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00:10 < randallagordon> Marvell makes all sorts of ICs
00:11 < randallagordon> oh...MediaTek is only cell phones?
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00:16 < kanzure> randallagordon: to be honest i have no clue. "shanzhai" seems to be a term only for cell phones.
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00:16 < kanzure> hello splicer
00:16 < splicer> hi kanzure
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01:12 < kanzure> http://www.design-reuse.eu/view/a-make-electronics-lab-journal,12265 picked up cathal's dremelfuge
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01:13 < kanzure> http://theproductbay.org/
01:16 < kanzure> arduino-powered mood meter http://www.design-reuse.eu/view/arduinopowered-mood-meter,12266
01:16 < kanzure> instructables.com is hiring a "user interface engineer" a.k.a javascript dood http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/eng/1542141688.html
01:19 < kanzure> pythonocc 0.4 released today http://tpaviot.webfactional.com/blog/
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01:24 < kanzure> does anyone know about "the human speechome project"?
01:26 < katsmeow-afk> Data is being gathered at an average rate of 200 gigabytes per day.
01:26 < katsmeow-afk> damn
01:28 < katsmeow-afk> they could just ask kids wth aspergers
01:29 < katsmeow-afk> ~1962 it took me 10 minutes to figure out they were not mispronouncing "automatic" for "atomic", and calling a wringer washer "automatic" was my intrduction to lies in advertising
01:29 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHdRJqi__Z8 is awesome
01:31 < katsmeow-afk> transcript?
01:31 < QuantumG> nah, the cool part is that they've combined 4 different lectures on the same topic
01:31 < katsmeow-afk>  thorium reserve in Lemhi Pass of Idaho/Montana was 600000 tons
01:31  * nsh has question
01:32 < katsmeow-afk> we all have those, nsh
01:32 < QuantumG> for example, "where's nsh?"  I'm asking that all the time
01:32 < nsh> why do people think that 'for' is a good way to link the operands in phrases such as "replace X for Y", "substitute X for Y", "mispronounce X for Y"
01:33 < nsh> is this magically unambiguous if you happened to burst womb in north america?
01:33 < nsh> replace X with Y, mispronounce A as B
01:33 < nsh> thank you.
01:33 < katsmeow-afk> i think it's because of the phrase "use for"
01:34 < nsh> hmm
01:34 < nsh> my brain parses that differently
01:34 < nsh> ugh, now i'm thinking about reverse polish notation in sentences
01:34 < katsmeow-afk> i am not disagreeing with you, however, if i spoke any more correctly irl, then absolutely no one irl would understand me
01:35 < nsh> you need to speak with projectiles more :-)
01:35  * nsh wishes he could sleep like all the normal people
01:35 < katsmeow-afk> that's gotten me into enough trouble
01:35 < nsh> instead of trawling html comments on nsa.gov on a whim
01:36 < katsmeow-afk> hell, they even ignored the projectiles part , even after picking up the side effectsof the projectiles
01:36 < nsh> pray expand
01:37 < katsmeow-afk> oh, lets not
01:37 < nsh> ok
01:37 < nsh> '(pronounced "speech-ome", rhymes with "genome")' ... fuck you wikipedia
01:38 < katsmeow-afk> well, somone wold be sure to say it speech-o-me
01:39 < nsh> sounds like a weapon from H2G2
01:39 < nsh> "Many older English poems, particularly those written in Middle English or written in The Renaissance, contain rhymes that were originally true or full rhymes, but as read by modern readers they are now eye rhymes because of shifts in pronunciation. An example is prove and love." --http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_rhyme
01:40 < nsh> does that mean they pronounced prove as in "pruv", or love as in louvre?
01:41 < nsh> either way sounds pretty gay. no wonder they wore those frilly neck travesties
01:41 < katsmeow-afk> here they say "de techer larned mah my speeching"
01:41  * nsh read that in the voice bart uses to say "i wash mahself with a rag onna stick"
01:41 < katsmeow-afk> or chief and chef ?
01:42  * nsh wonders how human specheome baby will be psychologically affected
01:43 < katsmeow-afk> went = we-unt
01:43 < katsmeow-afk> road = raod
01:43 < katsmeow-afk> rah-ode
01:44 < katsmeow-afk> cow = caw-oh or cay-ow
01:44 < katsmeow-afk> or worse case: cay-yeow
01:44 < nsh> if you have time to pronounce cow with two syllables, chances are you're NOT EVOLVING HARD ENOUGH
01:45 < QuantumG> heh
01:45 < katsmeow-afk> i am convinced some chars from Star Wars were named after southern words: Chewbacca? = do you chew tobacco? <<== i have heard that myself
01:45 < QuantumG> whenever I see quotes from ye-olde books I see people putting 'e' on the end of dozens of words I've never seen 'e' on the end of before.
