--- Day changed Sun Jan 10 2010 00:02 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 00:09 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 00:10 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 00:29 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:33 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzKmGTVmqJs 00:33 < QuantumG> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDFKYrSJefc 00:35 < Aliks> heh, what I'm putting in my "company description" field in Google's Biz Proposals section 00:35 < Aliks> > look company description 00:35 < Aliks> You see a nonexistent thing. 00:35 < Aliks> got any better ones? 00:35 < QuantumG> heh, neat 00:35 < Aliks> hehe, I used to play text RPGs 00:35 < Aliks> they were so much fun 00:41 < QuantumG> http://www.citysoftware.com.au/PicoTech_USB_Pocket_Projector_PIC1001.aspx 00:56 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sun Jan 10 01:31:42 2010 --- Log opened Sun Jan 10 02:48:54 2010 02:48 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:48 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 36 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal] 02:48 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 1 secs 02:52 < kanzure> http://forums.portlandtechshop.com/ 02:54 < kanzure> boolean operations with pythonocc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vCevxXoMFY 02:54 < kanzure> parametric modeling with pythonocc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUCv7COgzU0&feature=related 02:59 < QuantumG> wow, why does it flash like that? 03:01 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:03 < kanzure> QuantumG: it doesn't flash like that on *my* computer 03:03 < kanzure> anselm donated money to this apparently: http://www.nimbyspace.org/ (an artist collective hackerspace dealy) 03:03 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1362561841/nimby-industrial-art-and-diy-space 03:06 < kanzure> hm, projectpolymath.org is still around? 250 students, 800 supporters, they're looking for instructorsn ow 03:06 < kanzure> *instructors now 03:06 < kanzure> hm they also have an adwords campaign 03:19 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:39 -!- strages [n=strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:45 -!- fenn [i=fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:46 < fenn> wow that guy is a textbook paranoid schizophrenic 03:46 < fenn> can't you be more imaginative? 03:51 < fenn> oo it's time for elections @WTA 04:01 < flamt> http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/7608589 04:01 < flamt> fenn i'm not at all these things happen for real 04:01 < flamt> but w/e dude go see a beautiful mind again 04:01 < flamt> i guess 04:01 < flamt> i guess 04:02 < QuantumG> flamt, doctor, go see now 04:06 < flamt> quantumg you like major tranquilizers 04:06 < flamt> those are dark red in my sim 04:06 < flamt> they do help the ones who dont like the movie when it gets real bright 04:06 < flamt> wa ha ha 04:11 < katsmeow-afk> back when there were only 4 people in here, we didn't need channel ops 04:13 < flamt> http://boards.4chan.org/g/res/7608589 04:13 < flamt> but brb 04:16 < marainein> hai guys. can transhumanism ressurect the dead and decayed? 04:19 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:19 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 05:33 -!- zancas [n=zancas@dsl092-134-109.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:29 < Utopiah> somebody know the background info (author, motive, ...) behind http://www.artificialscarcity.com/ ? 07:03 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-31-61.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 08:06 -!- bct_ [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-47.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:12 < thesnark> good morning 08:18 -!- bct [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:20 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:29 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] --- Log closed Sun Jan 10 09:02:58 2010 --- Log opened Sun Jan 10 09:19:21 2010 09:19 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:19 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 36 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal] 09:20 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 62 secs 09:20 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:22 -!- fenn [i=fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Sun Jan 10 09:30:01 2010 --- Log opened Sun Jan 10 09:30:14 2010 09:30 -!- kanzure_ [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:30 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 40 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 40 normal] 09:30 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:31 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 66 secs 09:31 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 09:39 -!- You're now known as kanzure 09:41 < thesnark> kanzure somebody must be ddossing you 09:42 < thesnark> kanzure did you look at your traffic? 09:42 * thesnark was joking about ddosing.. 09:51 < kanzure> my internet connection just sucks. i'm switching ISPs 09:51 < kanzure> maybe guaranteed 1.25 MB/sec 09:51 < Trooem> hope my voice didn't creep you out kanzure. ROFL 09:52 < kanzure> Trooem: haven't listened to it yet 09:52 < Trooem> oh 09:52 < Trooem> well whatever 09:52 < Trooem> i'm in a nostalgic state. a little high :P --- Log closed Sun Jan 10 10:04:21 2010 --- Log opened Sun Jan 10 11:33:37 2010 11:33 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:33 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 37 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 37 normal] 11:33 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 0 secs 12:56 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:10 -!- marcin_ose [n=factor@75-120-186-218.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:14 < kristianpaul> who know something about Zinc Negative Resistance ? 13:15 < marcin_ose> Ben, Clif, and Bryan, can we talk about transfering openfarmtech.org? 13:20 < kanzure> sure 13:20 < kanzure> i thought bkero was going to do that 13:20 < kanzure> marcin_ose: is it still down? 13:26 < marcin_ose> Yes, it's down, after being up for a week. 13:27 < marcin_ose> THere are software updates needed, Dreamhost shut it down due to phishing attempts 13:27 -!- marcin_ose [n=factor@75-120-186-218.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 13:39 -!- ybit [i=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- marcin_ose [n=factor@75-120-186-218.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:41 -!- marcin_ose [n=factor@75-120-186-218.dyn.centurytel.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 13:42 < kanzure> is 3 days a reasonable gap between times calling mitch? 13:48 < kanzure> i want this for gnusha.org http://www.webdesignfromscratch.com/snippets/20-article/20-37-signals.jpg 13:54 < kanzure> btw someone made a .rpm for pythonocc-0.4 wonder if alien can play with it 14:19 < thesnark> kanzure what is it? 14:20 < thesnark> not a lot of detail in the pic 14:24 < ybit> it's basecamp's old site 14:39 < bkero> yo 14:42 < bkero> kanzure: for the sitrs, I'll need sql dumps for each db, and tarballs of each docroot. 14:44 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:51 -!- splicer_ [n=patrik@h16n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:08 -!- splicer [n=patrik@h104n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:22 < kanzure> bkero: tell that to marcin 15:32 < ybit> bkero: i've mentioned this marcin a couple of weeks ago, the problem is he isn't too computer savvy 15:32 < ybit> and he's hesitant to let other do it for him since there are usernames and passwords/reputations at stake 15:33 < ybit> someone tell me something to do 15:34 < ybit> the only two things i can think of doing is working on the field, but that has been put off until tomorrow. the other thing is finding a job closer to the lot, most businesess are closed on sundays here 15:34 < ybit> pythonocc 0.4 packaging mayb 15:34 * ybit thinks he has several half-finished projects to work on 15:36 < thesnark> http://opensimulator.org/wiki/Media potentially looking to create an EEG interface with the project 15:55 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit ["leaving"] 15:57 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:58 -!- QuantumG [n=qg@nuclear.biodome.org] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 16:06 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:21 < kanzure> hello Aliks 16:29 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 16:36 -!- QuantumG [n=qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:53 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 18:07 -!- any71953554 [n=someone@75-120-216-184.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:10 * Trooem is feeling like the dark knight... 18:11 < Trooem> mwa hahahaha 18:12 -!- katsmeow-afk [n=someone@75-120-216-184.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:19 < parolang`> Trooem: How's that? :) 18:20 -!- any71953554 is now known as katsmeow 18:21 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:22 * kristianpaul apt-get make free-beer 18:22 < kristianpaul> :p 18:29 < Trooem> ...i felt like the joker early this morning, now it's later afternoon and i feel like batman. eventually at night, i will be putting on a suit of black armor..... and go run around. 18:29 < parolang`> Cool :) 18:29 < parolang`> Take pictures and post online. 18:29 < Trooem> lol 18:30 < parolang`> I never understood the practical value or running around on rooftops for fighting crime. 18:30 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 18:32 < Trooem> how else would you catch them at night? hahaha 18:32 < Trooem> can't sniper them can we 18:33 < Trooem> spy technology is better. 18:33 < Trooem> eavesdrop, gather enough evidence and screw them 18:33 < parolang`> Hmm...you know, a sniper gun would have solved a lot of Batman's problems. 18:33 < parolang`> No need to instill fear, just bam, bam. 18:34 < kanzure> http://333skis.com/insane-problems.php 18:34 < parolang`> But, I admit, the Dark Knight was a kick ass movie. I think there will be a sequel, and it will suck but still make a lot of money. 