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00:45 < ybit>  what does frank forman do?
00:46 < ybit> aka, premise checker (checker@panix.com) and www.panix.com/~checker/ 
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01:17 < kanzure> ybit: frank forman runs around with a cochlear implant iirc
01:19 < timschmidt> he's a cyborg then?
01:19 < QuantumG> have cochlear implants advanced much?
01:21 < kanzure> gah i've spent the last 2 hours running around this weird russian webring
01:21 < kanzure> why do the russians love ICQ so much?
01:21 < QuantumG> so do the asians
01:21 < timschmidt> I'm not sure.  Much of the research is locked behind trade secret, copyright, and DRM.  IOW, they're pretty standard embedded devices with no user hackability.
01:23 < genehacker> the problem is with the connection to the human
01:23 < genehacker> weird russian web ring?
01:23 < genehacker> are you trying to become a spam king, I hear the russian mafia doesn't like people trying to encroach on their spam business
01:24 < QuantumG> reminds me of the "bionic eye" research going on in my state/city
01:24 < timschmidt> you'd think, but not entirely.  A TON of DSP work has to be done on incoming audio.  The implants essentially simulate the entire inner ear, and parts of the ear->brain neural interface in software.
01:25 < QuantumG> nothing like dumping billions into dead-end research like interfacing with the retina.
01:25 < genehacker> I wonder if there are any that will plug into MP3 players...
01:25 < timschmidt> yes
01:25 < genehacker> really?
01:25 < timschmidt> One of the first cochlear implant hacks I ever saw - perhaps 5 years ago - was to add a line-in port.
01:26 < genehacker> have they got any that are capable of emulating the cocktail party effect?
01:26 < QuantumG> yeah, cochlear implants have had line-in standard for years now
01:26 < genehacker> wow
01:26 < genehacker> so there really are cyborgs
01:26 < timschmidt> yup
01:26 < genehacker> with thumps
01:26 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocktail_party_effect
01:27 < QuantumG> I wonder if the bionic eye research will help at all with v1 implants
01:27 < genehacker> v1 implants, version 1 implants or something else?
01:28 < QuantumG> visual area 1 implants
01:28 < timschmidt> I think most of the cocktail party effect happens in the auditory cortex.
01:28 < QuantumG> ya know.. the stuff that isn't happening.
01:28 < timschmidt> So long as the implants provide enough raw data at high enough fidelity, the effect should still take place.
01:28 < genehacker> hmmm... let me dig out one of my books on it that seemed to suggest otherwise
01:30 < genehacker> argh, can't find it
01:30 < genehacker> hearing aid makers want to emulate it, apparently people with hearing problems don't experience it??
01:31 < genehacker> it'd seem like it would be in the auditory cortex too
01:31 < timschmidt> I think hearing aid makers want to emulate it for other reasons - not that people with hearing problems don't experience it.
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01:32 < timschmidt> Like a leg brace for someone who can walk, but not well.
01:33 < genehacker> well if it happens in the auditory cortex then they'd have trouble making that feature into a hearing aid
01:33 < timschmidt> depends on the amount of processing required.
01:34 < genehacker> well if you can't get feedback from the auditory cortex on what to focus on
01:34 < timschmidt> sure
01:34 < genehacker> so do cochelar implants still suck or have they improved?
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01:35 < timschmidt> AFAIK, they still don't approach the fidelity of the inner ear.
01:36 < genehacker> I know
01:36 < genehacker> doesn't much of the problem stem from stimulating one neuron instead of groups of them?
01:36 < genehacker> or does the inner ear do some weird mechanical signal processing stuff that we can't do very well yet
01:37 < timschmidt> both
01:37 < timschmidt> last I read on the subject, there was some new research suggesting that the hairs in the cochlea did some interesting frequency processing.
01:38  * genehacker wonders about doing microfluidic audio signal processing...
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01:38 < timschmidt> IIRC, there was some radio reception research based on it.
01:38 < genehacker> too bad jet amplifiers don't work at low RE
01:39 < genehacker> you mean that each of the hairs is tuned to some frequency or something like that?
01:39 < genehacker> IE only responds at one frequency
01:40 < timschmidt> IIRC, that's the case, but there was some new insight as well.  let me google.
