--- Day changed Thu Jan 07 2010 00:01 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r ef1cea8 /octopart.py: skdb + octopart => pure win 00:24 < ybit> post abundance :P 00:24 < kanzure> what? 00:25 < ybit> i caught myself saying that, i just thought it was silly 00:28 < genehacker> oh man I just thought of something pure evil 00:29 < kanzure> microsoft windows? 00:29 < genehacker> no initiating a DDOS attack on all people in the sparkfun chat room when freeday begins 00:29 < QuantumG> nice 00:31 < genehacker> hold that thought I need to aquire some blood of the innocents to sacrifice to the demon god bill gates to keep my computer running 00:50 < katsmeow-afk> must they be in sparkfun when buying commences? 00:51 < kanzure> no you just have to have their IP address 00:51 < kanzure> and assume that it doesn't change within the next few hours 01:04 < ybit> hrm 01:04 < ybit> what material is this made out of http://media.photobucket.com/image/the%20most%20futuristic%20architecture/epiac1216/DubaiOpera.jpg 01:05 < ybit> or this http://mrshara.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/the-most-futuristic-house1.jpg 01:05 < ybit> or this http://paprikalab.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/md1.jpg 01:05 < ybit> http://www.softsailor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/unstudio-burnham-pavilion-01.jpg 01:05 < ybit> this stuff looks uber cool 01:18 < ybit> http://sourcing.community.mfg.com/category/industry 01:19 < ybit> i found that somewhat interesting 01:24 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:47 < timschmidt> ybit: probably many different materials. All painted. :-/ 01:49 < timschmidt> fiberglass is commonly used to achieve similar results on smaller scales though. 02:01 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 02:02 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 02:03 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-bUVTBA-t4 02:04 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:05 < genehacker> that laptop was disposed of improperly 02:07 < genehacker> all dead laptops must have useful parts harvested, hacked into other projects, or recycled via fusion torch 02:07 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fusion_torch 02:22 -!- drgone [n=drgone@72.1.140.203] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:00 < ybit> did doug treadwell and crew make the instruction checker specifically for skdb? 03:16 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:30 < ybit> what's the name of the project to save all sees, the facilities are all domes 03:32 < ybit> global crop diversity trust, but that's not what i'm thinking of i suppose 03:45 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 03:45 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:01 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:11 -!- timothyschmidt [n=tim@adsl-69-208-79-233.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:29 -!- timschmidt [n=tim@adsl-69-209-118-77.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:33 < ybit> http://bayimg.com/image/eajflaaci.jpg 04:34 < ybit> ^found the image on the hdd, now i just need a decent cbir service or brain cells that flicker away into uselessness 04:34 < ybit> +don't 04:36 < ybit> http://tinyeye.com 04:37 < ybit> well that didn't work 04:43 < genehacker> eden project 04:44 < genehacker> you could use world's best image search engine 04:44 < genehacker> people 04:44 < genehacker> to do the job 05:11 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:30 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:30 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 05:36 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220.253-235-15.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:37 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:50 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 06:28 -!- elmom [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:28 -!- anelma [n=elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:32 < Utopiah> http://freebooksource.ws/blogroll/lego-software-power-tools-with-ldraw-mlcad-and-lpub/ 06:53 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1IXYsDdPvbo 07:10 < kanzure> Utopiah: pyldraw is already integrated into skdb :) 07:10 < kanzure> well, partially integrated 07:22 < Utopiah> nice 07:22 < Utopiah> btw did you see the SIAI news about "molecular manufacturing" or sth? (in Palo Alto in few weeks iirc) 07:24 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220.253-235-15.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:26 < Utopiah> http://www.singinst.org/blog/2010/01/05/foresight-2010-the-synergy-of-molecular-manufacturing-and-agi/ 07:29 < QuantumG> yeah, Merkle has been snared by the religion.. I can't believe such awesome talent is being wasted on teaching. 07:30 < Utopiah> "the religion" :) 07:30 < kanzure> Utopiah: yes, fenn should be showing up there IIRC 07:32 < Kuro_> I won't be, although I probably would if I could. Agreed with QuantumG, though. 07:43 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:46 < Utopiah> Aliks: Im not sure to remember correctly but were you managing a website on aging? 07:55 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:01 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 09:42 < Utopiah> kanzure: regarding your study on time perception maybe http://knowfree.net/2010/01/designing-and-engineering-time-the-psychology-of-time-perception-in-software-2/ could provide useful references 09:56 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:59 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit [Client Quit] 09:59 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:03 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:08 < genehacker> argh, sparkfun is dead 10:10 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:15 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit [Client Quit] 10:15 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:38 < timothyschmidt> why am I not surprised? 10:40 < timothyschmidt> is kanzure around? 