01:46 < katsmeow-afk> i do that in fun sometimes
01:46 < QuantumG> it's like people in the 17th century just thought it was funny to shove 'e' on the end of words
01:46 < katsmeow-afk> maybe it was a gender denotation, like 'o' and 'a'?
01:47 < QuantumG> I just imagine wig wearing dudes with quill pens scribbling e's and giggling like people writing 'oh hai' today
01:50 < katsmeow-afk> and as prudish as some were back then, the ducks were naked for down pillows and writing pens
01:51 < katsmeow-afk> that thorium speech is 70megabytes, i'd prefer html text and pics
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02:01 < QuantumG> if you're gunna read you might as well just read a book on the subject
02:02 < katsmeow-afk> there's been a lot on the internet over thorium
02:03 < QuantumG> wanna know why?
02:03 < katsmeow-afk> cause it's good stuff?
02:03 < QuantumG> http://selenianboondocks.com/2010/01/happy-new-year/
02:04 < QuantumG> he's talking about ITAR and its restriction on speech about rockets by knowledgeable people
02:04 < QuantumG> but the same argument applies to nuclear secrecy.
02:05 < QuantumG> "It is annoying to me that my concepts are probably reinventing the square wheel for the most part and the people that know can’t straighten me out or take the few good ones further."
02:06  * katsmeow-afk nods
02:08 < katsmeow-afk> well, the other thing i have noticed is some misinfo on military design, like the accordion submarine plans, praps no one wants the idiotic plans debunked
02:10 < QuantumG> ya, those parts of ITAR are funny.. it specifically prohibits US citizens from telling non-US citizens that they are designing their weapons wrong.  
02:10 < QuantumG> I watch ITAR violations happen on the arocket list every day
02:11 < QuantumG> because many of the people on there would rather say "you're more likely to blow your hands off using that propellant, don't do that." than obey the law.
02:14 < katsmeow-afk> damned considerate well meaning bastards
02:14 < katsmeow-afk> oops, sorry
02:14 < katsmeow-afk> didn't mean to say that aloud
02:15 < QuantumG> I've sure the US gov would prefer them to allow all those evil foreigners to blow their fingers off
02:15 < katsmeow-afk> well, sure, less fingers = less ieds
02:19 < katsmeow-afk> i am stillw aiting on the black hats to deny they got the xmas bomber to use the wrong materials or the wrong methods
02:19 < katsmeow-afk> "x blows up ok, and y blows up ok, but x + y is a really big bang", when praps it's a dud, as it was
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09:54 < thesnark> morning
10:01 < kanzure> no!
10:08 < kanzure> fenn: who is jonathan nelson?
10:09 < kanzure> from jelle: evocad, evolution-assisted CAD http://www.demo.cs.brandeis.edu/pr/buildable/evocad/aid00/
10:09 < kanzure> jelle finally read through http://adl.serveftp.org/lab/presentations/updates-from-austin.pdf
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11:16 < kanzure> superkuh: do you know of a paper that explores an EEG setup with 32+ channels?
11:16 < superkuh> No.
11:16 < kanzure> in particular i'm trying to find "good" examples of high-throughput EEG, i.e. human commands/control
11:16 < kanzure> hints for how to search for this on google scholar would be nice too
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11:22 < kanzure> hello Kuro_ 
11:22 < Kuro_> Hello.
11:22  * kanzure just linked matt campbell to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnfW9ggtiEk the mfg.com open source CNC machine video
11:23 < ybit> files yet?
11:23 < ybit> i'm sure you'll post when they become available, so no more pestering
11:23 < kanzure> ybit: no, i'm waiting to send a follow-up email until later today when my phone will have a charge (i forgot my phone charger when i went to mum's)
11:24 < kanzure> http://www.printerscats.com/index.php?tag=fabber&page=3 Miniaturización de la Civilización
11:24 < kanzure> printerscats.com .. what a terrible domain name. easily misconstrued
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12:02 < kanzure>  Temporal Change in Bimanual Interkeypress Intervals and Self-Reported Symptoms During Continuous Typing 
12:02 < kanzure> wish they would have done this study on QWERTY and dvorak
12:02 < kanzure> to see if it's really a per-hand issue or something to do with the keyboard layout
12:03 < kanzure> they found that the left hand types slower when you start pushing 90, 60 or even 30min of continuous typing
12:04 < kanzure> ah someone else had the same idea. "Effects of input methods on inter-key press intervals during continuous typing."
