--- Day changed Tue Jan 12 2010 00:11 < QuantumG> http://quantumg.net/biohacking/ 00:13 < ybit> open source ecology makes no sense 00:15 < ybit> they don't study where organisms occur, how many, and where 00:15 < ybit> how organisms occur* 00:16 < ybit> which is the definition i get from reading references on ecology 00:16 < ybit> maybe it should be the study of human ecology in an open system? 00:17 < ybit> or just open systems 00:17 < ybit> leaving out the confusing term ecology 00:18 < ybit> Ecology is not synonymous with environment, environmentalism, or environmental science.[1][2][3] 00:18 < ybit> which is what i gather their group is trying to go for 00:19 < ybit> "In science and engineering, a system is the part of the universe that is being studied, while the environment is the remainder of the universe that lies outside the boundaries of the system." 00:19 < ybit> Open Systems makes more sense, imho 00:19 < QuantumG> "open source ecology" is a buzz word for different synergies that naturally occur between open source projects. 00:19 < QuantumG> for example, LAMP 00:23 < ybit> why do they call it buzz word even when it is clearly a phrase :P 00:23 < QuantumG> linguists would call it a word 00:23 < QuantumG> and put dashes between it :) 00:24 < ybit> s/do they call/is it called 00:24 < QuantumG> or use camel case 00:24 < ybit> hehe 00:25 < ybit> where was the first usage of open source ecology, i can only fin it listed on marcin's site 00:25 < ybit> thus i'm doubting it's a buzz word 00:26 < ybit> http://journalwatch.conservationmagazine.org/2009/03/09/open-source-ecology/ is the only other place which uses it while not referencing the factor-e-farm project 00:27 < QuantumG> try "open source ecosystem" 00:30 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:30 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:30 < ybit> hi Aliks and Phreedom 00:31 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 00:32 < Phreedom> hi 00:32 < ybit> see PM 01:09 * chupacabra hates buzz speak 01:22 < ybit> kanzure: has mtich got back with you yet, have you even mentioned files to him? 01:23 < ybit> s/mtich/mitch 02:05 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-159-36.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:38 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:17 -!- marainein [n=marainei@220-253-159-36.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 03:18 -!- Netsplit kubrick.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: MrClif, CIA-44, bct_, danielfalck, chupacabra, flamt, darkcontrast, Utopiah, branstrom, splicer_, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 03:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: randallagordon, bct_, splicer_, danielfalck, darkcontrast, Utopiah, branstrom, chupacabra, flamt, CIA-44 (+4 more) 03:48 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:06 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [] 04:09 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- randallagordon_ [n=wIRCer@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:32 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:37 -!- randallagordon_ [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:39 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 04:42 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:42 -!- randallagordon_ is now known as randallagordon 05:03 < flamt> ok still two things hi it's flamoot and brb but 05:03 < flamt> http://m-net.arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html new linux app 05:03 < flamt> http://boards.4chan.org/b/res/188096829 thread about it and brain implants 05:03 < flamt> plz your help getting the thread on 4chan archive 05:03 < flamt> http://4chanarchive.org/brchive/main.php?mode=submit 05:03 < flamt> id 188096829 05:03 < flamt> ilu 05:44 < bkero> no 4chans 07:38 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:41 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has quit [Client Quit] 07:41 -!- kristianpaul [n=kristian@190.7.148.137] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:49 < kanzure> ybit: no, mitch has not 09:49 < kanzure> i will call him today 10:00 < kanzure> but i did send a follow-up email 10:15 < kanzure> fenn: your method doesn't help me figure out future possibilities. unfortunately neither does the literature have any "big ideas" or "far out predictions" 10:16 < kanzure> re: http://quantumg.net/biohacking/ we should probably tell trent about the in vivo "writozyme" 10:16 < kanzure> *writozyme idea 10:18 < kanzure> heh jason was going to buy a simon quellen field book 10:19 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:30 < kanzure> hey wtf? 10:30 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKDB 10:31 < kanzure> wonder who "Kozuch" is 10:32 < kanzure> wtf how does [[OpenCASCADE]] not exist? 