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00:02 < fenn> moop
00:02 < fenn> why the big push to get replicatorg "integrated"?
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00:05 < kanzure> s/push/nudge/
00:05 < kanzure> if it's more complicated than os.system("replicatorg input.stl") then nevermind
00:07 < fenn> i'm not sure it's much more than a serial port in the end
00:07 < fenn> i.e. it doesn't take STL files
00:08 < fenn> i need to get more familiar with the reprap toolchain (actually use it at least once)
00:10 < fenn> who do you know at the foresight jan. 15 conference?
00:10 < kanzure> christine peterson and j. hall
00:10 < fenn> they said they'd waive my ticket fee?
00:10 < kanzure> no, let me follow up on that
00:11 < fenn> thanks
00:12 < fenn> did they just change the topic at the last moment?
00:12 < fenn> i thought it was "open source, manufacturing, and nanotech" or something like that
00:12 < kanzure> yeah me too, what does the page say now?
00:12 < kanzure> http://foresight.org/conf2010/
00:13 < kanzure> "Open source in manufacturing and AI"
00:13 < fenn> "the Synergy of Molecular Manufacturing and AGI"
00:13 < kanzure> "Principles underlying exponential manufacturing"
00:13 < kanzure> no that was always the title of it
00:13 < fenn> oh, that's a subtopic
00:13 < fenn> hm
00:13 < fenn> i dont think i'd mess up that badly
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00:14 < kanzure> hello nmz787 
00:14 < nmz787> hey bb
00:14 < kanzure> are you mccorckle? 
00:14 < nmz787> yep
00:14 < fenn> hello
00:15 < katsmeow-afk> ybit, where is Enterprise?
00:15 < kanzure> drazak: your playmate's at the door
00:15 < nmz787> my laptoip might die
00:15 < nmz787> brb with cord
00:15 < kanzure> fenn: ok i sent out a few emails re: foresight2010
00:15 < nmz787> ok
00:15 < fenn> wow this is pretty good for a 1996 website: http://web.archive.org/web/19961105125543/http://www.foresight.org/
00:16 < nmz787> ok
00:16 < kanzure> better than most of the crap out there right now
00:16 < kanzure> "This Web site is maintained by James B. Lewis Enterprises" wut?
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00:34 < nmz787> is ben here?
00:34 < genehacker> which ben?
00:34 < nmz787> sorry
00:34 < nmz787> i meant drazak
00:35 < kanzure> we have many bens :) but drazak seems to be dead tonight
00:35 < nmz787> ahh
00:35 < nmz787> all about the benjamins baby
00:36 < nmz787> or pentiums
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00:47 < kanzure> good night world
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01:00 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL0im9b6GgU
01:03 < QuantumG> http://www.jhu.edu/chembe/gracias/Publishedpapers/TimPNAS.pdf
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02:09 < fenn> anyone know what "GNR technologies" refers to? in the context of AGI/brain emulation
02:10 < fenn> um, or renewable energy stuff maybe
02:10 < genehacker> quantumg that video is cool
02:12 < QuantumG> GNR refers to Genetics, Nanotechnology and Robotics
02:12 < QuantumG> (and typically the irrational fear there-of by people who should know better)
02:19 < genehacker> I for one welcome our genetically engineerined nanorobotic overlords
03:15 < fenn> gah fucking techshop "there are currently no events"
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03:15 < fenn> but january 10 is the AI meetup group
03:18 < fenn> hah gershenfeld is getting into AI research now
03:18 < fenn> "The new project, launched with an initial $5 million grant and a five-year timetable, is called the Mind Machine Project, or MMP, a loosely bound collaboration of about two dozen professors, researchers, students and postdocs. "
03:18 < fenn> 'According to Neil Gershenfeld, one of the leaders of MMP and director of MIT’s Center for Bits and Atoms, one of the project’s goals is to create intelligent machines — “whatever that means.”'
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03:45 < genehacker> it probably means using machine tools with adaptive control
04:06 < fenn> yo dawg i herd u like iphones... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4IjeO7g6kA
04:18 < fenn> "People i need ur help im gathering all the young minds of the world to help me. I may have found a form of artificial life not evactly how u would picture it. I may have found a huge neetwork of data forming a world of creatures made up of bits of DATA i am working on a program that is one of these creatures under my control so that i can step into thier world and these creatures do not have a solid form but can be seen when u enter the dada ba
04:19 < fenn> "contact my email Zac7@aol.com and the subject will be known as project mastere code ok tell all ur smartest friends"
04:19 < fenn> gotta catch em all
04:19 < genehacker> is that real?
04:19 < fenn> yeah :\
04:19 < genehacker> has the internet discovered it yet?
04:20 < fenn> it's just a somewhat unappropriate comment on popsci.com
04:20 < genehacker> looks like it's undiscovered then
04:20 < genehacker>  link?
04:21 < fenn> meh. i don't know why you care, but here it is: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2009-12/scientists-collaborate-rebuild-artificial-intelligence-ground
04:22 < genehacker> I'm trying to come up with a way to automatically generate ridiculous conspiracy theories and comments like this
04:22 < genehacker> why might you ask?
04:23 < fenn> because they mirror your natural thought processes?
04:23 < fenn> har har
04:23 < genehacker> because hopefully a machine can create more ridiculous nonsense than a human and that will at least restore some of my faith in humanity
04:23 < fenn> dude just feed any HMM chatbot text from rense.com
04:25 < fenn> maybe that's too political for you
04:25 < genehacker> shit why did I have to discover that website
04:25 < genehacker> I just lost more faith in humanity
04:26 < genehacker> it's not even funny conspiracy theories
04:28 < genehacker> it's sort of depressing that people do these sort of things
04:29 < fenn> lots of things are depressing.. it doesn't mean you have to amplify it with technology
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05:03 < fenn> huh. this place is hiring, apparently: http://myfreeimplants.com/
05:08 < fenn> i think they need a "my free photographer" partner website
05:34 < fenn> rawr all this stuff happening on the 16th
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08:28 < faceface> anyone got this? Hierarchy Theory: A Vision, Vocabulary and Epistemology
08:28 < Trooem> www.loadevery.com
08:28 < faceface> also Koestler, Arthur. 1967. The ghost in the machine
08:28 < faceface> Trooem: @me?
08:28 < Trooem> yup
08:29 < kanzure> hello dan :)
08:29 < faceface> hey bryan
08:30 < faceface> kanny find it
08:33 < faceface> Arthur Koestler proposed three domains of creativity - artistic inspiration, scientific discovery and comic inventiveness.
08:34 < Trooem> i fall in the category of artistic inspiration and comic inventiveness.
08:34 < Trooem> zero scientific discovery.
08:34 < faceface> I just fall
08:34 < Trooem> fall where?