12:04 < kanzure> "Microsoft New Phonetic and Boshiamy, "
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12:49 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/braininterface (thesnark)
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12:57 < Utopiah> http://www.wired.com/video/latest-videos/latest/1815816633/open-source-3d-printer-turns-designs-into-objects/61029613001
13:05 < kristianpaul> hope they move to reprap
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13:24 < ybit> http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/08/vuzix-wrap-920ar-augmented-reality-video-eyewear-can-you-afford/
13:29 < Trooem> where is kanzure?
13:43 < thesnark> ybit ar is on its way up for sure
13:44 < thesnark> it's so cheap 
13:47 < ybit> thesnark: i think you may be the first person aside from kanzure or fenn to actually edit dokuwiki and add another page :)
13:47 < thesnark> hah
13:47 < ybit> gg
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14:54  * Trooem is formulating a fomula of form for fo f
14:55 < Trooem> ....doesn't make sense
15:02 < kanzure> good to be home
15:03 < Trooem> where were you?
15:03 < Trooem> oh
15:03 < kanzure> mom's house while i was recovering
15:03 < Trooem> it took you only a day to recover? haha 
15:03 < kanzure> ybit: i'm not happy with dokuwiki entirely. maybe i'll play with hatta-wiki some more
15:03 < Trooem> wolverine man
15:03 < kanzure> Trooem: take the pain like a man
15:04 < Trooem> i'll take the pain like wolverine thanks. just give me nanites healing my body one day.
15:04 < Trooem> never as a human will i want to get sick.
15:04 < Trooem> but a mutant!
15:05 < Trooem> kanzure, get online on gtalk, i've got quite a few things to talk about, devised few interesting plan
15:05 < Trooem> plans
15:06 < kanzure> i literally just got home. give me a few seconds to boot up everything.
15:07 < Trooem> sureeeeeeeee
15:07 < Trooem> ok
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15:36 < kanzure> http://www.longtail.com/.m/the_long_tail/2009/01/a-business-mode.html a business model for open source hardware
15:50 < thesnark> hmm I think the business model would be the easier part....not everybody can manufacture everything on their own
15:50  * thesnark goes on to actually read the article
15:50 < kanzure> right
15:50 < kanzure> the article got it right i think
15:50 < kanzure> at least the concept of (1) not everyone wants to make their own screws, and (2) different people call it "quits" at different places, so instruction generation is really useful
15:52 < thesnark> this strategy is already being used by a few companies, olimex in bulgaria being one
15:52 < thesnark> it will be interesting to see how the regulations get with this stuff
15:52 < thesnark> I bet you the powers that be will claim "safety issues" with open source hardware or something stupid like that
15:53 < kanzure> yep, so kits would come with the warnings and signed consent and other things like that
15:53 < thesnark> =D
15:53 < kanzure> "it's your choice how to assemble these things.. this is the way that most people don't die: plug X into Z"
15:53 < thesnark> haha
15:54 < kanzure> were you in here when andres explained his idea for wiring up skdb and octopart? the automatic ordering system i pitched him
15:56 < thesnark> no
15:59 < kanzure> user picks something they want to build/make on an skdb-front-end-website -> spits out a BOM -> BOM goes to octopart -> results are organized, classified, cheapest first, etc. etc. -> parts on material list are automatically purchased once the user types in cc info and whatever
16:01 < randallagordon> nice
16:01 < randallagordon> Sounds slick
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16:02 < kanzure> it would also be nice to somehow have all the parts arrive at a central location first so that instructions can be added.. but in the mean time i guess they will be emailed or generated and ask the user to save them or something
16:11 < kanzure> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Call-in/2010-01-10
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17:18 < kanzure> good ol' internet connection. laggy as usual, even when i pay the bill
17:18 < thesnark> trying to download papers from you....
17:19 < thesnark> failing...
17:19 < kanzure> who is "william millard" is
17:19 < kanzure> oh, from heybryan.org?
17:19 < thesnark> yes
17:19 < thesnark> heybryan.org
17:23 < kanzure> yeah don't do that
17:23  * kanzure kills apacvhe
17:24 < kanzure> ok try now
17:27 < kanzure> still painfully slow on my end
17:29 < kanzure> http://goertzel.org/HPlusNewsletterNewYears2010.pdf
17:29 < thesnark> kanzure it's slower =[
17:29 < thesnark> _much_ slower now actually
17:29 < thesnark> don't worry about it, I'll get them later
17:30 < thesnark> kanzure you should do traffic analysis on your end to see what is taking your bandwidth
17:30 < thesnark> kanzure they _probably_ are giving you what you are paying for
17:31 < thesnark> but it's time for me to go socialize now. back later tonight.
