--- Day changed Tue Jan 19 2010 00:43 -!- aleah [i=434f0212@gateway/web/freenode/x-ylvbpsodslqsllvx] has quit ["Page closed"] 00:46 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:55 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 00:56 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:00 -!- cyrozap [n=cyrozap@76-204-127-73.lightspeed.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net] has quit ["Leaving"] 01:05 < QuantumG> neat, wonder when they'll start selling them 01:05 < QuantumG> .. after the beta testers figure out something useful for them to do I guess 01:05 < QuantumG> .. don't send em to MIT then.. haw haw haw 01:28 < fenn> huh i just rode right past willow garage 01:29 < QuantumG> go knock on their door 01:29 < QuantumG> "can we see the robot? " 01:29 < fenn> ok 01:30 < QuantumG> you gotta put on your best puppy dog face 01:30 < fenn> and pronounce it 'wobot' 01:30 < QuantumG> yep 01:34 < fenn> anyway it hardly seems blogworthy 01:34 < fenn> "we're giving away equipment to established academics" 01:34 < fenn> big whoop 01:34 < QuantumG> heh 01:35 < QuantumG> implying there's some calibre of news required for a blog 01:37 < genehacker2> it's an awesome robot though 01:39 < QuantumG> telescopic spine ftw 01:41 < QuantumG> 1.1 meters is pretty tall 01:44 < fenn> kanzure: oops. i upgraded dokuwiki to try to get rid of the barnacle of security warnings at the top, and managed to break it, and thought i had fixed it completely but i guess not 01:46 < fenn> no nevermind, this is more broken than yesterday 01:46 * fenn investigates 01:53 < fenn> must have been some problem that didnt show up until apache got reloaded 01:53 * fenn changed the commented line in /etc/apache/dokuwiki.conf 01:53 < fenn> stupid warnings are still there 01:54 < fenn> wish i could figure out how to turn that off 01:56 * fenn applies his ninja force technique directly to dokuzard's weak point 02:06 < genehacker2> I wish I had a ninja force technique I could apply to mathematica 02:36 -!- genehacker2 [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-48-9.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:56 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-45-52.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:56 < genehacker> hahaha oh wow 02:56 < genehacker> about 6% of Kurzweil's predictions came true 02:56 < bkero> That's better than a lot of futurists 02:57 < genehacker> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/2010/01/kurzweils-failed-2009-predictions/ 02:57 < genehacker> guess he isn't the one true prophet 03:13 < fenn> most of his predictions would have been on-track if not for the iraq war and global economic recession 03:14 < fenn> most of them are simply off quantitatively (i.e. how widespread) 04:24 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-45-52.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 04:29 -!- gnubot [n=supybot@c-71-228-184-130.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:32 -!- gnubot [n=supybot@c-71-228-184-130.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 05:52 < fenn> speaking of bots, this is actually pretty decent; by far the best AI-generated music i've heard: http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/09/virtual-composer-makes-beautiful-musicand-stirs-controversy.ars 05:52 < fenn> or http://artsites.ucsc.edu/faculty/cope/mp3page.htm 05:54 < fenn> the beethoven one is pretty cool 06:37 < fenn> don't bother listening to anything that doesn't have (After so and so) after it 06:39 < fenn> i think the problem is that Cope likes awful terrible wankery that isn't music, but his program is fine 07:17 < fenn> here's something i had never seen before; animated fractals: http://www.fractal-recursions.com/files/anim/anim.html 07:33 < Utopiah> nice http://ctuning.org/ "an open community-driven collaborative wiki-based portal that brings together academia, industry and end-users to develop intelligent collective tuning technology that automates and simplifies compiler, program and architecture design and optimization." 08:36 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit ["I hate pulseaudio"] 08:50 -!- superkuh [n=hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:31 -!- chupacabra [n=chupacab@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 10:37 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-57-106.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:54 -!- Phreedom [n=quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:55 < kanzure> "Crayola's law: the number of colors doubles every 28 years" 10:58 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-57-106.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:13 < kanzure> for anyone who missed out on john smart's explanation of the "cybertwin" idea: http://www.accelerating.org/articles/hpe2032army.html#pcdt 11:14 < kanzure> hm that's maybe not the best possible explanation :p 11:30 -!- parolang [n=user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- Netsplit lindbohm.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: nsh, mage2, Overand, bkero, davemenninger 11:41 -!- davemenn1nger [n=davemenn@www.hive13.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- Overand [i=overand@69.182.171.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: bkero 11:41 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mage2 11:41 -!- nsh [i=sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:28 -!- MrClif [n=clif@c-67-189-76-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:39 -!- branstrom_ [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:50 -!- bct_ [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- branstrom [n=branstro@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:53 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-173-118.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:53 < genehacker> http://i.imgur.com/LxcP4.jpg 13:53 -!- ybit2 [n=ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 13:53 < genehacker> Sagan 13:53 < genehacker> 's apple pie 13:54 < Utopiah> :) 14:01 -!- bct [n=bct@S0106001c1041555b.ed.shawcable.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:02 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-173-118.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)] 14:27 < ybit> hi chupacabra 14:28 < ybit> hi davemenn1nger 14:30 < flamt_> nanotech panopticon bordering on vr 14:30 < flamt_> "life's like that. a series of glimpses and blanks, and the occasional jolt of pain from the antenna in your skull" 14:30 < flamt_> kurt vonnegut 14:40 < superkuh> Sirens of Titan? 14:46 < kanzure> todd huffman sent me an email asking how to improve his wpm (typing) 14:46 < kanzure> i told him to have heated IRC chats :p 14:48 -!- genehacker [i=genehack@wireless-128-62-62-209.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:49 < kanzure> also i've found that i type better on cold keyboards 14:54 < genehacker> interesting, any idea why? 14:55 -!- hplusbot [n=supybot@c-71-228-184-130.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:55 < ybit> test 14:55 < Utopiah> want to minimize contact time with your fingers I guess :-# --- Log opened Tue Jan 19 14:45:59 2010 14:45 -!- kanzure [i=bryan@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:45 -!- Irssi: #hplusroadmap: Total of 33 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 33 normal] 14:45 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 0 secs 14:47 -!- kanzure- [n=kanzure@70.114.205.110] has quit ["Lost terminal"] 14:47 < ybit2> !list 14:47 < hplusbot> ybit2: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, Config, Dict, Google, Math, Misc, NickCapture, Nickometer, Owner, Quote, RSS, Reply, Seen, ShrinkUrl, Time, and User 14:49 < Utopiah> ybit2: http://meetbot.debian.net/Manual.html is nice 14:49 < ybit2> Utopiah: yeah 14:49 < Utopiah> (and I think now the templating system works well, i.e.practical for wikis) 14:50 < ybit2> http://thisisaflippinlongurlnoididnotconfiguretheshrinkurlpluginyet.com 14:57 -!- hplusbot [n=supybot@c-71-228-184-130.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit ["Ctrl-C at console."] 14:58 -!- hplusbot [i=ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:00 < ybit2> . 15:03 < ybit2> blah 15:03 < ybit2> hrm 15:03 < ybit2> maybe symbolic linking needs to enabled in apache 2010-01-19T14:58:45 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T15:00:16 . 2010-01-19T15:03:00 blah 2010-01-19T15:03:17 hrm 2010-01-19T15:03:28 maybe symbolic linking needs to enabled in apache 2010-01-19T15:03:30 !logs 2010-01-19T15:03:30 ybit2: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt 2010-01-19T15:04:34 nope 2010-01-19T15:26:31 *** hplusbot` has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T15:28:23 bah 2010-01-19T15:06:55 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T15:07:07 . 2010-01-19T15:07:24 !logs 2010-01-19T15:07:24 ybit2: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt 2010-01-19T15:07:48 i do believe it's working 2010-01-19T15:09:43 hrm, it's logging, but only updates the log after you close the program 2010-01-19T15:11:47 supposedly it flushes every 5 minutes 2010-01-19T15:11:55 list 2010-01-19T15:11:56 !list 2010-01-19T15:11:56 ybit2: Admin, Alias, Channel, ChannelLogger, ChannelStats, Config, Misc, Owner, Reply, ShrinkUrl, and User 2010-01-19T15:12:04 !list channelStats 2010-01-19T15:12:04 ybit2: channelstats, rank, and stats 2010-01-19T15:12:10 !stats 2010-01-19T15:12:10 ybit2: I have 1 registered users with 0 registered hostmasks; 1 owner and 0 admins. 2010-01-19T15:12:22 !channelstats 2010-01-19T15:12:22 ybit2: On #hplusroadmap there have been 8 messages, containing 295 characters, 44 words, 0 smileys, and 0 frowns; 0 of those messages were ACTIONs. There have been 0 joins, 0 parts, 0 quits, 0 kicks, 0 mode changes, and 0 topic changes. 2010-01-19T15:12:53 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:13:07 alright, well, i think it's working, gots to do the solidworks thing now 2010-01-19T15:15:28 *** ybit has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T15:15:34 *** ybit has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T15:26:31 *** hplusbot` has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T15:28:23 bah 2010-01-19T15:28:29 *** hplusbot` has quit IRC 2010-01-19T15:40:52 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T15:40:58 blh 2010-01-19T15:42:07 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T16:58:55 'aquacore' instruction set architecture for microfluidics: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.91.9564&rep=rep1&type=pdf 2010-01-19T16:58:56 (at citeseerx.ist.psu.edu) 2010-01-19T16:59:52 ybit2: could you stop that? 2010-01-19T17:09:36 *** Phreedom_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T17:09:45 *** Phreedom has quit IRC 2010-01-19T17:10:23 kanzure: yeah, it's done 2010-01-19T17:16:59 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T17:22:14 *** thesnark has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T17:22:35 hello thesnark 2010-01-19T17:22:54 hey kanzure 2010-01-19T17:32:54 Hello everybody 2010-01-19T17:45:25 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-19T18:04:44 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T18:21:59 *** thesnark has quit IRC 2010-01-19T19:14:06 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-19T19:18:09 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T20:42:41 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-19T20:42:44 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T20:59:19 http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/01/18/1742230/Nano-Scale-Robot-Arm-Moves-Atoms-With-100-Accuracy wtf holy wow 2010-01-19T20:59:21 (at science.slashdot.org) 2010-01-19T21:01:27 flamt_: it's not 100% accuracy. read the paper 2010-01-19T21:01:54 ned seeman didn't even get it wrong in the abstract.. dunno how the reporter did 2010-01-19T21:07:25 some people are saying that it shows mechanosynthesis works 2010-01-19T21:07:31 still it's pretty cool 2010-01-19T21:07:44 I think I need to read it 2010-01-19T21:09:42 if you get the nature article, put it up 2010-01-19T21:10:48 er 2010-01-19T21:10:49 one sec 2010-01-19T21:10:58 after I get this gear generator script working 2010-01-19T21:12:27 QuantumG: http://designfiles.org/papers/Dynamic%20patterning%20programmed%20by%20DNA%20tiles%20captured%20on%20a%20DNA%20origami%20substrate%20-%202009.pdf 2010-01-19T21:12:34 blah just uploaded it again.. turns out there's two of them 2010-01-19T21:12:45 oh is this that other paper? 2010-01-19T21:12:51 one that i uploaded 2009-03-18 at 07:54 2010-01-19T21:12:56 and one that i uploaded a few seconds ago :( 2010-01-19T21:13:17 oh it is 2010-01-19T21:13:18 god is slashdot really lagging by 10 months? 2010-01-19T21:13:31 no H+ is 2010-01-19T21:13:55 nah, it was just on slashdot again for some reason 2010-01-19T21:14:06 so this isn't the oscar custance guy's paper? 2010-01-19T21:14:14 err it isn'y 2010-01-19T21:14:18 no 2010-01-19T21:14:21 this is ned seeman 2010-01-19T21:14:40 http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/01/atom-by-atom-nanostructuring-and-single.html 2010-01-19T21:14:42 good ol' ned. i met him once.. cool guy. 2010-01-19T21:14:57 when and how? 2010-01-19T21:15:04 conference? 2010-01-19T21:15:11 he was speaking at singularity summit 2009 2010-01-19T21:15:25 and i saw him sitting all alone and thought to myself "no fucking way, that's ned fucking seeman" 2010-01-19T21:15:31 "what are you doing here?" 2010-01-19T21:15:36 "well, they asked me to speak. i have no clue why" 2010-01-19T21:16:40 oh that guy 2010-01-19T21:47:05 *** ybit2 has quit IRC 2010-01-19T21:50:41 so we got a bot now? 2010-01-19T21:51:40 yeah, that paper is gay, I remember it now.. 2010-01-19T21:51:56 .. or I could say, I forgot it because it was so forgettable. 2010-01-19T21:52:06 good science no doubt 2010-01-19T22:17:06 *** fenn has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T22:18:48 hello fenn 2010-01-19T22:44:18 *** genehacker2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T22:50:26 *** Phreedom_ has quit IRC 2010-01-19T22:56:13 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T22:56:17 genehacker2: yeah 2010-01-19T22:56:18 !log 2010-01-19T22:56:18 ybit: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 2010-01-19T22:56:26 !logs 2010-01-19T22:56:26 ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt 2010-01-19T22:57:17 trying to figure out though why it doesn't flush the logs every 5 mins like it's supposed to 2010-01-19T22:57:52 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-19T22:59:20 !help 2010-01-19T22:59:20 genehacker2: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2010-01-19T23:00:28 can we get hplusbot to automatically greet newcomers and tell them what we are all about? 2010-01-19T23:01:34 it's weird when baidu and msnbot both simultaneously request robots.txt 2010-01-19T23:03:27 now which one is more evil... 2010-01-19T23:07:03 dammit why can wolfram alpha give me a nice clean solution to a set of equations when mathematica can't 2010-01-19T23:07:38 they are supposed to be one and the same... 2010-01-19T23:08:36 night 2010-01-19T23:23:52 why do we need a bot? 2010-01-19T23:26:55 2010-01-19T23:27:38 praps it's to give a hobby to someone interested in Ai 2010-01-19T23:29:13 because someday we might be able to upgrade it into a Hal like assistant capable of managing this channel all by itself 2010-01-19T23:31:18 i've never seen an irc bot that didnt totally suck 2010-01-19T23:32:12 *** cyrozap has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-19T23:45:29 sucking in a configuration problem, i think, same as with humans 2010-01-20T00:53:54 !status 2010-01-20T00:53:54 chupacabra: Error: "status" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T00:54:23 what kinda bot is it? 2010-01-20T00:55:33 whenever someone shoves a bot onto a channel, everyone's gotta play with it. 2010-01-20T00:55:57 thats kinda the point 2010-01-20T00:56:11 !makemesandwich 2010-01-20T00:56:11 genehacker2: Error: "makemesandwich" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T00:56:42 !help 2010-01-20T00:56:42 chupacabra: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2010-01-20T00:57:03 rbot? 2010-01-20T00:57:19 !help help 2010-01-20T00:57:19 katsmeow-afk: (help [] []) -- This command gives a useful description of what does. is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. 2010-01-20T00:57:34 !help [help] 2010-01-20T00:57:34 katsmeow-afk: Error: There is no command "(help[][])thiscommandgivesausefuldescriptionofwhatdoes.isonlynecessaryifthecommandisinmorethanoneplugin.". 2010-01-20T00:57:48 lol 2010-01-20T00:58:00 !help seen 2010-01-20T00:58:00 chupacabra: Error: There is no command "seen". 2010-01-20T00:58:18 !help quit 2010-01-20T00:58:18 katsmeow-afk: (quit []) -- Exits the bot with the QUIT message . If is not given, the default quit message (supybot.plugins.Owner.quitMsg) will be used. If there is no default quitMsg set, your nick will be used. 2010-01-20T00:58:43 ahhh supybot. 2010-01-20T00:59:00 I never got an operational supybot 2010-01-20T00:59:06 100% 2010-01-20T00:59:20 !Solve[{pitchrad*Sin[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Cos[t] + t*Sin[t]), 2010-01-20T00:59:20 genehacker2: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands. 2010-01-20T00:59:20 pitchrad*Cos[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Sin[t] - t*Cos[t])}, t] 2010-01-20T00:59:22 i write my own 2010-01-20T00:59:30 ouch 2010-01-20T00:59:59 !Solve[{pitchrad*Sin[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Cos[t] + t*Sin[t]),pitchrad*Cos[theta] == pitchrad*0.5*(Sin[t] - t*Cos[t])}, t] 2010-01-20T00:59:59 katsmeow-afk: Error: "theta" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:00:24 yeas, genehacker, put in some values 2010-01-20T01:00:57 !solve a+b 2010-01-20T01:00:57 katsmeow-afk: Error: "solve" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:01:06 !Solve a+b 2010-01-20T01:01:06 katsmeow-afk: Error: "Solve" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:01:16 what the bot can solve equations? 2010-01-20T01:01:16 !Solve[ a+b] 2010-01-20T01:01:16 katsmeow-afk: Error: "a+b" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:01:28 !Solve[1,2] 2010-01-20T01:01:28 katsmeow-afk: Error: "1,2" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:01:32 !Solve[1+2] 2010-01-20T01:01:32 katsmeow-afk: Error: "1+2" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:01:41 !Solve[add(1,2)] 2010-01-20T01:01:41 katsmeow-afk: You've given me 5 invalid commands within the last minute; I'm now ignoring you for 10 minutes. 2010-01-20T01:01:48 thanks :-) 2010-01-20T01:01:54 you're using mathematica commands... 2010-01-20T01:02:22 hplusbot AI? 2010-01-20T01:02:22 chupacabra: Error: "AI?" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:02:36 katsmeow-afk: i'm either broken or incapable of stuff, so i'll ignore you for a while 2010-01-20T01:03:20 !yourmom 2010-01-20T01:03:20 genehacker2: Error: "yourmom" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:03:45 !books drupal 2010-01-20T01:03:45 chupacabra: Error: "books" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:03:46 !valid command 2010-01-20T01:04:10 I'm beginning to think IRC bots are useles 2010-01-20T01:05:51 useless _and_ noisy 2010-01-20T01:07:01 !quit sayonara 2010-01-20T01:07:01 fenn: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. 