10:41 < genehacker> I think he's getting surgery 10:41 < genehacker> right about now 10:41 * timothyschmidt wonders if his surgery went ok (it started at 7:00) 10:45 < timothyschmidt> Well... sparkfun managed to effectively DDOS itself. 10:48 < timothyschmidt> woah! got it! 10:48 < genehacker> got it? 10:48 < genehacker> I got it 10:49 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 10:49 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:51 < genehacker> so tim did you submit a freeday end time guess? 10:51 < timothyschmidt> nope 10:52 < timothyschmidt> 11:03 EST taken? 10:52 < genehacker> taken 10:52 < genehacker> I don't think so 10:55 < Trooem> what time is it there? 10:55 < Trooem> how long is the surgery? 10:55 < timothyschmidt> genehacker: have you managed to get anything in your cart? 10:55 < timothyschmidt> It's 10:55 EST 10:55 < timothyschmidt> 5 minutes to go 10:56 < Trooem> oh my gawd, it's 4 hours?! 10:56 < Trooem> sigh, hope he's alright... 10:56 < timothyschmidt> I have no clue how long the surgery is 10:56 < timothyschmidt> I would guess not that long though 10:56 < genehacker> stuff is in cart, finger on trigger 10:56 < Trooem> ok 10:57 < genehacker> though if sparkfun impleents you have to put start at checkout then I' screwed 10:57 < genehacker> also y /\/\ key is broken 10:58 < timothyschmidt> awesome 10:59 < timothyschmidt> you are now required to type /\/\ in place of every m. 11:00 < genehacker> FIRING 11:02 < ybit> wow 11:02 < timothyschmidt> ? 11:02 < ybit> sparkfun is taking a hit 11:02 < timothyschmidt> yup 11:02 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:03 < genehacker> F5 F5 F5 11:03 < ybit> gracias genehacker for knowing the name 11:05 < genehacker> trying for discount woo!!!! 11:21 < timothyschmidt> $1400 given away 11:21 < genehacker> I lost the bet 11:21 < timothyschmidt> me too 11:22 < genehacker> still ti/\/\ed ouot 11:22 < timothyschmidt> like an idiot, I failed to have my cart ready ahead of time. I've managed to pull it up, and click checkout. We'll see. 11:27 < genehacker> I've /\/\anaged to click on the apply for discount thing 11:28 < genehacker> I'm timing out like crazy though 11:30 < genehacker> argh when the page finally loaded it was all blank 11:31 < genehacker> f5 again... 11:36 < timothyschmidt> $3500 given away 11:36 < timothyschmidt> %5k now 11:36 < genehacker> 5000 given away 11:36 < timothyschmidt> gah $5k 11:36 < genehacker> argh 11:36 < genehacker> can't get through 11:37 < timothyschmidt> keep trying 11:37 < genehacker> I am 11:37 < genehacker> I accidently hit the back button though 11:38 < timothyschmidt> ouch 11:39 < genehacker> got back to the page I think 11:40 < genehacker> wtf 11:40 < genehacker> page loaded and there's nothing there 11:42 < genehacker> trying again 11:48 < timothyschmidt> $6,700 last I saw 11:49 < genehacker> where are you at tim? 11:49 < genehacker> are you stuck on the checkout? 11:49 < timothyschmidt> signing in :( 11:49 < genehacker> that sucks 11:49 < timothyschmidt> I was totally unprepared 11:50 < genehacker> I prepared 11:50 < timothyschmidt> with the frequency I can get pages to load, had I prepared, I'd already have checked out. 11:51 < genehacker> I prepared, I can't get checked out 11:53 < genehacker> checkout page is loading 11:53 < genehacker> timeout 11:54 -!- Kuro_ is now known as Kuro|AFK 11:55 < genehacker> <$8000 spent 11:55 < timothyschmidt> $10k 11:56 < genehacker> trying for the discount again 11:56 < genehacker> 12000 12:00 < timothyschmidt> $13k 12:01 < genehacker> 14k 12:02 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:03 -!- Kuro|AFK is now known as Kuro_ 12:15 < genehacker> 20k 12:19 < genehacker> 25k 12:19 < ybit> sparkfun's homepage loads if you go through the google linkage it seems 12:20 < genehacker> the checkout page doesn't 12:27 < ybit> think i'm going to get a gift card 12:27 < kanzure> Utopiah: all of the studies on time perception always deal with <1hr events :( i want >1week 12:28 < genehacker> you ok kanzure? 12:28 < genehacker> didn'y ou just have surgery? 12:28 < kanzure> i am in severe pain 12:28 < genehacker> hope you get better 12:35 < kanzure> ybit: you should try loading sparkfun from designfiles.org with your ssh login 12:35 < kanzure> since the connection is faster 12:36 < genehacker> really? 12:36 < ybit> HRM 12:36 < genehacker> are you participating in the sparkfun server rape too kanzure? 12:36 < ybit> kanzure: that's a decent idea 12:38 < ybit> gps receiver, jpeg camera, rfid, ultrasonic range finder! oh my 12:38 < genehacker> are you able to get anything ybit? 12:39 < kanzure> genehacker: no 12:40 < ybit> i'm able to pull up stuff, i just don't think i'm going to be able to checkout before the 100k mark is reached 12:40 < ybit> i'm not too worried, i'm not that strapped for cash that i can't get it later 12:40 < genehacker> 86k ybit 12:40 < ybit> i'm going for th sparkfun gift certificate so i can choose later :) 12:40 < kanzure> hah 12:41 < genehacker> you can't do that 12:41 < genehacker> they won't let you buy gift certificates on freeday with free money 12:42 < ybit> who says? 12:42 < ybit> did they blog about this? 12:42 < genehacker> they did 12:42 < ybit> that's lame 12:43 * ybit is entertained watching family learn to use their computers 12:43 < ybit> it's a snow day here 12:44 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: did you get any? 12:44 < genehacker> it was an ice day here 12:44 < ybit> 20 secs ago: 95k 12:44 < ybit> i give up 12:44 < genehacker> noooooo 12:46 < ybit> http://google.com/trends 12:47 < ybit> hot searches: sparkfun is #1, #7 is: what comes after a trillion :P 12:48 < kanzure> hah even my autoblogs have "sparkfun" on them 12:48 < kanzure> they pull in topics based off of current google trends 12:48 < kanzure> but unfortunately it's nothing actually about sparkfun itself 12:48 < genehacker> can I see on of these autoblogs? 12:49 < kanzure> i'll send you a link 12:49 < genehacker> it looks like a real blog 12:49 < genehacker> does it get you any money? 