08:34 < faceface> down
08:35 < Trooem> into the blackhole of creativeness where no light can escape?
08:35 < Trooem> great :)
08:35 < faceface> hrm... I wonder if creativeness has a speed
08:35 < Trooem> yup... it does, at the rate of deductive reasoning.
08:35 < Trooem> but then,
08:35 < faceface> ever read about kaufmans stable attractors and 'concepts' 
08:36 < Trooem> creativity itself comes from your view of the world-
08:36 < Trooem> so.. it's not a speed thing.
08:36 < faceface> just wondering about excape velocity, but its silly really
08:36 < Trooem> so many variables for just... deductive reasoning to come up with good ideas..
08:36 < Trooem> no... dont know what that is... i'm just a business guy in marketing...
08:37 < faceface> why u here?
08:37 < Trooem> to make money
08:37 < Trooem> joint-venture.
08:37 < Trooem> and experiment.
08:37 < Trooem> programmers and... marketers get along well together.
08:38 < Trooem> and... i have a serious dedication to humanity +
08:38 < faceface> cool
08:38 < Trooem> what do you do here faceface
08:39 < faceface> ask for pdfs ;-)
08:39 < faceface> I don't spend much time in here
08:39 < Trooem> what do you do with kanzure is more specific question. what partnership?
08:39 < faceface> can't find any good links on kauffman nets and attractors and states in the brain
08:39 < faceface> nothing productive
08:40 < Trooem> general research of common interest. ok...
08:40 < faceface> I tend to suggest things that I'm too busy to do in the hope that someone else will do it
08:40 < faceface> kanzure caught my attention with diybio
08:40 < Trooem> oh
08:40 < Trooem> that's good
08:41 < Trooem> outsourcing for free. :P
08:55  * Trooem is formulating a strategy for global domination. Practical.
08:55 < Trooem> mwa hahaahahhaha
08:59 < fenn> gah it's morning in timezone 6
09:00 < fenn> trooem just create a mind control virus, easy peasy
09:02 < Trooem> make everyone into zombies? wow wouldn't that be a dream come true. i love zombie movies.
09:03 < Trooem> i'd get to break into wal-mart alone and steal everything for fun. bwa hahahaha
09:03 < Trooem> ....sigh... wal-mart. i lived in canada for too long.
09:04 < faceface> Trooem: so you want a business idea?
09:04 < Trooem> ive got lot of plans ready, but please more would be appreciated.
09:06 < faceface> cool
09:06 < faceface> basically SNPedia carries a huge DB of human mutations
09:06 < faceface> there was a good blog on the '10 best SNPs' recently...
09:06 < faceface> http://snpedia.blogspot.com/2010/01/snpedias-top-10-snps-of-year.html
09:07 < faceface> basically... we need to develop a resource to allow people to pick the mutations that they 'want' or not
09:07 < faceface> allowing the community to work on a 'version' of the human genome that would be maintained like software
09:08 < Trooem> wow it's SKDB in Biological form. nice
09:08 < faceface> SKDB?
09:08 < Trooem> err, it's a project about electronic pickings... kind of like you described there..
09:09 < Trooem> DIY electronics... sort of
09:09 < Trooem> i'm not sure.
09:09 < Trooem> anyway,
09:09 < faceface> Trooem: basically, I think that people will always want 'random' kids, however, people won't want kids with high risk of cancer, for example
09:09 < Trooem> ok...
09:09 < faceface> the most up to date 'version' of the human genome in the system would be 'anti-cancer-2.34'
09:09 < faceface> i.e. all the best info on 'anti-cancer' genes
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09:10 < faceface> with teh appropriate suite of mutations
09:10 < faceface> this is available in teh literature, what is missing is the resouce for gathering and versioning 
09:10 < faceface> companies can use the resource at a price, to design babies
09:10 < Trooem> i see...
09:11 < faceface> one component would be the 'designer', just like in gattaca, given two genotypes, it would design a possible offspring
09:11 < faceface> given certain fixed and flexible criteria
09:11 < faceface> i.e. low risk of all common disease, optional sexuality, random hair color etc. etc. 
09:12 < Trooem> are you going to develop this?
09:12 < Trooem> may i ask your age?
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09:13 < faceface> Yes, I'd like to develop it
09:13 < faceface> if only as a way to really get people focused on the world that we are soon to be living in
09:13 < faceface> its 900 dollars to get >1,000,000 snps read
09:14 < faceface> (currently)
09:14 < faceface> cheaper all the time
09:14 < Trooem> it's something very lucrative for the future but it's not my field of expertise. how i can help out is management of the business and getting the word across with promotion. but it sounds great, this bio-industry is a goldmine, people haven't developed with any areas. especially infotech- (not much competition i mean)
09:14 < faceface> whole genome association studies are going to sample people in the millions to determine links with traits such as cancer
09:14 < faceface> right
09:14 < faceface> I'm 32 btw
09:15 < Trooem> i am 26 :)
09:15 < Trooem> 5 years marketing experience, and quite savvy in my opinion :)))
09:15 < Trooem> that sounds cool
09:17 < Trooem> so i'm guessing not only companies, but in the future, everyone would want this genome data read for themselves
09:17 < Trooem> and their family
09:18 < Trooem> for custom tailored drugs befitting to their genetic info. knowing their weaknesses and vulnerabilities..
09:18 < fenn> wow. new tv set is sending uncompressed blu-ray video over a wireless connection up to 10 meters
09:18 < Trooem> but that's in the future... and for now, it's for smaller companies requiring data for their purposes..
09:18 < Trooem> haha
09:19 < Trooem> not too sure, let me know if i can help out man
09:19 < Trooem> fenn: how fast?
09:20 < faceface> er... OK
09:21 < Trooem> or was it just an idea you're giving me here?
09:21 < Trooem> hahaha
09:24 < Trooem> anybody want to give me a job?
09:24 < Trooem> i'm playing around at the moment
09:27 < fenn> Trooem: 4 gigabit
09:27 < Trooem> ........wow
09:28 < fenn> yeah i wouldnt know what to do with that much bandwidth
09:33  * kanzure grumbles
09:33 < kanzure> back
09:34 < Trooem> welcome back
09:34 < Trooem> we've got to make some serious strategy and plans for your business kanzure
09:35 < Trooem> or wait.. years until they formulate on it's own
09:35 < Trooem> hahahaha
09:35 < kanzure> faceface: do you know of a whole genome version of SNPedia?
09:36 < faceface> kanzure: afaik that is what SNPedia attempts to be
09:36 < faceface> unless I didn't understand what you mean
09:36 < kanzure> snpedia sucks
09:36 < kanzure> it's a wiki
09:36 < kanzure> er
09:36 < kanzure> wikis do not suck de facto
09:36 < faceface> kanzure: snpediarocks ... its a wiki!