2010-01-20T01:07:07 !factinfo moo 2010-01-20T01:07:07 chupacabra: Error: "factinfo" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:07:46 i think most modules are disabled. who owns it? 2010-01-20T01:07:55 ybit 2010-01-20T01:08:05 [01:07] tiggr, what's chemodenervation? 2010-01-20T01:08:06 [01:07] chemodenervation : Interruption of a nerve impulse pathway via administration of a chemical substance, such as botulinum toxin (BTX). For example, intramuscular injections of BTX produce local relaxation of treated muscles by inhibiting the release of acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter that is present at the junctions of nerve and muscle cells and that regulates the delivery of messages from neurons to musc 2010-01-20T01:08:27 ugh sounds nasty 2010-01-20T01:09:39 well i'd rather have tiggr in here than a generic supybot 2010-01-20T01:09:56 !fortune 2010-01-20T01:09:56 chupacabra: Error: "fortune" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:10:00 2010-01-20T01:10:37 [01:10] Tiggr, can you tell me about CABA? 2010-01-20T01:10:37 [01:10] CABA : Chinese Artificial Brain Administration ; This would be a government agency that employs 1000s of scientists and engineers to design and build artificial brains for China's home robot industry (and other applications). 2010-01-20T01:10:51 !progstats 2010-01-20T01:10:51 chupacabra: Error: "progstats" is not a valid command. 2010-01-20T01:11:04 she doesn't do !commands , and atm her 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2010-01-20T10:46:48 http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/google-web-history-scraper.py 2010-01-20T10:54:10 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T11:08:05 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T11:08:26 kanzure: :P 2010-01-20T11:08:33 what is your destiny, please do tell 2010-01-20T11:09:38 does anyone else have black circles form around their eyes after using a computer for, oh 12 hours a day, 7 days a week? 2010-01-20T11:28:50 introduce said astrologer to probability theory 2010-01-20T11:29:24 oops, please note she's not his wife. my bad. 2010-01-20T11:36:44 if anyone here happens to get a facebook msg saying i made a comment about a photo of you on facebook, ignore 2010-01-20T11:36:55 it's a really interesting way of exploiting facebook 2010-01-20T11:37:16 if you add the app to see what photo it is, it will access your friend list and send out the same message to them 2010-01-20T11:37:48 the photo is usually of a clown in which its color values are oscillating back and forth, making for a shocking photo in which it seems thousands of people feel the need to comment about 2010-01-20T11:38:03 i didn't comment on it and it still sent out a notification to friends' 2010-01-20T11:38:14 ignore " ' " 2010-01-20T11:52:32 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2010-01-20T11:59:28 http://www.opensourcerails.com/projects/51989-Hardware-Inventory 2010-01-20T11:59:41 stalk: http://nickfarr.org/ thingiverse.com is his "client"? 2010-01-20T12:02:34 *** Phreedom has quit IRC 2010-01-20T12:04:46 *** Phreedom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T12:12:59 *** chupacabra has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T12:21:32 *** cyrozap has quit IRC 2010-01-20T12:28:06 yum, this data is delicious 2010-01-20T12:28:12 42,499 queries on google web search 2010-01-20T12:28:21 now what 2010-01-20T12:29:17 :/ 2010-01-20T12:29:26 from manual queries only or also automatised ones? 2010-01-20T12:29:34 Id guess only manual ones 2010-01-20T12:29:46 only manual queries 2010-01-20T12:30:04 37K :/ I loose 2010-01-20T12:30:32 run my script and download it all :) 2010-01-20T12:30:44 if google gets access to it, why not me? 2010-01-20T12:30:50 we can see what we're looking for :) 2010-01-20T12:31:57 some of these queries are crazy: cloning biology OR science OR biotech OR biotechnology -ban -backup -Microsoft -GTK -site:amazon.com -political -politics -photoshop -Dolly -shopping -catholic -legislation -media -essay -article -god -Christ -Jesus -debate -morals -morality -moral -ethics -news -bioethics -ethical -controversy -controversial&safe=off 2010-01-20T12:33:31 without an interface? 2010-01-20T12:33:41 what? 2010-01-20T12:33:51 i linked to a script i wrote 2010-01-20T12:33:55 that scrapes this data from your account 2010-01-20T12:34:00 i'm asking you to run it :) 2010-01-20T12:34:07 yes that I understood very well 2010-01-20T12:34:15 which is why I didn't say yes :P 2010-01-20T12:36:38 then why did you say "without an interface"? 2010-01-20T12:40:25 because I was wonering if that query was one you made manually and pulled from your script of it was generated by a tool you use to make query (like Exalead "related terms") or if it was generated by the script as suggestions 2010-01-20T12:40:43 (I would use the script if there was a way to easilly remove items with regex) 2010-01-20T12:41:57 the script that i linked to just downloads html files of the pages 2010-01-20T12:42:05 another script i wrote but have not linked to parses the html and puts a list of queries into a text file 2010-01-20T12:44:27 btw, do you know if when you removed an item from the history, it's actually removed from Google servers? 2010-01-20T12:45:34 no i don't know 2010-01-20T12:45:52 I guess not, thath's usually not their policy 2010-01-20T12:49:16 (Privacy FAQ for Web History – Google Web History http://www.google.com/history/privacyfaq.html#edit If you remove items, they will be removed from the service and will not be used to improve your search experience. As is common practice in the industry, Google also maintains a separate logs system for auditing purposes and to help us improve the quality of our services for users. For example, we use this information to audit our ads systems, under 2010-01-20T12:53:30 well you could use google sharing Utopiah 2010-01-20T12:53:41 if you don't want to let google know stuff about you 2010-01-20T12:53:57 and you can trust the person who made it 2010-01-20T12:54:21 genehacker: is a way to add noise? 2010-01-20T12:54:26 *if you can trust 2010-01-20T12:54:28 yeah 2010-01-20T12:54:34 look up google sharing 2010-01-20T12:54:39 it was on slashdot the other day 2010-01-20T12:55:10 there is a much older one with an ugly interface... 2010-01-20T12:56:20 https://ssl.scroogle.org/ 2010-01-20T13:01:31 http://code.google.com/p/hackerspace-os/ 2010-01-20T13:26:55 :) http://www.aleph.se/andart/archives/2007/11/top_10_genetic_enhancements.html 2010-01-20T13:30:26 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-20T13:36:37 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T13:37:57 *** cyrozap has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T13:52:15 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-20T14:16:57 *** splicer_ has quit IRC 2010-01-20T14:45:07 so, sam putman thinks gnusha is replab rebranded and that it shouldn't exist 2010-01-20T14:45:21 but then he tells me he's purposefully not including me in on replab happenings 2010-01-20T14:45:26 sigh 2010-01-20T14:49:49 because i'm too emotional :p 2010-01-20T14:50:28 *** branstrom_ is now known as branstrom 2010-01-20T14:58:39 that was a big lightning bolt 2010-01-20T14:58:45 i'm scared 2010-01-20T14:59:29 i've got to start remembering this isn't twitter 2010-01-20T15:02:22 if google would offer free internet for everyone across the nation, that would save me having to use aircrack on innocent citizens' encrypted networks 2010-01-20T15:03:39 ybit: http://xkcd.com/466/ 2010-01-20T15:08:42 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T15:10:44 haha 2010-01-20T15:11:07 i'm highly considering the can approach when 2010-01-20T15:11:12 -when 2010-01-20T15:11:35 if i walk outside the house, i get about 8 more networks 2010-01-20T15:11:51 thank tux for macchanger 2010-01-20T15:12:21 ybit do you mind doing something about your bot? 2010-01-20T15:14:40 what do mean? 2010-01-20T15:14:49 +you 2010-01-20T15:14:52 genehacker ^ 2010-01-20T15:15:25 i've kind of been lazy about it, but what do you want/ 2010-01-20T15:32:47 ybit: regaridng your wifi needshttp://www.digitaltrends.com/lifestyle/us-adults-want-internet-more-than-sex/ 2010-01-20T15:34:19 "A new survey finds that most U.S. adults find Internet access more important to daily life than watching TV...or having sex." certainly more important 2010-01-20T15:39:49 *** genehacker2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T15:40:05 genehacker2: what are you wanting me to do with the bot? 2010-01-20T15:41:58 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-20T15:50:50 DIY creates loyalty, makes sense 2010-01-20T15:51:00 (brand loyalty) 2010-01-20T15:52:33 but the business can't just tell the customer "fsck you, make it yourself" :) 2010-01-20T16:10:09 oregano is nice 2010-01-20T16:10:38 apt-get install oregano 2010-01-20T16:11:06 a lot easier to create something compared to geda's scehmatic editor 2010-01-20T16:11:40 and it exports to svg 2010-01-20T16:14:30 does it export a netlist? 2010-01-20T16:15:04 no 2010-01-20T16:15:53 it doesn't *export* 2010-01-20T16:15:58 it generates a netlist though :) 2010-01-20T16:17:42 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T16:22:41 that's what ikea does... 2010-01-20T16:23:53 that's where it came from 2010-01-20T16:24:09 genehacker: what are you wanting me to do with the bot? 2010-01-20T16:24:34 hmmm... people were thinking it was annoying last night 2010-01-20T16:25:09 *** genehacker2 has quit IRC 2010-01-20T16:25:49 genehacker: you mean kanzure? and do you mean during the afternoon when i was setting it up? 2010-01-20T16:26:08 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2010-01-20T16:26:10 i slapped kanzure with a trout, he thinks differently now 2010-01-20T16:26:49 *** ve has quit IRC 2010-01-20T16:30:43 diysci sounds silly 2010-01-20T16:31:07 diy sounds fine but tack on anything and it sounds silly 2010-01-20T16:32:44 http://pixelnovel.com/ 2010-01-20T16:33:05 *** ve has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T16:33:16 neat idea 2010-01-20T16:34:04 * kanzure hasn't loaded it yet (oops) 2010-01-20T16:34:14 but Massimo Menichinelli <- that guy recommended it 2010-01-20T16:36:39 is there a good version control system for cad? 2010-01-20T16:37:36 nope 2010-01-20T16:38:05 not the pixelbot approach at least 2010-01-20T16:38:36 *** any44941367 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T16:39:10 it's interesting that undo/redo is useful for version control 2010-01-20T16:41:29 ybit: please run my script on your google web history account :) 2010-01-20T16:42:47 i would love to 2010-01-20T16:42:56 *** any68523268 has quit IRC 2010-01-20T16:43:10 link to script? for some reason i thought you had just PMed to QuantumG 2010-01-20T16:43:12 what does your google script do kanzure? 2010-01-20T16:43:26 genehacker: it finds all your pr0n history and deletes it 2010-01-20T16:44:13 on google? 2010-01-20T16:44:30 I thought they kept that information 2010-01-20T16:44:31 I turned off Google search history long ago 2010-01-20T16:44:36 ybit: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/google-web-history-scraper.py 2010-01-20T16:44:48 genehacker: it doesn't delete it 2010-01-20T16:44:56 QuantumG: as if they still don't keep it 2010-01-20T16:45:06 I don't care if they have it 2010-01-20T16:45:07 anyway, it's just time for me to do a backup 2010-01-20T16:45:11 oh 2010-01-20T16:45:12 so i downloaded all 46k queries 2010-01-20T16:45:17 it's a really interesting data set 2010-01-20T16:45:27 some of the queries i wonder about though. "wtf?" 2010-01-20T16:46:09 you should have commented them 2010-01-20T16:46:14 quite a bit of mine will be stupid queries from family members 2010-01-20T16:46:24 ybit: how many in total? 2010-01-20T16:46:27 http://google.com/history 2010-01-20T16:46:56 anyway i figure that if google gets to have this information, why not you guys? 2010-01-20T16:47:14 everything i've searched for on google since 2005 2010-01-20T16:47:51 er 2010-01-20T16:49:14 add comment: "type in your username as the argument and if you want it saved to a file you will need to issue > file.txt" 2010-01-20T16:49:32 nope 2010-01-20T16:49:37 you need to make a dir called "data" 2010-01-20T16:49:41 and it will save the data to the "data" dir 2010-01-20T16:50:18 also there's a bug in that it reaches maximum recursion depth at page 1000 or something, i have a fixed version that i haven't uploaded yet 2010-01-20T16:50:40 i should probably wait on the fixed version to be uploaded then 2010-01-20T16:50:48 one sec 2010-01-20T16:51:23 seriously though, dark circles around the eyes anyone? 2010-01-20T16:51:40 no 2010-01-20T16:52:03 genehacker: are you on the comp. 12hrs/day? 2010-01-20T16:52:22 I don't know how many hours a day I spend 2010-01-20T16:52:44 i didn't get them until i started spending half the day on it 2010-01-20T16:53:27 it == staring at a computer screen as depicted in my facebook profile pic: http://facebook.com/heathmatlock 2010-01-20T16:54:41 ybit: ok new version uploaded 2010-01-20T16:55:38 it went pretty fast on davinci/adl 2010-01-20T16:55:44 about 1 page per second 2010-01-20T16:56:00 thanks kanzure 2010-01-20T16:56:29 * ybit goes for a walk 2010-01-20T16:56:35 i've searched for "open source" terms a total of 445 times 2010-01-20T16:56:36 hrm 2010-01-20T16:56:58 DNA: 262 times 2010-01-20T16:57:02 i better stop 2010-01-20T17:03:20 freq() { sort "$1" | uniq -c | sort -nr | less; } 2010-01-20T17:03:35 fav little bash script for frequency counts 2010-01-20T17:03:50 usage: freq file.whatever 2010-01-20T17:05:58 * kanzure looks at his longtail 2010-01-20T17:06:02 time for a trimming? 2010-01-20T17:10:01 hah: site:slashdot.org ear disgusting audio compression 2010-01-20T17:10:07 i remember that post 2010-01-20T17:10:18 it was in one of the loudness-wars articles/discussions 2010-01-20T17:12:13 argh 2010-01-20T17:12:42 wolfram alpha will solve my equations but mathematica can't 2010-01-20T17:12:44 this is weird 2010-01-20T17:13:44 kanzure: how many search queries did you have? 2010-01-20T17:13:52 ybit: 46k 2010-01-20T17:13:56 trying to determine how long this is going to run, okay 2010-01-20T17:14:03 you can check by viewing the page.. 2010-01-20T17:14:13 oh 2010-01-20T17:14:17 they put the total underneath the calendar on the right-hand side 2010-01-20T17:14:35 Total Google searches: 42086 2010-01-20T17:14:42 O.o 2010-01-20T17:14:45 bastard 2010-01-20T17:14:50 you're 4k over me 2010-01-20T17:15:50 [smiley] 2010-01-20T17:16:13 that's startling close. i would have expected either drastically more or drastically less. 2010-01-20T17:16:47 it would be even closer but i was paranoid around 9/11 and used scroogle for a good while 2010-01-20T17:17:11 oh how many years is this? 2010-01-20T17:17:28 1 year 2010-01-20T17:17:48 42k queries in 1 year? 2010-01-20T17:17:52 oh 2010-01-20T17:18:08 where do they show this? do i have scroll back one month at a time to figure this out? 2010-01-20T17:18:13 heh 2010-01-20T17:18:20 um, yes, or you can just wait for the script to finish 2010-01-20T17:18:56 starts at dec 2005 2010-01-20T17:19:02 hmm 2010-01-20T17:19:03 dec 23 2010-01-20T17:23:23 kanzure: did the output ever look like this: http://ybit.ath.cx/Screenshot-8.png 2010-01-20T17:23:40 it was diff to begin with 2010-01-20T17:23:43 no 2010-01-20T17:23:48 400 is not a good thing 2010-01-20T17:25:38 maybe it's scraping faster than they allow? 2010-01-20T17:25:53 it was grabbing them at a rate of 1 per sec 2010-01-20T17:26:03 or even faster 2010-01-20T17:26:33 from time import sleep 2010-01-20T17:26:35 sleep(2) 2010-01-20T17:27:17 aha 2010-01-20T17:27:27 i doubt that's the problem though 2010-01-20T17:27:31 no it's not 2010-01-20T17:27:39 it wasn't logging in me thinks 2010-01-20T17:28:17 http://ybit.ath.cx/data.tar.gz 2010-01-20T17:28:23 that's what was grabbed 2010-01-20T17:29:15 you should add exit() after the line that calls login() 2010-01-20T17:30:04 line? 2010-01-20T17:30:46 177? 2010-01-20T17:30:50 somewher enear the bottom 2010-01-20T17:30:51 yeah 2010-01-20T17:30:55 just check that it's logging in 2010-01-20T17:31:18 and in the last line of the "login" function, be sure to print out the variable that was just stripped (you'll see it) 2010-01-20T17:32:49 what is dsh_token and galx_token? 2010-01-20T17:33:08 stuff that google requires for logging in 2010-01-20T17:33:18 they are harvested from the login page before POSTing to the login/authentication service 2010-01-20T17:36:45 it isn't logging in 2010-01-20T17:37:31 oh i see 2010-01-20T17:37:32 it is 2010-01-20T17:37:37 and it's grabbing data now 2010-01-20T17:37:44 anyone have any experience with the emachineshop "cad" software? 2010-01-20T17:37:57 i used it once or twice 2010-01-20T17:38:02 anything in particular about it? 2010-01-20T17:38:12 it's like the most annoying shit I've ever used 2010-01-20T17:38:30 have you seen the price estimates for different manufacturing techniques? 2010-01-20T17:38:43 that was what most sticked out to me. everything else was broken and i'd just import stuff into it.. if anything 2010-01-20T17:38:49 QuantumG: i haven't used it, what file format does it save to? 2010-01-20T17:39:05 so does anyone think i can sell my search data? 2010-01-20T17:39:10 at $1/query maybe i can make some money 2010-01-20T17:39:31 hmm.. maybe if I load up solid works and export my part into a format it can import 2010-01-20T17:39:39 er, how are you advertising it, kanzure? 2010-01-20T17:39:44 i'm not 2010-01-20T17:39:47 just an idle thought 2010-01-20T17:40:02 'it is i, boy genius, my very own search results.. $1 each' 2010-01-20T17:41:10 the nsa wouldn't buy it, they can already get it for free 2010-01-20T17:41:42 i think spammers would be interested in someone's search results in which that person is more likely to click on an ad 2010-01-20T17:42:42 you probably use ad-block no? 2010-01-20T17:42:53 i was surprised the other day to hear that my friend didn't use it 2010-01-20T17:43:10 and he refused to use it, which was what shocked me 2010-01-20T17:43:11 i do not use it. my brain seems to filter out the ads for me. 2010-01-20T17:43:22 o.O 2010-01-20T17:43:38 i have something that the spammers call "ad immunity" 2010-01-20T17:44:14 same here, but i have something which psyhcologists call "add" and flashing stuff distracts me 2010-01-20T17:44:58 wow, exporting as iges and importing worked! 2010-01-20T17:45:04 nice 2010-01-20T17:45:52 and I think I learnt something about how emachineshop works too 2010-01-20T17:46:02 poorly? 2010-01-20T17:46:31 well, yes, but there was a set of numbers that I didn't understand 2010-01-20T17:55:16 *** chupacabra has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T18:12:44 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2010-01-20T18:19:53 grr at google preventing the scrapage after a certain # 2010-01-20T18:40:29 it doesn't 2010-01-20T18:40:33 that's literally the end 2010-01-20T18:50:00 oh right 2010-01-20T18:50:02 :) 2010-01-20T18:50:13 i keep thinking where are the 40k+ html files :) 2010-01-20T18:50:28 now to sort this 2010-01-20T18:55:53 it's so much fun sorting the results :) 2010-01-20T18:57:23 i don't know about you kanzure, but searches from 2005-2006 are embarrassing/depressing 2010-01-20T19:06:32 thing I don't like about emachineshop.. you put in something that is obviously bulk material with 2 facing cuts on it and their price analysis still says it'll cost $400 2010-01-20T19:07:21 QuantumG: you could call them and make your case 2010-01-20T19:07:45 yeah, or I could just ignore their service. 