18:35 < kanzure> http://www.shanzai.com/index.php/bandit-gadgets/notebooks-a-netbooks/572-classy-shanzhai-brushed-aluminum-netbook 18:35 < kanzure> http://micgadget.com/765/shanzhai-phone-pretending-to-be-psp/ 18:37 < kanzure> rise of open source hardware http://pcquest.ciol.com/content/techtrends/2010/110010804.asp 18:42 < bkero> <3 shanzhai 18:43 < Trooem> bonzai 18:48 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 19:11 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 19:24 -!- genehacker [n=username@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:40 -!- parolang2 [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:21 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-43.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:42 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:06 -!- Netsplit kubrick.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: bct_, CIA-44, randallagordon, Utopiah, splicer_, danielfalck, katsmeow-afk, MrClif 22:06 -!- Netsplit kubrick.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: drazak, thesnark, darkcontrast, ve, nchaimov 22:08 -!- Netsplit over, joins: darkcontrast, thesnark, drazak, nchaimov, ve 22:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: randallagordon, bct_, splicer_, danielfalck, Utopiah, katsmeow-afk, MrClif, CIA-44 22:25 < kanzure> what does "についての投稿リンク" translate to? 22:26 < genehacker> post about links 22:27 < genehacker> sounds like a blog or something 22:27 < genehacker> then again this was from google translate so you probably know that 22:31 < Trooem> genehacker you speak japanese? 22:34 < Trooem> oh you dont nvm 22:46 < genehacker> do you? 22:47 < genehacker> hearing about all this shanzhai stuff, I'm contemplating learning chinese 22:47 < genehacker> I think I knew some it once 22:47 -!- flamt [n=root@70.50.177.225] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:48 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-47.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 22:52 < Trooem> no... i don't i appear to understand some vocabs and read small portion of japanese... 22:52 < Trooem> that's it... 22:53 < Trooem> i should learn a new language... 22:53 < parolang2> Hmm...I think emacs has a flashcard mode. 22:54 < parolang2> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/FlashCard 22:54 < parolang2> For learning a new language :) 22:54 < parolang2> All memorization. 22:58 < parolang2> There's even a link to Japanese vocabulary deck files :) 22:58 < parolang2> That's in case you use emacs. Dunno what you use. 22:58 -!- flamt_ [n=root@70.50.177.225] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 23:07 < Trooem> oh cool man thanks 23:07 < Trooem> didn't know there were online flash cards 23:08 < Trooem> i think i looked for it once and gave it up 23:08 < Trooem> maybe we should form a language-learning group or something 23:08 < Trooem> spend some time learning everyday :) 23:08 < Trooem> test each other, practice. 23:09 < kanzure> http://supermemo.com/ 23:10 < Trooem> cool.. 23:10 < parolang2> Yeah, the emacs mode is based on the supermemo algorithm. Looks like there's a python GUI program too. 23:11 < parolang2> http://ichi2.net/anki/ 23:12 < Trooem> nice cool 23:12 < Trooem> do you think a person can learn multiple language at the same time? 23:12 < Trooem> hmm 23:12 < Trooem> is there such softwares? 23:12 < Trooem> showing 1 word into 4 different languages. 23:14 < parolang2> Trooem: I honestly don't know. I'm monolingual. 23:14 < Trooem> yeah, apparently english became a little too convenient for the whole world. 23:14 < parolang2> But, if I wanted to learn multiple languages, I would focus on learning one language, attain proficiency, and then pick up a related language. 23:15 < Trooem> i thought so too. but mind doesn't seem to be limited... 23:15 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-"] 23:15 < Trooem> limits are made on how you study them, not quite the memorization of it.. 23:15 < Trooem> convenience is the problem though.. 23:15 < Trooem> hence the softwares.... 23:15 < parolang2> Trooem: I think the main limitation isn't learning a language, but keeping proficiency of the language. 23:16 < Trooem> maybe phonics is better than learning through visual words 23:16 < Trooem> and speaking it 23:16 < parolang2> Technically, I took two semesters of Spanish in high school and received and an A in both. 23:16 < Trooem> how do babies learn to talk without reading after all haha 23:16 < parolang2> But, I couldn't say that I know Spanish any more than your average person. 23:17 < parolang2> If you don't use the language you'll lose it. 23:17 < Trooem> yup that's right... 23:17 < Trooem> so how to make the learning more efficient.. 23:17 < Trooem> practical. 23:18 < Trooem> not about knowing a lot of vocabs..... 23:18 < parolang2> Okay, I don't know what you're aiming at. 23:18 < Trooem> i wasn't asking for a advice... haha but thanks.. 23:18 < Trooem> i'm aiming for 'speaking' 23:18 < Trooem> and 'listening' 23:19 < Trooem> instead 'reading' and 'writing' 23:19 < Trooem> although you need fundamentals on everything. 23:19 < parolang2> Well, good luck with that. 23:20 * Trooem need sleep..... 23:21 < parolang2> night :) 23:21 < Trooem> :) 23:21 < Trooem> hehhehehhehe 23:21 < Trooem> don't you just wish you can speak every language? 