09:36 < kanzure> but this is a bioinformatics problem
09:36 < kanzure> not a "let's make lots of unparsable text" problem
09:36 < faceface> kanzure: it uses semantic media wiki to make it machine readable
09:36 < kanzure> oh joy
09:37 < faceface> anyway, before we get off topic,
09:37 < faceface> what did you mean by 'whole genome version'?
09:37 < kanzure> i think this is on topic :)
09:37 < faceface> kanzure: you know smw is my favourite thing ever?
09:37 < kanzure> i did not know this.
09:37 < faceface> I made a demo site here
09:38 < faceface> http://pgscdemo.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page
09:38 < faceface> here is one example of structured data being displayed in a variety of formats: http://pgscdemo.referata.com/wiki/Institute
09:39 < faceface> here is a wiki I made to collect information about software:
09:39 < faceface> http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData
09:39 < kanzure> i don't want to talk about this right now.
09:39 < kanzure> all i know is that i have no wikitext parser
09:39 < faceface> (I need to link that to software ontologies)
09:39 < faceface> kanzure: export as RDF?
09:39 < faceface> semanitc web?
09:39 < faceface> anyway, its not important
09:40 < faceface> what did you mean by 'whole genome version'?
09:40 < faceface> of SNPedia?
09:40 < kanzure> well, SNPedia is only a few specific SNPs 
09:40 < kanzure> of course, more are added daily
09:40 < kanzure> but
09:40 < faceface> dbSNP is more comprehensive
09:40 < kanzure> okie dokie, thanks
09:40 < faceface> but SNPedia aims to cover all of dbSNP iirc
09:40 < kanzure> sure
09:40 < faceface> I believe
09:42 < faceface> crist... where is an overview ?
09:42 < faceface> found it
09:42 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/SNP/snp_summary.cgi
09:43 < faceface> dam... thats statistics
09:43 < faceface> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/projects/SNP/get_html.cgi?whichHtml=overview
09:43 < faceface> lovely url
09:46 < kanzure> gee it would be nice to overlay SNPedia's information on top of my whole genome
09:47 < kanzure> faceface: do you have any RSS that i am missing here? http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/rss/
09:48 < faceface> kanzure: very unlikely
09:48 < kanzure> :(
09:48 < faceface> kanzure: they had a 'promethius' project to do something similar iirc
09:48 < faceface> kanzure: by genome, you mean sequence?
09:48 < faceface> or genotype
09:49 < kanzure> sequence
09:49 < faceface> in theory, you could carry your resequencing results to a pipeline that would call all your snps, look them up in snpedia and present a summary
09:50 < kanzure> like let's say i paid $50k for my whole genome sequence (for some reason)
09:50 < kanzure> yep
09:50 < faceface> right
09:50 < kanzure> that would be a nice pipeline to have
09:50 < faceface> kanzure: my colleague was involved in the korean genome sequencing project
09:50 < faceface> they did it like that
09:50 < kanzure> hey i forgot to ask, how did you meat JB?
09:50 < faceface> they confirmed the snps called by sequence mapping by using a genotyping chip
09:50 < kanzure> from KOBIC
09:51 < faceface> he was my phd supervisor for 2 years
09:51 < kanzure> neat
09:51 < faceface> he quit in year 3 ;-)
09:51 < kanzure> Trooem is korean as well
09:51 < faceface> cool
09:51 < kanzure> i had him translate KOBIC's website for me :p
09:51 < faceface> kanzure: jb quit kobic recently I believe
09:51 < kanzure> oh noes
09:51 < kanzure> why?
09:52 < faceface> not sure
09:52 < faceface> kanzure: have you seen the 23and me summaries?
09:52 < faceface> I can give you JBs details...
09:53 < faceface> log you into the site to see the info they give from a set of snps
09:53 < kanzure> no i've never seen 23andme's summaries
09:53 < faceface> lemmy find it for you
09:53 < kanzure> i do however have JB's snp set somewhere 
09:53 < faceface> it tells you your eye color ;-)
09:54 < faceface> sorry, its decodeme
09:54 < Trooem> yes i'm korean. let me know if you guys need some translation or communication.
09:54 < faceface> login: DCMEVHCX1
09:54 < faceface> pw: 7890uiop
09:54 < Trooem> those koreans hardly 'speak' korean. they write well ok though.
09:54 < faceface> that is jongs account on decodeme
09:55 < faceface> Trooem: ?
09:55 < Trooem> i mean they don't speak english
09:55 < Trooem> oi......
09:55 < faceface> right
09:55 < faceface> Trooem: where do you work? Samsung? ;-0
09:55 < faceface> ;-)
09:55 < kanzure> hm decodeme is advertizing $195 USD on their home page
09:55 < Trooem> i'm stand alone affiliate marketer joint-venturing everywhere. :P
09:55 < kanzure> i wonder what that includes
09:56 < faceface> kanzure: actually, one wiki link I posted above has several 'snp calling' tools listed
09:56 < kanzure> neat
09:56 < kanzure> Trooem: http://decodeme.com/
09:56 < faceface> lemmy find it for you
09:56 < kanzure> v1 of mangafox looks much more cute http://v1.mangafox.com/
09:56 < faceface> http://seqanswers.com/wiki/Special:BrowseData/Bioinformatics%20application?Biological_domain=SNP_discovery
09:57 < kanzure> thanks
09:57 < Trooem> kanzure: my family can use that, thanks.
09:57 < faceface> in the korean genome project they used maq
09:57 < faceface> very popular tool I think
09:57 < faceface> heng li, the author of maq, seems cool
09:57 < kanzure> maq is a tool?
09:57 < faceface> he also developed bwa
09:57 < faceface> yup
09:58 < faceface> its a read mapping / snp calling tool
09:58 < faceface> produces a table of SNPs that, in theory, could be x-reffed with SNPedia
09:59 < faceface> the promehteus tool does some kind of automatic literature association with any given list of SNPs
09:59 < faceface> I think
09:59 < faceface> http://www.snpedia.com/index.php/Promethease
10:00 < faceface> kanzure: teh 195$ is a 'cardio scan'
10:00 < faceface> https://www.decodeme.com/store
10:07 < kanzure> fenn: any ideas on parsing this "JSON" data? http://pastebin.com/f12bc4f3c
10:08 < kanzure> i don't like how the attributes don't automagically have units.. how do i know one supplier uses meters and another uses inches?
10:09 < faceface> A postdoctoral research position is available for a highly motivated individual with excellent skills in molecular biology to join the Faulkner Lab at The Roslin Institute, University of Edinburgh. As a member of a multidisciplinary research group, the successful applicant will drive research projects based on the generation, analysis and cross-validation of next generation sequencing data derived from a range of human cell types.