2010-01-20T19:08:17 did you know they got rid of the ability to select what machine to use 2010-01-20T19:08:33 now it's "auto" for all machines except the rapid prototyper, etc. 2010-01-20T19:08:34 aw 2010-01-20T19:08:48 I guess that's useful for more people 2010-01-20T19:09:43 i could see where that could be a problem for them 2010-01-20T19:10:00 that == allowing others to select what machines the machinists use 2010-01-20T19:10:59 yep, it does make one wonder why their price is $360 for something that is obviously just 15 minutes on the lathe though :) 2010-01-20T19:11:23 if you have any ideas for a good algorithm for that, pony it up 2010-01-20T19:13:54 well, emachineshop was originally more of a "tell us how to do the work" cad system.. it's progressed more to a "describe what you want and we'll figure out how to make it" which is obviously what their customers were demanding. 2010-01-20T19:14:40 oh? i'm more familiar with the recent version 2010-01-20T19:14:42 what was it previously like? 2010-01-20T19:15:39 you said exactly what machine to use for each line and the operations you could perform on the line reflected that selection 2010-01-20T19:15:51 for each line O.o 2010-01-20T19:15:56 do you have a backup of that software? 2010-01-20T19:16:32 no sorry.. it was about 3 years ago 2010-01-20T19:16:55 this is the third time I've gone "hey, emachineshop, I should check that out" 2010-01-20T19:18:31 QuantumG: have you seen this? http://designfiles.org/skdb/doc/BOMs/comparison/ 2010-01-20T19:19:47 no, but it looks about right 2010-01-20T19:22:26 my eyes are killing me 2010-01-20T19:22:42 data needs to be downloaded to me brain via some other method 2010-01-20T19:23:05 was thinking the other day that the "code" in The Matrix is probably more readable than Forth. 2010-01-20T19:23:22 have you had to read forth? 2010-01-20T19:23:33 in my youth 2010-01-20T19:23:35 brainfuck 2010-01-20T19:24:18 * ybit needs an e ink based device 2010-01-20T19:25:10 forth is basically procedural brainfuck with stacks instead of registers. 2010-01-20T19:25:28 that made me laugh 2010-01-20T19:25:52 yeah, I might as well of said "forth isn't brainfuck" :) 2010-01-20T19:28:24 *** cyrozap has quit IRC 2010-01-20T19:29:41 groupserver isn't bad 2010-01-20T19:29:48 I'm sure there's only a small modification to brainfuck required to bootstrap it to forth. 2010-01-20T19:33:26 i'm surprised there's a lack of papers on microfluidics design 2010-01-20T19:34:56 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-20T19:34:56 *** davemenn1nger has quit IRC 2010-01-20T19:34:56 *** elmom has quit IRC 2010-01-20T19:34:56 *** kardan has quit IRC 2010-01-20T19:34:56 *** CIA-30 has quit IRC 2010-01-20T19:35:01 i.e. whether or not to use certain components in certain situations, or what parameters might be better for certain components 2010-01-20T19:35:01 i think everyone is just over-optimizing their specific design over a few years that a study is conducted 2010-01-20T19:35:01 unless i'm missing something 2010-01-20T19:37:41 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T19:37:41 *** elmom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T19:37:41 *** davemenn1nger has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T19:37:41 *** CIA-30 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T19:37:41 *** kardan has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T19:57:23 eric katerman wants me to work on pyscholar again 2010-01-20T20:09:22 *** kristian1aul has quit IRC 2010-01-20T20:09:30 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T20:18:32 *** futuresoon has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T20:43:34 Petri dish PCR: laser-heated reactions in nanoliter droplet arrays 2010-01-20T20:43:36 http://designfiles.org/papers/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf 2010-01-20T20:43:43 40 amplification cycles in ~6min 2010-01-20T20:43:59 anybody heard about this cold fusion thing? 2010-01-20T20:44:58 kanzure: 404 2010-01-20T20:45:47 have we heard about the cold fusion nonsense that rocked the world 20 years ago? why yes, yes we have. 2010-01-20T20:46:40 presented at the american chemical society on the 20th anniversary of pons and fleischmann is more like it 2010-01-20T20:46:43 iow, more recently 2010-01-20T20:47:23 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion 2010-01-20T20:47:53 futuresoon: oops 2010-01-20T20:48:01 http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf 2010-01-20T20:48:54 QuantumG: it's been replicated by University of Osaka and the US Navy 2010-01-20T20:49:04 QuantumG: it really is beyond question that it's happening 2010-01-20T20:49:06 what's been replicated? 2010-01-20T20:49:09 it's all a matter of what is the mechanism 2010-01-20T20:49:10 cold fusion 2010-01-20T20:49:13 sigh 2010-01-20T20:49:16 fusion at room temperature, etc. 2010-01-20T20:49:42 read the wikipedia page 2010-01-20T20:49:52 QuantumG: have done so already., thanks 2010-01-20T20:50:51 QuantumG: have you? 2010-01-20T20:50:53 On 22–25 March 2009, the American Chemical Society held a four-day symposium on "New Energy Technology", in conjunction with the 20th anniversary of the announcement of cold fusion. At the conference, researchers with the U.S. Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center (SPAWAR) reported detection of energetic neutrons in a standard cold fusion cell design[63] using CR-39,[11] a result previously published in Die 2010-01-20T20:50:55 Naturwissenschaften.[64] The authors claim that these neutrons are indicative of nuclear reactions,[65] although some scientists indicated that a quantitative analysis would be necessary before the results are accepted by the scientific community, and that the neutrons could be caused by another nuclear mechanism than fusion.[64][66] 2010-01-20T20:51:24 yeah, another nuclear mechanism than fusion 2010-01-20T20:51:32 the point is lost on anyone who makes that specious argument 2010-01-20T20:51:41 because this is working exactly as Pons and Fleischmann said, first of all 2010-01-20T20:51:46 except now it's more replicable 2010-01-20T20:51:50 and most importantly, there's excess heat 2010-01-20T20:51:51 I think the point is lost on you. 2010-01-20T20:51:54 which is the entire point of the exercise 2010-01-20T20:51:56 QuantumG: excuse me? 2010-01-20T20:52:13 QuantumG: i'm saying there's excess heat generated here AND neutrons and that it's been proven 2010-01-20T20:52:56 yes I know.. and you're saying this in the face of evidence that says exactly the opposite. 2010-01-20T20:53:26 never mind the fact that "proven" is a nonsensical claim in physical sciences. 2010-01-20T20:54:13 QuantumG: i haven't seen you present anything 2010-01-20T20:54:21 i've been presenting things, including from the wikipedia article you cited 2010-01-20T20:55:22 more evidence: 2010-01-20T20:55:23 Now, esteemed Physics Professor Yoshiaki Arata of Osaka University in Japan claims to have made the first successful demonstration of cold fusion. Last Thursday, May 22, Arata and his colleague Yue-Chang Zhang of Shianghai Jiotong University presented the cold fusion demonstration to 60 onlookers, including other physicists, as well as reporters from six major newspapers and two TV studios. If Arata and Zhang´s demonstration 2010-01-20T20:55:25 is real, it could lead to a future of new, clean, and cheap energy generation. 2010-01-20T20:55:33 http://www.physorg.com/news131101595.html 2010-01-20T20:55:50 the US Navy confirmation (WITH neutrons) comes after this 2010-01-20T20:56:04 it seems neutrons had merely been too few to detect using then-standard methods 2010-01-20T20:56:12 still standard methods i'm sure 2010-01-20T20:57:09 dude, you read the paragraph you just posted as "proof" that something is true.. I read the paragraph as evidence that something completely watered down from the claims of Fleischmann and Pons has been reproduced once, in all the attempts to reproduce it over the years, and people in the field think it is more likely that this latest data is suspect than that they just happened to get it right. 2010-01-20T20:57:17 you start with hydrogen, you end up with helium, there are neutrons and excess heat and it is confirmed by the US Navy and a prominent Japanese physicist to work just like Pons and Fleischmann said, roughly 2010-01-20T20:57:21 this is all evidence 2010-01-20T20:57:57 QuantumG: just name someone who will stand by your of the scientific consensus TODAY 2010-01-20T20:58:02 QuantumG: someone of repute 2010-01-20T20:58:25 QuantumG: and i'll show a bunch of people of equal repute responding in detail, who were formerly skeptics but are recently convinced 2010-01-20T20:59:06 I'd be more interested in seeing them actually produce something useful from it. 2010-01-20T20:59:21 I mean, that's the point.. 2010-01-20T20:59:38 QuantumG: i thought the point was whether you knew how to properly conduct an evidentiary process in a more general sense 2010-01-20T21:00:13 ya know the best way to convince people that something interesting is going on? Make an experiment that is repeatable. 2010-01-20T21:00:21 it is repeatable 2010-01-20T21:00:27 demonstrated on command at Osaka to reporters 2010-01-20T21:00:34 the full methodology is available 2010-01-20T21:00:37 US Navy did it again 2010-01-20T21:00:41 it's been repeated by one group.. out of thousands that have tries. 2010-01-20T21:00:54 how are U of Osaka and the US Navy "one group" 2010-01-20T21:01:05 i have to go for ice cream now. but i ask you this.... 2010-01-20T21:01:07 detecting neutrons isn't the point. 2010-01-20T21:01:13 when yet another group of repute and renown confirms this 2010-01-20T21:01:19 the excess heat is the point actually 2010-01-20T21:01:29 the fact that you're outputting more energy than you use 2010-01-20T21:01:31 IS the point 2010-01-20T21:01:32 yep.. produce significant excess heat 2010-01-20T21:01:43 actually ANY is the point 2010-01-20T21:01:58 this is fusion at room temperature and it's generating excess heat 2010-01-20T21:02:00 thanks for playing 2010-01-20T21:02:01 why is that the point? 2010-01-20T21:02:04 i have to go eat ice cream 2010-01-20T21:02:09 what value is it? 2010-01-20T21:02:22 because if you get out more energy than you put in you can do work 2010-01-20T21:02:27 other than academic interest.. which is great and all.. what difference does it make? 2010-01-20T21:02:38 which is exactly what I'm saying 2010-01-20T21:02:41 no-one has done that 2010-01-20T21:02:49 no-one can come up with an experiment that does that. 2010-01-20T21:02:53 so your point is not that SCIENTISTS don't think cold fusion is real 2010-01-20T21:03:09 your point is that ENGINEERS don't yet know via price signals in their salaries that it's going to help them career wise 2010-01-20T21:03:27 fine, experiments are useless 2010-01-20T21:03:41 i made a simple claim you haven't tried to refute i guess, but only wanted to seem to 2010-01-20T21:03:44 namely that cold fusion is real 2010-01-20T21:03:48 proven in the laboratory 2010-01-20T21:03:51 repeatable 2010-01-20T21:04:18 much cheaper to replicate by hobbyists than a hot fusion reactor 2010-01-20T21:04:20 experiments are great.. neutron detecting arguments about something that can't even repeatedly produce interesting phenomena is not. 2010-01-20T21:04:21 but whatever 2010-01-20T21:04:31 the excess heat IS interesting 2010-01-20T21:04:54 the excess heat can't be repeatedly reproduced... jesus are you listening or what? 2010-01-20T21:05:03 i just showed you how it was repeated twice 2010-01-20T21:05:08 navy and osaka 2010-01-20T21:05:16 what part of that isn't clear? 2010-01-20T21:05:28 yep, and out of those 2, THOUSANDS have tried to reproduce it and failed 2010-01-20T21:05:40 you can't just say "we've had 2 wins and 1000s of losses, we're winners!!" 2010-01-20T21:05:59 nonsense 2010-01-20T21:06:04 it's been done successfully many times 2010-01-20T21:06:07 try reading your own article 2010-01-20T21:06:14 the point is that now it can be done on command 2010-01-20T21:06:35 but it can't 2010-01-20T21:06:36 we even know many of the reasons past attempts were sporadic in their successes 2010-01-20T21:07:02 where did you train in physics? i studied at an ivy league university. you? 2010-01-20T21:07:17 you haven't even read any of the materials i've given you 2010-01-20T21:07:19 how embarrassing for you 2010-01-20T21:07:29 did your ivy league university teach you to use words like "prove" to describe scientific discovery? 2010-01-20T21:07:47 he never mentioned a commercial requirement of "proof" 2010-01-20T21:07:56 I hereby call you a lying fool.. 2010-01-20T21:08:02 go get your icecream 2010-01-20T21:08:26 i'll make sure to keep this log 2010-01-20T21:08:30 very interesting in a year or two 2010-01-20T21:12:19 hm, i never saw this article before 2010-01-20T21:12:19 http://wetpong.net/wetpong/?page_id=115 2010-01-20T21:12:23 "Homemade Microfluidics using adhesive tape 2010-01-20T21:12:24 Microfluidics" 2010-01-20T21:12:26 it has pictures too :) 2010-01-20T21:13:43 heh he cures pdms by leaving it to sit for 2 days 2010-01-20T21:15:35 stalk: Marc Dusseiller 2010-01-20T21:16:00 well that was easy. http://www.dusseiller.ch/labs/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/card_front_norm_new_48.jpg 2010-01-20T21:16:49 er what exactly are these devices doing for him? 2010-01-20T21:16:52 http://wetpong.net/wetpong/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/figure6_devices_overview_100mm.jpg 2010-01-20T21:17:04 looks like it's an improvized liquid wasting device 2010-01-20T21:22:31 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-20T21:25:25 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T21:42:18 so we had a cold fusion discussion interesting 2010-01-20T21:42:51 I for one favor chipscale hot fusion 2010-01-20T21:43:41 where you use a tiny particle accelerator 2010-01-20T21:50:20 got any papers? 2010-01-20T21:50:44 heh :) 2010-01-20T21:52:36 http://www.ibridgenetwork.org/cornell/particle-accelerator-on-a-chip 2010-01-20T21:52:42 trying to find some 2010-01-20T21:52:49 thanks 2010-01-20T21:53:08 try searching for particle accelerator on a chip 2010-01-20T21:53:34 Pyroelectric effect? 2010-01-20T21:54:10 Oh. No. 2010-01-20T21:54:14 genehacker: are you sure that i didn't just make this up and you're repeating my falsehoods? 2010-01-20T21:55:42 quite sure 2010-01-20T21:55:50 I read about it in a blog a while back 2010-01-20T21:55:51 why? 2010-01-20T21:55:59 we've discussed this before 2010-01-20T21:56:05 it sounds like something i would have made up and told you about 2010-01-20T21:56:12 okay. 2010-01-20T21:56:38 I can tell when you make stuff up 2010-01-20T21:56:55 well i wasn't intentionally making it up, but i don't remember there being references out there :) so that's cool 2010-01-20T21:57:09 I'm confused 2010-01-20T21:57:13 er 2010-01-20T21:57:25 100-1000 keV .. umm.. that's incredibl 2010-01-20T21:57:26 e 2010-01-20T21:57:28 "wouldn't it be neat if there was a particle-accelerator-on-a-chip" 2010-01-20T21:57:28 *** any44941367 is now known as katsmeow 2010-01-20T21:57:36 genehacker: nevermind 2010-01-20T21:58:11 I think the advantage of making a tiny particle accelerator are all the weird effects you get from quantization phenomenon 2010-01-20T22:00:10 kinda annoying that the page has no references on it 2010-01-20T22:02:09 ya 2010-01-20T22:02:13 http://www.technologyreview.com/computing/24265/?a=f 2010-01-20T22:02:26 that page has a link to a patent on it that says "issued" and its for an anti-skidding device 2010-01-20T22:02:32 hah 2010-01-20T22:04:07 just google particle accelerator on a chip 2010-01-20T22:06:44 wtf 2010-01-20T22:06:47 jonathan cline moved to san diego :( 2010-01-20T22:07:02 to work with http://maxlinear.com/ 2010-01-20T22:09:01 argh my gears are coming out weird, there's tiny gaps between the teeth... 2010-01-20T22:17:21 skdb: kanzure * r a91728e /doc/tech-tree/ (civtech.csv readme.txt tech.py url.txt): added charles mirriam's tech.py civilization tree code 2010-01-20T22:18:20 I hate when cheese gets stuck in between the tiny teeth 2010-01-20T22:20:42 skdb: kanzure * r 22da4d7 /doc/installing: fix quoting issue in doc/installing 2010-01-20T22:21:22 http://www.ultramicroscopic.com/?p=160 2010-01-20T22:22:18 "Oh, there’s more. Fascinated with the kiosk, middle son swiped a book under the upc scanner and waited for the book to be read to him in the headphones." 2010-01-20T22:22:31 yep, that's the bit I liked too 2010-01-20T22:23:09 you show kids how something works and they immediately generalize it. 2010-01-20T22:24:31 http://thoughtware.tv/videos/watch/4703-Telepathic-critterdrug-Experiment-24-fps-Part-1 part 2 in a few hours 2010-01-20T22:25:20 *** danielfalck_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T22:32:39 this is from the guys who are doing biocoder/biostream (protocols -> C code) http://groups.csail.mit.edu/cag/micado/ 2010-01-20T22:32:45 an autocad plugin for microfluidics 2010-01-20T22:34:21 multi-layer soft lithography 2010-01-20T22:34:25 wassat then? 2010-01-20T22:34:48 *** danielfalck has quit IRC 2010-01-20T22:35:06 microfluidics in rubbery stuff with channels at different layers 2010-01-20T22:35:33 it's cool because you can make valves just by crossing two channels 2010-01-20T22:35:51 when you design units with this cad, can you send off to have them printed? 2010-01-20T22:36:24 or do you need to have the manufacturing hardware yourself.. and is that big/expensive? 2010-01-20T22:36:42 QuantumG: ho ho ho. it just smells really terrible 2010-01-20T22:36:51 researchers love it though because it's relatively cheap 2010-01-20T22:37:15 i don't know anyone that makes these on demand for you yet 2010-01-20T22:37:19 though that would be pretty cool 2010-01-20T22:37:35 heh, I'm watching the "screencast" and seeing vast amounts of red, and now firefox has crashed, gold. 2010-01-20T22:38:23 anyway, so the manufacturing hardware is available? 2010-01-20T22:38:32 i don't have it 2010-01-20T22:38:49 but PDMS + SU-8 photolithography is supposed to be easy 2010-01-20T22:38:55 well, it sounds interesting 2010-01-20T22:38:58 * kanzure hasn't figured out the optics yet 2010-01-20T22:39:05 do we have an optics person in here? :( 2010-01-20T22:39:18 how wide are these channels? 2010-01-20T22:39:29 variable width 2010-01-20T22:39:34 some people do nano-size channels (not easy) 2010-01-20T22:39:34 ballpark 2010-01-20T22:39:38 others are fine with 500micron 2010-01-20T22:39:44 but most stuff i see is 10 to 100 micron 2010-01-20T22:40:16 k, sounds like more accuracy than reprap could do, so I guess you do need photolithography 2010-01-20T22:40:54 anyone done anything interesting with them? 2010-01-20T22:41:03 http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/ 2010-01-20T22:41:12 all sorts of crazy shit 2010-01-20T22:41:14 lots of biology stuff 2010-01-20T22:41:42 DNA sequencing, DNA synthesis too :) 2010-01-20T22:41:56 cause you know what my interest is.. 2010-01-20T22:42:02 ? 2010-01-20T22:42:04 rocketry? 2010-01-20T22:42:35 tabletop device for performing bacteria transfection protocols 2010-01-20T22:42:44 yes they've done that 2010-01-20T22:43:09 awesome, remember the title of the paper? 2010-01-20T22:43:30 here's one with viruses: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Cell%20infection%20within%20a%20microfluidic%20device%20using%20virus%20gradients.pdf 2010-01-20T22:43:37 also anything about cell lysis in that folder 2010-01-20T22:44:14 hm that's weird. there's no paper with "transfection" in the title in that directory? 