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17:32 < kanzure> random open hardware stuff about openmoko and barriers to entry http://www.mail-archive.com/community@lists.openmoko.org/msg56704.html
17:34 < kanzure> i still find it weird how nature.com thinks diybio is a synthetic biology group
17:50 < splicer> what would you call it.. citizen science?
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18:02 < kanzure> splicer: i'd call it do-it-yourself biology
18:02 < kanzure> they don't have to be citizens
18:02  * Trooem scared kanzure away. :(
18:03 < Trooem> i'm sorry :P
18:03 < Trooem> i talk too much.
18:04  * Trooem is going to relax now... focus on what he needs.
18:04 < Trooem> wow looks like longevity research is coming to fruition(!)
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18:15 < Trooem> hello genehackler
18:16  * Trooem is going to look back on his practice in solitude for a while...
18:17  * Trooem is getting a bit paranoid...
18:18 < genehacker> so Trooem what technological sins have you commited recently, or shall we discuss this in a private heavily encrypted chat?
18:20 < Trooem> that would be more...
18:20 < Trooem> safe.
18:20 < Trooem> bah
18:20 < Trooem> hahaha shall i message you in this channel?
18:21  * Trooem is a sinner.
18:21  * Trooem will become a greater sinner.
18:21  * Trooem however, sinner with money.
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18:27 < JayDugger> Neat! A 3D printer using cement or plaster. http://rockprinter.com
18:28 < genehacker> is that the one that printed that weird organic gazebo thing?
18:28 < genehacker> or something new?
18:28 < genehacker> oh it is
18:28 < JayDugger> I don't know of the one which printed "that weird organic gazebo thing."
18:29 < JayDugger> Did seacrete ever come up in the chats here?
18:29 < genehacker> no but seasteading has
18:29 < JayDugger> Darn. 
18:29 < JayDugger> I hoped someone had tried that.
18:29 < JayDugger> Oh well.
18:29 < genehacker> the consensus on seacrete is that it's not a magic bullet
18:29 < JayDugger> A magic bullet for what?
18:29 < genehacker> seasteading
18:30 < JayDugger> I wouldn't think so, no.
18:30 < genehacker> seacrete is?
18:30 < JayDugger> I doubt seasteading has a magic technical solution of any kind.
18:30 < JayDugger> Few political problems have technical solutions.
18:31 < genehacker> I'm not so sure about that
18:31 < genehacker> who says we can't do things algorithmically?
18:31 < genehacker> using pie slicing algorithms and what not?
18:31 < genehacker> so what's seacrete again
18:31 < JayDugger> Fission bombs come to mind, but that's about all.
18:31 < JayDugger> Anyhow...
18:32 < JayDugger> You can precipitate dissolved minerals from seawater onto a conductive mesh.
18:32 < genehacker> how fast is the process?
18:32 < JayDugger> I've never seen good details on the process, and it might have encumbering patents.
18:33 < JayDugger> I've meant for decades to try it in an aquarium, but good intentions pave a slow road to anywhere.
18:33 < JayDugger> sorry, good intentions pave a slow road to nowhere.
18:33 < genehacker> well seawater sitting in an aquarium for a long time can't be good either
18:34 < JayDugger> Oh, I don't know. People keep salt water fish in aquariums, after all.
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18:34 < genehacker> salt water tends to like to form growing salty crusts as it dries
18:34 < JayDugger> I know from my Dad's experience that it's not easy, but hardly impossible.
18:34 < JayDugger> Yeah, I spent some time in the Navy. :)
18:35 < genehacker> well I guess you could kill all that biological stuff and be fine
18:35 < JayDugger> In a test tank, you'd just buy ocean salt mix from a pet store, dip a chicken wire mesh, and attach a power supply.
18:35 < genehacker> anyway so you want to use it to print huge structures in seawater
18:36 < genehacker> well find a cheap aquarium or something on craigslist and make a space in your garage
18:36 < JayDugger> I don't know about that. I live pretty far inland, and probably wouldn't use it anything larger than a forty-gallon tank would hold.
18:36 < JayDugger> Right. 
18:37 < JayDugger> Step 0: buy a house with a garage.
18:37 < genehacker> I live fairly inland two
18:37 < genehacker> *too
18:37 < genehacker> also in Dallas area
18:37 < JayDugger> Really? We might be neighbors, at least for Texas-sized definitions of "neighbor."
18:38 < genehacker> I live in Plano
18:38 < JayDugger> Irving, here.
18:39 < JayDugger> Too bad there's no details on the rockprinter site.
18:40 < genehacker> http://www.green-trust.org/seacrete.htm
18:41 < genehacker> http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~minides/
18:41 < genehacker> found it
18:41 < JayDugger> UT Austin, no less. 
18:42 < JayDugger> Ah, Thank.
18:42 < JayDugger> thanks, even.
18:42 < genehacker> yup and hookem
18:44 < genehacker> this is the 3d gazebo printer thing I was talking about:
18:44 < genehacker> http://www.d-shape.com/
18:44 < genehacker> it has a resolution of 25 DPI
18:45 < JayDugger> And for fairly large objects, too.
18:49 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biorock
18:49 < genehacker> so it's an expensive process
18:50 < genehacker> but I wonder if you could use a guided electrode to grow weird shapes
18:51 < kanzure> i haven't seen any EEG papers showing anything better than 15 words/minute
18:51 < genehacker> is that faster than stephen hawking's current output method?
18:51 < JayDugger> I don't see why you couldn't, or use successive electrode sheets to layer up any thickness you please.
18:51 < kanzure> stephen has been getting slower and slower
18:52 < JayDugger> Whether you'd get stronger results with electrodes more like rebar than conductive thread, I don't know.
18:52 < genehacker> he doesn't use EEG
18:52 < kanzure> last time i heard he was working on a system of blinks
18:52 < genehacker> yeah
18:52 < JayDugger> My ignorance of concrete fills volumes.
18:53 < genehacker> well you can treat concrete like a composite and it's generally pretty hard to figure out the strength of composites without testing them
18:54 < genehacker> though calculating young's modulus is pretty easy
18:55 < JayDugger> Point taken. I'm not about to try making any in the next few days, so no worries.
18:55 < genehacker> seacrete costs $1 per kg so it's fairly expensive
18:55 < JayDugger> Where did you find that number?
18:55 < genehacker> wikipedia
18:56 < JayDugger> Found it.
18:58 < genehacker> whoa traditional concrete cost about $0.05 per kg
18:58 < JayDugger> Ha. That explains why we build cities of the stuff. 
18:58 < genehacker> seacrete's 22 times more expensive
18:59 < flamt> 18:49 < flamt> http://ansistego.sf.net/telepathic-critterdrug.tgz
18:59 < flamt> 18:50 < flamt> added a communal hallucination canvas o_o
18:59 < flamt> 18:50 < flamt> to draw and watch
18:59 < flamt> 18:50 < flamt> 3d well time bounded with rewind
18:59 < flamt> 18:50 < flamt> brb
19:00 < JayDugger> Concrete's harder to repair, I expect.
19:01 < genehacker> well that could change the lifecycle cost
19:01 < genehacker> be interesting to see which is cheaper
19:03 < JayDugger> Good point. I think that calculation would depend on specifics of each case.
19:04 < flamt> http://ansistego.sf.net/critter-art.png
19:04 < genehacker> though do you really need a building that last forever?
19:05 < JayDugger> brb
19:10 < ybit> http://8bitcollective.com/items/music/shine-monster-monster.mp3
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19:56 < ybit> hi cyrozap 
19:56 < ybit> marainein: 
19:56 < marainein> hey ybit
19:56 < marainein> what are you up to?
19:56 < ybit> deciding what to do with the extra $1k
19:57 < ybit> i've got $3.7k allotted to the hackerspace
19:57  * Trooem is sensing the world is going to be much like resident evil movies... Biological warfare, and altered humans.
19:57 < marainein> most of the ideas that come to mind probably aren't very responsible
19:57 < ybit> marainein: what about yourself?
19:57 < marainein> buy some shotguns
19:58 < marainein> just jumping from channel to channel as i decide what to do with my day
19:58 < marainein> what projects are you spending money on?
19:59 < ybit> reprap and ceb press are definites
20:00 < ybit> router, mill, lathe... the multimachine is highly tempting here in that i could build one practically for free
20:01 < marainein> i'm not sure what a reprap and ceb press are
20:02 < JayDugger> Compressed Earth Brick Press?
20:02 < JayDugger> (Had to check 'ceb,' myself)
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20:10 < Trooem> could you guys like make anything with given blueprints and walkthroughs?
20:10 < ybit> JayDugger: yes
20:11 < ybit> Trooem: what do you have in mind
20:11 < Trooem> any mechanical, electronics parts?
20:11 < Trooem> ah.. it's something very private. i can't discuss it openly in the channel.
20:11 < Trooem> maybe one day hahaha
20:11 < genehacker> join #reprap if you want to know more about reprap
20:12 < Trooem> it can make 50k per month for sho 'cause it's all about messing with the world believe it or not :P
20:12 < genehacker> I think I know what your making trooem if it involves mechanical and electronic parts and is private
20:12 < Trooem> hahaha
20:12 < Trooem> don't go there
20:13 < Trooem> the perfect vagina...