10:10 < faceface> - One post-doc (2 years) to participate in the ERA-Net Pathogenomics
10:10 < faceface> Project “Pathomics, Host-pathogen protein-protein interactomes and their
10:10 < faceface> influence on the host metabolome”
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10:22 < Trooem> http://cnse.albany.edu/
10:22 < Trooem> College of nano-scale science and engineering.
10:23 < Trooem> albany sucks but good school maybe
10:28 < kanzure> mike grube and a friend made a ModEEG from the OpenEEG project, neat
10:29 < kanzure> http://openvibe.inria.fr/
10:32  * Trooem is lighting candles and dimming the room for meditating abstract ideas...
10:32 < Trooem> wow brain-computer interfaces...
10:32 < Trooem> connect this to 1 nanite, have human control,a
10:33 < Trooem> and we can fix... lot of things in our body
10:33 < Trooem> without surgery
10:33 < Trooem> bah
10:34 < Trooem> not a nanite in nano-scale with AI, but microscopic level- miniature machine
10:34 < Trooem> fixing up veins
10:34 < Trooem> or something 
10:34 < Trooem> ahahhaahah
10:34 < Trooem> wouldn't that be nice
10:34  * Trooem is really watching triple x, and thinking of underground russian marketers...
10:35  * Trooem triple x as in the movie with Vin Diesel.
10:38 < faceface> synthetic nerves could be a good spinal treatment
10:39 < faceface> nerve cells are > 1m in length
10:39 < faceface> which is why they can't be fixed
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10:42 < kanzure> mike grube wants to do a bci project with us
10:50 < Trooem> is that the guy from La Honda? the most prestigious tech R&D facility..?
10:51 < kanzure> http://dailydiy.com/2010/01/08/fab-your-own-lego/  (andrew plumb)
10:51 < kanzure> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1405
10:51 < kanzure> andrew plumb interview http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/10/interview_with_makerbot_owner_andre.html
10:51 < kanzure> (and andrew's on the makerbot mailing list often, i think he's recently fallen in love with heekscad)
10:51 < kanzure> Trooem: no
10:52 < Trooem> haha nvm
10:52 < Trooem> you guys are so high tech
10:52 < Utopiah> http://www.ebookshare.net/programming/Practical-Arduino-Cool-Projects-for-Open-Source-Hardware-Edition-December-2009-Retail-Ebook-ATTiCA-8099.html
10:56  * Trooem is sensing change in the winds... Something good's gonna happen...
11:02 < Trooem> for all of you :)
11:22 < genehacker> the wind changed here and all we got was cold weather...
11:25 < Trooem> the skies are gonna clear up~ put on a happy face~~~
11:25 < Trooem> feeling like a pirate here. where shall i head to
11:25 < Trooem> hmm
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12:15 < kanzure>     I was once told that a city needs a population of 250,000 to make 90%
12:15 < kanzure>     of its own needs and wants."
12:15 < kanzure> buh?
12:26 < genehacker> cities aren't totally self sufficient though
12:43 < kanzure> fenn: are you around?
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13:19 < kanzure> inter-hackerspace membership http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspaces/msg/ea4c38f8bca0bf85?hl=en
13:25 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: hm, Enterprise?
13:26 < ybit> kanzure: could you send an email to Mitch saying, oops, i also want files 
13:26 < ybit> more than likely there isn't a license tagged on them either
13:37 < kanzure> it sounded like there's a piece in the puzzle that he's missing, and the cnc machine design is a piece he already has
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14:03 < kanzure> hello thesnark
14:03 < thesnark> =D
14:17 < kanzure> grumble grumble http://stackoverflow.com/questions/156279/how-to-import-a-sql-server-bak-file-into-mysql/156479#156479
14:17 < thesnark> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/156279/how-to-import-a-sql-server-
14:17 < thesnark>           bak-file-into-mysql/156479#156479
14:17 < thesnark> sorry
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14:37 < ybit> re:inter-hackerspace membership, ick
14:37 < ybit> we went over this at the hackerspace meetup in hville this summer
14:38 < kanzure> right
14:38 < kanzure> i don't know about the whole "membership" idea anyway
14:39 < ybit> i don't like the idea of having some completely random guy coming over to our space and having full rights to whatever.. i don't mind sharing, but i don't see what's wrong with the current system, where you contact someone from a hackerspace and see if you can't visit while you are in town
14:40 < kanzure> the problem with the contact-whoever model is that that "whoever", then, has to be a "member"
14:40 < ybit> and that's a problem, how? :P
14:41 < kanzure> member selection criteria
14:42 < ybit> there would need to an agreed upon member selection criteria if i were to agree to opt for this inter-hackerspace membership idea
14:42 < kanzure> i don't want it either
14:42 < kanzure> but i thought it was worth forwarding
14:42 < ybit> sure
14:42 < kanzure> however, a co-op could be able to pull that off
14:42 < kanzure> especially if we have a co-op member in each hackerspace
14:43 < ybit> the guy who brought it up this summer was from the houston hackerspace
14:43 < kanzure> so you practically have "guaranteed" access as long as there's a gnusha hacker on the premises
14:45 < ybit> http://hackerspaces.soup.tv/
14:49 < kanzure> fenn: there's a hackerspace in bloomington
14:49 < kanzure> grr why are they called hackerspaces?
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14:50 < kanzure> hello darkcontrast 
14:50 < darkcontrast> hey :)
14:50 < kanzure> fyi darkcontrast runs austinhackerspace.org
14:50 < darkcontrast> figured i was more or less taking a break at work anyway :)
14:52 < ybit> hi darkcontrast 
14:52 < darkcontrast> hey all
14:52 < ybit> the name hackerspace isn't terrible, it's just that the terme is kind of cliche now
14:53 < ybit> s/terme/term
14:53 < kanzure> yeah i'm starting to think that most hackerspace people aren't aware of open source hardware
14:54 < ybit> certainly
14:54 < kanzure> i didn't know this
14:54 < kanzure> i thought they were all in on it
14:54 < ybit> i don't know about most, but there are going to be some whom it is new to
14:55 < kanzure> you're dropping words again ybit
14:55 < kanzure> oh wait
14:55 < kanzure> nope, not this time
14:55 < ybit> yay
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14:56 < ybit> hi zancas 
14:57 < ybit> my immediate todo: finish cutting down trees, start building a simple cnc router, multimachine, and setup some site to log progress to
14:58 < ybit> multimachine isn't replicable, but it's certainly cheap to build (for me), and can help certainly help (lathe, mill, and drill press all-in-one, yes please)
14:58 < ybit> on that note, afk
14:58 < kanzure> i think you should focus on open source hardware too, ybit
14:58 < kanzure> none of this unrepeatable crap
15:01 < darkcontrast> yeah i thought most "hacker spaces" or whatever were pretty big on OSH, at least as far as giving soldering classes and whatnot
15:01 < darkcontrast> the only reason austinhackerspace domain is around is i registered it after talking to the hacker space guys at defcon a couple years back
15:05 < zancas> howdy
15:07 < kanzure> darkcontrast: er, i wouldn't use soldering as an example
15:07 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source_hardware
15:08 < kanzure> "Open source hardware is hardware that is designed and offered in the same manner as free and open source software (FOSS). Open source hardware is part of the open source culture and applies the open source concept to hardware. The term usually means that information about the hardware is open to all. This would include the hardware design (i.e.schematics, bill of materials and PCB layout data), as well as a FOSS approach to the software that drives the hardware."