12:49 < ybit> ooh ooh, i wanna see 12:51 < kanzure> fenn: http://www.ti-estore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=eZ430-Chronos-433 12:52 < kanzure> genehacker: no, google says it gets 0 hits/day but my internal stats say 150 hits/day 12:52 < kanzure> so.. i might be getting some adsense clicks but they're not recorded 12:54 < genehacker> why are you doing this again? to mess with the blogosphere or make money 12:54 < kanzure> um just a little experiment 12:54 < genehacker> in spam? 12:55 < kanzure> just wondering about web traffic.. how much is there, how easy is it to obtain. meh 12:55 < genehacker> I got an idea about how to obtain web traffic 12:55 < genehacker> make a ridiculous conspiracy theory site generator 12:57 < genehacker> generate lot's of horrible website with horrible colors and graphics and then suggest some very ridiculous stuff 12:57 < genehacker> should be pretty easy 12:59 * Trooem is convinced time travel is possible. 12:59 < genehacker> dammit free day is over 13:00 < genehacker> how so trooem 13:00 < parolang> Time travel is possible, and that is what the government uses to control us. 13:00 < parolang> :D 13:01 < Trooem> time can be bent like a pretzel, and you can go back to it's stream with enough power :) 13:01 < genehacker> prove it 13:02 < parolang> But seriously, if people ever did figure out how to travel through time, I don't see how the technology *wouldn't* be exploited for nefarious ends. 13:05 < Trooem> einstein already proved it 13:05 < Trooem> time is relative 13:06 < Trooem> and different in all areas and places 13:06 < Trooem> and it flows through gravity or something 13:06 < Trooem> so essentially it's possible 13:06 < Trooem> it's about power though, and you need power of a star 13:06 < Trooem> then you can go back in time 13:07 < parolang> Okay, this discussion isn't going to last long :) 13:10 < Trooem> hahahahahhaha 13:10 < Trooem> all theories 13:36 < genehacker> theories are supported by evidence 13:43 < kanzure> yawn 13:43 < kanzure> you guys are boring 13:43 < bkero> It's before 11AM 13:43 < bkero> WHat do you expect? 13:43 < kanzure> what is the word for the chinese do-it-yourself electronics shops? 13:43 < bkero> Pacific time is the only canonical time :P 13:43 < bkero> kanzure: shinseng or something, I've tried remembering 13:44 < kanzure> i can't spell it worth shit 13:44 < kanzure> i know it starts with shin or shen 13:44 < kanzure> shanzai 13:44 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://www.tigoe.net/blog/category/environment/295/&usg=AFQjCNE0L1Hudex7dFPP0hKZksDRFwZRGQ 13:44 < kanzure> er 13:44 < kanzure> http://www.tigoe.net/blog/category/environment/295/ 13:45 < bkero> Yea 13:45 < kanzure> there we go 13:45 < kanzure> Trooem: i hear you have chinese friends 13:45 < bkero> THat's probably the best example we have of an open hardware market 13:45 < kanzure> Trooem: could you read that please? and see if you know anyone into that, or anyone who knows someone into that 13:46 -!- Kuro_ [n=kuro@host86-131-206-33.range86-131.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.5.6/20091201220228]"] 13:52 < Trooem> ok 14:43 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-70-43.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:54 < kanzure> there's a shanzai facebook group 14:56 < kanzure> http://www.amazon.com/Conspiracy-Cells-Immortal-Medical-Scandal/dp/0887060994 14:56 < kanzure> see also the email "Immortal Life of Henrietta Lacks" 15:03 < kanzure> http://www.clonedinchina.com/ 15:03 < kanzure> http://iphonasia.com/ 15:03 < kanzure> 山寨 15:03 < kanzure> shānzhài 15:04 < kanzure> someone stalk this guy: http://rejon.org/ 15:04 < kanzure> in particular see: http://rejon.org/2009/12/shanzhai-vs-qi-inside-making-legal-open-source-in-china-at-tedxguangzhou/ 15:06 < kanzure> haven't seen this one yet.. http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page 15:07 < kanzure> ah they're in #qi-hardware 15:07 < kanzure> kristianpaul is already in there? bah 15:08 < kristianpaul> kanzure: bee ! 15:09 < kristianpaul> :p 15:09 < kanzure> kevin carson's "the homebrew industrial revolution" http://c4ss.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/C4SS-Desktop-Manufacturing.pdf 15:11 < kanzure> http://fabricatorz.com/ 15:12 < ybit> http://8bitcollective.com/members/Sabrepulse/ 15:12 < ybit> http://8bitcollective.com/members/Fighter+X/ 15:14 < kanzure> http://www.xmos.com/ 15:14 < kanzure> i remember listening to sabrepulse. meh. 15:16 < Trooem> http://shanzai.com/index.php/market-mayhem/news/137-crackdown-on-shenzhen-shanzhai-pirates 15:17 < Trooem> this here is a good site. dedicated to shanzai's. 15:17 < Trooem> hmm 15:17 < Trooem> so much info 15:17 < Trooem> but what do we exactly want from them? how shall we deal with them? 15:17 < Trooem> must know this before approach, 15:17 < Trooem> otherwise they won't take us seriously. 15:21 < ybit> http://8bitcollective.com/music/Monster!+Monster! 15:34 < kanzure> interesting.. i found someone named "liutongzhi" and he's part of thezeitgeistmovement.com 15:35 < kanzure> liuliu2288@sina.com 15:37 < kanzure> http://www.openhw.org/ 15:37 < kanzure> hmm looks like they're doing an ARM http://www.openhw.org/project/index_view_540.html 15:38 < kanzure> http://group.ednchina.com/166/ 15:38 < kanzure> a lot of FPGA fandom 15:42 * Trooem is watching Mickey's Christmas Carol. With Scrooge Mcduck. my way of resting. :P 15:54 * Trooem likes T & T Supermarket with the chinese food and bread 15:54 < Trooem> is there T & T in USA? 15:54 < Trooem> hahahha 16:01 < kanzure> pirated arduino book: http://www.darelease.com/forums/ebooks-tutorials/15160-cool-projects-open-source-hardware.html 16:05 < kanzure> hey look at this.. http://affectiveengineering.com/blog/jkantarek/using-github-storing-open-source-hardware-projects 16:06 < kanzure> http://github.com/jkantarek/Electronics-Projects/tree/master/Designs/Bio-belt/ 16:06 < kanzure> stalk: Jeff Kantarek 16:08 < kanzure> see #pumpingstationone and http://pumpingstationone.org/ 16:09 < ybit> kanzure: will you call jorge barrea and ask where the design files are? 16:09 < ybit> i'll call if you can give me the # 16:09 < kanzure> http://affectiveengineering.com/blog/jkantarek/creating-your-first-git-hardware-repository 16:10 < kanzure> ybit: 617 275 6050 16:10 < ybit> calling 16:12 < kanzure> anyone answering 16:14 < ybit> nope 16:14 < ybit> was that his business phone? 