20:13 < genehacker> if it involved chemicals it would be a bomb or something dangerous
20:13 < Trooem> hmm...
20:13 < genehacker> ugh, I thought you were making a sentry turret
20:13 < Trooem> oh..............
20:13 < Trooem> i'm sorry.
20:13 < Trooem> i was way off.
20:14 < Trooem> no no.... it's more to do with gathering intelligence. like a spytool of sort. i've ran the idea of it to few people, and they said it's certainly plausible to make...
20:14 < Trooem> haha
20:14 < Trooem> but will it make money?
20:15 < Trooem> yes, if i sell it underground with a purpose
20:15 < Trooem> but hey.......
20:15 < Trooem> wrong idea there maybe.
20:15 < Trooem> i shall shut up now.
20:15  * Trooem shuts up.
20:15 < genehacker> please do
20:15 < Trooem> you too.
20:15 < Trooem> you do know i hate you genehacker.
20:16  * Trooem hits genehacker with a abnormally large trout, and genehacker flies away like Mario.
20:17 < genehacker> I really don't care
20:17 < Trooem> come on have sense of humour
20:17 < Trooem> hacker of genes.
20:18 < Trooem> wonder we will change our own genes one day
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20:18  * genehacker installs the latest humour package
20:18 < Trooem> everybody wanting to become... hispanics... or... aliens..
20:18 < marainein> just how much does a 'make anything' setup cost?
20:19 < Trooem> 20k!
20:19 < Trooem> im not qualified to answer that, but im probably right.
20:19 < Trooem> any sufficiently good fabrication of anything requires a good amount of .... well, 20k.
20:20 < Trooem> tried thinking of making a mocap studio with 3D characters. 
20:20 < Trooem> needed 20k.
20:20 < genehacker> I'm sure you could check kanzure's fablab inventory and figure the cost 
20:20 < Trooem> tried getting into the video game industry purchase of license 20k.
20:21 < genehacker> I think it's more than 20k though
20:21 < Trooem> kanzure is an anomoly. he can probably do it for 2k.
20:21 < Trooem> damn
20:21 < Trooem> that's something.
20:21 < genehacker> I doubt that
20:22  * Trooem can go hardcore.
20:23  * Trooem had a dream last night where he saw large coy fish hanging around a ankle-high murky waters.
20:23 < Trooem> i think it's a good sign :)
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20:37  * Trooem thinks it's not way too difficult to luck out on making 10k per month or so... but how about 10k a day? that is the question...
20:39 < marainein> what are you trying to do?
20:40 < Trooem> all things manual labour-related ends at 10k per month, at best... quantifying that is the problem...
20:40 < Trooem> with softwares.
20:40 < Trooem> so many options...
20:43 < marainein> i don't understand, and i don't think that's just because i've been drinking - how are you going to make this money?
20:43 < Trooem> if i just tell you here for things that i've worked for, thats not fair i don't think...
20:44 < Trooem> so i'm talking in riddles. sorry about that.
20:44 < Trooem> just writing things, how i think...
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21:08 < flamt> http://ansistego.sf.net/critter-art-2.png
21:22 < genehacker> argh so neither sympy nor mathematica want to solve my equation
21:22 < genehacker> flamt what is that thing?
21:23 < genehacker> some sort of cellular automaton or a-life thing?
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21:42 < genehacker> mathematica rocks
21:43 < Trooem> i am so addicted to castlevania symphony of the night...
21:46 < flamt> genehacker: yeah it's a cellular automata running on an eco sim
21:46 < flamt> like it's vertical streaks because i scroll it up to teach them the row size
21:47 < flamt> then it's animated in two directions in time
21:47 < flamt> so they see this is the same kind of input as their retina
21:47 < flamt> just with 3 channels not 4 since i can't show alpha
21:47 < flamt> then i expect horizontally coherent patterns to appear
21:47 < flamt> but so far i'm having trouble wiring them into it for long when it gets brighter they slow down
21:47 < flamt> i'm overfeeding them and pushing brain mutations
21:47 < flamt> brb >_>
21:48 < flamt> http://ansistego.sf.net/telepathic-critterdrug.tgz btw ._.