23:22 < Trooem> maybe we can like uploading something to the brain one day. like in the movie matrix. 23:23 < parolang2> I think it would be cool, but that would require a lot of investment, and it may become a white elephant. 23:24 < parolang2> Well...we don't have that technology :) 23:24 < Trooem> manual labour here it comes... 23:24 < parolang2> You talking about your job? 23:25 < Trooem> manual labor of skipping pages on textbooks. learning new languages. :( 23:25 < QuantumG> Giuseppe Caspar Mezzofanti (c.1774-1849) spoke 88 languages. 23:25 < parolang2> You want rewards without expending effort. 23:26 < Trooem> no man.. 23:26 < QuantumG> Sir Richard Francis Burton (1821-1890) spoke 29 languages. 23:26 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:26 < Trooem> in europe people speak 3-4 language as a standard. 23:26 < Trooem> what i do know is that, people take their potential for granted 23:26 < Trooem> and don't try. 23:26 < Trooem> and i think, 23:26 < QuantumG> I imagine, like any other skill, you could make a career out of it. 23:26 < parolang2> True. 23:27 < QuantumG> you'd have to be into it though 23:27 < Trooem> people can learn 3-4 languages of similarity at the same time, if organized well. 23:28 < parolang2> My sense is that in Europe you're surrounded with equal nations that speak different languages. So you have more opportunity to use other languages, and the use of another language is also useful. 23:28 < parolang2> That doesn't seem to be the case in the USA. 23:28 < Trooem> definetly. 23:28 < QuantumG> meh, it's about seeking out other languages 23:28 < Trooem> it's still one's own damn 'vault' for not finding a way :P 23:29 < QuantumG> making friends with people for the sole reason that you can talk to them in another language. 23:29 < Trooem> nah but for a purpose, 23:29 < Trooem> of joint ventures. 23:29 < parolang2> Are you American QuantumG? 23:29 < Trooem> it's worth it. 23:29 < QuantumG> Australian 23:30 < parolang2> QuantumG: Then you're probably in the same boat. There aren 23:30 < parolang2> QuantumG: Then you're probably in the same boat. There aren't a lot of people speaking other languages. 23:31 < parolang2> Unless you mean online, which is an option. For instance, I know there's a japanese channel on freenode for learning jp. 23:31 < QuantumG> yeah, I dispute your claim that people who learn lots of languages do it out of perceived necessity 23:31 < parolang2> Well, usefulness, not really necessity. 23:31 < QuantumG> its done for the same reason people learn everything about trains 23:31 < parolang2> Using a language to talk to a friend is an example of usefulness, but not really necessity. 23:32 < QuantumG> .. and can tell you every detail of train trivia 23:32 < QuantumG> .. and you'll typically find them hanging out on trains or building model trains 23:32 < parolang2> QuantumG: I was refering to Trooem comment about Europeans knowing 3 or 4 languages. 23:32 < parolang2> Why that isn't typical in the USA. 23:33 < parolang2> You're talking about atypical cases, which is fine; but that's a different point, and I agree with you. For a lot of people learning another language is a hobby. 23:33 < QuantumG> yup 23:33 < QuantumG> got ya 23:34 < parolang2> :) 23:34 < Trooem> language is the world they say. it's not just about speaking it and communicating. the gestures, perspectives, values, even entire senses change with learning a new language. 23:34 < Trooem> i think it's amazing... 23:35 < parolang2> For me, if I had the discipline and time to learn another language, I would probably be better off learning other things. 23:35 < QuantumG> the ability of children to acquire language is still one of the great mysteries in science. 23:35 < Trooem> everyone has different calling :) 23:36 < parolang2> Well, caution also that learning another language, like traveling or reading philosophy, of often pursued to mimic the activities of the upper echelons of society. 23:37 < parolang2> QuantumG: yeah 23:38 < QuantumG> I wonder if life-logging could help 23:38 < Trooem> if learning african is going to get me a piece of diamond i think i'd learn it hahaha 23:39 < parolang2> Logging everything you do? 23:40 < parolang2> Wikipedia seems to imply that it involves video recording everything you do ala Steve Mann and Jenny Cam. 23:41 < QuantumG> ya.. if you had wearable cameras with microphones on both the parents and the children for the first 3 years of life, that would not only allow you to capture those first words but also the stimuli that influenced them 23:41 < parolang2> ah 23:45 * Trooem is suffering from insomnia... 23:45 < parolang2> caffiene? 23:45 < parolang2> 23:45 * Trooem drank lot of soda.. maybe it had caffein.. 23:45 < Trooem> does sprite have caffein 23:46 < QuantumG> nope 23:46 < parolang2> Not sprite. 23:46 < Trooem> how about pepsi 23:46 < QuantumG> Dr Pepper does (in the US) 23:46 < parolang2> Sugar can do it too. Also, try not to think :) 23:46 < QuantumG> yeah, pepsi does 23:46 < parolang2> Pepsi does. 23:46 < Trooem> that must be it... 23:46 < parolang2> Thinking will keep me up at night. Have to turn it off :)