15:08 < ybit> http://www.defcon.org/images/defcon-main/maze.jpg :: phreaknic vids-> http://phreaknic.info/pn13/
15:08 < ybit> kanzure, agreed, i probably should focus on osh
15:09 < ybit> and ignore multimachine, but we'll see which gets uo going first
15:09 < ybit> s/uo/us
15:09  * ybit out
15:10 < bkero> I can has slashdot :D
15:10 < darkcontrast> kanzure: just meaning that hardware isn't entirely foreign to hacker spaces
15:11 < kanzure> oh, for sure
15:12 < darkcontrast> so were you guys serious about bringing/building a gene sequencer?
15:12 < kanzure> i don't have one yet
15:13 < kanzure> but yeah, les and i were thinking about that back last january
15:13 < kanzure> he seemed ok with the idea
15:13 < kanzure> er actually i think we were talking about a synthesizer
15:13 < kanzure> not a sequencer
15:16 < darkcontrast> ah, that makes more sense :)
15:16 < darkcontrast> i had heard it third-hand from matt or someone
15:16 < kanzure> jason was the one who said something, but he's not really bio-aware so sequencing/synthesis is still mixed up in his head
15:17 < kanzure> :p
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15:21 < darkcontrast> so synthesizing in 2010, sequencing in 2011? :)
15:23 < kanzure> hi andres__ 
15:23 < kanzure> fenn: are you around?
15:23 < andres__> hey bryan
15:23 < kanzure> darkcontrast: have you seen the skdb videos?
15:23 < kanzure> ybit: you there?
15:24 < darkcontrast> kanzure: have not, but i looked at the site and it sounds really cool
15:24 < kanzure> andres__: i fixed octopart.py a bit
15:24 < andres__> what did you change?
15:25 < kanzure> attribute names and whether or not filters and rangedfilters are present if there are no values
15:25 < andres__> i'm starting to think about v3 of the api...
15:25 < kanzure> one of the problems i'm having is that there's no units information
15:25 < kanzure> in skdb we have units.py and a Unit class
15:26 < kanzure> Unit("5m") and such
15:26 < andres__> there's units information but it's included in the search results
15:26 < kanzure> yeah that's not cool
15:26 < kanzure> :p
15:26 < kanzure> so there's an attribute named "length", and then some random number given in "values"
15:26 < andres__> every attribute has units associated with it so when you get a part, you know the units of the specs.
15:26 < kanzure> (in the parts/search results)
15:26 < kanzure> oh? maybe i was looking in the wrong place
15:27 < kanzure> this is what i see: http://pastebin.com/f15623d69
15:27 < andres__> "length" is a PartAttribute object with displayname "Length"
15:27 < kanzure> for instance see line 13
15:27 < kanzure> #
15:27 < kanzure>         size_length     [{'uncertainty_minus': None, 'value': 0.0044958000000000003, 'uncertainty_plus': None}]
15:27 < andres__> where did that come from?
15:27 < Trooem> so ah who came up with this SKDB idea?
15:27 < kanzure> this could be 0.0044m, or 0.4m, or 0.4km
15:28 < kanzure> Trooem: fenn and me
15:28 < Trooem> cool
15:28 < kanzure> but lots of people have thought about it before
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15:28 < Trooem> nice
15:28 < kanzure> andres__: this was generated by running "python octopart.py resistor" (so it's searching for "resistor")
15:28 < Trooem> hopefully we can monetize it efficiently as well
15:28 < andres__> here's a search for "resistor"http://octopart.com/api/v2/parts/search?q=resistor&limit=1&pretty_print=1
15:29 < kanzure> oh i see, the units are in the 'attribute' part of the dictionary
15:29 < kanzure> i didn't see that earlier
15:29 < kanzure> great
15:29 < andres__> at the bottom is a list of specs, each spec is an object with attributes "attribute" and a "values"
15:30 < andres__> all values are in SI units
15:30 < kanzure> hm
15:30 < kanzure> so are you guys using a Part class under the hood?
15:30 < kanzure> i heard from a beardie (a web page somewhere) that you're pythonistas
15:31 < andres__> yeah - mostly python. it's web programming though so we use a lot of other languages too.
15:31 < kanzure> the reason i ask is because if you already have implemented JSON->python object, that would save me some time
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15:31 < kanzure> simplejson.loads() just returns lists and dictionaries
15:31 < kanzure> instead of, say, a "part" object (we do this in SKDB often with YAML)
15:32 < andres__> unfortunately, we don't have JSON->python implemented because our code deals natively with python objects. We just have python->JSON.
15:32 < kanzure> heh okay
15:33 < andres__> anyways - take notes on the things you find frustrating so i can fix them for v3
15:33 < kanzure> for sure
15:34 < andres__> i'll probably add a schema controller so you can metadata about PartAttributes without doing a part search
15:35 < kanzure> fenn was wondering how you originally got data when octopart was starting
15:35 < kanzure> but he seems to be sleeping
15:36 < andres__> we wrote a crawler and parsed html
15:36 < kanzure> so instead, i was thinking i'd explain details on how a part ordering system could be implemented without cooperative suppliers (which it sounds like you have though)
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15:37 < andres__> if a supplier isn't cooperating it's difficult to maintain the code
15:37 < kanzure> true
15:37 < kanzure> have you seen zotero?
15:37 < andres__> no - what's that?
15:38 < kanzure> it's a firefox extension for scraping metadata from webpages that contain an abstract and link to a PDF of a scientific paper
15:38 < kanzure> it's written in javascript. what they have is a community of volunteers updating each of the scrapers for each of the sites
15:38 < kanzure> specifically i'm thinking of this model for order forms
15:41 < andres__> you still have to normalize parts across distributors - or were you thinking of starting with part lists from each distributor?
15:41 < kanzure> yes i was thinking we'd already have the dataset from them
15:41 < kanzure> it's easier to get a catalog than it is to get them to implement some fancy-dancy ordering system
15:41 < kanzure> (not sure i want to touch EDIC)
15:41 < andres__> in the form of a customer part list?