16:15 < kanzure> no, cell 16:15 < ybit> that's strange, i didn't even get a voicemail indicator, it just kept ringing 16:15 < kanzure> ok maybe not 16:15 < kanzure> since it's a boston number it might have been where-ever he was working at MIT 16:16 < Trooem> Registrant Contact: 16:16 < Trooem> affectiveengineering.com Private Registrant affectiveengineering.com@proxy.dreamhost.com 16:16 < Trooem> A Happy DreamHost Customer 16:16 < Trooem> 417 Associated Rd #324 16:16 < Trooem> Brea, CA 92821 16:16 < Trooem> US 16:16 < Trooem> +1.2139471032 16:16 < Trooem> who knows :) 16:17 < kanzure> Trooem: that's a different guy 16:17 < Trooem> oh ok sorry :) 16:18 < kanzure> http://www.cnc-projects.de/ 16:18 * ybit calls mfg 16:18 < ybit> who here speaks spanish again? 16:18 < kanzure> oh shit the pain meds just stopped 16:18 < kanzure> ybit: if you're able to get mitch on the line i'll be impressed 16:19 < Trooem> check out his twitter: 16:19 < Trooem> http://twitter.com/jkantarek 16:19 < ybit> prepare to not be impressed 16:19 < ybit> and shoot up some meds while you're at it 16:19 < kanzure> Trooem: yeah i already found him, i told you he's in #pumpstationone 16:19 < Trooem> take meds frequently in beginning.. 16:19 < Trooem> as ordered by docs. 16:19 < Trooem> ok ok 16:19 < Trooem> hahahha 16:20 < kanzure> wtf he owns freethinking.com ? 16:21 < kanzure> ybit: which number did you dial? 16:21 < ybit> for mfg? 16:21 < kanzure> yes 16:22 < ybit> i haven't yet, calling +1 770-444-9686 though 16:24 < kanzure> i think debbie jonke is his personal assistant 16:29 < ybit> on the phone 16:30 < ybit> they pointed me to jorge 16:31 < ybit> because the files 'were turned over in confidence', uhuh 16:31 < ybit> so we need to track down jorge 16:33 < kanzure> who did you talk with? 16:34 < kanzure> what's going on here? http://genedesigner.org/ and http://github.com/notadoctor/GeneDesign/tree/master and http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16481661 16:34 < ybit> er, a girl, she told me, but I wasn't paying attention 16:35 < ybit> they were real nice, I don't think they were trying to cover up anything 16:35 < kanzure> oops 16:35 < kanzure> http://genedesign.org/ 16:36 < kanzure> http://github.com/GeneDesign/GeneDesign 16:40 < kanzure> kristianpaul: fenn should be looking into hooking up replicatorg to skdb soon ;-) 16:40 < kristianpaul> hey nice :) 16:40 < kanzure> ybit: did you see octopart.py? 16:54 < ybit> i'm on the phone atm 16:55 < ybit> grr 16:56 < ybit> why is there even an 'internet on/off' button on the cable modem 16:56 < ybit> anyway, one sec, i'll run it 16:57 < QuantumG> OMG, you've got the President's cable modem, don't press that button!! 16:57 < ybit> may want to list python-curl as a requirement in installing 16:57 < ybit> hrm, so what's the other argument that is needed to run it? 16:57 * ybit doesn't see it in python atm 16:57 < ybit> in the python source file* 16:58 < ybit> everyone here, join http://www.facebook.com/topic.php?uid=11911880588&topic=13696 if you will and demand cad files 16:58 < ybit> holy crap 16:58 < ybit> wow, octopart.py is my hero 16:59 < kanzure> ybit: python octopart.py resistor 16:59 < ybit> right 16:59 < ybit> i put in screw though 16:59 < kanzure> what's wrong with screw? 17:00 < ybit> nothing 17:00 < kanzure> "No JSON object could be decoded" 17:00 < kanzure> oh wait, i have a buggy version 17:00 * kanzure grits his teeth and makes some corrections 17:01 < ybit> while you're at it, claw the chalk board 17:01 < kanzure> what? 17:02 < ybit> gritting teeth/clawing chalkboard, stuff that make people cringe 17:02 < QuantumG> bite some paper 17:02 < ybit> that's a first 17:02 < ybit> watching football 17:02 < QuantumG> vote for the republican party 17:03 < ybit> this could turn into a lot of noise quickly 17:04 < QuantumG> watch a film with Helen Hunt in it. 17:04 < ybit> anyone have an estimate how much electricity a machine shop uses on a monthly basis? 17:05 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: how are you doing in this weather, haven't heard from you 17:06 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, trying to keep from being under the car 17:06 < katsmeow-afk> it's cold, i can keep one room warm, one room ~60F, the rest of the house is ~10F above whatever it is outside 17:07 < katsmeow-afk> wierd too, because i bought a wooded 12 acres so i'd have fuel to keep warm, but dogs rule 17:08 < katsmeow-afk> atm, light snow dust is sticking to leaves on the ground, that's it 17:08 < katsmeow-afk> what passes for humans seem to be freaked about it 17:09 < kanzure> wonder if i might be able to convince andres to add scientific instruments and supplies 17:12 < CIA-44> skdb: kanzure * r 4f0c8f8 / (3 files in 3 dirs): minor update to octopart.py 17:14 < ybit> $2k for a solar turbine 17:14 < ybit> http://openfarmtech.org/index.php?title=Solar_Turbine_Prototype_at_Factor_e_Farm 17:14 < kanzure> $2k for my foot up your ass 17:14 < kanzure> who comes up with these cost estimates anyway? 17:14 < katsmeow-afk> those trying to rip off those rich with low iq 17:14 < ybit> We now have a system design that costs $750 for all the materials for intercepting 30 kW of solar energy and focusing it on a 2” diameter receiver tube – with 48-fold solar concentration ratio. This cost does not include the heat engine or controlled feed-water delivery. 17:15 < ybit> kanzure: marcin came up with that figure 17:15 < kanzure> is that materials cost? 17:15 < ybit> you can see the bom on the liink 17:15 < ybit> yes 17:15 < kanzure> hm i typed that before i saw it was from openfarmtech 17:16 < ybit> http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=290 <- is where the above sentences came from 17:31 < katsmeow-afk> i put up a 50ft tower for radio/tv and wind, but dogs happened, so it's for sale 17:32 -!- QuantumG [n=qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 17:32 < ybit> how much do you want for it katsmeow-afk? 17:33 < katsmeow-afk> dunno, it's 6ft segments, made to be tiltdown, got large rotator for it, and 100+ft of hardline coax 17:33 < katsmeow-afk> aluminum tripod 17:34 < katsmeow-afk> climbable 17:34 < katsmeow-afk> prolly need guys if you plan on a large windmill 17:35 < katsmeow-afk> i was gonna use it to tilt up a 50ft steel base, and then attach the aluminum to the top of that 17:36 < katsmeow-afk> it's ~30 yrs old, looks new, factory guys that built it tested it by tilting it to horiz and then sitting out on the "top" of it 17:39 < katsmeow-afk> alrighty then.... bbl 17:45 < kanzure> ybit: i just talked with mitch free 17:45 < kanzure> he's a really nice guy 17:45 < flamt> http://pastebin.ca/1741950 drug ais 17:45 < flamt> :3 17:45 < kanzure> jorge has absolutely no interest in open source 17:45 < flamt> :3 17:45 < flamt> be kind 17:45 < flamt> (linux users) 17:45 < flamt> brb 17:47 < kanzure> he wants me to write an email 17:47 < kanzure> time to amp up the email voodoo magic 17:47 < kanzure> let's see.. how to explain this to mitch free 17:50 < kanzure> fenn: have you been stalking mitch for a while? can you drop some hints 17:54 < Trooem> there are two ways in which people are controlled - first of all frighten people and secondly demoralize them 17:54 < Trooem> you may want to use these ideas... 17:55 < kanzure> .. 17:55 < Trooem> i'm kidding. ROFL!!!!!!!! 17:56 < Trooem> just go backwards on those above, and you'll be fine. :) 17:58 < katsmeow-afk> wierd words 17:58 < kanzure> s/wierd/weird/ 17:58 < kanzure> i know, it's weird 17:59 < ybit> how did you get in touch with mitch? 17:59 < katsmeow-afk> morals = "ability to tell right vs wrong", and morale = "enthusiasm",,, so demoralised people are enthusiastic about not telling right from wrong? 18:00 < kanzure> ybit: i talked with his secretary 18:00 < Trooem> i am sorry. english isn't my first language. understand it however your intelligence reflects it on you... 18:00 < kanzure> err who turned out to be his wife.. oops 18:00 < ybit> so what did he say? 18:01 < kanzure> well my phone was dying so he asked for an email instead 18:01 < kanzure> the drugs seem to be hurting my brains 18:01 < kanzure> i can't seem to type out a good email 18:01 < Trooem> i think imposing on what is right and wrong to people = demoralization. and not respecting their beliefs.. 18:02 < Trooem> some people use that as control :P 18:14 * Trooem is missing Michael Jackson :( 18:20 < katsmeow-afk> we are using that to control you 18:20 < Trooem> i know i know 18:20 < Trooem> why, take mercy on me. 18:20 < Trooem> i am but a lonely foreigner. like fez from the 70's show... 18:20 < Trooem> you must like me. 18:21 < Trooem> learn to love me. 18:21 < Trooem> ahahahaha 18:22 < katsmeow-afk> being "foreign" is fine with me, i feel like i am from Mars, which is also wierd 18:24 < Trooem> hehe i believe our souls are from different planets, so our mind sees different things :))))) 18:25 < Trooem> like Dr.Brian Weiss says from... Oprah 18:25 < Trooem> past life regression hypnosis 18:25 < Trooem> we split from different planets 18:25 < Trooem> we were aliens in our past lives! 18:26 < Trooem> ahahahaahah!!!!!! 18:29 < fenn> "jorge has absolutely no interest in open source"?? 18:30 * kanzure nods 18:30 < fenn> he seemed pretty pumped when writing to the emc mailing list a couple years ago 18:30 < kanzure> he was just a hired consultant 18:30 < kanzure> hrm 18:30 < kanzure> okay well i've never met jorge 18:30 < kanzure> but mitch made it sound like jorge was uninterested 18:31 < kanzure> and mitch has no idea where jorge is these days :( 18:31 < fenn> http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg06196.html 18:31 < fenn> well. that thread anyway 18:31 < kanzure> fenn: any tips before i send this email to mitch 18:33 < fenn> wait until you aren't high on pain meds? :) 18:33 < fenn> anyway it depends what you want to do 18:33 < kanzure> wait until i'm high on adderall instead? 18:33 < fenn> if the goal is just to get the files that should be pretty straightforward 18:34 < fenn> but he seems like an interesting person too 18:38 < kanzure> it will be interesting to go back and see whether or not this email sucks 18:38 < kanzure> i should have probably sent it to you first 18:38 < kanzure> oh well 18:40 < fenn> http://marcansoft.com/sparkgraph/sparkfun.png 18:43 < kanzure> 2400 huh 18:43 < kanzure> wonder if the curve will drop slower than it rised 18:43 < kanzure> if so it's a success i guess 18:44 < fenn> i sort of wonder what the goal was 18:45 < kanzure> do they hold these frequently? 18:46 < kanzure> bbl 18:47 -!- QuantumG [n=qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:55 < Trooem> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjvoVpOrlbM&feature=related 18:56 < Trooem> MJ song :) hahahaha 19:09 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 19:44 < ybit> fenn: taxes 19:44 * ybit is guessing 19:45 < kanzure> i thought that would have to be before the end of december, ybit? 19:51 < ybit> yes 19:51 < ybit> so, they fscked up this year and want to make sure they don't do it again 19:52 < ybit> which makes no sense 20:01 < kanzure> http://geekaustin.org/2010/01/07/austin-hackerspace-taking-shape <-- i'm the guy in the center of the photo 20:02 < kanzure> also there's two cubespawns in thep hoto 20:04 < kanzure> http://www.austinhackerspace.org/ 20:04 < kanzure> since when do we have a wiki 20:04 < kanzure> why aren't i told about these things? 20:07 < ybit> omg, those people in the picture all look like nerds 20:08 < QuantumG> I thought they looked like gay rights activists 20:10 < drazak> kanzure: you need more womenfolk 20:11 < QuantumG> who's the guy in the cap? 20:11 -!- El_Matarife [n=El_Matar@adsl-68-88-70-43.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has quit ["Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de"] 20:11 < QuantumG> the only one facing the camera 20:11 < QuantumG> that's not you kanzure, right? 20:14 < drazak> I think it is 20:14 < drazak> http://heybryan.org/ 20:15 < drazak> he's the guy on the page 20:15 < drazak> (duh) 20:17 < QuantumG> oh well, that's what I get for not seeing a picture of you for 3+ years :) 20:21 < drazak> can't believe I got a 7-10 split bowling today 20:22 < QuantumG> did ya pick up the spare? 20:23 < drazak> yeah 20:23 < QuantumG> awesome 20:23 < drazak> that's like a 1/650000 shot 20:23 < QuantumG> I have a theory about bowling 20:24 < QuantumG> the reason why there's so few good bowlers is because access to lanes to practice on is strictly controlled 20:24 < QuantumG> expensive sport to master 20:25 < drazak> nah 20:25 < drazak> you can bowl during the 1dollar game things 20:40 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 20:44 < kanzure> did we know about this? http://code.google.com/p/cam-occ/ 20:47 < QuantumG> tried it? 20:51 < QuantumG> is there such a thing as a "virtual lathe"? 20:51 < QuantumG> or is that so useless that no-one has ever written one? 20:58 < drazak> you can do cubic splines 20:59 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Connection reset by peer] 20:59 < drazak> which is basically what a lathe gives you 20:59 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:59 < QuantumG> yep, that's pretty much the opposite of what I was saying :) 21:00 < kanzure> eric hunting showing up on the web: http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/the-incremental-housing-strat-project-and-the-and-the-adaptive-architecture-of-the-slums/2010/01/07 21:03 < kanzure> http://www.openwarfare.org/ 21:03 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:04 < genehacker> oh cool we got some cubespawns 21:04 < genehacker> incomplete but we have them 21:04 < ybit> at shmoocon this year, some guy is giving a talk on creating your own uav cheaply 21:05 < genehacker> the DIY drones guy? 21:05 < ybit> yeah 21:06 < ybit> the prometheus or something 21:06 < ybit> hah, that's pretty neat 21:06 < kanzure> wonder where this comes from: http://integral.virishi.net/gnusha 21:09 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-47.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:09 < thesnark> hello 21:09 < kanzure> no! 21:09 < ybit> hexakopter looks like fun 21:09 < fenn> welp techshop is real, it exists, and it's sorta depressing 21:09 < bkero> Bad tools? 21:09 < thesnark> haha, bad tools 21:10 < fenn> nah it's just a different vibe from hackerspaces 21:10 < fenn> "give us your money" everywhere 21:10 < genehacker> do they impose thinking fees? 21:10 < fenn> the tools looked ok based on my random sampling 21:11 < fenn> genehacker: yes thinking is $75/hr with a 2 hour minimum 21:11 < kanzure> i can't afford that 21:11 < kanzure> let me think 21:11 < kanzure> owait 21:11 < genehacker> hahaha 21:11 < fenn> bad customer no cookie! 21:11 < genehacker> wouldn't it be a maximum if it was a fee on thinking 21:12 < fenn> hm integral.. i thought that was some kind of spiritual/life coach thing 21:12 < kanzure> me too 21:12 < genehacker> argh having sympy trouble 21:13 < kanzure> "Commercial advertisers in the United States have taken a page from China ad 21:13 < kanzure> makers, this advertisement of Obama's sponsorship of Shanzhai 21:13 < kanzure> "Blockberry" was being reported by Chinese Bloggers last year." 21:14 < kanzure> huh 21:14 < fenn> http://integral.virishi.net/feeds-all 21:14 < kanzure> neat 21:15 < kanzure> eh i'm on a list with "lesswrong".. dunno if that's good or bad 21:18 < fenn> you need to drop your issue with eliezer.. it's counterproductive 21:18 < genehacker> so in sympy solve can I multiply variables times symbols or is that forbiden? 21:18 < fenn> <- sick of group dynamics 21:19 < kanzure> why does eli ignore me :( 21:19 < fenn> does he ignore you? 21:20 * kanzure nods 21:20 < fenn> well, um, have you asked him? 21:20 < kanzure> asked him what? 21:20 < fenn> why 21:20 < kanzure> but yes i've been known to ask him questions 21:20 < kanzure> actually i have not 21:20 < kanzure> it's kind of childish to ask someone why they ignore you 21:20 < kanzure> because if they are ignoring you, they'll ignore that question 21:21 < fenn> or they might answer it 21:21 * kanzure writes up an email 21:21 < kanzure> what am i asking him, again? 21:21 < kanzure> why he wants people to only focus on ai? 21:21 < fenn> no you're asking him why he ignores you 21:22 < kanzure> yeah but i might as well just get to the point if he's reading the email 21:22 < fenn> but that is the point, don't overshoot 21:22 < QuantumG> ai needs less people focused on it.. so you don't have to continually rule out people who have no idea what they're fuckin' on about. 21:23 < fenn> ai needs some technical progress beyond 1980's level software 21:24 < fenn> or at least find the right magic bullet (as opposed to the wrong one) 21:24 < genehacker> screw AI, just figure out how our brains work 21:24 < genehacker> or heck at least the brain of a jumping spider 21:24 < fenn> genehacker have you read "on intelligence"? 21:24 < kanzure> fenn: think of who you're talking to 21:24 < QuantumG> well, the people reverse engineering the brain are not the same people who should be working on ai. 21:25 < QuantumG> "on intelligence" was pathetic.. I wanted a refund. 21:25 < kanzure> QuantumG: do you have an opinion on whole brain emulation and related research? 21:25 < fenn> QuantumG: is there anything you don't hate? 21:25 < kanzure> fenn, the book really wasn't that impressive 21:25 < QuantumG> kanzure: take away the hype and it's great. 21:25 < kanzure> QuantumG: there's hype? :) that's news to me 21:26 < fenn> there isn't any hype 21:26 < fenn> a few sci-fi novels and articles in fringe magazines 21:26 < genehacker> well considering project blue brain isn't much of a big deal 21:26 < kanzure> it isn't? 21:26 < genehacker> it's overhyped 21:26 < kanzure> why do you say that? 21:27 * fenn notes his breakfast cereal doesn't come with whole brain emulation 21:27 < kanzure> i mean, the idea of encoding neuroscience literature into computational models sounds good to me 21:28 < genehacker> err maybe I'm confusing bluebrain with some other project 21:29 < genehacker> oops 21:29 < genehacker> it was the blue brain guy bashing an ibm project 21:29 < genehacker> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/23/epfl_bluebrain_markram_modha/ 21:30 < genehacker> bluebrain is the way to go 21:30 < QuantumG> the whole "IBM has emulated an enitre cat brain!!!" crap 21:30 < kanzure> yeah that wasn't the blue brain project 21:30 < kanzure> the "emulated a cat brain" was just a giant ANN if anything 21:30 < fenn> good enough for me 21:30 < kanzure> which is certainly interesting and newsworthy 21:30 < kanzure> but not a cat 21:30 < kanzure> that's like saying anything of the order 1e9 is a cat :p 21:30 < fenn> not particularly interested in having an electronic cat 21:31 < kanzure> then don't advertise it as a cat, fenn 21:31 < kanzure> blah 21:31 < QuantumG> yeah.. I like seeing corps pouring money into research that they eventually publish.. 21:31 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.abcnews.go.com/US/funeral-home-sends-dead-relatives-brain-family/print?id=9502105 21:33 < genehacker> now anyone have anyide what could be wrong with this line of code: solve(a*slope*sin(the)+a*cos(the)+(y1*slope+x1)(1-u)/u = 0, the) 21:33 < kanzure> what's the error? 21:33 < kanzure> oh 21:33 < kanzure> you can't do something like this: 21:34 < genehacker> keyword can't be an expression 21:34 < kanzure> some_function(blah = 0, arrr) 21:34 < kanzure> the "blah = 0" in particular is what might be giving you a problem 21:34 < genehacker> the equation must be equal to 0 though 21:35 < genehacker> oh ok that makes sense 21:35 < kanzure> wtf is this? http://pastebin.com/d5e10f95 and why is "kanzure" on this list 21:36 < kanzure> oh i bet this is sparkfun related 21:36 < kanzure> yep "sparkfun" appears on the list 21:38 < genehacker> yup that's sparkfun 21:41 < ybit> will someone please some of this openwarfare crap on my family watching the college football game on tonight? 21:42 < ybit> it's really odd hearing my uncle talk like he's from the ghetto after some team scores 21:42 < genehacker> oh are you stuck with your family watching a football game? 21:42 < genehacker> *too 21:42 < ybit> and then he bursts into some elvis, wtf? 21:42 < katsmeow-afk> that's universally southern tho 21:43 < ybit> that's a nice space in austin 21:43 < ybit> it looks spacious 21:45 < genehacker> argh now I'm getting an argument must be a dictionary errr 21:46 < genehacker> does this mean sympy can't solve my equation or I just need to debug some more? 21:47 < fenn> genehacker: why dont you try with something simple first 21:49 < genehacker> like what? 21:49 < katsmeow-afk> fenn, you still need 12 inch in/mm dial calipers? <$30 @ http://www.amazon.com/Neiko-Pro-Grade-Digital-Stainless-Measuring/dp/B000EJUBBU/ref=pd_rhf_p_t_3 21:49 < genehacker> this is a fairly simple 21:52 < kanzure> wait why do they get to post pictures 21:52 < kanzure> i have this juicy set.. and was told not to post the images 21:53 < kanzure> am i being treated differently because i'm economically worthless or something? 21:53 < kanzure> delusions of persecution.. oh boy. 21:53 < kanzure> maybe that's a side effect of the drugs 21:53 < ybit> that or they know i'm a ninja and will figure out how to sneak in by looking at them 21:54 < kanzure> "Professor Henry Markram, a doctor-turned-computer engineer, announced that his team would create the world's first artificial conscious and intelligent mind by 2018" 21:54 < kanzure> http://fredlanga.blogspot.com/2010/01/true-ai-by-2018.html 21:54 < kanzure> that's disappointing 21:54 < ybit> bah, same stuff 21:54 < kanzure> i mean, why would he make that claim 21:54 < ybit> $ 21:54 < ybit> and/or ego 21:54 < genehacker> crap, sympy says it can't solve a simplified version of my equation 21:55 < kanzure> nice open access neuroscience journal: http://frontiersin.org 21:55 < ybit> what's the equation genehacker, what are you using sympy for? 21:55 * ybit needs ritalin, have been out of it for a couple of weeks now 21:55 < ybit> adrafanil was nice yesterday 21:55 < fenn> kanzure: linear extrapolation 21:56 < genehacker> I'm using sympy to solve a gear equation over and over to make a gear that meshes with a gear 21:56 < ybit> but i snapped at every family member that pestered me with computer questions 21:57 < genehacker> wolfram alpha was able to solve it, but it produced a huge messy equation 21:57 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:57 < kanzure> hello Aliks 21:57 < ybit> but at some point, i feel i have a right, it took me 20 mins over the phone to explain to my dad how to turn on the comp. while @ h+ summit. anywhos, i'm going to go outside and refocus now 21:57 < ybit> hi Aliks 21:58 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:58 < kanzure> hello JayDugger 21:58 < JayDugger> Hello, kanzure. 21:59 < genehacker> wolfram alpha can solve it but sympy can't 21:59 < kanzure> genehacker: i bet you're just doing it wrong 21:59 < JayDugger> Do you have that greeting scripted? If so, I'll feel no less obliged to respond. Machines act as if they've feelings. 21:59 < kanzure> post your program on pastebin i guess 21:59 < kanzure> JayDugger: no, it's me :) 21:59 < JayDugger> A-ha! Another touch typist. 22:00 < genehacker> I think I am too 22:00 < kanzure> no you look at your keyboard, genehacker 22:01 < genehacker> I'm going to try debug first 22:05 -!- Phreedom_ [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:08 < genehacker> http://pastebin.com/d520f80a0 22:09 < genehacker> here's my test program with a very basic form of the equation I'm using 22:15 < kanzure> "Mr. Tsutomu Yamaguchi was in Hiroshima on a business trip at the time of the first atomic explosion and then returned to his home in Nagasaki just in time for the second explosion. " 22:18 < genehacker> well at least he survived 22:21 < JayDugger> Just died of stomach cancer, IIRC. 22:22 < JayDugger> Mr. Tsutomu, that is, not me. :) 22:23 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:27 -!