10:50 -!- russell987 [n=russell@c-24-61-9-88.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit ["This computer has gone to sleep"] 11:10 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:13 < kanzure> http://apps.pumpingstationone.org/hacker-space-map/ 11:15 < kanzure> http://instructablesrestaurant.com/ 11:15 < kanzure> "Instructables Restaurant is the first open source restaurant in the world. Everything you see, use and eat is downloaded from instructables.com. It's an experiment in internet digestion, combining free culture with food concepts." 11:16 < kanzure> weird how they don't have their address plastered on their front page 11:27 < kanzure> http://linossgov.blogspot.com/2010/01/giving-it-away-making-money-2008.html meh but ends up talking about marcin's work 11:28 < kanzure> an old but lengthy email on "open product development" http://groups.yahoo.com/group/globalvillages/message/3296 11:28 < kanzure> hm there's actually still activity on that mailing list 11:33 < kanzure> according to denis bonnenfant, solidworks 2009 runs under wine with these winetricks: vcrun2005, ie6, gdiplus 12:26 < kanzure> wow 12:26 < kanzure> Jeffrey Barrick is speaking at 1:30pm today at welch on his 20-year e.coli experiment 12:27 < kanzure> don't think i can get there in time 12:28 < kanzure> cool an aptamer synthesis service http://www.aptagen.com/default.asp 12:33 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:33 < kanzure> hey Aliks 12:36 < kanzure> some notes on the .sldprt file format: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_thread/thread/16fd8ebe6c677f2c 12:40 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 12:43 < kanzure> https://octopart.com/tools/companytools/feedformat 12:44 < kanzure> andres is asking for a manufacturer website crawler that dumps products into that URL 13:07 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] --- Log closed Tue Jan 12 13:16:50 2010 --- Log opened Tue Jan 12 14:45:02 2010 14:45 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 36 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 36 normal] 14:45 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 0 secs 15:16 -!- thesnark [i=enderkil@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:20 -!- thesnark [i=enderkil@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 15:22 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 15:35 -!- Traveler [n=traveler@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:42 -!- thesnark [i=enderkil@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:45 -!- thesnark [i=enderkil@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Client Quit] 15:50 -!- thesnark [n=mgrube@ne102621.eng.utoledo.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:56 -!- thesnark [n=mgrube@ne102621.eng.utoledo.edu] has quit ["[BX] Reserve your copy of BitchX-1.1-final for the Sony Playstation 1 today!"] 16:12 -!- genehacker [n=noko@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:15 -!- Traveler [n=traveler@pool-173-57-48-104.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit ["Java user signed off"] 16:24 < kanzure> beep 16:24 < kanzure> i'm sitting next to "dub taylor". random people to be with. 16:25 < genehacker> who's dub taylor? 16:25 < genehacker> oh 16:25 < genehacker> where are you? 16:26 < genehacker> I'm confused 16:27 < genehacker> http://www.deadoraliveinfo.com/dead.nsf/tnames-nf/Taylor+Dub 16:40 < QuantumG> http://fatpita.net/?i=1952 16:53 -!- flamt_ [n=root@70.50.177.225] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- flamt [n=root@70.50.177.225] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 17:36 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:39 < kanzure> hey thesnark 17:42 < thesnark> hello 18:00 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:02 -!- nchaimov [n=cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:08 -!- Netsplit verne.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: flamt_, randallagordon 18:08 -!- Netsplit verne.