21:48 < flamt> from critterding <_<
21:48 < flamt> >_>
21:48 < flamt> yeah 7 synapses per cell was too many with 2 they're moving ahead but its slow
21:49 < flamt> actually i could only have 5
21:49 < flamt> well the array is 64*48*3
21:49 < flamt> 9,216
21:49 < flamt> they have almost 2000 neurons so i could have 5 synapses per unique colour cell in the psychic grid
21:49 < flamt> but i couldnt have 7 you can see that
21:49 < flamt> even 3 killed most of them eventually though poor bastards
21:49 < flamt> now i'm trying 2 per
21:50 < flamt> about hmm a third of the screen
21:50 < flamt> then they have 1 motor connection per neuron to it but there are twice as many of those so they have write to maybe a tenth
21:50 < flamt> darn
21:50 < flamt> but strains will not be randomly assigned locations in it like i did to load these in
21:50 < flamt> from the old sim
21:50 < flamt> strains will use the same cells
21:51 < flamt> anyway. they will make art and myths and shit
21:51 < flamt> it's their racial movie
21:51 < flamt> the disabled can just watch it instead of suffering
21:51 < flamt> it's really fun
21:51 < flamt> i'm going nuts
21:51 < flamt> but. still brb
21:51 < flamt> oh it's 1024 frames long >_>
21:51 < flamt> 9,216 colour elements * 1024 frames == 9 mega colour elements
21:52 < flamt> so it's like, really big to them
21:52 < flamt> that's what i'm going for
21:52 < flamt> bye ._.
21:55 < genehacker> 2000 neurons seems like an awful lot per critter
21:55 < genehacker> how many are in a litter?
21:57 < genehacker> if you keep them in one location they'll probably learn to recognize one object
21:57 < genehacker> IE they'll be just like a parrot that can only repeat words and not form them into coherent sentences
21:57 < genehacker> sounds cool
22:02 < Trooem> hey wait, are you guys talking about hooking up neurons with chaos?
22:03 < Trooem> err.... how plausible do you think biological AI is coming around to do our bidding
22:04 < Trooem> i read this article on how leech neurons can add up numbers :)
22:04 < genehacker> flamt is playing around with evolving some virtual critters to see stuff
22:04 < Trooem> oh it's a virtual thing
22:04 < Trooem> interesting..
22:04 < genehacker> I don't think it's very plausible
22:04 < Trooem> oh
22:04 < genehacker> analog electronics are much better for that sort of thing
22:05 < Trooem> i guess it would be hard to make it expandable..
22:05 < Trooem> wouldn't be able to keep the neurons alive for long...
22:05 < Trooem> when do you guys think life extension therapy is going to be practicle?
22:05 < Trooem> *cal
22:05 < Trooem> 10 years from now?
22:05 < Trooem> 20?
22:08  * Trooem doesn't understand why marvel sold so many characters to disney.
22:11 < cyrozap> disney wanted marvel so they can appeal to the male side of the market.
22:11 < cyrozap> they have the princesses for the girls, and now they have superheroes for the boys.
22:13 < flamt> i gave them four types of drugs and a potentiator substance
22:13 < flamt> then this psychic array
22:13 < flamt> now i dont think there's anything left
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22:15 < Trooem> oh i see
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22:26 < genehacker> flamt stop messimg with those poor things brains
22:28 < genehacker> you know caffeine's effects on insects right?
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22:50 < Aliks> yo
22:51 < Aliks> Anyone here have suggestions on what I should do about the following?  I just filed a patent application for a way to reduce software/music/etc. piracy.  Should I approach trade organizations, or release publicly and hope they contact me, or just publish for free, or what?
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22:58 < Trooem> not too sure, but unless they approved the filings already, and at least at 'patent pending' status, you wouldn't want to give out your ideas, they would at least make it something similar...
22:58 < Trooem> so approach directly 
22:59 < Trooem> no idea i think you know the answer
22:59 < nsh> how, Aliks ?
23:09 < Aliks> back
23:10 < Aliks> sorry was arguing in another room
23:10 < Aliks> where I asked the same question
23:10 < Aliks> hot topic
23:10 < Aliks> I do have "patent pending" status
23:10 < Aliks> nsh, can't say specifically but it isnt the usual DRM type stuff
23:11 < nsh> Basilisks?
23:11 < Aliks> lol
23:11 < Aliks> yes, every CD comes with two miniature basilisks
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23:13 < nsh> sweet
23:13 < nsh> i would buy
23:13 < Aliks> lol
23:13 < Aliks> usually they've been in the box for several weeks so they are very hungry
23:21 < Aliks> test
23:21 < Aliks> ah, I am still connected
23:29 < flamt> i have an implant
23:29 < flamt> the american government in the guise of scientology popped up in my life because i talk to aliens and advocate lsd
23:29 < flamt> i camped out alone one night which sounds so nice and they chipped my skull
23:30 < flamt> now this thing makes mocking noises and sensations in the upper left of my head all day for days now
23:30 < flamt> for a few days after new years it was trying to make me believe it was from aliens or some intelligent fungus
23:30 < flamt> so i actually enjoyed having it and hearing from it
23:30 < flamt> now it's just making impressions of huge smiles and reminding me of the night they used it to electroshock me
23:30 < flamt> about a week ago
23:30 < flamt> my neighbours downstairs are pretending to be some sick woman and her kid but it's a bunch of CIA people with clearance
23:30 < flamt> my landlord finally figured out something was the hell wrong, they've been trying to get him to evict me for six months so i've been living rent free
23:31 < flamt> lol
23:31 < flamt> and so for the foreseeable future
23:31 < flamt> they called the cops three times between christmas and new years so i couldnt like, party alone for that
23:31 < flamt> trying to get me put in the hospital which they couldn't, but did last year this time
23:31 < flamt> also for christmas, then
23:31 < flamt> this is what they do, pop up in your life and try to terrify you
23:31 < flamt> all the implant does is make these dumb smiling and inappropriately happy impressions and sounds
23:31 < flamt> wet mouth sounds like smiling all the time, really happy and it wont stop being so happy
23:31 < flamt> at really bad times especially
23:32 < flamt> and i know they're doing it from downstairs. that sounds so stupid
23:32 < flamt> it's supposed to
23:32 < flamt> google implants and look at the offensive obvious psy-ops disinfo shit you get
23:32 < QuantumG> irc and drugs don't mix flamt
23:32 < flamt> oh it kissed real quiet when i said that
23:32 < flamt> i'm not on drugs atm QuantumG LOL
23:32 < flamt> dont blame the drugs
23:32 < flamt> it's the government
23:32 < flamt> and it's disgusting
23:32 < QuantumG> maybe you should be then
23:32 < flamt> mebbe
23:32 < flamt> i'll toke in a sev
23:32 < flamt> sec
23:32 < flamt> but let me say
23:32 < flamt> i'm getting this imaged and removed
23:32 < flamt> and also
23:32 < flamt> i've started a list
23:32 < flamt> it's all really silly
23:32 < QuantumG> prescribed ones would be better
23:33 < flamt> what you hear is like ridiculous words or just mocking noises and you're not supposed to record it because of how it would look
23:33 < flamt> but now i do because in ten years i'll be breeding not a-life but bacteria
23:33 < flamt> and i'll be feeding them not glucose but titanium
23:33 < flamt> and i'll spill this shit from time to time
23:33 < flamt> in places
23:33 < flamt> i just need reasons
23:33 < flamt> i just need reasons.
23:33 < flamt> >:|
23:34 < flamt> i'm not confused by like the sound of myself blinking, smiling or breathing
23:34 < flamt> it's really in my head, since '07, and i've been absolutely sure since well start of this year
23:34 < flamt> i don't know why they wanted to make me absolutely sure for PR or to discredit me i expect
23:35 < flamt> anyway i'm doing good work right now i don't think it's because of the implant though i thought it had some bonuses at first i don't now
23:35 < flamt> it's just for control surveillance and discouragement
23:35 < flamt> my communities are a target, it went nuts during the last live podcast i tried to hear
23:35 < flamt> so i wouldn't participate meaningfully
23:35 < flamt> COINTELPRO, MKULTRA
23:35 < flamt> i was watching a series of videos about mind control on youtube... marsboy683 i think
23:35 < flamt> marsboy638
23:36 < QuantumG> ok, you can stop talking now flamt
23:36 < flamt> his second series with the mexican guy suddenly turns into a bunch of horrifying kiddie porn
23:36 < flamt> after telling you scientology is mkultra
23:36 < flamt> and other shit like this
23:36 < flamt> scientology stalks me like crazy
23:36 < flamt> but i will, quantum g
23:36 < QuantumG> go see a doctor, get some anti-psychotics ok?
23:36 < flamt> like you i wouldn't jeapoardize our mission here i just wanted it off my chest
23:36 < flamt> no dude they p
23:36 < flamt> you made me knock my pipe off the stand
23:36 < flamt> they psychiatrically suppressed me this year already
23:37 < flamt> last year for six months with risperdal but my pineal gland apparently survived
23:37 < QuantumG> if you're against medication you're for Scientology.. choose.
23:37 < flamt> unless i am now nursing prolactinoma
23:37 < flamt> nah, i've talked to scientologists about this
23:37 < flamt> the only thing we agree on is that antipsychotics have never furnished a cure
23:37 < flamt> where we part ways again is on the fact that the psychedelics have
23:37 < QuantumG> flamt is a Scientology
23:38 < flamt> scientogy
23:38 < flamt> brb >_>