internet i think.. or they just decided to name it 'screen' because they're masochists? 19:55 < Exitil> sounds like speaking broken english lol 19:55 < Exitil> "use screen!" "no no, you must use screen!" 19:55 < Exitil> (in Russian accent) 19:56 < kanzure> everything is better with a russian accent 19:56 < randallagordon> lol 19:57 < randallagordon> "in Mother Russia, screen wears you!" 19:58 < kanzure> oh crap, i'm being multiplexed! 20:05 < randallagordon> mmm, multiplextacular 20:06 -!- aliks3 [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:16 < Exitil> Russian women man... 20:35 < randallagordon> Wow...that's an interesting statement when read as "Russian woman man..." 21:04 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:04 < genehacker> hackerspace meeting status? 21:06 < kanzure> went great 21:08 -!- Exitil [n=a@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 21:10 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-36-224.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:15 < kanzure> jerry's milling machine http://www.youngengsales.com/Index550.jpg 21:16 < QuantumG> "Note that the concept of unwinding has been successfully employed in the case of smectic liquid crystals by confinement within treated glass plates. This surface-stabilized ferroelectric liquid crystal technology (SSFLC) has become the basis for the flat-screen television industry and display screens in cameras." 21:16 < QuantumG> uh.. huh 21:18 < ybit> "Bryan: Anytime I do head out there it should be no big deal to pick you up..." 21:18 < ybit> wow, that guy has a lot of confidence 21:19 < kanzure> i live 0.5mi from the shop so he has a pretty good idea of where i live 21:27 < ybit> it was joke lost in translation 21:37 < kanzure> hm another popular query 21:37 < kanzure> "floor space required for automated line in clinical lab" 21:40 < QuantumG> I found some warehouse space for $1k/month without really trying today. That's (painfully) within my budget. I wonder if there's cheaper places available. I'm yet to get a feel for whether or not my desirable location (far away from residential zoning) makes the price go up. 21:41 < QuantumG> and I'd rather be spending the money on hardware.. so I won't be interested until I run out of free space to make lots of noise.. or some other justification comes along. 21:45 * randallagordon enjoys living in the country where he can make as much noise as he likes... 21:45 < QuantumG> how far away is your closest neighbor? 21:46 < randallagordon> fairly close...like 1000'...but he's a machinest and doesn't give a damn, so long as it isn't 3am ;) 21:47 < QuantumG> my wife's grandparents have a farm 21:47 < QuantumG> I intend to hit them up for space 21:47 < randallagordon> Nice 21:47 < QuantumG> their neighbor builds helicopters 21:47 < QuantumG> .. so I'll be having a chat with him too :) 21:48 < randallagordon> very nice :) 21:48 < randallagordon> Where are you located? I'm out in Oregon 21:48 < QuantumG> I'm in Australia. 21:48 < QuantumG> Brisbane. 21:48 < randallagordon> Oh yeah, that's right 21:51 < QuantumG> and yeah, it's not just noise.. it's also safety. 22:31 * bkero watches firefly 22:32 < bkero> Oregon is the place to be. 22:32 * bkero drove through lebanon today 22:36 < Trooem> anybody in California? 22:38 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 22:39 < kanzure> Trooem: yes 22:40 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:19 < QuantumG> http://designfiles.org/papers/Sonoluminescence%20as%20quantum%20vacuum%20radiation.pdf 23:20 < QuantumG> http://designfiles.org/papers/A%20magneto-electric%20quantum%20wheel.pdf 23:20 < QuantumG> I wonder if a link could be made 23:22 < QuantumG> say, what happens if you use a magnetoelectric gas to do sonoluminescence? 23:22 < Trooem> kanzure, you moved to Cali?! 23:23 < Trooem> oh nvm 23:45 * Trooem is doing alright.