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nsh, mage2, davemenninger, Trooem, timothyschmidt 18:09 < kanzure> "want an open hardware store?" http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/off/1548583896.html 18:09 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1ygHzt86Ow an open hardware video synthesis platform 18:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: davemenninger, Trooem, timothyschmidt, nsh, mage2 18:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: randallagordon, flamt_ 18:14 < kanzure> i wonder what's going on here: 18:14 < kanzure> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/holistichelping/message/4594 18:14 < kanzure> (in particular look at the forwarded message) 18:14 < kanzure> something about openkollab for sure 18:14 < kanzure> but "open manufacturing ecosystem" what? 18:16 < QuantumG> ecosystem is non-nerd-friendly way of saying "toolchain" 18:16 < kanzure> *oh* 18:16 < kanzure> thanks for translating (seriously) 18:16 < QuantumG> yeah, pundits have been using it for a year or two 18:17 < kanzure> did anyone check out the "open source resturant" i linked to earlier today? any thoughts / complaints 18:17 < kanzure> QuantumG: that's pretty confusing, especially with all the greentech buzzlingo 18:18 < kanzure> nokia n93 shanzhai phone http://www.technowae.com/2010/01/nokia-n93-shanzhai-made-phones/ 18:19 < genehacker> mind sending out the link again, I resurrected my computer from the dead earlier 18:19 < kanzure> http://shanzaiindia.blogspot.com/2010/01/india-next-breeding-ground-for-shanzhai.html 18:19 < kanzure> genehacker: http://instructablesrestuarant.com/ 18:20 < genehacker> it's broken, but I'll google for it 18:20 < kanzure> stalk: Boyd R. Jones (boydjones) "North American dude who speaks Chinese and does tech stuff." 18:20 < kanzure> my bad on the spelling 18:20 < kanzure> genehacker: http://instructablesrestaurant.com/ is the right spelling 18:21 < genehacker> wow 18:21 < genehacker> that's pretty cool 18:25 < kanzure> "Hacklab.to's laser-cutter really *does* play the Mario Bros theme! ..." 18:29 < kanzure> alt.bio.hackers 18:29 < genehacker> but is it opensource? 18:29 < genehacker> usenet still exist? 18:36 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:37 < genehacker> looks it was just a group of computer crackers 18:37 < genehacker> oh wait maybe not 18:45 < kanzure> from adafruit: http://blog.open-embedded.info/2009/04/open-source-hardware-overview-slides.html 18:45 -!- parolang` [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)] 18:48 -!- parolang` [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 20:06 < kanzure> is this any good? "Sequential formation of ion pairs during activation of a sodium channel voltage sensor" 20:07 < kanzure> heh http://hackaday.com/2010/01/12/how-to-make-a-printable-ces-badge/ 20:30 -!- Trooem [n=adfasfda@S0106001d724fcb1d.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 20:42 -!- klord [n=klord@70.114.211.130] has quit [] 20:43 -!- Aliks [n=epicurea@76-14-163-117.wsac.wavecable.com] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 20:43 -!- klord [n=klord@70.114.211.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:51 < cyrozap> having a MakerBot does have its advantages 21:01 < kristianpaul> wich ones? 21:14 -!- fenn [i=fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:19 -!- randallagordon_ [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:23 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:24 < genehacker> well you could make the mendel printed parts pretty easily 21:34 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 21:36 -!- randallagordon [n=randalla@c-76-115-127-7.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:36 -!- randallagordon_ is now known as randallagordon 21:47 < kanzure> hello JayDugger 21:47 < JayDugger> Good evening, kanzure. 21:47 < kanzure> fenn: welcome back to the land of the living 21:47 < kanzure> matt has two new labrats that have been moving stuff around and causing havoc 21:48 < kanzure> stephen and chico 21:48 < JayDugger> Fenn, do you plan to attend the upcoming Foresight Gathering? 22:19 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:24 < kanzure> hello thesnark. i think i was supposed to talk with you about something today? 22:24 < thesnark> kanzure yeah but in like 10 minutes, I'm doing some other stuff atm 22:55 -!- thesnark [n=michael@ppp-69-221-8-112.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 23:24 -!- parolang [n=user@keholmes.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 23:26 -!- JayDugger [n=duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap []