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00:15 < ybit2> vyew.com
00:23 < ybit2> just in case someone ever has to use something like that
00:29 < fenn> ybit i bought an eee 1005HAB from the openeeg guy who was visiting langton labs. but i didn't bring it to the conference today
00:40 < kanzure> having fun?
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01:13 < randallagordon> bkero, thanks for that link!
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02:23 < QuantumG> sweet, Amazon finally sent me Sutton
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08:56 < ybit2> did anyone happen to grab the available files (dxf, pdf, etc.) from mtm.cba.mit.edu/machines/mtm_az/index.html  ?
09:06 < kanzure> no
09:24 < kanzure> what is richard stallman doing on the openkollab project?
09:24 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openkollab/browse_thread/thread/ceff556af18b12c3?hl=en
09:24 < kanzure> wtf?
09:41 < kanzure> and they have $2M USD?
09:42 < ybit2> that's a good idea http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_eOhujvXdG1Y/SQeyNsd1RfI/AAAAAAAAAAU/v-tAQ8mKCuE/s1600-h/CIMG0225.JPG
09:42 < ybit2> an enclosure for his cnc machine
09:43 < kanzure> wasn't that the idea of cubespawn
09:43 < kanzure> also how do you rescue it if it spontaneously combusts
09:45 < ybit2> i thought the idea of the cubespawn was to be able to link machines together for more efficient space usage
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09:46 < ybit2> i don't see a mention of enclosure
09:46 < kanzure> standardized form factor
09:46 < kanzure> it's a fucking cube
09:46 < ybit2> "A 'Cube' form factor makes all the machines standard, so that they can be linked together to form assembly lines, in addition, each machine has a pallet mover in the base to transport workpieces between cubes."
09:46 < kanzure> how is that not an enclosure
09:46 < ybit2> look at the designs already made, no enclosure
09:46 < kanzure> are you kidding me? it's a cube.. just put up some sheet plastic to complete the effect
09:46 < ybit2> http://www.cubespawn.com/images/CubesFrolicking.JPG
09:47 < kanzure> btw that smaller cube is missing its head :(
09:47 < ybit2> sure, but no enclosure so far, it's not "the point" of cubespawn :)
09:47 < kanzure> what?
09:48 < ybit2> my original point was that an enclosure for a cnc machine is a good idea
09:49 < ybit2> 08:47 < ybit2> sure, but no enclosure so far, it's not "the point" of cubespawn :) was in response to 08:43 < kanzure> wasn't that the idea of cubespawn
09:49 < ybit2> and i realize now you didn't say 'the point'
09:49 < kanzure> i see
09:49 < kanzure> yes cubespawn is non-exclusive
09:50 < kanzure> the idea seems to sleep around
09:51 < ybit2> the image i posted is from this blog post: http://fabricationsofthemind.blogspot.com/2008/10/in-praise-of-good-workshop.html
11:01 < CIA-30> skdb: kanzure * r 43c7c0e /cycloidal.py: way to draw a cycloidal gear
11:01 < kanzure> dunno where to put it
11:30 < kanzure> is a fluidic connector (a hole for fluid to travel out of or into a microfluidic device) an Interface or a Part?
11:30 < kanzure> i would consider a bubble concentrator or fluidic mixer to be a part, and a hole is defined similarly, yet is technically an interface at the same time?
11:34 < kanzure> i guess it's both a part and an interface, so the "fluidic connector part" should have an "interface" on it
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12:49 < kanzure> hey uh, http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/
12:49 < kanzure> wtf?
12:49 < kanzure> why is it 403'd?
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13:06 < kanzure> client denied by server configuration: /usr/share/dokuwiki/doku.php
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13:19 < kanzure> well i can't seem to figure that one out
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14:58 < ybit2> i wonder why it is that alex lightman is fascinated with what books people read, kanzure, what was your list? :P
15:00 < ybit2> there's no doubt, klord, you have the best beard of everyone here if this is you: http://www.facebook.com/MongoLord
15:04 < genehacker> I've been outbearded
15:07 < klord> haha
15:07 < klord> sadly, it is not
15:07 < klord> http://www.facebook.com/kevinlord
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15:23 < kanzure> http://agoralink.org/ hackerspace vpn
15:23 < kanzure> http://wiki.hamburg.ccc.de/index.php/ChaosVPN
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15:55 < kanzure> welcome back to the living, klord 
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16:21 < genehacker> secret data sharing hackerspaces?
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17:06 < kanzure> linkdump on google and china: http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1514762&cid=30810582
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17:27 < ybit2> http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/01/16/1239212 :: "German Government Advises Public To Stop Using IE " makes me happy
17:45 < kanzure> heh
17:45 < kanzure> "the pocket size machine shop" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Dremel_Moto-Tool_advertisement,_1947.jpg
17:46 < kanzure> for $16.50
17:46 < kanzure> 27k RPM?
17:49 < QuantumG> need quite a few vices to turn that into a lathe :)
17:50 < kanzure> QuantumG: i hate how everyone i've been meeting recently is using the word "ecology" instead of "toolchain"
17:50 < kanzure> thanks for pointing it out to me
17:50 < kanzure> i wouldn't know wtf these people are talking about if it wasn't for you
17:50 < QuantumG> hehe
17:51 < QuantumG> in a way, it's more broad than toolchain.. toolchain suggests things that are critical.. ecology just means everything that can work with each other.
17:52 < QuantumG> but as it's a buzzword.. the meaning could change tomorrow
17:56 < kanzure> ecology could also just mean "stuff that happens to be living on the same landscape"
17:56 < kanzure> so that's why i always find its use really inappropriate
17:56 < kanzure> i mean, anyone can namesquat
17:56 < QuantumG> I could imagine people talking about "the ecology of DirectX games and applications"
17:56  * kanzure twitches
17:57 < QuantumG> or "the ecology of PDF tools"
17:58 < kanzure> QuantumG: in particular i'm getting "ecology" buzzspeak from people interested in "open manufacturing"
17:58 < QuantumG> for some the word has replaced "community"
17:58 < kanzure> ew
17:58 < kanzure> when did we decide to do that
17:59 < QuantumG> umm.. when linux started getting contributors who weren't acting very "communal"
18:14 < kanzure> have you guys seen how nathan is signing his emails lately?
18:14 < kanzure> Nathan Wilson Cravens
18:14 < kanzure> Sir Christ Lord Cosmos Superior
18:14 < kanzure> Facilitator of Gods
18:22 < genehacker> I want a true pocket size machine shop...
18:22 < QuantumG> be nice
18:23 < QuantumG> there's those microlathes
18:23 < genehacker> I want a micromill
18:23 < genehacker> a CNC micromill
18:24 < genehacker> kanzure you have a maxtor backup drive?
18:24 < kanzure> i have a few different drives, but yes
18:25 < genehacker> has it ever been completely invisible to your computer?
18:25 < kanzure> what?
18:26 < kanzure> invisible means what?
18:26 < genehacker> as my computer can't see it but other computers can
18:26 < genehacker> seems you haven
18:26 < genehacker> 't had that problem
18:28 < kanzure> what is the file system on it?
18:28 < genehacker> does the automatic backup feature work on linux?
18:28 < kanzure> i ignore that option
18:28 < kanzure> i wouldn't trust it anyway
18:29 < genehacker> I'm not sure
18:29 < genehacker> maybe FAT?
18:29 < kanzure> then that's not the issue
18:29 < genehacker> well does the automatic backup feature work on linux?
18:30 < kanzure> never tried it
18:30 < kanzure> i'm guessing it's some sort of windows-only software that you're talking about
18:30 < kanzure> if you want to make a cronjob for linux, it's more than possible
18:31 < kanzure> oh google ads how i hate you "Learn Real Hacking Skills - www.HackerDegree.com - Earn a Degree in Network Security Learn, Experience, Innovate"
18:31 < kanzure> ha
18:32 < genehacker> blargh
18:32 < genehacker> looks like not
18:33 < kanzure> why do you need it?
18:33 < kanzure> maybe you should investigate RAID
18:33 < genehacker> because I like to have backups
18:35 < genehacker> the maxtor drives have this nice feature for doing a fast backup that starts at the press of a button on the drive
18:37 < genehacker> backing up usually takes ~5 minutes so it's rather nifty
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18:57 < kanzure> QuantumG: is greason saying anything interesting
18:59 < QuantumG> yeah
18:59 < QuantumG> tune in
19:02 < kanzure> link?
19:04 < QuantumG> http://www.live365.com/stations/dlivingston?site=dlivingston
19:19 < kanzure> http://www.metasploit.com/
19:20 < kanzure> huh, an exploit unit testing framework
19:20 < kanzure> holy shit: http://www.metasploit.com/images/icbm.jpg
19:21 < QuantumG> metasploit has been around since 2003, yes.
19:23 < kanzure> nice branding
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21:14 < ybit> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gGXCM-zuFI :: kew ecovillage, this is apparently where nathan cravens has been
21:14 < ybit> just got word from him that he may be more active
21:16 < ybit> google didn't know his twitter account and so the last i saw of him was in november, so i sent out an "update me" email
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22:24 < ybit2> anyone recall the buzz from mit's chem department early last year on a new patent they were filing for concerning electrolesis?
22:24 < ybit2> i can't find it anywhere
22:24 < ybit2> daniel nocera was the lead researcher
22:25 < cyrozap> google patent search?
22:27 < ybit2> yeah
22:27 < ybit2> not there
22:27 < ybit2> In Situ Formation of an Oxygen-Evolving Catalyst in Neutral Water Containing Phosphate and Co2+
22:27 < ybit2> "Cobalt-Phosphate Oxygen Evolving Compound"
22:27 < ybit2> relevant papers ^
22:27 < cyrozap> Hmm... Well, I got nothing.
22:31 < ybit2> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/In%20Situ%20Formation%20of%20an%20Oxygen-Evolving%20Catalyst%20in%20Neutral%20Water%20Containing%20Phosphate%20and%20Co2.pdf
22:31 < ybit2> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/cobalt-phosphate%20oxygen-evolving%20compound.pdf
22:32 < genehacker> space travel or clean cars or both?
22:34 < kanzure> hope you guys took a look at the other new papers
22:34 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/stem-cells/
22:34 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/gene-therapy/
22:34 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/
22:35 < genehacker> does gene therapy work now?
22:35 < kanzure> it always has worked IIRC
22:35 < genehacker> in humans
22:35 < kanzure> people didn't want to pursue it because a few people died from immune system reactons
22:35 < genehacker> without them dieing
22:35 < kanzure> with the adenovirus issues
22:35 < kanzure> yeah not all of them died genehacker 
22:37 < genehacker> how big is n?
22:37 < genehacker> n= number of trials
22:37 < genehacker> if you know it
22:37 < kanzure> lots of different studies
22:37 < kanzure> check the papers :) many different values of n
22:38 < kanzure> although i'm not sure which ones are human trials, i didn't label them
22:38 < kanzure> though there are a few labeled "adult primates"
22:38 < ybit2> http://www.peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:MIT:Daniel_Nocera:Catalytic_Electrolysis 
22:38 < ybit2> http://www.suncatalytix.com/
22:39 < ybit2> no sun catalytix patent found
22:40 < genehacker> maybe it's still stuck in the patent office
22:40 < genehacker> my dad filed an application years ago and we haven't heard from them...
22:41 < ybit2> yeah, i'm sure it is
22:43 < genehacker> or they may not have patented it
22:43 < ybit2> hah
22:43 < ybit2> it's in the patent office
22:47 < ybit2> two more relevant papers: http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/A%20Self-Healing%20Oxygen-Evolving%20Catalyst.pdf
22:47 < ybit2> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Electrolyte-Dependent%20Electrosynthesis%20and%20Activity%20of%20Cobalt-Based%20Water%20Oxidation%20Catalysts.pdf
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23:06 < ybit2> the exploit used to hack google: http://wepawet.iseclab.org/view.php?hash=1aea206aa64ebeabb07237f1e2230d0f&type=js
23:06 < kanzure> yep
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23:15 < kanzure> hello aleah
23:15 < aleah> ...I win?
23:16 < kanzure> we were looking at http://wepawet.iseclab.org/view.php?hash=1aea206aa64ebeabb07237f1e2230d0f&type=js a few minutes ago. it's the exploit the chinese used to hack google
23:17 < genehacker> your prize is several grams of insubstania
23:17 < aleah> ooh.
23:17 < kanzure> insubwhat?
23:17 < genehacker> nothing
23:20 < ybit2> http://www.re-energy.ca/t-i_waterbuild-2.shtml :: build your own small-scale hydroelectric generator
23:20  * kanzure sleeps
23:21 < ybit2> yeah, it's not much to stay awake for :P
23:21 < kanzure> who uses .shtml or server side includes any more anyway
23:22 < kanzure> klord: how long has it been since you've even seen that :p
23:22 < kanzure> er, right, sleep
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23:29 < klord> haha
23:29 < klord> i still see it ocassionally
23:30 < klord> http://replicatorinc.com/blog/2010/01/makerbot-math/
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23:57 < genehacker2> http://singularityhub.com/2010/01/18/willow-garage-gives-away-10-free-world-class-robots-to-jumpstart-open-source-revolution/
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