01:40 < superkuh> The hairs themselves do not detect frequency. They detect amplitude at a given frequency as a function of the vibrartion of the basilar membrane which has frequency mapped onto spatial location by acting as a resonating tube.
01:41 < genehacker> ah cool
01:41 < timschmidt> better said that I could have, but that is largely what I meant.
01:41 < genehacker> thanks superkuh
01:42 < superkuh> I don't think variation of response at the hair cell, or protein linkage level, is likely.
01:42 < katsmeow> rows of PLL tone decoders
01:43 < timschmidt> for future reference, home made apfelwein is ridiculously delicious.
01:43 < katsmeow> what's interesting is the brain provided feedback to dampen the hairs, making for the nonlinearity curve seenin human hearing levels
01:43 < genehacker> what's a PLL tone decoder
01:44 < katsmeow> gene, like aLM567 chip
01:44 < genehacker> I'm a mechanical engineer I don't know your electronic voodoo spirit names
01:44 < genehacker> yet at least
01:44 < superkuh> katsmeow: Dampen the hairs? Could you expand on this?
01:44 < katsmeow> it's been noted the feedback can occur in abswence of incoming signal, so a mic placed at the ear can pick up the hairs *sending* audio
01:45 < genehacker> really?
01:45 < katsmeow> superkuh: to reduce amplitude
01:45 < genehacker> link?
01:45 < katsmeow> gene, i can't even search my own db atm
01:45 < genehacker> now the thing to do is to see if this can't be emulated with MEMS...
01:45 < superkuh> Yeah, but ... are you talking about mechanical dampening or changes in the firing behavior of interneurons?
01:46 < genehacker> sounds like mechanical damping if you can hear it with a microphone
01:47 < genehacker> got in papers in your database about this superkuh?
01:47 < superkuh> Maybe. I am entirely ignorant of this specific topic. It sounds very interesting.
01:48 < genehacker> about the inner ear at least
01:49 < superkuh> http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Neuroscience/001-auditory/Two%20mechanisms%20for%20transducer%20adaptation%20in%20vertebrate%20hair%20cells%20PNAS-2000-Holt-11730-5.pdf
01:49 < genehacker> ah cool 
01:50 < katsmeow> Submitted 31 October 2007; accepted in final form 30 January 2008
01:50 < katsmeow> Electrically evoked otoacoustic emissions are sounds emitted from the inner ear when alternating current is injected into the cochlea. Their temporal structure consists of short- and long-delay components and they have been attributed to the motile responses of the sensory-motor outer hair cells of the cochlea. The nature of these motile responses is unresolved and may depend on either somatic motility, hair bundle motility, or b
01:51 < katsmeow> etc
01:52 < katsmeow> superkuh, got  paper on making 256m ddr1 sdram modules look like sram?
01:52 < superkuh> Nope.
01:58 < genehacker> got a technique for making tamiflu at home?
01:59 < superkuh> None that I've tested myself. I discussed it quite a bit with a friend back in 04-06. There's no point anymore, though.
02:00 < genehacker> no point because H1N1 became resitant to it?
02:00 < superkuh> It was not easy to acquire Oseltamiver during those years. Now it is easy to buy.
02:00 < genehacker> oh
02:01 < genehacker> makes sense
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02:57 < timschmidt> hmmm...  just made another steel extruder barrel on the lathe.
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03:41 < QuantumG> timschmidt: your lathe?
04:28 < genehacker> wifi controlled helicopter http://www.parrot.com/parrot-ar-drone/en
04:28 < genehacker> get it working with wimax and you'll freak security people out
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11:21 < timschmidt> QuantumG: I have a sort of middle-sized lathe.  It's a chinese-made 9x20.  There's a couple yahoo groups and lots of webpages about them.
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12:26 < kanzure> octopart.com has expressed an interest in SKDB
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13:05 < timschmidt> woo!  octopart is awesome
13:12 < kanzure> timschmidt: the problem with octopart that i've always complained about is that the datasheets are still PDFs
13:12 < kanzure> so you can't actually search through attributes etc.
13:13 < kanzure> we can use mechanical turk to hire people to type up the data sheets
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13:14 < kanzure> timschmidt: i've been thinking that if we put up a website with a donation button (paypal or somesuch), people would donate to that cause
13:14 < kanzure> if they were specifically hiring a certain number of people to type in certain datasheets
13:14 < kanzure> so as soon as they put in the money, and link to the PDFs on the web, the mechanical turkers will type it up ASAP
13:14 < kanzure> $1/page maybe
13:15 < kanzure> and then just have a queue of pages that are yet-to-be-processed
13:15 < kanzure> i'm sure even some companies would be interested in sponsoring this, as long as everyone has access to the datasheets
13:15 < timschmidt> Most datasheet PDFs don't seem to be all-images.  IOW, they still contain machine-parse-able text.  We can't search them only because octopart is not currently indexing them.
13:16 < kanzure> for supplierst hat have 1k+ datasheets, yes you could write a parser/regex
13:16 < kanzure> *suppliers
13:16 < kanzure> many datasheets do not follow the same format
13:16 < timschmidt> meh.  we can just cat them through pdftotext and index the output.
13:16 < kanzure> per-supplier you're sometimes lucky
13:17 < kanzure> yeah but the output is usually really broken. have you ever tried that? ;-)
13:17 < kanzure> if you have a favorite supplier that hosts a lot of PDFs, i'll write a scraper if you gimme a few links
13:18 < timschmidt> Does it have to be human readable?  I'm not completely up on indexing theory, but it seems like word frequency would count a whole lot more than pretty much anything else.  And an indexer doesn't care if a sentence line breaks half way through.
13:19 < kanzure> fenn: and no i haven't forgotten that you want to do this with the machine handbook
13:19 < kanzure> timschmidt: oh, well i wasn't thinking about sentences actually
13:19 < kanzure> like min/max operating ranges on certain pins
13:19 < timschmidt> ah
13:20 < kanzure> or where (geometrically relative to the chip) each pin is
13:20 < timschmidt> yeah, to extract tables of useful data, one would have to craft a custom parser.
13:20 < kanzure> right
13:20 < kanzure> so each supplier usually has the same format for all of their PDFs.. sometimes ;-)
13:20 < timschmidt> You might be right that for that sort of thing, mechanical turk might work better.
13:20 < kanzure> it's worth trying a parser first i guess
13:21 < kanzure> if you have some favorite PDFs, a few links would be hawt
13:21 < timschmidt> You'd have to turk (verb!) each datasheet several times to reduce error rates.
13:21 < timschmidt> I've only really ever dug into the Atmel datasheets.
13:21 < timschmidt> a few others, but nothing I've cared about enough to save links
13:22 < kanzure> yeah i'm fond of atmel myself (haven't ever used an AVR yet)
13:22 < Kuro_> I think there's a text-recognition script that could be modified for PDF indexing.
13:22 < kanzure> blah let me just get you guys an example
13:24 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/atmel/
13:25 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/atmel/8059S.txt
13:25 < ybit> where are the design files for the mfg open source cnc machine?
13:25 < kanzure> ybit: that's why i'm trying to stalk down jorge.. he owes me a few files hehe
13:26 < kanzure> i have his phone number but want to wait to do a cold call
13:26 < ybit> i've already sent him an email requesting them
13:26 < kanzure> when?
13:26 < ybit> a few mins ago
13:26 < kanzure> good luck
13:26 < kanzure> timschmidt: from looking at the pdftotext output, PA7 is VCC, but it's hard to figure out what everything else is
13:26 < ybit> octopart + skdb would be nice
13:27 < ybit> gnushapus
13:27 < kanzure> PB7 is "reset" i guess
13:27 < kanzure> "D1 D C
13:27 < kanzure> 0˚~7˚ A1 L"
13:27 < timschmidt> kanzure: does pdf2html do any better?
13:27 < kanzure> oh, i think the output is just fine.. it's just a matter of figuring out what the heck the order is
13:28 < kanzure> timschmidt: but here it is anyway: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/atmel/8059Ss.html
13:29 < kanzure> ybit: jason wants to open up a trailer/shop off of s. congress (a street near me) called "Gnusha's 3D Print Shop"
13:31 < kanzure> haha.. "confusion research center" (james choate's proclaimed "hackerspace") has 511 square feet of space
13:32 < kanzure> er forget i said that. i don't want to talk about that guy.
13:37 < ybit> i have officially stalked five people associated with the mfg open source cnc machine and even started a discussion thread on the facebook group, i'm bound to be hear back from someone...
13:38 < ybit> kanzure: ahaha, sounds great
13:39 < ybit> the mascot will need to be changed if you are creating a business with it, since i ripped off several online sources
13:40 < ybit> two primarily
13:40 < kanzure> it's too bad the GNU mascot has no name
13:42 < kanzure> http://www.afar.org/ american federation for aging research
13:43 < ybit> or perhaps you could just get permission from the artists
13:55 < MrClif> Morning... Do you guys have a link to the OS CNC machine?
13:57 < MrClif> Here are some others I've collected: http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/
13:57 < MrClif> http://buildyourcnc.com/default.aspx
13:59 < ybit> MrClif: http://opensourcecnc.blogspot.com/
14:01 < kanzure> MrClif: there are many DIY CNC machines out there, but i have never seen one explicitly licensed as open source
14:01 < MrClif> ah...
14:01 < MrClif> well look at the first link i sent.
14:02 < MrClif> here is one: http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/mtm_az/index.html
14:02 < MrClif> its targeted at PCBs but it is a milling machine.
14:03 < kanzure> doesn't look open source to me
14:03 < kanzure> "Permission granted for experimental and personal use. License for commercial sale available from MIT. "
14:03 < MrClif> opps... oh welll. :-[
14:10 < ybit> eek
14:10 < ybit> "The total cost of the components is to be equal or less than $ 20,000 USD"
14:10 < ybit> the mfg machine
14:10 < MrClif> for the OS CNC?
14:10 < kanzure> for jorge barrera's project
14:11 < MrClif> but thats one Hot green machine...
14:16 < MrClif> I think you'll find that those servo motors are quite expensive.
14:30 < timschmidt> Big CNC machines intended for cutting hard metals - like jorge's - are not cheap.
14:31 < timschmidt> Big motors, very strong and long linear bearings, huge heavy stiff and strong structural elements.
14:33 < timschmidt> I believe the cost of all of these things increases far faster than linearly as any of the various desirable properties increases.
14:36 < ybit> also MrClif http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-CNC/
14:37 < ybit> Phreedom has pointed some important points
14:37 < ybit> (01:29:47 PM) phreedom: traditional cncs don't replicate well
14:37 < ybit> (01:30:15 PM) phreedom: steppers, leadscrews, parts that are larger than the machine itself have to be sourced elsewhere
14:38 < ybit> (01:30:37 PM) phreedom: also even if it could make leadscrews, copies would degrade
14:38 < ybit> (01:32:55 PM) phreedom: also you probably hav already noticed lots of manual labor
14:40 < timschmidt> ybit: although it's a popular misconception, copies don't necessarily degrade.  It is quite possible to use a machine with parts of a given accuracy to produce parts of higher accuracy.  
14:41 < timschmidt> It's not easy, but it's very possible.
14:41 < Phreedom> timschmidt: depends on what you consider "accuracy"
14:42 < Phreedom> if you are referring to lapping, yes
14:42 < Phreedom> try making a leadscrew that's more precise than machine's leadscrews
14:43 < timschmidt> It's not particularly hard.
14:43 < timschmidt> It's not necessarily do-able on a stock CNC machine, but other machinery has no problem.
14:44 < timschmidt> The leadscrew can be geared down, for instance.  Assuming you cut the new screw in one constant cut in the same direction, the gearing would not contribute appreciable backlash.
14:45 < timschmidt> I can cut screws of almost any thread on my lathe for instance, even threads finer than the leadscrew used to drive the cutting tool.
14:46 < Phreedom> timschmidt: I'm talking about things like linearity
14:47 < Phreedom> making a more linear thread that's larger than the machine's working area(which is smaller than the machine's leadscrews) is pretty much impossible
14:47 < ybit> "Hi Heath, the files were turned over to http://www.facebook.com/l/e93cc;mfg.com.  They should be able to provide you with the info you need.  There are a few people from http://www.facebook.com/l/e93cc;mfg.com who belong to the Open Source CNC Machine group (facebook).  I suggest you contact them.  And if there is any help you need... I'll be more than happy to help with what ever I can."
14:49 < timschmidt> Phreedom: I wouldn't say so.  It doesn't take much reading through turn of the century machining manuals to realize that there's a low-tech trick to do just about anything.
14:51 < timschmidt> On top of that...  it's common sense.  We weren't gifted the world's largest machining tool two hundred years ago - from which all machines are descended.  It's very possible to use a small machine to build parts for a larger version of itself...  We've obviously done it before.  it just takes some creativity and a suitably designed machine.  
14:52 < timschmidt> That said, you're probably not going to do this with a bog standard 3 axis CNC router.  But who cares?  The entire act of designing a self-replicating machine is an exercise in thinking outside the box.
14:56 < timschmidt> The working area of a square or rectangular router is certainly capable of containing all of the router's pieces.  Corner-to-corner distance is going to be significantly longer than any of the working axes.
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15:08 < ybit> hrm, errno 111, connection refused at http://www.moonsociety.org
15:09 < ybit> http://www.rbecollective.com/
15:09 < ybit> meh
15:13 < ybit> kanzure: another person for you to stalk: Michelle Wojtaszek Religious Views: humans are silly
15:14 < ybit> supposedly i stalked her awhile back since we are facebook friends :P
15:17 < kanzure> octopart is just 3 people apparently
15:18 < timschmidt> I believe it
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16:35 < fenn> so they are still working on this... http://kokompe.cba.mit.edu/
16:35 < fenn> that is the "f-rep" i was talking about
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16:51 < timschmidt> http://mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/cement/index.html
16:52 < timschmidt> That cast cement CNC chassis looks like a relatively inexpensive way to produce a machine capable of some serious work.
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17:20 < fenn> yep
17:21 < fenn> there are some better designs out there
17:40 < fenn> another gripe about techshop; those "safety and basic usage" classes get expensive!
17:42 < fenn> not to mention you have to go to them
17:43 < QuantumG> <- no access to hardware, stfu
17:46 < fenn> boo hoo
17:47 < fenn> the point of techshop is that it's a buffet
17:49 < QuantumG> ya just sound like an ungrateful whiner.. either go somewhere else or suck it up.
17:49 < fenn> but that's different if it's $50-100 per new tool, and you have to make a date for a class every time
17:51 < QuantumG> so.. you wanna use the machines without training?  I mean, I'm sure if you show up with proof of previous training you could skip it, and if not you'd be within your rights to request a refund and go away.
17:53 < fenn> well i don't plan on signing up to techshop, i'm just collecting reasons why they suck
17:54 < QuantumG> haha.. you're such a dipshit.  It's true what they say, a man who wants to do something will find a way, a man who doesn't will find an excuse.
17:55 < Phreedom> timschmidt: good point about diagonal placement :)
17:57 < Phreedom> timschmidt: there are some designs which have working area = 1/2 of table length and these won't work with diagonal placement
17:57 < Phreedom> more space-efficient designs can probably fit
17:57 < timschmidt> sure
17:58 < Phreedom> so well, if you try hard probably you'll be abl to do it
17:58 < Phreedom> but I wouldn't want to be the one who does it :)
17:58 < timschmidt> right
17:58 < timschmidt> Like I said, it probably wouldn't be easy.
18:04 < timschmidt> It's likely one would have to take a multimachine-like approach, incorporating aspects of several machines into one.  Adding some of the capabilities of a lathe would be an obvious first choice.
18:08 < fenn> hah one of the techshop lathes broke due to member abuse, so "Rather than tackle this job at TechShop, I took the tailstock off and broght it home to my shop, where I knew I had all the equipment and tooling necessary to fix it up."
18:10 < kanzure> heh
18:11  * timschmidt can't wait until my hackerspace has lathes - plural.
18:12 < kanzure> jerry was talking about seeing these giant CNC machines before
18:12 < kanzure> something like 40x30 (feet)
18:12 < kanzure> gear hobbers or something?
18:12 < timschmidt> Have you ever been to IMTS?
18:12 < kanzure> no? what's that
18:13 < fenn> corporate circlejerk session
18:13 < kanzure> anyway i'm in kyle, texas for the next few days, so i'm going to check out jerry's epilog laser cutter
18:13 < kanzure> fenn: oh you mean congress?
18:13 < timschmidt> it's held in Chicago every year.  I went last year.  They had CNC machines big enough to carve a bus out of a solid block of steel.
18:13 < kanzure> fun
18:13 < timschmidt> fenn: sure, but the equipment is a lot of fun to look over
18:13 < kanzure> hm was andres morey in here earlier?
18:13 < kanzure> he's our octopart contact
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18:36 < kanzure> so did anyone else notice octopart's parametric part search?
18:36 < kanzure> i was oblivious to it
18:36 < fenn> i never noticed it
18:37 < kanzure> http://octopart.com/parts/search?q=resistor&js=on
18:37 < kanzure> up at the top above " Results 1-10 of 282,862 for resistor:
18:37 < kanzure> for resistor"
18:37 < kanzure> click on "parametric search" then on "show all"
18:38 < fenn> hmm it killed my firefox
18:38 < kanzure> O.o
18:39 < fenn> well, locked it up for a while, seems to have figured itself out
18:39 < kanzure> apparently they don't do part classification or categories.. just generic "eh it says resistor in the document so it must be a resistor right?"
18:40 < kanzure> i also pitched the "turk it all at $1/page" idea, but andres didn't like it
18:41 < kanzure> at least let users type up the data.. jeebus.
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18:41 < kanzure> http://octopart.com/api/
18:41 < drazak> does nathan mccorkle come on irc?
18:41 < drazak> (ever?)
18:42 < fenn> i've never seen him (afaik)
18:43 < kanzure> i wouldn't mind seeing him in here
18:43 < kanzure> can you drop him the details?
18:43 < drazak> I did
18:43 < drazak> already
18:43 < kanzure> good job, then
18:43 < drazak> I was composing the email when fenn responded
18:44 < drazak> he seems not-retarded
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18:44 < kanzure> hm.. http://octopart.com/api/documentation
18:46 < kanzure> dropout_voltage, forward_voltage, load_capacitance, mated_height, clock_speed, ..
18:46 < kanzure> (under "Part methods")
18:46 < drazak> kanzure: so we're allowed to use everything except transistors for this project at school
18:46 < drazak> it's retarded
18:47 < kanzure> high school still?
18:47 < drazak> I was going to make a timer555 board with transistors (we're not allowed to use ICs(
18:47 < drazak> yeah
18:47 < drazak> science olympiad
18:47 < drazak> also, for some reason I'm not doing cell bio (????)
18:47 < drazak> retarded coaches
18:48 < kanzure> biology people tend to outnumber electronics people, in my experience
18:48 < drazak> it's not even an electronics event
18:48 < drazak> its and event that allows you to use electronics
18:48 < drazak> just... no transistors or ic's
18:48 < kanzure> hm i have a conference call at 6pm and dinner at 6pm
18:49 < kanzure> this will be fun
18:49 < drazak> conference call dinner
18:49 < drazak> :D
18:49 < kanzure> hey does anyone know of a keyboard fan attachment?
18:49 < kanzure> i seem to type better when the keyboard is cold
18:49 < drazak> I applied to rice, I might be in texas next year
18:49 < kanzure> http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2008/07/thankos_cooling_fan_keyboard_cools_your_overheated_wrists-2/
18:49 < kanzure> haha!
18:49 < fenn> welp i guess you could get some vacuum tubes
18:49 < kanzure> "Thanko’s Cooling Fan Keyboard Cools Your Over-Heated Wrists"
18:49 < kanzure> because my hands are on fire 8)
18:50 < kanzure> (i'm kidding- i'd get an external fan before i even thought of buying/building that)
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20:04 < timschmidt> Yay!  Another batch of apfelwein started: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOChgLzw2Xk
20:06 < QuantumG> tim: wish you had cut the sound..  :)
20:08 < timschmidt> sorry.  sensitive mic
20:08 < timschmidt> :-/
20:09 < timschmidt> I'll have to upload the next one with an equally annoying audio track...  perhaps some nickelback.
20:13 < genehacker> NOT NICKELBACK, ANYTHING BUT NICKELBACK
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20:14 < timschmidt> :P
20:15 < timschmidt> kneejerk response to youtube audio track complaint.  Can always be worse.
20:23 < genehacker> I know
20:30 < drazak> longevity project thread sounds retarded
20:33 < QuantumG> maybe with enough time they wont be so stupid (but unlikely)
20:34 < drazak> well
20:34 < drazak> it seems that the proponents are non-biology people, and they seem like they're going to have a hard time getting lab animals
20:35 < QuantumG> through proper channels.. I await poorly produced research done on petshop supplied hamsters
20:35 < drazak> ahah
20:35 < drazak> hamsters are the worst animals for this that I can think of
20:36 < QuantumG> lucky guess then
20:36 < drazak> you can't do IV injections, not easily atleast, IM is a bitch to quantify for stuff like cancer (trust me, we try to do this with our lab hamster)
20:49 < genehacker> http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ol902312m?journalCode=orlef7
20:50 < genehacker> NANODRAGSTERS
20:53 < kanzure> ugh
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21:45 < genehacker> just a reminder, sparkfun's freeday is tomorrow, we might want to pick up some stuff for the hackerspace
21:46 < genehacker> what do you think about picking up some RFID readers and chips for the hackerspace Kanzure?
21:46 < kanzure> how much are the readers
21:46 < genehacker> not much
21:46 < genehacker> ~$25
21:46 < kanzure> each?
21:47 < genehacker> each
21:47 < kanzure> that's kinda lame
21:47 < kanzure> to be honest i do have the money (we have funding now)
21:47 < kanzure> but it still sounds lame
21:47 < genehacker> we don't need money
21:47 < genehacker> it's freeday
21:47 < kanzure> yeah but it's not repeatable
21:48 < kanzure> is there anything else on the list you'd like
21:48 < genehacker> me?
21:48 < kanzure> yes
21:48 < genehacker> I'd like a good gps receiver
21:48 < kanzure> i can write a program to take up all of their stock on freeday
21:48 < genehacker> and an imu
21:48 < kanzure> but i need to know what to order
21:48 < genehacker> awesome
21:49 < genehacker> so here's the deal on freeday
21:49 < genehacker> $100 of free stuff per person
21:50 < genehacker> $100000 of freestuff total
21:50 < genehacker> so 1000 people get freestuff
21:50 < genehacker> or are you already familar with the rules?
21:50 < kanzure> no
21:50 < kanzure> do they do it per address?
21:50 < genehacker> yes
21:51 < kanzure> $100 free stuff per address?
21:51 < genehacker> yes
21:51 < genehacker> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php
21:51 < kanzure> that sucks
21:51 < kanzure> there's no way i'm going to get 1k addresses and names by tomorrow
21:52 < fenn> don't be an ass
21:52 < genehacker> I have two addresses
21:52 < fenn> the sparkfun people are nice
21:52 < genehacker> you have the hackerspace and your apartment
21:52 < kanzure> genehacker: great that's only three
21:52 < kanzure> fenn: ok
21:53 < fenn> that said, i think the rfid readers would be a good thing to have around
21:54 < kanzure> erm. guess there's nothing else i want to get
21:54 < kanzure> can either of you drop some links?
21:54 < genehacker> anyway I really just want a gps receiver
21:54 < genehacker> yup
21:55 < timschmidt> I have three addresses as well
21:55 < genehacker> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8852
21:55 < genehacker> $25 RFID reader
21:56  * fenn looks at the hordes massing in #sparkfun and doubts he'll be able to get any discount at all
21:56 < kanzure> that's why i suggested a scraper :)
21:57 < genehacker> me too
21:57 < fenn> damn i guess $100k doesn't go as far as it used to
21:57 < fenn> hell of an advertising mechanism though
21:57 < genehacker> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8310
21:58 < genehacker> cheapest rfid chip out there
21:58 < kanzure> who would be in on the scraper
21:58 < kanzure> tim?
21:58 < timschmidt> yes
21:58 < genehacker> I'd be in on it
21:59 < kanzure> i hope they don't do it per ip address :)
21:59 < kanzure> oh well there's a way around that too
21:59 < genehacker> would it work better running on a computer with a dammn fast internet connection?
21:59 < kanzure> don't worry.. we have the connections
21:59 < genehacker> I have a helluva of a fast connection here
22:00 < superkuh> What happens to orders after the 100k is used up?
22:00 < genehacker> so now to figure out what gps receiver to buy
22:00 < superkuh> I am ready (http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/clutter/SparkFun%20Electronics%20-%20View%20Cart.mht) but worried.
22:00 < genehacker> no more freestuff
22:01 < kanzure> if sparkfun has done this before then i'd ask in #sparkfun if there's an error message after the free stuff is bought
22:01 < fenn> they actually show what the discount will look like on the order page
22:01 < fenn> so you know if it applied or not
22:02 < kanzure> er *after there is no more freebie goodness left
22:02 < kanzure> ok i need a file to maintain some information
22:02 < kanzure> for the scraper to use
22:02 < kanzure> i need a link to the product pages that you want to include in the order
22:02 < kanzure> and an address, and whatever other information they ask on their current shipping page
22:02 < kanzure> *current order page
22:04 < kanzure> could any of you who want this please give me that information via email?
22:04 < kanzure> hm don't know if i can pull this off.. i have surgery at 7AM tomorrow
22:05 < genehacker> surgery?
22:05 < genehacker> you going to be ok?
22:06 < genehacker> you need a standby team?
22:06 < kanzure> i'll be ok.
22:06 < kanzure> just fyi
22:07 < genehacker> http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/product_info.php?products_id=8975
22:07 < genehacker> this is all I want
22:08 < kanzure> how many
22:08 < genehacker> 1
22:09 < kanzure> ok i need you to email me the link, quantity, and your mailing address, and any other detail that they want from you on the order confirmation pages
22:13 < drazak> kanzure: so how much funding do you have?
22:13 < kanzure> the rules of the funding go like this:
22:13 < fenn> "the order rate is going to be server-limited" haha
22:13 < drazak> don't talk about the funding?
22:13 < kanzure> (1) i am not allowed to reveal how much funding i have
22:13 < kanzure> er wait that was #2
22:13 < drazak> it's fight club! :P
22:13 < kanzure> the real #1 is i am not allowed to reveal who has given me this funding
22:13 < drazak> are you doing the 40x8 trailer things?
22:13 < kanzure> #3 is: i am not allowed to use it on personal living expenses
22:13 < drazak> can't remember what they're called
22:14 < kanzure> shipping containers
22:14 < drazak> yes
22:14 < kanzure> not in the next couple of months
22:14 < fenn> kanzure: surgery is kindof a sucky birthday present
22:14 < drazak> what kind of surgery?
22:15 < fenn> so i am guessing < 5 minute window to place orders
22:15 < timschmidt> probably
22:15 < genehacker> ugh I'm still recoverying from my wisdom teeth removal I had on monday
22:17 < drazak> wtf is a brass sponge for?
22:17 < drazak> never heard of such a thing
22:17 < drazak> assume it has to do with soldering
22:17 < timschmidt> wisdom teeth are odd...  they can be a breeze, or horrible.  I only had a local, drove myself home, filled a prescription on the way, and only took a couple pain meds.  Friends of mine have had basketball-sized heads afterwards.
22:18 < drazak> I kinda like the good ol' sponge
22:18 < genehacker> you mean the shiny golden spongy thing that is awesome for soldering?
22:18 < genehacker> I came to love mine
22:19 < drazak> really?
22:19 < drazak> I like by blue sponge :P
22:19 < ybit> the scraper would have to make sure the freeday discount isn't up before purcashing, you are supposedly told in your cart before checking out. the thing, it's hard to prepare a scraper for this, right, not knowing what method they will be using to let you know
22:19 < drazak> can someone pay shipping for me? :S
22:19 < kanzure> ybit: i think i can pull it off
22:20 < kanzure> my other scrapers are still spamming various forums.. they fuck up their forms all the time trying to stop me
22:20 < genehacker> will you be able to be other scrapers though
22:20 < kanzure> what?
22:20 < genehacker> *will you be able to beat other people's scrapers
22:22 < kanzure> dunno :)
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