15:42 < kanzure> yes, let's say sparkfun lists product 51245 in octopart.com
15:42 < kanzure> then this script would be able to order part 51245 from sparkfun using their ordering form they presently have
15:43 < kanzure> in this scenario we're assuming that you have somehow acquired into octopart.com that sparkfun has a part with id=51245 of course
15:43 < andres__> that would work... except if a distributor's order form requires their primary key then it's more difficult.
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15:43 < kanzure> yeah if they call things differently on the web than in the data they give you, sure
15:43 < kanzure> that would be annoying :(
15:44 < andres__> right now we're not storing distributor's primary keys... you should be able to map a distributor sku to a primary key by querying their website though.
15:44 < kanzure> sku?
15:44 < kanzure> right
15:44 < andres__> supplier part number
15:45 < kanzure> the reason why we want this for SKDB is that if we have a BOM,
15:45 < kanzure> it would be amazingly awesome to automagically go order all 30 parts from 3 different suppliers or something
15:45 < kanzure> or in the more extreme cases where you have more than 5 suppliers 
15:46 < kanzure> and octopart is great because it can identify which supplier has what :)
15:46 < kanzure> s/has/sells/
15:46 < andres__> i think it would be good - if there's demand then we might be able to get primary keys from distributors.
15:47 < kanzure> recently someone on reddit cought on and got all gitty
15:47 < kanzure> http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/afpip/its_like_aptget_for_hardware/
15:47 < kanzure> (fwork's comment)
15:50 < andres__> yeah - that would be cool. is someone working on it?
15:50 < kanzure> i am
15:50 < andres__> how far along are you?
15:51 < kanzure> i have the nitty-gritty details down (like actual ordering, HTTP requests, blah blah blah)
15:51 < kanzure> but i don't have a good idea on a framework for this
15:51 < kanzure> maybe it would be best if this isn't all code, but rather settings, so that others can add in new suppliers in the future?
15:51 < kanzure> etc.
15:51 < andres__> i see... yeah that's probably the best way to do it.
15:53 < kanzure> so a file format for specifying how to auto-order from a website? "order form page: order form page form attributes/variables: "
15:53 < andres__> you could turn it into a webapp - someone uploads a part list -> use octopart to turn the part list into individual parts -> figure out optimum order -> use your backend to purchase
15:53 < kanzure> :)
15:53 < kanzure> in my experience parts lists aren't that long, so it would probably just be copy+paste into a giant box
15:53 < andres__> or import from skdb
15:54 < andres__> you'll need to manage user logins for each website too
15:54 < kanzure> do you have supplier profiles in octopart?
15:54 < andres__> not really... it's something we've been meaning to do for a while
15:55 < kanzure> by profile i mean at least "name" and "url to main website"
15:55 < kanzure> ooh
15:55 < kanzure> if octopart prices are correct that would help out a lot too
15:55 < kanzure> because that's an instant price quote, plus give them a "it will be this much or lower, never higher" guarantee deal
15:55 < andres__> that we have - suppliers are "Brand" objects: http://octopart.com/api/documentation#response_objects
15:56 < kanzure> so i guess this backend will run off of a cronjob
15:56 < andres__> octopart prices are as accurate as the datafeed which is typically <1 day old.
15:56 < kanzure> oh, i wasn't expecting that
15:56 < kanzure> it sounded like accountants were emailing you .xls files every once in a blue moon
15:57 < andres__> we get daily datafeeds from most distributors
15:57 < kanzure> that's awesome. :)
15:59 < kanzure> there's an skdb web app in the works, basically thingiverse crossed with instructables and the debian package repository
15:59 < kanzure> there's a "make" button next to each hardware project (package)
15:59 < kanzure> and a "buy" button which would be routed into this
15:59 < andres__> that's pretty cool. what does make do?
15:59 < kanzure> instruction generation
15:59 < andres__> sweet
15:59 < kanzure> in some cases a user will have CNC machines, so gcode will be generated for the machines
16:00 < kanzure> instructables has terrible quality control.. i figure automatic instruction generation (think military-grade?) will do wonders
16:01 < andres__> do you have any projects on instructables?
16:01 < kanzure> no
16:01 < kanzure> genehacker: don't you have a few?
16:01 < kanzure> whenever a user doesn't want to build a part, that's called an "out"- and they want to just buy a part
16:01 < kanzure> if they want to build an airplane, building their screws from scratch might not seem appealing to them
16:02 < kanzure> so they'd probably want to "buy" parts that are a certain distance away from the main components of an airplane
16:02 < kanzure> not everyone wants to re-engineer the big bang :)
16:04 < JayDugger> Step 0 for all skdb packages: First, make an electron.
16:12 < QuantumG> PeterDiamandis
16:12 < QuantumG>   
16:12 < QuantumG> 5 different teams coming up with 10+ X PRIZEs and 10+ X-Challenges in the Brain Computer Interface realm... Brain Enhancement coming soon!
16:16 < andres__> hey bryan - i need to get going
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16:40 < kanzure> QuantumG: pete estep was trying to do that with "the innerspace foundation"
16:47 < ybit> kanzure: i'm here now, went afk to get some lunch and to hand in some irs forms for the hackerspace
16:47 < ybit> kanzure: did you need anything?
16:47 < ybit> has mitch contacted you?
16:47 < kanzure> no mitch did not
16:47 < kanzure> andres did though
16:48 < ybit> and?
16:48 < kanzure> did you .. read it?
16:48 < kanzure> i was hoping you'd be here to talk
16:48 < ybit> oh i see
17:04 < QuantumG> A polycrystalline GaFeO3 sample was prepared using a conventional solid-state reaction method. 
17:04 < QuantumG> Stoichiometric mixtures of Ga2O3 and Fe2O3 with purity higher than 99.9% were mixed, grounded, pre-calcinated at 1173K and then 1323K for 12 h, respectively. 
17:04 < QuantumG> Finally, it was sintered at 1493K for 12 h.
17:04 < QuantumG> .. anyone know what kinda equipment you need for that?
17:07 < QuantumG> http://www.crystec.com/kllsinte.htm   looks painful :)
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17:24 < kanzure> hello thesnark 
17:25 < thesnark> hello kanzure
17:25 < ybit> grr
17:25 < ybit> i have to come up with a name for this organization -_-
17:25 < ybit> humcie foundation
17:25 < ybit> sounds good enough for me
17:26 < ybit> if someone in here grabs that domain name i will slap you with a trout on irc
17:27 < thesnark> oh wut, better get that domain before ybit
17:27 < ybit> :P
17:27 < thesnark> =D
17:28 < ybit> if you are in germany, i think co.de is still available
17:28 < thesnark> O_O WHAT
17:28 < kanzure> ybit: for what organization?