- Phreedom_ [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 22:51 < genehacker> dammit, I'm going to have to do this in mathematica 23:02 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-47.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:05 < kanzure> ack i forgot to beg mitch for the designs 23:06 < kanzure> damn drugs :( 23:08 < JayDugger> Good health has an opportunity cost? 23:09 < genehacker> oh speaking of begging for designs I should probably bother hod lipson about posting some of the files for his rapid prototyped truss reconfiguring robot 23:09 < JayDugger> Truss reconfiguring? That sounds interesting. Do any details, or better yet, photographs appear online? 23:10 < Aliks> yawn 23:10 < genehacker> a whole damn paper 23:10 < JayDugger> Oh? 23:10 < kanzure> ah right i forgot about mangafox 23:10 < JayDugger> Open access, or subscription only? 23:11 < genehacker> hold on 23:11 < kanzure> JayDugger: if you need a paper, just give us a citation and preferably a link and we'll grab it for you 23:12 < genehacker> http://ccsl.mae.cornell.edu/papers/REMAR09_Hjelle.pdf 23:12 < genehacker> here you go 23:12 < JayDugger> Thank you. 23:12 < fenn> uh, what did you and mitch talk about if not the files? 23:13 < kanzure> what he wants to do with them 23:13 < kanzure> he wants a web interface to open source hardware 23:13 < fenn> sounds great 23:13 * kanzure nods 23:14 < kanzure> and my phone was dying so i said i'd email him 23:14 < kanzure> and he gave me an address 23:14 < kanzure> he sounded really excited 23:14 < kanzure> but i did ask about the files on the phone, and he said he still has them 23:14 < fenn> well at least it wasn't reverse-vaporware 23:15 < kanzure> what? 23:16 < kanzure> vaporware that flows towards me? 23:16 < fenn> "we made something but we forgot what we did" 23:16 < JayDugger> Ha! That's a fine technical term. 23:17 < fenn> well i had some image of a ghost pirate ship full of open source hardware designs floating off into the mist 23:17 < fenn> never to be heard from again 23:18 < JayDugger> Sailing into the mists of "Intellectual Property," and passing into the map region labeled "Here Be Patent Trolls?" 23:18 < fenn> yar 23:18 < kanzure> fenn: have you ever used JSON? 23:18 < fenn> no but it looks pretty easy 23:18 < kanzure> it seems like it has lists, dictionaries and other thingies 23:18 < kanzure> but i'm cautious to conflate it with YAML too much 23:19 < fenn> does it offer any advantages that yaml doesn't? 23:19 < kanzure> haven't used it enough yet to know 23:19 < kanzure> i just use python's simplejson module 23:19 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/skdb/octopart.py 23:20 < kanzure> i need to parse in the data from JSON now 23:20 < kanzure> and provide a simpler way to make up valid octopart query filters 23:20 < kanzure> the latter is more fun than the former 23:21 < fenn> where does octopart get their data? 23:21 < kanzure> suppliers give them data 23:21 -!- Noahj [n=noah@ip98-182-59-157.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:21 < kanzure> they write new code each time they get a new supplier onboard 23:21 < fenn> um, why do they do that? 23:21 < kanzure> and they parse whatever data they give them 23:21 < fenn> i mean why do suppliers give them data 23:21 < fenn> how did this all get started 23:21 < kanzure> octopart got money from ycombinator 23:22 < kanzure> i think they started with a search engine for datasheet PDF files 23:22 < kanzure> not sure 23:22 < kanzure> and then suppliers have an incentive to provide better data (straight from the horse's mouth) 23:23 < kanzure> or something? 23:23 < kanzure> hrm 23:23 < fenn> ... 23:23 < JayDugger> Can users rate product sheets on Octopart? 23:23 < kanzure> not to my knowledge 23:23 < JayDugger> As in, "this part does not work as the datasheet claims?" 23:23 < kanzure> andres should be back in here eventually 23:23 < Noahj> Maybe it's for comparison purposes, yeah 23:23 < kanzure> and we can ask him one-on-one then 23:24 < JayDugger> It would also help if Octopart managed obsolete parts. 23:24 < fenn> JayDugger: so far octopart seems to be more like "where's the cheapest place to get an 8 bit shift register" 23:24 < JayDugger> Ah... 23:24 < JayDugger> Well, perhaps it will do more (of my job) over time. 23:24 < Noahj> If I were a manufacturer of components I'd definitely send datasheets to octopart just so manufacturers of appliances, hackers, etc could see that my parts were clearly superior 23:24 < fenn> what's your job? 23:24 < kanzure> technical documentation 23:24 < JayDugger> I work as a technician, maintaining flight simulators. 23:25 < fenn> if you do component level repair it should be pretty useful already 23:25 < JayDugger> I used to do project engineering and technical writing for the same employer. 23:25 < JayDugger> But I tired of the long hours. Travel was okay, even if Home Sweet Hotel stopped being a joke. 23:25 < JayDugger> I try to avoid component level repair. :) 23:26 < JayDugger> It's inescapable at times. 23:27 < kanzure> http://svn.red-bean.com/bob/simplejson/tags/simplejson-1.3/docs/index.html 23:28 < kanzure> import simplejson; simplejson.loads(json_data); 23:28 < kanzure> the section "Specializing JSON object decoding:" seems relevant maybe 23:28 < JayDugger> Speaking of the devil, I need to go to work. Good night, all, and thanks again for the paper and the reference to Octopart. 23:28 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 23:28 < kanzure> was he talking about his wife or his job? 23:32 < genehacker> JayDugger is in dallas 23:32 < genehacker> hmmm... 23:34 -!- parolang` [n=user@adsl-99-180-232-102.dsl.toldoh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:45 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 23:47 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 23:48 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:48 < kanzure> hm 23:48 < kanzure> http://pastebin.com/f12bc4f3c 23:48 < kanzure> some of these parameters don't have units on them 23:48 < kanzure> like weight 23:49 < kanzure> these were some search results on "resistor"