17:28 < ybit> the hackerspace here
17:28  * kanzure rolls his eyes
17:29 < ybit> it's not my fault, the irs ask for it
17:29 < ybit> asks
17:29 < kanzure> so.. you're officially going to be doing your own thing?
17:29 < ybit> yep
17:30 < kanzure> gee thanks
17:30 < QuantumG> http://www.eplceramics.com/microwave_furnace_1.3.html
17:30 < ybit> financially, it's better if i stay here
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17:34 < nmz787> howdy
17:34 < drazak> Hey nathan
17:34 < kanzure> hello
17:34 < nmz787> whats going on here?
17:35 < drazak> not a whole lot, sorry I can't give you any HL-1 cells
17:36 < nmz787> yeah thats fine, i was lookin at the paper published when they developed them
17:36 < drazak> if you email claycomb, call you have to do is pay for the shipping (and the media, and the additives... and the fibronectin if you don't have any, and posibly the gelatin)
17:36 < nmz787> to see if i could make the media cheaper
17:36 < drazak> well, you'd have to buy some of his media, then experiemnt, which is expensive
17:36 < nmz787> yeah, my prof is still interested, she told me to write a paper on the media and culturing them for the next assignment due
17:36 < drazak> but most of the stuff in there is tweaked so they'll keep beating
17:37 < drazak> haha, nice
17:37 < drazak> I live in a world without papers
17:37 < nmz787> the PNAS paper showed the media formulation, i believe
17:37 < nmz787> aww
17:37 < nmz787> its a free one
17:37 < nmz787> http://www.pnas.org/content/95/6/2979.full
17:38 < drazak> I meant without having to write them
17:38 < nmz787> ooo
17:38 < nmz787> lol
17:38 < drazak> I have that paper, and a bunch of others where they use them
17:39 < nmz787> well, when you're smart, intelligent smart, not just memorize and puke up facts smart... profs realize your worth, and let you slide on deadlines and stuff... the good profs at least
17:39 < drazak> I'm a highschool student, I just work in a lab
17:39 < nmz787> what do you do there?
17:39 < drazak> although I have the winter off, due to bowling, I bowl basically every day
17:39 < nmz787> i wish i had that opportunity when i was that young
17:40 < drazak> run experiments for the prof, run a few of my own
17:40 < nmz787> how did you get that gig?
17:40 < drazak> I'm going to have a project for the summer, probably
17:40 < drazak> I just emailed around
17:40 < nmz787> must have excellent grades for trustability, being only in HS
17:40 < drazak> hahahaha
17:40 < drazak> my grades are shit
17:40 < nmz787> lol
17:40 < nmz787> welcome to the club then
17:41 < drazak> I proved my worth by being to describe sever lab practices to him at better than phd level, according to him
17:41 < drazak> several
17:41 < nmz787> very good
17:41 < nmz787> so many ppl here at RIT are just here to get a degree and go get a job
17:41 < kanzure> zach smith on open source manufacturing and reprap http://www.archive.org/details/NYLUG_2007_07_11_General_Meeting
17:42 < kanzure> somehow i doubt zach smith is into open source manufacturing
17:42 < nmz787> i had a fight with a girl my first year ( i took 2 years after i was 18 to finally come to college)
17:42 < kanzure> i mean, er, the community
17:42 < drazak> heh
17:42 < nmz787> because i was asking too many questions about the lab protocol our group came up with
17:43 < drazak> nice
17:43 < nmz787> it failed in the end too
17:43 < nmz787> giving us no results
17:43 < drazak> some people are stubborn
17:43 < drazak> I wonder if he's used my EMSA protocal yet
17:43 < nmz787> but, i at least learned one way to get bad results, whereas that girl was probably just pissed
17:43 < drazak> he used to do EMSA radioactively, but I wrote an etbr/sybrgreen protocol
17:44 < nmz787> whats emsa
17:44 < drazak> electrophoretic mobility shift assay
17:44 < drazak> it's judging whether a certain protein bonded a piece of dna
17:44 < nmz787> ooo
17:45 < nmz787> wikipediad it
17:45 < kanzure> Techkriti'10 open hardware project?
17:45 < drazak> radioactive is more sensitive, but etbr/sybrgreen is pretty decent too
17:46 < kanzure> "openEyes, open-source open-hardware toolkit for low-cost real-time eye
17:46 < kanzure> tracking"
17:47 < nmz787> were you guys talking about something completely different b4 i joined, or am i only seeing drazak and kanzures messages?
17:47 < kanzure> hm wonder why ycombinator peeps are finding out about open source manufacturing http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1038921
17:47 < kanzure> nmz787: i'm just pasting some links. please ignore me.
17:48 < nmz787> ok
17:48 < nmz787> is this thing logged?
17:48 < thesnark> haha
17:49 < thesnark> Assume it is :-)
17:49 < thesnark> public channel = probably logged
17:49 < drazak> not by me :P
17:49 < nmz787> well, too bad, i was just about to discuss a great new idea that could easily be open sourced pending the proper discussion
17:49 < nmz787> but
17:49 < nmz787> i guess i'll just keep it to myself now, maybe keep it as a trade secret
17:50 < thesnark> hm, why would it matter if it's logged?
17:50 < nmz787> lol
17:50 < thesnark> even if you did have an idea like that?
17:50 < thesnark> anyway ideas will come with or without any individuals participation :-)
17:50 < nmz787> lol
17:50 < nmz787> i dunno
17:51 < nmz787> just dont wanna say anything too outrageous i guess
17:51 < thesnark> my penis is green
17:51 < nmz787> why is it that ubuntu releases AMD64 ISOs... do they totally work if you have an intel proc???
17:51 < thesnark> there
17:51 < nmz787> better get that checked out
17:52 < nmz787> this damn live cd is taking like 5 minutes to boot, and now is just a black screen
17:52 < thesnark> AMD64 is a kind of architecture 
17:52 < nmz787> so is that what the XEON uses?
17:52 < thesnark> haha I don't know, look it up
17:52 < thesnark> should be on the xeon's wiki page
17:52 < nmz787> i thought kanzure would tell me
17:53 < nmz787> i guess i should do a cd verification
17:53 < nmz787> god, this sucks
17:53 < kanzure> anyone has some ideas? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2021063/export-from-opencascade-import-into-openscenegraph
17:56 < drazak> nmz787: any 64 bit processor is amd64
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17:58 < kanzure> hello rejon 
17:58 < kanzure> join #sharism
17:58 < kanzure> er
17:58 < kanzure> fail :(
17:58 < ybit> hah
17:59 < ybit> you'll have to share something with rejob in another channel now :P
17:59 < ybit> rejon *
17:59 < rejon> hi
17:59 < ybit> hello
18:00 < kanzure> rejon: were those links interesting?
18:01 < rejon> yes
18:01 < rejon> totally
18:01 < rejon> some of them i know
18:01 < rejon> but good stuff all around
18:01 < kanzure> yeah it's kind of hit and miss, dunno what some people know and what they don't know
18:03 < rejon> yes, true
18:03 < rejon> I'm most interested in copyleft hardware approach
18:03 < kanzure> are you familiar with apt-get
18:04 < nmz787> yes
18:05 < kanzure> nmz787: well, i'm trying to explain to rejon that skdb is apt-get for open source hardware / copyleft hardware
18:05 < kanzure> except not just digital :)
18:05 < nmz787> except with nothing in the repo! and you can]
18:05 < kanzure> hm?
18:05 < nmz787> cant apt-get skdb
18:05 < kanzure> there's a few things in the repo
18:05 < kanzure> true that, but we packaged pythonocc into a .deb
18:06 < thesnark> so $5k total
18:06 < thesnark> shit
18:06 < kanzure> that might be doable :)
18:06 < kanzure> as long as you don't say $100M or something stupid like that
18:06 < thesnark> hahah
18:07 < nmz787> $5k for what?
18:07 < thesnark> nothing....
18:07 < thesnark> haha
18:07 < kanzure> nmz787: skdb has funding :)
18:07 < nmz787> very nice
18:07 < rejon> http://adl.serveftp.org/dokuwiki/skdb
18:07  * kanzure nods
18:07 < rejon> aha
18:08 < rejon> cool
18:08 < kanzure> it makes more sense if you've used apt-get before
18:08 < nmz787> btw i have access (even to modify) a makerbot
18:08 < kanzure> nmz787: makerbot should be put into an skdb package for sure
18:08 < kanzure> i'm getting one soon, and i'll be throwing it into a cubespawn cube
18:08 < nmz787> do you know what VLC is rejon?
18:08 < kanzure> it's a "standardized form factor" for open hardware projects
18:08 < rejon> yes
18:08 < kanzure> so if we can stuff a makerbot into it and demonstrate it.. :)
18:08 < nmz787> so if you start an ubuntu live cd
18:09 < nmz787> you know what ubuntu is right?
18:09  * thesnark laughs hard
18:09 < kanzure> nmz787: vlc media player?
18:09 < nmz787> yes
18:10 < nmz787> ok so ubuntu is a easy to use linux operating system distribution, available online to download for free
18:10 < nmz787> if you boot up your linux CD, and then want to play MP3s or some video you have or something
18:10 < nmz787> VLC works wonders
18:11 < nmz787> so ubuntu doesn't ship with VLC installed by default
18:11 < kanzure> why are you telling rejon about this?
18:11 < nmz787> so all you have to do to install it is open a command terminal, and type "sudo apt-get install vlc"
18:11 < nmz787> it downloads VLC and any programs it depends on, sets it all up, and you're ready to use VLC
18:12 < nmz787> you said you were trying to explain how to use apt-get
18:12 < kanzure> no
18:12 < kanzure> but thanks anyway
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18:13 < rejon> huh
18:14 < drazak> explaining how skdb is like apt-get
18:15 < nmz787> well skdb wants to be that easy, instead of setting up some useful program like VLC with one line of code... you use it to print some usefull tool with your makerbot or 3D printer with one line
18:15 < nmz787> so instead of apt-get install VLC.... you would say something like skdb-get print compactDiscJewelCase
18:15 < kanzure> skdb-get build laser-cannon :)
18:15 < nmz787> and bam, your 3D printer starts printing something 
18:15 < nmz787> lol
18:16 < nmz787> now we need a bit more infrastructure than a maker bot IMO
18:16 < nmz787> for that
18:16 < kanzure> yes
18:16 < kanzure> that's the plan
18:17 < kanzure> although if you have a makerbot laying around,
18:17 < kanzure> i've been meaning to hook skdb up to it
18:17 < kanzure> i think through replicatorg, is it?
18:18 < nmz787> i dont know much about the thing
18:18 < nmz787> when i heard what its manufacturing tolerances were
18:19 < nmz787> i jsut decided it was too shitty for microscale stuff and began designing my own
18:19 < nmz787> do you know of any microfluidic shape cookbooks?
18:19 < nmz787> i hope to have a cheap device built, and maybe a kit available sometime soon for microfluidic prototyping
18:20 < nmz787> gonna do prototyping of the device with a mini CNC mill, but then move to using commodity hardware with a custom electronic backend
18:37 < nmz787> see ya
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19:00 < JayDugger> Ah, kanzure, so did you see a Cubespawn first-hand?
19:01  * kanzure nods
19:01 < kanzure> dinner :) homecooked meal. yummy.
19:02 < JayDugger> Cubespawn cooked you a dinner?
19:03 < JayDugger> What did you think?
19:30 < ybit> what? 
19:31 < ybit> details please
19:37 < JayDugger> I wondered what kanzure thought of the Cubespawn he saw.
19:38 < kanzure> i meant to imply that i was going to dinner
19:38 < kanzure> the cubespawn looked fine to me
19:39 < JayDugger> I apologize for interrupting your meal.
19:41 < JayDugger> Not vaporware, or overly ramshackle?
19:44 < kanzure> does anyone know MTK?
19:44 < kanzure> JayDugger: not vaporware for sure.
19:45 < kanzure> especially since i have his money..
19:45 < JayDugger> Good. MTK?
19:55 < kanzure> apparently they sell kits to shanzhai production peeps
20:01 < genehacker> CNC milling microfluidics?
20:01 < genehacker> sounds like you're trying to make fluidics
20:01 < kanzure> http://sharism.cc/
20:02 < kanzure> "“Sharism at Work” is a Hong Kong based startup building copyleft consumer electronics."
20:02 < genehacker> kits for shanzhai, sounds awesome
20:03 < kanzure> MTK = Marvell Technology Group
20:03 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvell_Technology_Group
20:03 < kanzure> hrm
20:03 < kanzure> that doesn't look right
20:05 < kanzure> Taipei?
20:05 < kanzure> oh might be MediaTek
20:11 < kanzure> stalk: atommann1981@hotmail.com
20:13 < JayDugger> Ah. Thanks.
20:25 < Trooem> ooooooooo nice
20:32 < Trooem> chinese sure like sweet and sour... hmm
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21:01 < genehacker> http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18359-how-to-make-a-liquid-invisibility-cloak.html?DCMP=OTC-rss&nsref=online-news
21:02 < genehacker> liquid metamaterials
21:05 < kanzure> looks like MTK only does cell phones. that's boring.
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22:33 < kanzure> "The most important scarcity is the absence of a perspective of abundance."
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