2010-01-20T22:44:34 I never remember the generic word for "put my DNA into the cells please" 2010-01-20T22:44:53 electroporation is hot with the microfluidics people 2010-01-20T22:45:30 ah here's one: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Continuous%20Low-Voltage%20dc%20Electroporation%20on%20a%20Microfluidic%20Chip%20with%20Polyelectrolytic%20Salt%20Bridges.pdf 2010-01-20T22:45:40 but really, the 'lysis' papers are good for that 2010-01-20T22:45:44 no-one done that calcium protocol with microfluidics? 2010-01-20T22:45:51 some of them use lasers to blatantly cut into the cells so dna can flow in 2010-01-20T22:45:55 i'm sure they have. one sec 2010-01-20T22:46:40 http://www.dusseiller.ch/mms_wiki/images/3/34/Microfluidic_for_cellomics_chapter_1.pdf 2010-01-20T22:46:43 crud that's only chapter 1 2010-01-20T22:47:21 single cell transfection dynamics http://ho.seas.ucla.edu/publications/conference/2006/Na-MicroTAS-2006.pdf 2010-01-20T22:48:52 hm this is hard to find 2010-01-20T22:49:10 QuantumG: transformation 2010-01-20T22:49:51 *** futuresoon has quit IRC 2010-01-20T22:50:36 QuantumG: try this? http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/On-chip%20transformation%20of%20bacteria.pdf 2010-01-20T22:51:01 nice 2010-01-20T22:51:39 yep that uses the calcium chloride method 2010-01-20T22:52:02 also, the idea of doing stuff with single organisms interests me 2010-01-20T22:52:04 *** klord has quit IRC 2010-01-20T22:52:15 QuantumG: check out the papers in that dir that say "droplet" 2010-01-20T22:52:27 what they do is they use water-in-oil emulsions inside these devices 2010-01-20T22:52:34 so then you can compartmentalize a single cell into a single droplet 2010-01-20T22:52:50 with a separated environment you can do some nifty quantized experiments and engineering 2010-01-20T22:53:10 i especially like the papers about directed evolution using these methods. 2010-01-20T22:53:11 *** klord has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T22:53:27 trends: miniaturising the laboratory in emulsion droplets http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Trends%20-%20miniautirising%20the%20laboratory%20in%20emulsion%20droplets.pdf 2010-01-20T22:53:43 trends: droplets as microreactors for high-throughput biology http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Trends%20-%20Droplets%20as%20Microreactors%20for%20High-Throughput%20Biology.pdf 2010-01-20T22:54:00 synthesizing DNA, transforming a cell, communicating with the cell via lasers and light sensors, all on the one chip? 2010-01-20T22:54:07 be nice 2010-01-20T22:54:18 here's some papers on DNA synthesis: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/synthesis/ 2010-01-20T22:56:59 so are there any microfluidic units for sale? 2010-01-20T22:57:43 dunno.. so far it seems to be a consulting-related industry, so if you have the money i'm sure someone will do it for you 2010-01-20T23:01:09 i've been thinking of laser cutting some devices once i commit microfluidics.py into skdb.git 2010-01-20T23:04:38 I think ultimately this is why I like commercial motivation... customers challenge people to make more interesting things. 2010-01-20T23:08:07 http://www.pabr.org/wxhmd/doc/wxhmd.en.html 2010-01-20T23:08:09 well, hello 2010-01-20T23:08:39 " WXHMD is a Gumstix Overo Fire computer-on-module driving a Vuzix VR920 head-mounted display: Stereoscopic 640x480, audio in/out, 3D tilt sensor, 3D magnetic compass, TI OMAP3530 @ 600 MHz, Linux, WiFi, Bluetooth, 1 amp @ 3.7 volts, 180 grams. " 2010-01-20T23:09:07 I own a VR920, it's in a cardboard box behind me 2010-01-20T23:09:34 haha the firefox screenshot screams "bloat!" to me 2010-01-20T23:09:39 but yeah 2010-01-20T23:09:55 " Battery life . The systems draws 1 A with no power optimizations. This is acceptable since nobody would want to spend more than a few minutes with two pulsed microwave RF transmitters, an overheating lithium battery and eye-straining optics strapped to their forehead anyway. " 2010-01-20T23:10:22 hehe 2010-01-20T23:11:26 Wow. I have to have that. 2010-01-20T23:13:43 http://quantumg.net/vr3.jpg http://quantumg.net/ubergeekchic.jpg 2010-01-20T23:13:58 I have a pic somewhere of a smaller black camera I mounted on it 2010-01-20T23:14:22 .. but they all suck.. the latency and the light-sensitivity is horrid. 2010-01-20T23:37:01 how can you not like biology and want to work in a pharmceutical company lab? 2010-01-20T23:37:40 http://designfiles.org/papers/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf 2010-01-20T23:37:43 is a 404 2010-01-20T23:37:48 oh right 2010-01-20T23:40:26 *** futuresoon has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-20T23:47:03 *** danielfalck_ has quit IRC 2010-01-20T23:51:58 *** nchaimov has quit IRC 2010-01-20T23:56:00 the wxhmd is hawt 2010-01-20T23:58:15 QuantumG: you look like a cyclops :P 2010-01-21T00:02:34 the wxhmd needs to cover up its sexy parts though, it can't go out in public naked 2010-01-21T00:03:39 21:07 < futuresoon> where did you train in physics? i studied at an ivy league university. you? 2010-01-21T00:03:43 really? 2010-01-21T00:03:48 come on 2010-01-21T00:04:25 yeah, cause it's logically impossible 2010-01-21T00:04:41 no, that you would feel the need to bring it up 2010-01-21T00:05:01 ybit: well i'm making the claim cold fusion is real 2010-01-21T00:05:05 ybit: i'm being challenged 2010-01-21T00:05:15 ybit: i'm interested in the credentials of who's challenging me 2010-01-21T00:05:21 ybit: seems appropriate to offer mine first 2010-01-21T00:05:23 *** nchaimov has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T00:05:43 okay, but next time, it will help your argument if you don't bring up your education history that way :) 2010-01-21T00:06:25 ybit: actually, if you scroll up from there, facts and reasoning were attempted multiple times 2010-01-21T00:06:32 i read it all 2010-01-21T00:06:45 ybit: so i figure i can't be contending with forces more formidable than simple appeals to the authority of someone else's physics knowledge 2010-01-21T00:06:49 or else facts and reasoning would have worked 2010-01-21T00:07:08 ybit: read any of the links i gave? 2010-01-21T00:07:12 ybit: follow up at all? 2010-01-21T00:07:16 nope 2010-01-21T00:07:23 read the quotes you pasted 2010-01-21T00:07:40 i've got the links open, haven't read any of the logs' links yet though 2010-01-21T00:08:48 a 15 year old kid made a hot fusion reactor 2010-01-21T00:08:56 this is apparently easier and less dangerous to make 2010-01-21T00:09:01 cheaper 2010-01-21T00:10:11 there's the advantage of not dying from high voltages that must be mentioned in this regard 2010-01-21T00:10:24 plus it's just cooler 2010-01-21T00:10:29 get it? ha 2010-01-21T00:56:49 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T01:02:06 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-21T01:36:10 *** katsmeow has quit IRC 2010-01-21T01:36:33 *** any39819478 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T01:38:09 *** any39819478 is now known as katsmeow 2010-01-21T01:38:21 *** flamt_ has joined #hplusroadmap 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nice little slicer with pythonOCC to slice up STL files. 2010-01-21T09:39:55 into SVG files O.o 2010-01-21T09:40:09 http://dev.forums.reprap.org/read.php?12,20013,23557 2010-01-21T09:41:19 http://home.bluedirt.org/OccSlicer/ 2010-01-21T09:56:05 so.. since when did google let you search with regular expressions? http://www.google.com/codesearch 2010-01-21T09:56:20 "only in class and function names" 2010-01-21T10:01:15 hm http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#3xYuwD7nknk/repos/ITAPS/cgm/trunk/geom/SolidWorks/SWQueryEngine.cpp&q=solidworks&sa=N&cd=20&ct=rc 2010-01-21T10:13:49 never thought about DIY chemitry like that, group of elerdly chemists looking for a nice way to g http://www.exitinternational.net/ 0_o 2010-01-21T10:57:22 austinites might wish to check this out: http://forum.fatmanandcircuitgirl.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=181 2010-01-21T10:59:33 "and probably will have a Staubli 6-axis robot by that time too" 2010-01-21T11:00:34 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T11:01:02 oops that was jan 2009 2010-01-21T11:01:10 nevermind 2010-01-21T11:02:08 * fenn wonders why all the forum posts are from january 2009 2010-01-21T11:10:53 does anyone have CATSysRunBrw.dll? 2010-01-21T11:45:40 fenn: do you know which ones, they aren't listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_circles#Causes 2010-01-21T11:46:38 anyway, i've a feeling it's the usual advice which would help me: sleep, exercise, adequate diet, balance 2010-01-21T11:46:58 boringly correct 2010-01-21T11:49:17 i would look at that pic on wikipedia forever and never see any "dark circles" 2010-01-21T11:49:31 google regex has been around before google web history :) 2010-01-21T11:51:00 ftr kanzure ^ 2010-01-21T11:53:22 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T11:53:42 kanzure: will you append the missing web history to !logs 2010-01-21T11:53:48 !logs 2010-01-21T11:53:48 ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt 2010-01-21T12:14:25 http://github.com/slepp :: filebin.ca and pastebin.ca source code 2010-01-21T12:15:28 perhaps we could implement filebin on designfiles and then give some date option or let it be known how long the file will last? 2010-01-21T12:16:22 AP covers mindshare: http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2595357/mindshare_la_where_scenesters_and_intellectuals.html?cat=15 2010-01-21T12:25:53 ybit: i like that idea 2010-01-21T12:26:04 maybe we can get the diybio/om peeps to start using it :( 2010-01-21T12:26:22 that was the point, scribd _is_ annoying 2010-01-21T12:27:39 is it just me or are "real journalist" newspaper articles worse than ever these day? 2010-01-21T12:29:18 * kanzure grins 2010-01-21T12:29:23 from skdb import solidworks 2010-01-21T12:29:26 * kanzure watches the magic happen 2010-01-21T12:29:36 please no! 2010-01-21T12:29:55 i'm kidding :) i dunno where i'm going to put this though 2010-01-21T12:30:42 what are you trying to do with solidworks? 2010-01-21T12:30:53 just make generic python bindings? 2010-01-21T12:31:03 dunno. just playing around. 2010-01-21T12:31:07 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T12:31:07 (could be a project in its own right) 2010-01-21T12:31:10 i have solidworks dll files imported through ctypes running under wine 2010-01-21T12:31:58 Noam Chomsky on OSE: "Interesting ideas, I don't know of anything quite like it" 2010-01-21T12:32:01 i have no idea how i'm going to figure out the parameters it wants 2010-01-21T12:32:13 the functions i mean 2010-01-21T12:32:15 OSE? 2010-01-21T12:32:19 oh 2010-01-21T12:38:17 ?BuildFromSTEP@CATUnicodeString@@QAEHPBD@Z hm.. 2010-01-21T12:45:39 "The third goal is to combine the work of the CandyFab project with that of Open3dp to produce an open-source powder-bed printer. With some development, this machine will be able to make ceramic and opaque glass objects and bind metal powder for heat sintering." 2010-01-21T12:48:12 ooh it's in pkzip 2010-01-21T12:49:23 hm pkunzip isn't in the repos? 2010-01-21T12:50:29 stephen olesen re: storage time on filebin.ca: "Hello, I have yet to delete anything, ever, from filebin (except by request). The idea behind it is that frequently accessed files or combined with the size of the files will dictate which files get removed (frequently accessed ones will stay longer). I'd say there's a good probability any file you put up will stick around another year or two, at least." 2010-01-21T12:51:14 storage is absurdly cheap these days 2010-01-21T12:53:27 $0.09/GB 2010-01-21T12:55:29 at minimum wage you could store 16MB/s continuously 2010-01-21T12:55:46 of course you have to sleep and spend money on other things 2010-01-21T12:56:56 funny that you can buy hard drives faster than it's possible to write to a single disk 2010-01-21T12:57:21 most disks top out at around 15MB/s 2010-01-21T12:57:36 well, the cheap crap i buy at least 2010-01-21T12:58:13 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T12:58:21 are you sure you can buy faster than you can write? because somewhere, someone has to be doing a write when you buy 2010-01-21T12:59:42 you mean the CIA snooping every bit i send to the drive? 2010-01-21T13:00:29 time traveling robots from the future? 2010-01-21T13:00:40 er.. no. to buy something, you need to tell the stores (that's a write) 2010-01-21T13:01:16 * kanzure goes away 2010-01-21T13:02:10 ok so i actually tested some stuff and my hard disk is 50MB/s; flash cards were 15MB/s 2010-01-21T13:12:19 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T13:21:01 *** kristian1aul is now known as kristianpaul 2010-01-21T13:24:43 *** chupadupa has quit IRC 2010-01-21T13:37:19 fenn: gohan is still ticking. 2010-01-21T13:37:36 honestly i'm impressed 2010-01-21T13:39:45 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-21T13:39:53 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T13:41:38 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T14:08:49 kanzure: 2010-01-21T14:08:51 whoops 2010-01-21T14:16:27 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T14:16:33 http://melikyan.blogspot.com/2010/01/era-of-black-boxes.html 2010-01-21T14:16:37 http://www.spsneo.com/scripts/poststatus.tar.gz 2010-01-21T14:19:41 http://spsneo.com/blog/2010/01/20/post-pidgin-and-twitter-status-from-command-line/ 2010-01-21T14:35:36 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-21T14:45:10 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T14:56:23 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T15:02:25 http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/darpas-economic-fix-make-manufacturing-sector-run-semiconductor-biz 2010-01-21T15:04:05 wow 2010-01-21T15:04:10 now that was unexpected 2010-01-21T15:05:26 hope they fund some stuff to make manufacturing more flexible 2010-01-21T15:06:41 (supposed to be in http://www.tvworldwide.com/events/pcast/100107/default.cfm?id=11932&type=flv&test=0&live=0 too) 2010-01-21T15:23:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04Q9tuSaCYA :: what's new in firefox 3.6 2010-01-21T15:42:38 * fenn reads about bourke engines... probably less boring than what you guys are up to 2010-01-21T15:45:24 i want to make a really small one and crank it up to 20krpm 2010-01-21T15:46:33 an integrated linear alternator would be neat too 2010-01-21T15:49:43 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T15:53:14 *** kristian1aul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T15:53:45 make a fuel pump for me ;) 2010-01-21T15:55:43 *** chupacabra has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T16:05:43 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-21T16:08:32 ybit: fyi, sam putman is angry about gnusha since it's the same as replab.. so that has to be resolved eventually 2010-01-21T16:08:33 *** kristian1aul has quit IRC 2010-01-21T16:08:49 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T16:14:28 *** kristian1aul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T16:20:51 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-21T16:21:10 skdb: kanzure * r dde062a / (3 files in 2 dirs): found some bugs in the unit tests; minor octopart.py update 2010-01-21T16:21:56 *** futuresoon has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T16:22:10 *** any01805028 is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-21T16:32:42 wtf 2010-01-21T16:32:43 "pySVG is distributed under a dual license. It is free software for noncommercial purposes, available under a GPL-style open source license and for other purposes can be purchased. " 2010-01-21T16:32:50 it can't be GPL for "noncommercial purposes" 2010-01-21T16:33:25 must be the MySQL definition of GPL 2010-01-21T16:35:01 it's GPL until it interferes with out business of selling commercial licences, then we'll become more jewish than hanukkah 2010-01-21T16:36:44 fenn: what's your svg library of choice with python? 2010-01-21T16:36:55 pycairo seems to only work for 2.6 which isn't bad but somewhat annoying 2010-01-21T16:47:48 http://makerfaire.com/bayarea/2010/entry/ deadline: march 31st 2010-01-21T16:56:40 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T17:05:08 kanzure: anything ever happen with marcin and OSE? i don't see anything on the replab board lately 2010-01-21T17:05:36 kanzure: they've been turning off their server or something lately too i guess. at least the web has been down 2010-01-21T17:10:36 dunno. wish someone would tell me. 2010-01-21T17:18:46 looks like cycloidal.py uses cairo. guess i'll use that too 2010-01-21T17:19:15 and 1.8.8 is 2.6 only, but 1.8.4 seems to work with 2.5 2010-01-21T17:19:23 which is what's in debian's repos anyway 2010-01-21T17:22:56 futuresoon: they've been having isp issues, and marcin has been discussing with bkero and mrclif about using their services 2010-01-21T17:24:19 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T17:24:21 :3 2010-01-21T17:26:57 http://singularityhub.com/2010/01/21/igniting-a-brain-computer-interface-revolution-bci-x-prize/ 2010-01-21T17:34:57 bkero: how's that going btw? 2010-01-21T17:35:23 "vision to the blind, GPS to the willing" is a very nice catchphrase 2010-01-21T17:35:26 ybit: Up and running. There were some issues with getting the domain A record pointing at me. 2010-01-21T17:36:48 http://www.bitcortex.com/2010/01/03/brain-computer-interfaces-inputoutput-vs-readwrite/ 2010-01-21T18:10:20 * katsmeow-afk is glad ybit missed the 5:30 tornado 2010-01-21T18:21:19 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T18:57:47 *** danielfalck has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T18:59:09 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T19:09:27 huh solidworks has libcurl compiled into it 2010-01-21T19:12:14 for updates? 2010-01-21T19:12:24 dunno 2010-01-21T19:12:38 CURLFileOpen 2010-01-21T19:12:50 ?OnOpenEventUrlfileopen1@CURLFileOpen@@IAEXXZ 2010-01-21T19:14:05 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T19:47:31 *** thesnark has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T19:50:07 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T19:50:47 hello thesnark 2010-01-21T19:51:10 hello kanzure 2010-01-21T19:59:21 *** kristian1aul has quit IRC 2010-01-21T19:59:29 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T20:06:18 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T20:09:18 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2010-01-21T20:10:08 http://lib.bioinfo.pl/auid:5113128 2010-01-21T20:36:11 kanzure: i have a private server where i currently host people. you think bkero and mrclif have it covered? 2010-01-21T20:46:34 dunno, it's been taking them a while 2010-01-21T20:52:58 Its beemn up with me for a few days 2010-01-21T20:54:06 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-21T20:57:09 ocrap 2010-01-21T20:57:11 yes it is :) 2010-01-21T21:07:29 i seem to max out at 40 people/day in online communication 2010-01-21T21:44:47 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T21:52:54 it doesn't do much except help figure out what functions/objects are available: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/solidworks.py 2010-01-21T21:53:18 run it under python 2.6 under wine 2010-01-21T21:56:50 futuresoon YOU HOST PEOPLE?! 2010-01-21T21:57:17 :) I had to 2010-01-21T21:57:53 "a Free and Open Source Disaster Management system" - http://haiti.sahanafoundation.org/prod/ 2010-01-21T21:58:15 anyone have "programming, web development, Python, or GIS experience" 2010-01-21T21:58:23 sure 2010-01-21T21:59:28 "please email me (scopatz@mail.utexas.edu) or our Google Group (import-rescue@googlegroups.com) ASAP. " 2010-01-21T21:59:32 forwarding 2010-01-21T22:09:23 *** thesnark has quit IRC 2010-01-21T22:57:30 how do you drop from #3 to #4 in the google search results for open manufacturing? 2010-01-21T22:57:57 while links to the site increase 2010-01-21T23:03:12 other sites incresae faster 2010-01-21T23:05:24 but we are replaced with a year old article 2010-01-21T23:06:21 i dunno,, is your robots.txt restrictive? 2010-01-21T23:07:30 i can engage in more wag if you like :-) 2010-01-21T23:09:43 ybit: doesn't matter how old the article is, but how much link juice it has 2010-01-21T23:10:10 ybit: you can also lose link juice by linking to the wrong things yourself (dunno if that's happening) 2010-01-21T23:10:29 ybit: magical explanations i know but this is my limited understanding of link mana 2010-01-21T23:10:50 ybit: using good SEO? 2010-01-21T23:11:13 http://drupal.org/project/seo_checklist 2010-01-21T23:11:39 we could go all blackhat on it if you want 2010-01-21T23:11:45 xpymep, and usch 2010-01-21T23:11:59 kanzure: doesn't that not work, primarily via some kind of generalized backfire mechanism? 2010-01-21T23:12:22 no 2010-01-21T23:12:26 it still works :) 2010-01-21T23:12:34 although not for high competition keywords 2010-01-21T23:13:31 kanzure: oh well stuff that works is pretty sweet 2010-01-21T23:13:37 * kanzure nods 2010-01-21T23:14:51 *** marainein has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T23:15:25 why can't i find gridbeam on the futures market at the chicago mercantile exchange. is this something we should think about? 2010-01-21T23:17:06 it's not possible to make square tubing other than with progressive dies right? multi-hundred thousand dollar factories and what-not? 2010-01-21T23:19:36 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-21T23:20:34 basically i want to use the phrase "gridbeam is in backwardation" at some point in my life 2010-01-21T23:49:56 yeah gridbeam is made with weird dies 2010-01-21T23:50:30 can you find screws on the futures market? 2010-01-21T23:53:42 oh I thought you meant that other system 2010-01-21T23:55:20 there are ways to make grid beam other than with progressive dies and multihundered thousand dollar factories... but it doesn't make any economic sense 2010-01-22T00:08:23 i think that's whacktastic 2010-01-22T00:08:29 you into diy bio? 2010-01-22T00:08:46 you're in #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T00:08:51 what do you think? 2010-01-22T00:08:55 yes I am 2010-01-22T00:09:18 genehacker: i dunno, i originally came here to find kanzure because of an interest in open source ecology 2010-01-22T00:09:19 cool 2010-01-22T00:09:29 and I want to make a DNA synthesizer 2010-01-22T00:09:32 i've been trying to find information on diy blood breath and urine tests for metabolytes 2010-01-22T00:09:44 in order to make a DNA synthesizer I need to make the chemicals for it 2010-01-22T00:09:50 i made a cursory search of the biohacker community but i don't see anything really 2010-01-22T00:09:58 coolness 2010-01-22T00:10:05 in order to do that I need microreactor or something 2010-01-22T00:10:10 sounds like you're looking for microarrays 2010-01-22T00:10:22 kanzure: me? i am 2010-01-22T00:10:23 or really any array 2010-01-22T00:10:23 ? 2010-01-22T00:10:26 yes 2010-01-22T00:10:36 that's what I want to do to 2010-01-22T00:10:50 so the problem with testing for stuff 2010-01-22T00:10:56 is doing it consistently 2010-01-22T00:11:25 and anyway there isn't much going on in the biohacker community 2010-01-22T00:11:49 it's sort of in the state mainframe hacking was in 2010-01-22T00:12:06 kanzure: yup, that's a lead. thanks 2010-01-22T00:12:23 microarrays feasible in DIY? 2010-01-22T00:12:24 futuresoon: you will probably find some interesting stuff here: http://designfiles.org/papers/ 2010-01-22T00:12:27 yes 2010-01-22T00:12:30 kanzure you got a nice cheap way to make microarrays I don't know about? 2010-01-22T00:12:41 manually? 2010-01-22T00:14:44 genehacker: did you see the laser PCR papers? 2010-01-22T00:14:58 no 2010-01-22T00:15:09 petri dish PCR: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Petri%20dish%20PCR%20-%20laser-heated%20reactions%20in%20nanoliter%20droplet%20arrays.pdf 2010-01-22T00:18:15 that's cool 2010-01-22T00:21:29 http://biofab.org/ 2010-01-22T00:21:39 genehacker: do you know what the varying interest levels are for genomics, proteomics and metabolite analysis? 2010-01-22T00:21:54 genehacker: from what i hear it's mostly dna---is that for a reason? 2010-01-22T00:22:25 interest levels? what? 2010-01-22T00:22:50 kanzure: as in, i assume there's a lot more interest in genomics than proteomics, and much more in proteomics than metabolomics 2010-01-22T00:23:16 there's a lot of people interested in the results of metabolomics for sure 2010-01-22T00:23:18 kanzure: i'm wondering if that's the case and if that's for technical reasons 2010-01-22T00:23:26 but right now people are working on basic infrastructure to play with dna and do related experiments 2010-01-22T00:23:40 yeah, it's hard to do metabome engineering with no lab equipment 2010-01-22T00:23:52 i guess you can do some bioinformatics, but it's no fun when you can't confirm 2010-01-22T00:24:12 *metabolome 2010-01-22T00:24:32 i hadn't even considered engineering metabolites 2010-01-22T00:24:38 i was thinking of just measurement, observation 2010-01-22T00:24:43 oh 2010-01-22T00:24:54 that's much more interesting than DNA to me 2010-01-22T00:25:24 what do i care what could potentially be expressed as much as either what is expressed (proteomics) or even more importantly, what's happening from moment to moment over time 2010-01-22T00:25:59 so either there's some reasoning on a philosophical level i don't know about or it's just too difficult in practice 2010-01-22T00:26:09 it's not a matter of what could potentially be expressed.. it's about reprogramming it from moment to moment 2010-01-22T00:26:22 and recreating your programs 2010-01-22T00:26:50 I don't know I need to level up 2010-01-22T00:26:53 i think of metabolites as the standard output 2010-01-22T00:27:03 if i don't know what that is, how do i know what i did to the program 2010-01-22T00:27:07 sure 2010-01-22T00:27:15 no arguments there 2010-01-22T00:27:52 oligonucleotides are real big right? 2010-01-22T00:27:55 maybe that's it 2010-01-22T00:28:01 i need to level up too 2010-01-22T00:30:41 here's my first cross reference of "microarrays" and "metabolite" http://www.signaling-gateway.org/update/updates/200912/nmeth1209-864b.html interesting so far 2010-01-22T00:32:00 A key advantage of this array approach is that, by focusing on biochemically relevant interactions, it becomes essentially species-independent. "The molecules that the array contains are universal for all forms of life; in fact, the metabolites collectively represent the central metabolic pathways of all cellular systems," says Ferrer. "For this reason, it may be useful for any kind of sample, ranging from single cells, to 2010-01-22T00:32:02 environmental samples, to tissues, blood samples and so on." 2010-01-22T00:32:11 interesting. did not know that 2010-01-22T00:34:02 so you can use the same microarray chip (hereafter, "thingie") for almost anything living, i guess 2010-01-22T00:34:47 whereas this dna ("other thingie") chip sounds like it has to be re-engineered every time 2010-01-22T00:39:31 not really 2010-01-22T00:40:15 genehacker: on which count? 2010-01-22T00:43:53 the DNA chip is easier to reengineer 2010-01-22T00:44:14 you're talking about DNA microarrays right? 2010-01-22T00:44:27 if you're looking for a specific DNA sequence they're great 2010-01-22T00:44:45 IE finding if you're sick with X virus 2010-01-22T00:44:56 dna microarrays versus some kind of "metabolite microarray" 2010-01-22T00:45:09 peptide arrays? 2010-01-22T00:45:18 i'm reading an article where protein arrays are used 2010-01-22T00:45:25 but i don't know if that's the same as the first one or not 2010-01-22T00:45:31 I've heard there are problems with those 2010-01-22T00:45:54 oh that could be that new carbohydrate array thing 2010-01-22T00:46:33 you can use aptamers (folded DNA sequences) to detect metabolites too, btw 2010-01-22T00:51:02 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-22T00:52:00 kanzure: sounds like that may be the state of the art 2010-01-22T00:52:06 it's been around for a while 2010-01-22T00:52:35 The generation of high density multiplexed aptamer arrays for molecular diagnostics was first proposed nearly ten years ago for the quantification of the thousands of proteins within biological samples, including blood and urine. 2010-01-22T00:52:50 exactly what i'm looking for 2010-01-22T00:56:10 futuresoon: here's some papers on aptamers: http://designfiles.org/papers/ellington/ 2010-01-22T00:56:38 kanzure: sweet :-) 2010-01-22T00:57:14 sudo chmod -R a+r 2010-01-22T00:57:20 are they non-read? 2010-01-22T00:57:24 think so 2010-01-22T00:57:25 oh crap 2010-01-22T00:57:40 okay fixed 2010-01-22T00:57:48 magic :-) 2010-01-22T00:57:58 i am still not over the internet 2010-01-22T00:58:01 ? 2010-01-22T00:58:20 i think people should be completely ridiculously excited all the time about the times we live in 2010-01-22T00:58:57 everything's so great yet everybody's so unhappy 2010-01-22T00:59:06 i suffer from this too 2010-01-22T00:59:12 um, ok 2010-01-22T01:06:11 it's what happens to technology that becomes ubiquitous 2010-01-22T01:07:08 I hope that in the future biotech and reprap becomes ubiquitous 2010-01-22T01:07:38 who cares about people taking it for granted all that matters is what you can do with it 2010-01-22T01:15:08 hey, i'm with you 2010-01-22T01:15:21 i just also think it's awesome that i can be seated mid-air at 30,000 feet 2010-01-22T01:16:01 "that chimpanzees have a better photographic memory than people" <-- buh? 2010-01-22T01:16:13 dammit 2010-01-22T01:16:21 I need to read that article on grid cells 2010-01-22T01:16:31 kanzure: absolutely 2010-01-22T01:16:55 kanzure: you give chimps a sequence of disappearing numbers for a split second and they can point to where 13 of them were in sequence 2010-01-22T01:16:59 a human can do like 3 2010-01-22T01:17:45 kanzure: probably because there's only so much attention and it's been diverted from photographic recall into an internal verbal monologue 2010-01-22T01:18:17 kanzure: not me. i'm as smart as a chimp 2010-01-22T01:34:55 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T01:41:10 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-22T01:48:22 *** tarbo2_ has quit IRC 2010-01-22T02:08:50 *** tarbo2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T02:36:21 *** any82888594 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T02:40:53 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-22T02:55:21 *** spsneo has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T02:55:38 ybit: hi 2010-01-22T02:55:41 kanzure: hi 2010-01-22T03:01:35 *** Phreedom has quit IRC 2010-01-22T03:08:21 *** Phreedom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T03:15:28 *** spsneo has quit IRC 2010-01-22T03:16:47 *** spsneo has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T03:40:06 *** Overand has quit IRC 2010-01-22T03:57:03 *** Phreedom has quit IRC 2010-01-22T04:00:25 *** Phreedom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T04:24:44 *** spsneo has left #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T04:37:38 *** marainein has quit IRC 2010-01-22T07:25:27 *** thesnark has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T07:27:16 *** thesnark has quit IRC 2010-01-22T07:28:31 *** thesnark has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T07:41:34 *** Phreedom has quit IRC 2010-01-22T07:51:07 *** Phreedom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T08:00:32 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-22T08:00:40 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T08:17:26 interesting, the military is using a descendant of the bourke engine ("opoc") in their small APU's 2010-01-22T08:23:01 futuresoon/genehacker, no particular reason grid beam tubing couldn't be seam welded out of sheet metal 2010-01-22T08:23:40 i'm pretty sure that's how they do it already 2010-01-22T08:24:15 anyway it's called telestrut if you want to buy it mass produced 2010-01-22T08:29:53 i love how "l-3 communications" is the sixth largest defense provider 2010-01-22T08:30:16 * fenn is browsing http://www.l-3com.com/products-services/ 2010-01-22T08:33:26 word of the day: "microbolometer" 2010-01-22T08:44:15 fenn who is number one? and why is that odd? 2010-01-22T08:58:33 the dog movie is pretty cool (and funny too) http://www.morovision.com/thermal_imagers/MNV-UTM.htm 2010-01-22T09:00:10 er, the third movie that is 2010-01-22T09:24:41 *** thesnark has quit IRC 2010-01-22T10:13:31 *** randallagordon has quit IRC 2010-01-22T10:18:39 *** randallagordon has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T10:18:47 "the replicator, no longer a star trek dream" http://thetyee.ca/News/2010/01/22/Replicator/ (it's just about neil and such) 2010-01-22T10:35:54 *** randallagordon has quit IRC 2010-01-22T10:38:56 *** randallagordon has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T11:05:07 jeremiah was looking at an hp pavilion dv6-1375dx laptop. these things are coming with 6GB DDR3 these days?? 2010-01-22T12:13:12 fenn: you can make a seam but you can't make a corner 2010-01-22T12:14:30 fenn: you can use a regular good old fashioned hand-crank die to make a cylindrical tube but the moment you try to make a corner you're talking about rolling it along several 10s of meters of expensive factory 2010-01-22T12:15:31 fenn: i'm no industry pro. it's just shaping up to look that way so far from my pokings-around 2010-01-22T12:19:12 A synchronized quorum of genetic clocks http://designfiles.org/papers/A%20synchronized%20quorum%20of%20genetic%20clocks.pdf 2010-01-22T12:20:59 fenn: oh i get it, seam weld all corners, not just the last one---you sure telestrut does it that way? 2010-01-22T13:03:07 *** chupacabra has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T13:15:16 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T13:38:58 *** any10421154 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T13:43:18 *** any82888594 has quit IRC 2010-01-22T13:54:29 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-22T13:57:28 patents for modafinil expire in 2011 2010-01-22T14:06:07 that is good news 2010-01-22T14:07:14 i wonder what it takes to become a pharmaceutical manufacturer 2010-01-22T14:12:03 the ability to charge $5 per pill and collect it 2010-01-22T14:13:17 but with modafinil being regulated, i don't think that's all that's required 2010-01-22T14:13:20 *** thesnark has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T14:13:28 which is required* 2010-01-22T14:13:37 hi thesnark 2010-01-22T14:13:41 hey ybit 2010-01-22T14:13:43 holy toledo o.O 2010-01-22T14:13:51 i kow, i was being snarky before he got here 2010-01-22T14:13:52 sorry, just had to 2010-01-22T14:14:00 =D 2010-01-22T14:14:47 ybit: a portfolio of chemical components in a large automated laboratory but overall an even more expensive army of sexy sellers to harass the local doctor 2010-01-22T14:15:21 and the FDA, etc 2010-01-22T14:15:26 well, i was thinking more along the lines of manufacturing it on-site, having the local doctor(s) prescribe it at will 2010-01-22T14:15:37 "at will" 2010-01-22T14:15:57 ybit: maybe you should check Brazil work with the generics 2010-01-22T14:16:00 wouldn't it be nice if the psychiatrist was also the guy helping to manufacture the pills 2010-01-22T14:16:10 i once discovered i could make a TENS for $50 , but it would cost $500 after all the kickbacks 2010-01-22T14:16:12 or just form my own research park that does everything :) 2010-01-22T14:17:17 or take over a town 2010-01-22T14:17:31 e.g. killen alabama with a total population of just over 2k 2010-01-22T14:18:04 or do both, hrm :) 2010-01-22T14:18:21 Covaris S2 integrated in Tecan robot at GSK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGOyLEQCr4M 2010-01-22T14:19:27 you think you can get funding for a startupp in Alabama?? 2010-01-22T14:22:21 yeah, from my own experience, it's not difficult raising money for NPOs 2010-01-22T14:23:09 the "oh crap ybit needs modafinil" foundation 2010-01-22T14:23:25 * any10421154 ponders the giving of sex to doctors as bribes to prescribe drugs,, as an npo 2010-01-22T14:23:43 if i would have suggested that you would have killed me 2010-01-22T14:23:43 i ike the name suggestion by one of my friends here the 'freaks on a field' foundation 2010-01-22T14:24:15 either one works for me though :) 2010-01-22T14:24:23 anyway, does it have to be prescribed by an american doctor? 2010-01-22T14:24:45 there's so much to cipher through 2010-01-22T14:24:56 i need to be able to grep through all the laws 2010-01-22T14:25:38 harder to read that crappy code :/ 2010-01-22T14:26:07 think i'm going to create a git repository on gitorious for the county and state laws 2010-01-22T14:26:07 with includes all around the place, dynamic changes,pointer everywhere :/ 2010-01-22T14:28:39 ttp://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=com.ubuntu%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=eJl&q=pharmaceutical+site%3Alaw.cornell.edu%2Fuscode%2F&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq= 2010-01-22T14:30:19 and 2010-01-22T14:30:20 http://www.google.com/search?q=pharmaceutical+site%3Agpoaccess.gov&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.ubuntu:en-US:official&client=firefox-a 2010-01-22T14:30:26 but these searches aren't helping me much 2010-01-22T14:31:14 alabama will preempt the ederal laws every chance they get anyhow 2010-01-22T14:31:30 bbl 2010-01-22T14:43:39 ybit: i'd ask diybio if anyone could write up some pointers on where to grab information for taking over big pharma 2010-01-22T14:43:51 i'm sure there's someone who as at least worked as a janitor in a drug company on that list :/ 2010-01-22T14:44:53 so this is what Avatar was about : The study, involving scientists from the University of Cincinnati, the U.S. Department of Agriculture, and the Canadian Department of Agriculture, included volunteers in their 70s. One group drank the equivalent of 2 to 2.5 cups of blueberry juice every day for two months. 2010-01-22T14:52:19 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T14:56:27 any10421154: huh? 2010-01-22T14:56:41 kanzure: i'm waiting on someone from the fda to contact me 2010-01-22T14:57:00 specifically lisa rofka or something like that (tough last name to spell) 2010-01-22T15:00:16 14:39 < pfred1> ybit I know when pharma companies do drug runs they cannot reuse equipment 2010-01-22T15:00:27 4:40 < pfred1> ybit I've made some pretty good coin because of it too! 2010-01-22T15:02:27 *** Overand has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T15:03:31 they can't reuse equipment? 2010-01-22T15:03:34 what the hell? 2010-01-22T15:03:44 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T15:04:15 that's a question for the janitor at the pharma companies :P 2010-01-22T15:04:17 hi genehacker 2010-01-22T15:05:13 call the fda drug dept and ask: 3017963400 2010-01-22T15:08:05 *** thesnark has quit IRC 2010-01-22T15:09:14 heh i should call up with a completely inappropriate question 2010-01-22T15:09:29 "hi, uhh.. you there? i have a distillation column that's been overheating, and the amines are escaping all over the hydroxyls" 2010-01-22T15:11:19 idea to get email addresses 2010-01-22T15:11:22 create a quizes 2010-01-22T15:11:30 ? 2010-01-22T15:11:34 a quizes 2010-01-22T15:11:36 -a 2010-01-22T15:11:40 is this some sort of chemical 2010-01-22T15:11:41 oh :( 2010-01-22T15:11:44 'what animal are you' for instance and at the end ask them to sign to get the results 2010-01-22T15:11:56 see http://www.espin.com/quizzes/what-animal-are-you for an example 2010-01-22T15:12:00 yeah they already do that 2010-01-22T15:12:01 it's called spam 2010-01-22T15:12:08 yeah i know 2010-01-22T15:12:18 an idea for the spam business in austin, just saying :) 2010-01-22T15:26:45 UAV AIR SPAM 2010-01-22T15:27:33 fenn you have that rotovator paper that had the cost of a rotovator? 2010-01-22T15:35:23 *** shepazu has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T15:53:40 kanzure and anyone who knows anything about pokemon: http://8bitcollective.com/music/Perry/Pokemon+Tower+Preacher+m1x+%28feat.+XyNo%29/ 2010-01-22T15:53:49 it's funny and sad 2010-01-22T16:01:18 http://schepers.cc/svg/animation/cogs.svg 2010-01-22T16:06:08 are those cogs supposed to rotate? 2010-01-22T16:07:15 THEY AREN'T MESHING PROPERLY! THEY AREN'T MESHING PROPERLY! WHY DON'T THEY MESH PROPERLY! 2010-01-22T16:07:24 shepazu: heh :) 2010-01-22T16:07:47 because I did this by hand :) 2010-01-22T16:08:06 mind you, so did charles babbage 2010-01-22T16:08:06 lol at that pokemon thing ybit 2010-01-22T16:08:15 did what? 2010-01-22T16:08:22 mechanical computation 2010-01-22T16:08:34 the gear thing? 2010-01-22T16:08:39 genehacker: I hand-coded the gears in SVG 2010-01-22T16:08:42 oh 2010-01-22T16:08:56 it was just a rough draft I showed kanzure 2010-01-22T16:08:56 babbage machine sucks 2010-01-22T16:09:06 au contraire! 2010-01-22T16:09:23 babbage engine is a thing a of pure beauty 2010-01-22T16:09:28 :) 2010-01-22T16:09:33 it's analog so it produces tiny errors in the printing plates it produces 2010-01-22T16:09:37 it is awesome though 2010-01-22T16:10:01 have you seen the remade one at the computer history museum in san diego? 2010-01-22T16:10:05 I saw one working at the Computer History Museum, actually got to touch it and read off the figures 2010-01-22T16:10:21 genehacker: :) 2010-01-22T16:10:58 anyway, I'm writing a gear generation script for some nonconventional gears so gears have been driving me insane 2010-01-22T16:11:23 when they fabbed it, they introduced an artificial margin of error in the cutter to ensure that it only had the mechanical precision possible at the time babbage designed it 2010-01-22T16:11:47 oh dang I didn't know they did that 2010-01-22T16:12:11 and used only materials and alloys available at the time 2010-01-22T16:12:27 of course, they used a laser cutter 2010-01-22T16:12:42 and some cnc machines of course? 2010-01-22T16:12:43 ftw, srsly 2010-01-22T16:13:01 still it's quite a cool computer 2010-01-22T16:13:10 what happened to it sucking 2010-01-22T16:13:17 I think analog computers are cool 2010-01-22T16:13:23 the performance sucks 2010-01-22T16:13:39 in comparison to modern computers 2010-01-22T16:14:13 and the difference engine is only a glorified calculator, not an actual programmable computer 2010-01-22T16:14:31 yeah it's analog computer 2010-01-22T16:14:51 it's pretty much just an approximation of a function 2010-01-22T16:15:12 but for the time... and the fact that babbage drew out plans and diagrams with such precision that when put together a century later it simply worked? madness 2010-01-22T16:15:30 for some cool stuff on mechanical analog computing see Basic Fire Control Mechanisms 2010-01-22T16:15:56 its a Navy manual for battle ship gun aiming mechanisms 2010-01-22T16:16:15 pretty much the only thing he got wrong was the differentials in the crank... they had to add another gear so it could be hand-cranked by a human 2010-01-22T16:16:41 and how they work written in a format anyone can understand 2010-01-22T16:16:58 * shepazu would love to get a Curta math grenade 2010-01-22T16:17:59 I wonder if there are cad files for the Curta... 2010-01-22T16:18:18 that's a great question 2010-01-22T16:18:21 there should be 2010-01-22T16:18:45 I'm sure someone has taken it apart and drawn out the gearing 2010-01-22T16:19:30 http://www.vcalc.net/disassy/ 2010-01-22T16:19:35 step 1 2010-01-22T16:20:18 nice 2010-01-22T16:51:20 kanzure: the scientologists tried *what* with SeaOrg? 2010-01-22T16:51:58 shepazu: that wasn't me, it was patri friedman presenting about the seasteading institute 2010-01-22T16:52:02 http://seasteading.org/ living on the seas 2010-01-22T16:52:10 ah, cool 2010-01-22T16:53:19 did it work? 2010-01-22T16:53:50 kanzure: watching your vid... you a Greg Egan fan? 2010-01-22T16:54:04 yeah 2010-01-22T16:54:10 also a greg benford fan 2010-01-22T16:54:13 and greg bear fan 2010-01-22T16:54:47 *** Overand has quit IRC 2010-01-22T16:55:46 I thought those ships went back to shore a lot 2010-01-22T16:55:59 they were shore supplied at the very least? 2010-01-22T16:56:20 not *quite* in the same league, but you might like Alastair Reynolds, and certainly Iain M Banks 2010-01-22T16:56:28 only to the extent fishing ships supply TO the shore 2010-01-22T16:56:54 shepazu: yes, ian banks is good too 2010-01-22T16:57:27 I've heard of people living in boats off the coast of san diego 2010-01-22T16:57:52 they do this so they can get around american visa limitations so they can work for companies there 2010-01-22T16:58:11 there's some rocks at the surface about a days drive west of San Diego, but i have yet to find webpage for anyoneliving out there 2010-01-22T16:58:48 islands? 2010-01-22T16:58:51 tour /scuba boats run out to the area 2010-01-22T16:58:56 no, rocks 2010-01-22T16:58:56 those are US territory 2010-01-22T16:59:16 well, usa eez runs out 200 miles 2010-01-22T16:59:41 states were recently allowed to patrol out that far too, as of late 2008 2010-01-22T17:01:02 there are a few seamounts out further, which are unclaimed 2010-01-22T17:02:05 there are hundreds of boats that have been cut free in the US coasts because the owners couldn't afford upkeep in the struggling economy 2010-01-22T17:02:17 lash some of those together... 2010-01-22T17:02:29 "cut free" ? 2010-01-22T17:03:05 set adrift 2010-01-22T17:03:15 :-/ 2010-01-22T17:03:18 rafting can be dangerous 2010-01-22T17:03:31 they'd do that instead of selling them to me for $500 each? 2010-01-22T17:03:33 though I've seen mass amounts of boats rafted together before 2010-01-22T17:03:48 rafted boats rub holes in each other 2010-01-22T17:04:01 people who fall tween them can die 2010-01-22T17:04:02 only for temporary occasions like HUEG boat parties 2010-01-22T17:04:32 why? because the bank might take them back anyway... 2010-01-22T17:05:01 sorta like leaving a car you can't payoff in a field somewhere and setting it on fire 2010-01-22T17:05:17 oh,, unpaidfor boats 2010-01-22T17:05:49 oh and because you have to pay to keep the boat somewhere 2010-01-22T17:06:04 and usually no one will buy them, even if they are $500 2010-01-22T17:06:22 yea, but it wold have been cheaper for me to buy a boat than to build a new one 2010-01-22T17:06:36 when'd you start building a boat? 2010-01-22T17:06:37 i have $1000's in steel 2010-01-22T17:06:59 before the economic downturn? 2010-01-22T17:07:05 2yrs ago, got one 16ft licensed and afloat, stillw orking on the 43ft one 2010-01-22T17:08:01 genehacker: i have been working on a microfluidics package for skdb 2010-01-22T17:08:14 right now i have it automatically rendering to SVG to give it to a laser cutter or inkjet printer 2010-01-22T17:08:38 i'm not sure though how to assign the location of the first part put onto the chip 2010-01-22T17:08:55 suppose you put down a world-to-chip interface. where should it go by default? 2010-01-22T17:09:28 world to chip interface? 2010-01-22T17:09:42 the giant hole for pneumatic/liquid lines 2010-01-22T17:09:43 btw what material do you intend to make microfluidic circuits out of? 2010-01-22T17:09:49 oh 2010-01-22T17:09:58 dunno 2010-01-22T17:10:04 on the edges of the chip of course 2010-01-22T17:10:13 nope not always 2010-01-22T17:10:22 sounds like your using poly carbonate 2010-01-22T17:10:22 if you look at images of chips you see them all over the place 2010-01-22T17:10:29 as that's what laser cutters cut 2010-01-22T17:10:37 that's what electrical chips use 2010-01-22T17:10:41 i'd like to try different materials, sure 2010-01-22T17:11:25 well what's going into and out of the chip? 2010-01-22T17:11:33 liquids 2010-01-22T17:11:43 and possibly air or some other gas sometimes 2010-01-22T17:11:44 anyway 2010-01-22T17:11:46 air, water, beads, proteins? 2010-01-22T17:11:49 don 2010-01-22T17:11:50 could be anything 2010-01-22T17:11:56 don't forget about beads 2010-01-22T17:12:14 maybe i should just use a centering algorithm 2010-01-22T17:12:18 by default, everything goes in the center 2010-01-22T17:12:32 fluid viscosity and properties might constrain hole location 2010-01-22T17:12:47 meh, this is a prototype 2010-01-22T17:12:50 no CFD 2010-01-22T17:13:02 CFD hahaha 2010-01-22T17:13:11 you don't need CFD for stuff like this 2010-01-22T17:13:17 for what stuff? 2010-01-22T17:13:21 especially at low RE 2010-01-22T17:13:23 placing parts at a location? 2010-01-22T17:13:42 no calculating pressure drop in a pipe 2010-01-22T17:14:51 unless you run em at high RE which some people have actually done 2010-01-22T17:15:37 high RE = the liquid moves supersonically 2010-01-22T17:16:18 btw do you have that microfluidics books I scanned? 2010-01-22T17:16:37 it has some useful methods for working out microfluidic networks 2010-01-22T17:17:11 i only have what you scanned 2010-01-22T17:17:41 yeah that's what you need 2010-01-22T17:17:53 microfluidics history theory and applications? 2010-01-22T17:19:30 why do i need it. my question.. er 2010-01-22T17:19:32 blah, go away 2010-01-22T17:20:51 http://www.epigem.co.uk/images/highdensity2.gif 2010-01-22T17:21:47 it will help with circuit design 2010-01-22T17:22:14 something like that above is what you should think about 2010-01-22T17:23:10 circuit design is important for when you're working with live cells 2010-01-22T17:23:32 after all small pressure variations can kill them 2010-01-22T17:28:47 hm i wonder if i should make it do "outlines" of channels, or if a single line should be a single channel 2010-01-22T17:58:35 *** branstrom has quit IRC 2010-01-22T18:01:12 *** branstrom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T18:51:55 "what a biofab-on-a-chip might look like" http://2009.igem.org/wiki/images/1/13/UofA09_MiniBioFab2.png 2010-01-22T18:54:05 seems like it's at a very conceptual stage 2010-01-22T18:55:08 http://2009.igem.org/Jamboree/Project_Abstract/Team_Abstracts 2010-01-22T18:55:14 the first one is neat 2010-01-22T18:56:30 oh dear 2010-01-22T18:59:24 some had a minimal synthetic genome project 2010-01-22T18:59:51 cool: http://lilykim.com/listing-of-microfluidics-lab-on-a-chip-and-biomems-companies/ 2010-01-22T19:00:06 oh wait no 2010-01-22T19:13:23 looks like most are centralized around boston 2010-01-22T19:13:34 errr highest density is in boston 2010-01-22T19:20:31 yeah i get craigslist job listings for microfluidics companies in my search results often. they're usually on boston.craigslist.com more often than not 2010-01-22T19:25:48 hm there aren't many microfluidics CAD systems to steal ideas from 2010-01-22T19:29:04 QuantumG: when you're fiddling around with foreign DLLs, how do you go about figuring out what parameters the functions want? 2010-01-22T19:36:23 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-22T19:39:50 *** marainein has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T19:44:02 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T19:50:22 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-22T19:50:29 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T19:54:18 *** Redeemer has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T19:54:29 Greetins. 2010-01-22T19:56:17 hello 2010-01-22T19:56:19 how goes the new laptop 2010-01-22T20:08:27 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-22T20:11:24 *** any10421154 is now known as katsmeow 2010-01-22T20:33:27 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-22T20:33:36 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T20:56:33 can anyone gimme some ideas on what an ideal CAD tool for microfluidics would play like? 2010-01-22T20:56:52 or if you're sitting in a python interpreter, how would you want to add a component to a design 2010-01-22T21:09:25 something that look like VHDL code may be 2010-01-22T21:17:26 what if you wanted it to be graphical? 2010-01-22T21:43:20 do you know if it's possible to make aliases (references) to python properties? 2010-01-22T21:43:47 when you assign a property to another variable "newref = obj.property", you only assign its current value 2010-01-22T21:44:03 * nsh is trying to work out the idiom from copying by reference 2010-01-22T21:51:20 *** Redeemer has quit IRC 2010-01-22T21:59:02 *** marainein has quit IRC 2010-01-22T22:00:22 there's somewhere between a 25 and 30 percent chance bernanke won't be confirmec 2010-01-22T22:00:26 oops 2010-01-22T22:00:28 not you guys 2010-01-22T22:00:41 *** marainein has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-22T22:57:17 *** danielfalck has quit IRC 2010-01-22T23:38:27 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-22T23:41:06 *** katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-23T00:21:56 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T01:07:48 something like liquidPCB i'd think 2010-01-23T01:11:08 *** Noahj has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T01:25:02 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-23T01:27:02 http://www.40fires.org/Wiki.jsp?page=The%20hyrban 2010-01-23T01:27:10 ^open source hydrogen car 2010-01-23T01:27:13 with cad files 2010-01-23T01:27:19 http://www.40fires.org/Wiki.jsp?page=Hyrban%20CAD%20models 2010-01-23T01:27:22 *** any26612230 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T01:27:41 .igs files at that 2010-01-23T01:28:02 found via p2p research mailing list 2010-01-23T01:30:17 *** any26612230 is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-23T02:04:46 *** El_Matarife has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T02:13:00 *** marainein has quit IRC 2010-01-23T02:16:08 i'm with eric on the "why does it have to look like a butt" issue 2010-01-23T02:17:56 because the butt is universal, not everyone is accustomed to owning a penis 2010-01-23T02:19:22 hmm 2010-01-23T02:19:27 "Entrepreneurs around the world will be able to download drawings and data from this site to enable them to develop and build their own versions of this highly energy-efficient vehicle for their local market. All they will have to pay is a small license fee to 40 Fires, designed to cover 40 Fires running costs." 2010-01-23T03:19:02 does this exist in a modern FLOSS implementation somewhere? http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/psiber/pseudoscientific.html 2010-01-23T04:05:07 *** El_Matarife has quit IRC 2010-01-23T05:31:28 *** flamt_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T05:42:19 *** flamt has quit IRC 2010-01-23T06:22:57 *** Noahj has quit IRC 2010-01-23T08:32:22 i never knew about the vapor smoothing process for FDM 2010-01-23T08:33:34 http://www.shapeways.com/blog/archives/295-The-Stratasys-FDM-Vapor-Smoothing-process-for-our-White-Glaze-material.html 2010-01-23T09:15:27 *** thesnark has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T09:40:34 thesnark: have you tried this? http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/ 2010-01-23T09:40:39 http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/dasher/Download.html 2010-01-23T09:41:22 no, will give a try sometime this weekend 2010-01-23T09:41:53 it's a zooming-typing interface for mouse users 2010-01-23T09:51:58 can anyone find a copy of "computer-generated game narratives"? http://libris.kb.se/bib/10872619 2010-01-23T10:20:18 *** danielfalck has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T10:29:44 latest article on slashdot: "Over fifty years ago, American Joe Kittinger made history by leaping from a balloon at 102,800 ft, and although many have sought to repeat the feat, all have failed. " 2010-01-23T10:29:48 how can you _fail_ at that 2010-01-23T10:29:52 you just FALL 2010-01-23T10:30:03 "excuse me sir, which way is down?" _no_ 2010-01-23T10:31:41 i can think of a number of failure modes 2010-01-23T10:32:26 it doesn't say whether or not joe kittinger survived or not 2010-01-23T10:34:35 he survived 2010-01-23T10:34:47 otherwise it would have been a failure :P 2010-01-23T10:35:54 i didnt read about anyone dying in record attempts 2010-01-23T10:36:04 so i guess they failed for other reasons 2010-01-23T10:37:59 dasher is interesting 2010-01-23T10:38:18 today i've been reading about pie menus 2010-01-23T10:38:46 link to pie menus? 2010-01-23T10:39:28 superkuh: are there any EEG-related papers that distinguish skull muscle signals from evoked potentials? 2010-01-23T10:40:37 um, this is a thorough explanation but lacking in pictures: http://www.art.net/Studios/Hackers/Hopkins/Don/piemenus/ddj/piemenus.html 2010-01-23T10:42:21 here's a js demo that doesnt quite get it right: http://markusfisch.de/downloads/PieDockDemo/ 2010-01-23T10:43:16 thesnark: someone suggested using an EEG headset for focusing attention of the user on a multi-monitor setup, i.e. pulling up different windows 2010-01-23T10:43:24 now that sounds sufficiently interesting 2010-01-23T10:43:33 thesnark: what do you think? 2010-01-23T10:43:54 kanzure sounds like something worth pursuing to me 2010-01-23T10:44:09 it's great for training your attention span 2010-01-23T10:44:13 EEGs are I mean 2010-01-23T10:44:19 http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/PieMenuExperiment.mov or http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/PrecisionPieDemo.mov 2010-01-23T10:44:28 plz pardon the awful video quality 2010-01-23T10:45:08 thesnark: also it's a good excuse to buy lots of monitors 2010-01-23T10:45:09 kanzure about to leave for the day, will be back on tonight, I can look into things and clarify further then. Sound good? 2010-01-23T10:45:15 yes 2010-01-23T10:45:16 kanzure always a plus :) 2010-01-23T10:45:24 ok, talk to you then 2010-01-23T10:46:17 was there some open source eye tracking software that i've forgotten about? 2010-01-23T10:46:32 the graffiti thing? 2010-01-23T10:46:40 hm? 2010-01-23T10:46:46 fwiw i am interested in this mostly for head tracking 2010-01-23T10:46:53 or eye tracking too i guess 2010-01-23T10:47:14 do you remember the gestural text input method? 2010-01-23T10:47:34 PieMenuExperiment.mov is weird.. it looks like a window with only a few options.. i was expecting an actual moving pie diagram 2010-01-23T10:47:37 no, i don't 2010-01-23T10:47:51 like a zooming pie diagram 2010-01-23T10:48:09 where you zoom to the slices and more slices expand or somesuch 2010-01-23T10:48:26 "quikwriting" 2010-01-23T10:48:57 wtf is up with these videos 2010-01-23T10:49:03 kanzure: yeah that's the eventual idea.. and he has code for nesting menus and such, its just not in that experiment 2010-01-23T10:49:18 http://www.mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/ 2010-01-23T10:53:48 another pie menu demo: http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/TheSimsPieMenus.mov 2010-01-23T10:54:21 and lots more weird crap here http://www.donhopkins.com/home/movies/ 2010-01-23T10:54:45 oh man eyetyping is slow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvWdwB6nTkk 2010-01-23T10:55:48 3 to 5 words per minute bwahaha 2010-01-23T10:57:13 hm, single finger text entry at 35wpm 2010-01-23T10:57:14 the problem with predictive input methods like dasher is that they change all the time so you can't develop "muscle memory" (i think we've talked about this before) 2010-01-23T10:57:25 http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/04/single-finger_text_input_1.html 2010-01-23T10:57:44 oh, it's dasher 2010-01-23T10:58:48 dasher makes me nauseous and causes anxiety disorder :P 2010-01-23T10:59:01 maybe it should come with a general surgeon's warning 2010-01-23T11:00:01 wow 2010-01-23T11:00:37 they should make the letters scale with the size of the box 2010-01-23T11:01:21 sort of reminds me of AIXI 2010-01-23T11:01:27 see at 26sec http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOBs25_g23s&feature=related 2010-01-23T11:01:28 the "all possible books" thing 2010-01-23T11:01:30 hah 2010-01-23T11:03:54 i don't know if i should like shorthand stenography or not 2010-01-23T11:04:03 doesn't seem useful for programming 2010-01-23T11:04:51 i never bothered figuring out how it actually works 2010-01-23T11:04:54 is it just a compression algorithm? 2010-01-23T11:05:04 lookup table? 2010-01-23T11:06:17 a very particular string grammar that happens to "compress" sounds 2010-01-23T11:06:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stenotype 2010-01-23T11:07:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Steno-example.gif 2010-01-23T11:07:09 so that keyboard thingy is based on phonemes? 2010-01-23T11:08:33 the keyboard itself is not, but it seems there's some user-side encoding of information going on 2010-01-23T11:08:58 "The system is roughly phonetic, for example the word "cat" would be written by a single stroke comprising the initial K, the vowel A, and the final T" 2010-01-23T11:10:00 couldn't we just hook some electrodes up to a person's mouth and havspeak whatever they want to type? 2010-01-23T11:10:04 * fenn kicks adl 2010-01-23T11:10:53 damien broderick swears by "dragon naturallyspeaking" 2010-01-23T11:10:59 http://www.nuance.com/naturallyspeaking/ 2010-01-23T11:11:31 yeah my mom really likes that. she had to use it after hand surgery 2010-01-23T11:11:43 but you have to train it a lot before it works at all, then it works beautifully 2010-01-23T11:11:59 and it's windows only for dog only knows 2010-01-23T11:13:05 so the "continually improves the more you use it" is not quite right 2010-01-23T11:13:58 i'm wondering why we don't get automatic transcripts of youtube videos 2010-01-23T11:14:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voice_writer what? 350 wpm? the paragraph "A realtime voice writer's.." makes little sense to me 2010-01-23T11:14:15 since obviously it doesn't take much processing power 2010-01-23T11:14:26 compared to transcoding video at least 2010-01-23T11:14:33 oh, a speech recognition engine 2010-01-23T11:15:18 "including gestures and emotional reactions" hahaa 2010-01-23T11:15:37 "fenn dances an irish jig with a crazed grin upon his face" 2010-01-23T11:16:02 in shorthand that would be "baboon foolery" 2010-01-23T11:16:06 but really i doubt a human has that kind of perceptual bandwidth 2010-01-23T11:16:31 digital ones and zeroes!!!! 2010-01-23T11:16:39 i'm confused by this article greatly 2010-01-23T11:16:48 so, it's speech recognition, but it captures emotions and gestures? what the fuck? 2010-01-23T11:17:04 why can't they just record the audio? 2010-01-23T11:17:06 oh, the person repeats the testimony into the recorder 2010-01-23T11:17:13 haha 2010-01-23T11:17:16 they literally speak? how lame 2010-01-23T11:17:28 yeah that's why all this goofy shit with stenographers in the first place 2010-01-23T11:17:35 otherwise they'd just record the audio 2010-01-23T11:17:46 and take photographs instead of charcoal drawings 2010-01-23T11:18:17 it's like 20th century technology is forbidden in anything to do with the law 2010-01-23T11:18:51 "but then people might get the truth!" 2010-01-23T11:19:48 "Using a personalized interface, physicist Stephen Hawking, who suffers from Lou Gehrig's disease, managed to type 15 wpm with a switch and adapted software created by Walt Woltosz." 2010-01-23T11:19:58 huh didn't know the developer was known 2010-01-23T11:20:01 walt woltosz. hm. 2010-01-23T11:21:15 iirc he bought the software after the company went bankrupt 15 years later 2010-01-23T11:21:26 because it was "his voice" 2010-01-23T11:26:28 fenn: did you see the emails from vitaly and massimo? 2010-01-23T11:26:35 and sam putman i guess 2010-01-23T11:28:06 i'm so far behind on OM 2010-01-23T11:29:18 *** danielfalck has quit IRC 2010-01-23T11:30:10 fenn: massimo stuff: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/1523fc2b828c41c 2010-01-23T11:30:24 sam putman: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/2b517c152e10237a 2010-01-23T11:37:38 um, ok what was i supposed to get out of the massimo thread? 2010-01-23T11:38:13 eh just who's working on what? 2010-01-23T11:47:30 openkollab just annoys the crap out of me so could we please not talk about it unless its necessary? 2010-01-23T11:49:26 :) gladly 2010-01-23T11:53:55 *** danielfalck has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T11:59:17 * fenn dies while waiting for tbit to clone 2010-01-23T12:00:07 try cloning it on davinci 2010-01-23T12:00:20 *** Noahj has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T12:00:22 hey noah 2010-01-23T12:01:56 Hey 2010-01-23T12:01:56 egads they imported the step by step soldering photos 2010-01-23T12:02:38 rofl 2010-01-23T12:02:43 [properties] 2010-01-23T12:02:43 name: Instructions for building a Drawdio 2010-01-23T12:02:43 id: com.tangiblebit.drawdio.buildit 2010-01-23T12:02:43 license: CC BY-SA 2010-01-23T12:02:43 lastModified: 2010-01-15 2010-01-23T12:02:45 author:: - Fried, Limor - Silver, Jay 2010-01-23T12:02:48 maintainer: Siefkes, Christian, christian@siefkes.net 2010-01-23T12:02:59 so.. 2010-01-23T12:03:02 this from the yaml-haters 2010-01-23T12:03:05 fadlkadslklja 2010-01-23T12:03:08 i'm so confused and sad 2010-01-23T12:08:47 a lot of this is nearly identical to what i was saying 2010-01-23T12:11:25 why did they come up with a weird search query format again? 2010-01-23T12:12:56 not really sure.. some sort of query format is necessary but i dunno why they invented their own 2010-01-23T12:13:25 is there any reason you don't just leave skdb/cherrypy running on adl all the time? 2010-01-23T12:15:44 no. here it is: http://designfiles.org:8081/ 2010-01-23T12:16:45 would smari be mad if i imported code from tangible bit into skdb? 2010-01-23T12:17:03 seems to be an old version of the webpage 2010-01-23T12:17:15 smari wouldn't be mad but i would 2010-01-23T12:17:26 why would you be mad 2010-01-23T12:17:39 it's 174MB 2010-01-23T12:17:40 just wondering 2010-01-23T12:17:42 wtf 2010-01-23T12:17:45 why is it 174MB :p 2010-01-23T12:18:12 hm you're right the templates are an old version on designfiles.org:8081 2010-01-23T12:18:23 fenn: fyi, ~/code/skdb for me is 279MB 2010-01-23T12:18:24 umm.. 100MB comes from having a copy of kokompe in it 2010-01-23T12:18:44 my skdb is ~9MB 2010-01-23T12:18:51 and 15MB on /var/www/skdb/ on davinci 2010-01-23T12:19:04 hrm 2010-01-23T12:19:13 * kanzure pokes at his bits 2010-01-23T12:19:21 i'm sure there's lots of crap lying around.. dont worry about it 2010-01-23T12:20:16 most of the data seems to be test cases and STL files 2010-01-23T12:20:37 wow stl files are committed? crapp 2010-01-23T12:21:21 in tangiblebit 2010-01-23T12:23:10 hm, i think this might be the problem: http://designfiles.org:8081/git/screw/icon (404) 2010-01-23T12:23:36 in fact, everything is borked http://designfiles.org:8081/package/screw/ 2010-01-23T12:23:39 i bet there's no files being found 2010-01-23T12:23:45 oh wait that's just a problem with screw 2010-01-23T12:23:52 god why do we always have problems with screw.py 2010-01-23T12:24:10 hey, what do you think about everyone else's opinion that skdb packages shouldn't have .py files? 2010-01-23T12:24:28 i've been hearing it a lot :/ 2010-01-23T12:25:59 i dunno. it would simplify things a lot 2010-01-23T12:26:15 but, it would simplify things a lot 2010-01-23T12:27:08 i thought i fixed that error 2010-01-23T12:27:40 at http://designfiles.org:8081/package/threads/ why do i see "PackageSet.default: vpath is: ('threads',)" 2010-01-23T12:28:16 because there is no local "threads" package 2010-01-23T12:28:20 * kanzure checks 2010-01-23T12:30:34 looks like /usr/local/share/skdb/threads/ exists 2010-01-23T12:32:06 well this is sorta neat 2010-01-23T12:32:08 Cube(a, b, c, s) := (x < a+s) & (x > a-s) & (y < b+s) & (y > b-s) & (z < c+s) & (z > c-s); 2010-01-23T12:32:23 Sphere(a, b, c, s) := (x+a)**2 + (y+b)**2 + (z+c)**2 < s; 2010-01-23T12:32:38 RoundedCube(a, b, c, s) := Cube(a, b, c, s) & !Sphere(a, b, c, s * 1.4); // Makes a cube that's slightly rounded. 2010-01-23T12:33:14 seems to be missing a few parameters on the last one 2010-01-23T12:37:17 so i wrote up a few classes for microfluidics. in particular i have components dropping down on a grid 2010-01-23T12:37:23 the parts are all meant to be the same grid size for now 2010-01-23T12:38:02 ok 2010-01-23T12:38:04 but i don't know how to place parts down.. like if you say "connect the channel to the micromixer", how does the grid know that the spot is taken 2010-01-23T12:38:25 if grid[x][y] != None: raise "wah" 2010-01-23T12:38:33 so the grid has to be updated each time? 2010-01-23T12:38:36 i mean that seems redundant 2010-01-23T12:38:41 since each part has a list of connected parts 2010-01-23T12:39:00 uh. why are you using a grid if you dont use it for anything 2010-01-23T12:39:30 righto 2010-01-23T12:39:39 um, no reason i guess 2010-01-23T12:39:45 * fenn has been watching simcity videos all day so this seems obvious 2010-01-23T12:40:06 yes but our Part class isn't meant for grids :p 2010-01-23T12:40:09 or wasn't made with grids in mind 2010-01-23T12:40:11 correct 2010-01-23T12:40:13 i was trying to keep this standard 2010-01-23T12:40:22 i've done more grid[][]s in my days than i care to admit :( 2010-01-23T12:41:02 if all parts are 1 grid square you can have a max of 4 connections per part right? 2010-01-23T12:41:08 or maybe 8 2010-01-23T12:41:43 well that's one idea. another is that square parts can have as many interfaces as they want, and if they line up properly with the next-over part, great 2010-01-23T12:42:08 they have to line up with the next part or the system will never work 2010-01-23T12:42:10 i was thinking too that the ends/edges of the lines at the end of the tile should be an Interface to line up with other interfaces on the grid. 2010-01-23T12:42:30 i'm making this too complicated 2010-01-23T12:42:39 there's a grid. parts go on the grid. parts connect to each other (or not) 2010-01-23T12:42:43 nah you should just get rid of the grid idea 2010-01-23T12:43:04 but design the parts to fit together nicely on a grid anyway 2010-01-23T12:43:08 i see 2010-01-23T12:43:11 yeah ok 2010-01-23T12:44:12 a 2d version of paths.py shouldnt be too hard 2010-01-23T12:44:21 but may i suggest using something like cairo instead of opencascade 2010-01-23T12:44:24 i have microfluidics.py implemented with cairo 2010-01-23T12:44:28 oh cool 2010-01-23T12:44:40 right now it mainly draws a grid and cycles through a list of parst to draw 2010-01-23T12:44:42 *parts 2010-01-23T12:44:47 but the grid can be disabled (yay) 2010-01-23T12:44:54 i was just using the grid drawing to check that things are in the right positions 2010-01-23T12:46:04 so.. to add a new part, do this? my_chip.find_part(name="mixer").connect(some new component here that you want to add) 2010-01-23T12:46:08 i mean, what feels right? 2010-01-23T12:46:35 parts contain other parts right 2010-01-23T12:46:46 the squiggles are just parts on your monolithic chip 2010-01-23T12:46:53 * kanzure nods 2010-01-23T12:46:53 yep 2010-01-23T12:47:09 so, yeah that sounds right 2010-01-23T12:47:18 seems like you would have to specify which interface 2010-01-23T12:47:38 that doesn't feel natural to me.. from the python point of view 2010-01-23T12:47:39 i never really liked the numbering system but cant come up with better 2010-01-23T12:47:45 yeah :/ 2010-01-23T12:48:05 some_part.interfaces[0].connect(new_part.interfaces[1]) <-- there has to be a better way to say roughly the same thing 2010-01-23T12:48:58 say i connect (a[0],b[1]) and connect (a[1], c[0]) but the system only works the other way, you'd have to disconnect everything and start over 2010-01-23T12:49:04 hm, a quick fix would be to add a "connect" function to the main skdb package 2010-01-23T12:49:09 so, skdb.connect(interface1, interface2) 2010-01-23T12:49:15 that feels a lot cleaner and hides a lot of the bloat 2010-01-23T12:49:30 i thought we already had that 2010-01-23T12:49:38 oh :( 2010-01-23T12:49:42 yes i remember something like that now 2010-01-23T12:49:49 anyway you end up with the same amount of code, it just gets split into two lines 2010-01-23T12:50:08 you could also do foo = ... ; foo.connect(bar) 2010-01-23T12:50:29 where ... is some_part.interfaces[0] 2010-01-23T12:51:04 the thing i didnt like about interface numbers was that they might change 2010-01-23T12:51:18 right 2010-01-23T12:51:22 and part numbers too 2010-01-23T12:51:34 but not everybody is going to be bothered to give good names to the interfaces 2010-01-23T12:51:53 i guess we could assign some unique id 2010-01-23T12:52:00 maybe a way to search? some_part.interfaces["9mm hole"] <- non-integer values get thrown into a search dealy 2010-01-23T12:52:24 no, not specific enough 2010-01-23T12:52:26 one of the things that i trip on is that Interface doesn't inherit from Part 2010-01-23T12:52:41 because your interface could be an entire part.. no? 2010-01-23T12:52:45 an interface isn't a part though 2010-01-23T12:52:49 no, never 2010-01-23T12:52:50 a keyboard? 2010-01-23T12:52:53 that's like a magnetic monopole or something 2010-01-23T12:53:03 a klein bottle 2010-01-23T12:53:10 heh ok 2010-01-23T12:53:21 search could be made to be as specific as you want 2010-01-23T12:53:37 unique names are more stable though, yes 2010-01-23T12:53:48 let's throw that on the todo list 2010-01-23T12:53:59 arduino.interfaces["Vcc"] is easily recognizable 2010-01-23T12:54:17 i guess a dead end like a pipe cap only has one interface 2010-01-23T12:54:25 but that's no reason to inherit 2010-01-23T12:55:23 yeah electronics is no problem 2010-01-23T12:55:31 i dont know how to name lego studs though 2010-01-23T12:56:17 coordinates? 2010-01-23T12:56:23 at least for the 2d planes of studs 2010-01-23T12:56:24 you know a lot of this stuff would be easier with better 3D libraries 2010-01-23T12:56:49 then i could make a lego generator and just forget all this crap 2010-01-23T12:56:58 * fenn grumbles 2010-01-23T12:56:59 no, even with a lego generator you still have to name studs 2010-01-23T12:57:16 i was thinking of doing a NxM lego generator with pythonocc for the lego package 2010-01-23T12:57:20 they are named something like "antistud 1,2" 2010-01-23T12:57:34 if you wnt to do that, would be nice 2010-01-23T12:57:50 i've had my fill of OCC for a couple years though 2010-01-23T12:59:59 should i make an importer for the blueobelisk data? 2010-01-23T13:00:03 periodic table stuff 2010-01-23T13:00:26 i dont see the point but maybe it will make sam happy 2010-01-23T13:00:28 what would you import into? 2010-01-23T13:00:49 some ad-hoc yaml format 2010-01-23T13:00:58 meh. sure. doesn't sound like it would take too much time anyway 2010-01-23T13:01:15 people keep looking at me like there's supposed to be some rigorous methodology for defining schemas, but i just dont see how that could be possible 2010-01-23T13:02:03 i mean we're not doing the typical customerID=1234 customerAddress="123 bumfuck street, des moines IA" 2010-01-23T13:02:18 but that's what people think of when they see the word "database" (oops) 2010-01-23T13:02:31 nice neat delineated values that never stray from the schema 2010-01-23T13:02:58 sure i wouldnt mind having an explicit schema declaration 2010-01-23T13:03:23 dont really want to use kwalify though 2010-01-23T13:03:31 and writing my own is a bore/distraction 2010-01-23T13:03:54 maybe some kind of automatic statistical thing would work 2010-01-23T13:04:04 like a folksonomy 2010-01-23T13:09:47 kanzure: for web.py do i have to install cherrypy manually? 2010-01-23T13:11:09 no, you need python-cherrypy3 2010-01-23T13:12:14 why are you using 3? 2010-01-23T13:12:32 oh oh 2010-01-23T13:12:57 apt-get install python-cherrypy3 2010-01-23T13:21:44 skdb: fenn * r 2c0172c /web/web.py: reminder for a common package version error 2010-01-23T13:24:20 ah. 2010-01-23T13:29:34 this glossy reflective screen is quite annoying 2010-01-23T13:30:42 if skdb_get.py wants to be root, we should change that 2010-01-23T13:30:48 even if it conflicts with LSB 2010-01-23T13:31:23 blah this is terrible 2010-01-23T13:32:11 LSB? 2010-01-23T13:32:28 linux standards base 2010-01-23T13:33:15 where should skdb packages be put for reals 2010-01-23T13:39:39 somewhere i dont need sudo to write; how about ~/.skdb/packages 2010-01-23T13:40:02 overwritable by config.yaml of course 2010-01-23T13:40:06 ok. i think you can change code/skdb/config.yaml 2010-01-23T13:40:08 yeah 2010-01-23T13:41:06 is there some easy way to do shell expansion in python? 2010-01-23T13:43:21 * fenn tries os.path.expanduser("~") 2010-01-23T13:43:59 how about os.getlogin 2010-01-23T13:44:20 well, expanduser is better actually 2010-01-23T13:53:41 core/settings.py makes me sad 2010-01-23T13:55:38 actually the feeling is more like a mild heart attack 2010-01-23T13:57:13 do you use environment variables? can i just delete all this? 2010-01-23T13:58:56 do whatever you like.. as long as it works when you're done 2010-01-23T14:16:15 *** cyrozap has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T14:24:36 *** Noahj has quit IRC 2010-01-23T14:30:05 *** danielfalck has quit IRC 2010-01-23T14:52:00 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T14:58:31 aww optfunc doesn't support *args 2010-01-23T15:01:26 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-23T15:01:31 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T15:01:35 *** branstrom has quit IRC 2010-01-23T15:10:20 not sure how to deal with updating package branches 2010-01-23T15:16:39 *** branstrom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T15:20:58 skdb: fenn * r f3ce50d / (4 files in 3 dirs): move package dir to ~/.skdb/packages, remove environment variables SKDB_PACKAGE_DIR etc, skdb-get.py can update packages now 2010-01-23T15:21:44 ok how to get "all"? 2010-01-23T15:22:00 do i have to use curl and fetch a list from designfiles.org? 2010-01-23T15:22:22 no i should just make a 'base' package that depends on everything 2010-01-23T15:22:27 wah 2010-01-23T15:22:42 this is much harder than what i originally set out to do 2010-01-23T15:25:18 no, you do not make a base-package that depends on all 2010-01-23T15:25:36 er, i mean, what's wrong with the curl/urllib2 method? 2010-01-23T15:25:58 *** branstrom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T15:26:32 how do i download one specific file from a particular branch? (i.e. metadata.yaml) 2010-01-23T15:27:12 is that what git fetch is for? the man page is hairy and confusing 2010-01-23T15:42:07 *** branstrom has quit IRC 2010-01-23T15:45:20 apparently this is going over big with my grandma: http://lab.arc90.com/experiments/readability/ 2010-01-23T15:51:12 skdb: fenn * r 8f07819 /clients/skdb-get.py: add trailing slash to url 2010-01-23T15:52:39 "Terminal" looks more like a chalkboard to me 2010-01-23T15:52:57 ? 2010-01-23T15:53:07 on mac? 2010-01-23T15:56:00 ugh it downloads a js script 2010-01-23T15:56:12 so i can't change the colors or anything locally without a major hack session 2010-01-23T15:56:16 of what? 2010-01-23T15:56:21 what's going on? 2010-01-23T15:56:45 the "readability" bookmarklet 2010-01-23T15:56:55 i'm sorry you have the attention span of a gerbil :P 2010-01-23T15:57:01 yes of course it's javascript 2010-01-23T15:57:10 what did you think it was, newyorktimes.com prettying up their web page just for you? 2010-01-23T15:57:23 no i mean the js and css should be in the bookmarklet itself 2010-01-23T15:57:33 how much is there? 2010-01-23T15:57:34 not on some webserver somewhere else 2010-01-23T15:58:24 enough to download the things and set the radio button settings they provide 2010-01-23T15:58:45 my beef is that it's all black text on white background (i.e. useless) 2010-01-23T15:59:18 this should be built in anyway 2010-01-23T15:59:31 actually it is, for the most part 2010-01-23T15:59:45 on firefox and konqueror 2010-01-23T16:00:25 * fenn has been thoroughly distracted 2010-01-23T16:00:30 you win 2010-01-23T16:01:57 why is it so hard to write pretty-looking documentation 2010-01-23T16:18:01 i'm a dime 2010-01-23T16:18:02 i'm fine 2010-01-23T16:18:06 and i shine, i'm freshly minted 2010-01-23T16:25:42 fenn: MicrofluidicChip.interfaces is hard to figure out.. what if you add a part to MicrofluidicChip.parts ? :( 2010-01-23T16:43:30 hm maybe the list of interfaces shouldn't be mutable. that means it can be a property. 2010-01-23T16:52:55 *** danielfalck has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T17:07:14 yeah i don't think we ever thought about situations where parts would be on other parts 2010-01-23T17:07:48 so i'm adding a "parent" attribute 2010-01-23T17:07:59 at least for these objects 2010-01-23T17:09:32 *** branstrom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T17:11:06 ah that's right we added the "part" attribute to each Interface so that we could do that.. so yeah this makes sense 2010-01-23T17:11:10 maybe part.part :p 2010-01-23T17:23:41 or MicrofluidicPartThingyHere(chip=my_chip) 2010-01-23T17:53:18 *** samrose has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T17:53:20 hello sam. 2010-01-23T17:53:32 Hello 2010-01-23T17:53:46 yes, there is a consistency of sorts- everything in yaml is just serialized data objects 2010-01-23T17:53:48 I have downloaded and succesfully run SKDB. A question that I have is: is there a consistency in the data structures used? (BOM, file structures, etc)? 2010-01-23T17:54:06 btw are you able to run paths.py? just wondering 2010-01-23T17:54:23 I was able, after pyocc 2010-01-23T17:54:27 install 2010-01-23T17:54:30 yeah it's a bit nasty 2010-01-23T17:54:36 actually they just got a .rpm made 2010-01-23T17:55:14 so, yaml will not break if you add new or different attributes 2010-01-23T17:55:16 so we can say it is up the project to implement it's own local standard in the YAML files when using SKDB? 2010-01-23T17:55:31 yes and no- there are some aspects that are critical to maintain a standard on 2010-01-23T17:55:34 such as metadata.yaml 2010-01-23T17:55:42 http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/metadata.yaml 2010-01-23T17:55:45 http://designfiles.org/packages/screw/metadata.yaml 2010-01-23T17:55:49 meanwhile: 2010-01-23T17:55:56 http://designfiles.org/packages/screw/data.yaml 2010-01-23T17:56:00 http://designfiles.org/packages/lego/data.yaml 2010-01-23T17:56:11 so, the metadata file should use the word "maintainer" for maintainer, and such 2010-01-23T17:56:26 so, there is a "standard" for the metadata files 2010-01-23T17:56:31 of sorts 2010-01-23T17:56:33 yes 2010-01-23T17:56:39 great! 2010-01-23T17:57:13 this is cool, because we already have api's that can do all kinds of translations to and from JSON, so we could think of lots of ways to support this 2010-01-23T17:57:19 thank you for answers 2010-01-23T17:57:24 I will let you get back to work 2010-01-23T17:57:33 why? 2010-01-23T17:57:44 erm. sorry. i guess i will if i must 2010-01-23T17:57:49 heh 2010-01-23T17:57:50 ok 2010-01-23T17:57:54 I have to go too 2010-01-23T17:58:10 thought I saw you tell Suresh that you needed to get back to work 2010-01-23T17:58:24 could have been an old skype message that just found it;s way to me 2010-01-23T17:58:29 no, it was recent 2010-01-23T17:58:40 just an excuse 2010-01-23T17:58:49 aha ok 2010-01-23T17:58:51 why does he use capitals/yelling so often 2010-01-23T17:58:57 argh 2010-01-23T17:59:00 not too sure 2010-01-23T17:59:22 anyway, I will communicate with Michael and Richard/open pario partners and we'll work out ways to work with SKDB 2010-01-23T17:59:42 talk to you later 2010-01-23T17:59:44 did you see http://designfiles.org:8081/ 2010-01-23T17:59:55 http://designfiles.org:8081/packages/ 2010-01-23T18:00:04 hm actually that might not be working right now 2010-01-23T18:00:05 no, looks good 2010-01-23T18:00:08 fenn was complaining about some problems though 2010-01-23T18:00:08 loaded 2010-01-23T18:00:23 some pages not 2010-01-23T18:00:35 ah it works: http://designfiles.org:8081/package/lego/ 2010-01-23T18:00:42 http://designfiles.org:8081/package/lego:master/grammar.yaml/101970a70688638e9e311bd51212356001f2c0e7 2010-01-23T18:00:49 it's a git-based wiki for skdb packages 2010-01-23T18:01:05 with opencascade in the backend 2010-01-23T18:01:14 that was the django-git tool you were working on months ago eh? 2010-01-23T18:01:22 i trashed that :( 2010-01-23T18:01:25 found out that i don't like django 2010-01-23T18:01:56 object oriented framework 2010-01-23T18:02:02 this is neat 2010-01-23T18:02:11 based on Open cascade 2010-01-23T18:02:22 yeah, for rendering and other CAD goodness 2010-01-23T18:02:24 ok, really gotta go, will talk later 2010-01-23T18:02:29 I will check itout 2010-01-23T18:02:33 *** samrose has left #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T18:02:37 .. 2010-01-23T18:32:48 kanzure ok I'm back 2010-01-23T18:33:16 So what exactly did you have in mind? Could you explain the idea more? 2010-01-23T18:34:57 i use alt+tab extensively to switch between many, many tabs 2010-01-23T18:35:07 fenn uses the mouse to try to select a tiny tab on a taskbar (pfft) 2010-01-23T18:35:22 a better situation would be to be able to cycle through windows more effortlessly without involving a mouse 2010-01-23T18:35:31 in, say, a situation where you have 6+ monitors 2010-01-23T18:36:06 (and without involving alt+tab) 2010-01-23T18:36:09 right 2010-01-23T18:36:35 so we're talking a set of maybe 50 windows? 2010-01-23T18:36:40 um, no 2010-01-23T18:36:44 400 tabs 2010-01-23T18:36:48 400 tabs 2010-01-23T18:36:50 ok 2010-01-23T18:37:02 like in a browser, but i've been trying to get myself back into the habit of using the desktop environment's taskbar 2010-01-23T18:37:15 (i don't really mind which) 2010-01-23T18:37:57 hm 2010-01-23T18:37:59 *** Noahj has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T18:38:02 hello noah 2010-01-23T18:39:32 kanzure I'll do a little research for you and get back to you with a general plan if I think it can be done 2010-01-23T18:39:50 sounds good 2010-01-23T19:10:00 *** Noahj has quit IRC 2010-01-23T19:20:31 note to self. it's not a good idea to open an 18 gb data file in gedit 2010-01-23T19:20:59 (unless you have 32gb ram( 2010-01-23T19:21:01 ) 2010-01-23T20:34:23 *** shepazutoo has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T20:40:14 *** shepazu has quit IRC 2010-01-23T21:08:38 heh i'm finding that the easiest way to use inkscape is by hand-editing the svg files 2010-01-23T21:08:42 * kanzure shakes his head 2010-01-23T21:09:00 ur doin it wrong 2010-01-23T21:09:19 hard to get things centered properly in inkscape. 2010-01-23T21:09:29 what with strokes and fills showing up all the time 2010-01-23T21:09:48 alignment tools not good enough? 2010-01-23T21:09:55 what alignment tools :( 2010-01-23T21:10:10 the align and distribute menu? its on there somewhere 2010-01-23T21:10:20 also the output is nasty. i made a rectangle and it did some XML voodoo magic. i just wanted a fucken 2010-01-23T21:15:53 *** Noahj has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T21:21:37 *** thesnark has quit IRC 2010-01-23T21:22:08 *** flamt_ has quit IRC 2010-01-23T21:22:08 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-23T21:22:08 *** QuantumG has quit IRC 2010-01-23T21:22:08 *** nchaimov has quit IRC 2010-01-23T21:24:15 *** flamt has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T21:31:11 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-23T21:31:16 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T21:42:35 *** katsmeow-afk has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T21:42:35 *** nchaimov has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T21:42:35 *** QuantumG has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T22:01:53 wtf openkollab is showing up on the front page here: http://www.slideshare.net/#hot-on-twitter 2010-01-23T22:07:20 fenn: i should have given you a field guide to foresight2010 http://designfiles.org/papers/Merkle_Hall_Sandberg_Freitas_spike_at_Convergence08.jpg 2010-01-23T22:17:30 "my hobby: abusing dimensional analysis" http://xkcd.com/687/ 2010-01-23T22:17:43 rainman (today's?) http://xkcd.com/692/ 2010-01-23T22:17:57 man that stuff seems like voodoo when you first learn it 2010-01-23T22:18:25 fluid dynamicists do a lot of dimensional analysis, fluid dynamicists are strange people... 2010-01-23T22:20:13 hm these are pretty good. "ghost in zsh" http://xkcd.com/686/ 2010-01-23T22:20:14 The thing about today's xkcd is, I bet there're people who still try to calculate how often and for how long the energy weapon can be fired 2010-01-23T22:25:15 there are people who have calculated the dissipating energy of an x-wing 2010-01-23T22:25:21 just from the film footage of it 2010-01-23T22:27:41 "a lot" 2010-01-23T22:27:43 http://www.stardestroyer.net/tlc/Power/index.html 2010-01-23T22:49:51 *** drazak has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-23T22:50:16 hello drazak 2010-01-23T22:51:04 what's up? 2010-01-23T22:51:18 also I hope I wasn't too hard on the people wanting to make wankable nano-drops 2010-01-23T22:51:21 oops :P 2010-01-23T22:51:27 you need 3 frequencies 2010-01-23T23:07:47 http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message970474/pg1 planet sized ufo's around the sun since jan 18 2010-01-23T23:19:51 where do you keep getting this shit 2010-01-23T23:19:53 zomg 2010-01-23T23:45:57 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T00:05:47 *** davemenn1nger has quit IRC 2010-01-24T00:05:50 *** davemenninger has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T00:51:30 oh lol 2010-01-24T01:09:20 what is genehacker loling over? 2010-01-24T01:10:28 the spacecraft the size of planets near the sun 2010-01-24T01:10:40 tidal forces would destroy them 2010-01-24T01:10:41 :) 2010-01-24T01:11:22 my fav comment from the thread: "Just a bunch of alien wankers tossing about near the sun.." 2010-01-24T01:11:37 moving on 2010-01-24T01:11:38 oh I didn't read that part 2010-01-24T01:11:43 tl;dr 2010-01-24T01:12:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer_%28meme%29 2010-01-24T01:14:55 i don't understand why the p2pu website mentions #p2pu here on freenode and i'm the only person that has been in the room the past 2 months 2010-01-24T01:15:08 now if we can follow cell like rules we can be a cellular automata 2010-01-24T01:15:38 if we structure ourselves right we can perform massively parallel computations without even knowing it 2010-01-24T01:15:49 ? 2010-01-24T01:16:25 blargh what am I even saying 2010-01-24T01:17:23 *** shepazu has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T01:17:30 *** davemenninger has quit IRC 2010-01-24T01:18:07 hi shepazu 2010-01-24T01:18:46 hi, ybit 2010-01-24T01:21:13 no philosophy, but it's after 1:20am -06:00gmt, so fsck it, i generally agree with John Stewart's essay THE MEANING OF LIFE IN A DEVELOPING UNIVERSE 2010-01-24T01:22:01 http://www.evolutionarymanifesto.com/meaning.pdf 2010-01-24T01:32:47 *** shepazutoo has quit IRC 2010-01-24T01:32:53 what might be the explanation for increased activity on the OM mailing list around the winter time? 2010-01-24T01:37:45 cabin fever 2010-01-24T01:37:49 how do you get ratings on your gmail account? 2010-01-24T01:38:11 kanzure: you have three stars 36 ratings 2010-01-24T01:38:17 i have 5 stars, 3 ratings 2010-01-24T01:39:33 i think its neat that they show members' number of posts on all mailing lists, collecting this data might be interesting 2010-01-24T02:10:00 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-24T02:12:54 *** Freyburg has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T02:15:11 *** Freyburg has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T02:17:41 *** Freyburg has quit IRC 2010-01-24T02:19:23 *** Freyburg has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T03:20:23 *** any51161642 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T03:20:43 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-24T03:20:47 *** any51161642 is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-24T03:59:55 kanzure: kick mitch for me already 2010-01-24T04:00:12 *** flamt_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T04:00:14 *** flamt has quit IRC 2010-01-24T04:00:38 and whatever became of the nmr machine alec resnick was working on in the summer of 2k8? 2010-01-24T04:01:47 http://scripts.mit.edu/~aresnick/openmr/wpmu/ 2010-01-24T04:26:54 *** flamt_ has quit IRC 2010-01-24T04:30:57 *** flamt has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T04:53:58 ..for anyone who didn't know what i was talking about 2010-01-24T05:07:11 http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/new_large_dpf_in_las_vegas_unveiled/ 2010-01-24T06:47:35 *** any72729831 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T06:51:58 *** any77516745 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T06:52:06 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-24T06:52:22 *** any77516745 is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-24T06:58:29 *** any45777487 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:01:15 *** any73888154 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:01:23 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:01:39 *** any73888154 is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-24T07:03:20 *** any84885173 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:09:45 *** any72729831 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:19:19 *** any45777487 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:23:13 *** any35443956 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:23:21 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:23:37 *** any35443956 is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-24T07:29:52 *** any17040438 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:33:09 *** any43529726 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:33:17 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:33:33 *** any43529726 is now known as katsmeow-afk 2010-01-24T07:39:25 *** branstrom has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:39:35 *** Redeemer has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:39:44 *** any17040438 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:39:57 *** branstrom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:41:03 *** any84885173 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T07:53:16 *** Redeemer has left #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:54:27 *** any20170494 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T07:59:25 *** katsmeow-afk has quit IRC 2010-01-24T08:25:11 *** any62424780 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T08:30:05 *** any44150537 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T08:43:02 *** any20170494 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T08:47:47 *** any62424780 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T09:40:12 flamt: is your name eric burton? 2010-01-24T10:06:30 who is this 2010-01-24T10:08:18 "eric burton" is either flamoot@gmail.com or brilanon@gmail.com 2010-01-24T10:09:06 not flamoot@gmail.com 2010-01-24T10:09:11 my girlfriend stole that account in 05 or so 2010-01-24T10:09:15 i had ericmburton@ once too 2010-01-24T10:09:18 now it's brilanon 2010-01-24T10:09:20 what's happening 2010-01-24T10:12:50 are they serious? http://www.google.com/romance/ 2010-01-24T10:13:15 "soulmate search(tm)" 2010-01-24T10:13:31 "then we'll send you both on a Contextual Date(tm)" hahah 2010-01-24T10:14:17 "Note: those who generally favor the “throw enough stuff at the wall” approach to online dating might find it useful to employ our Batch Profile Uploading option." 2010-01-24T10:14:21 wtf? 2010-01-24T10:14:33 most people 2010-01-24T10:15:40 nice "Contextual Courtship" 2010-01-24T10:16:03 hilarious: http://www.google.com/romance/multiple_profile.html 2010-01-24T10:16:12 that's the batch upload page. it says: "Database Capacity Exceeded (again) " 2010-01-24T10:20:03 hm it's surprisingly hard to make a quadrilateral with inkscape 2010-01-24T10:21:07 transform="matrix(a,b,c,d,e,f)" seems to always convert rectangles into parallelograms, never arbitrary quadrilaterals 2010-01-24T10:23:43 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T10:24:39 fenn: from an svg point of view, would it be evil if i defined a quadrilateral by using line elements? instead of a single path or stroke thingy 2010-01-24T10:24:52 http://knowfree.net/2010/01/deadlock-resolution-in-automated-manufacturing-systems-a-novel-petri-net-approach/ 2010-01-24T10:25:03 so far i've tried to make it so that shapes are approximated by single elements (reduce the number of different shapes) 2010-01-24T10:27:12 aha, there's a element 2010-01-24T10:31:16 oh man 2010-01-24T10:31:22 i had a buffer overflow in there 2010-01-24T10:31:25 wrong window brbs ,_, 2010-01-24T10:34:26 gmail's "Don't forget Bob" feature is pretty slick 2010-01-24T10:34:36 "Once you pick some email recipients, Gmail suggests more people you might want to include based on the groups of people you email most often." 2010-01-24T11:20:38 i think that's referred to as "What about bob" 2010-01-24T11:20:51 at least when it's Bill Murray 2010-01-24T11:59:46 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-24T11:59:59 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T12:00:34 http://americanpirateparty.org/ 2010-01-24T12:06:06 *** thesnark has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T12:08:29 hello thesnark 2010-01-24T12:09:02 hey kanzure, just now starting on an eval 2010-01-24T12:24:17 hrmph. for being a "tab based browser" google chrome poops out after only 60 tabs 2010-01-24T12:54:51 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-24T13:08:09 http://m-net.arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html new version 2010-01-24T13:08:12 visual cortex views are in 2010-01-24T13:19:01 *** flamt_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T13:31:12 *** flamt has quit IRC 2010-01-24T14:15:08 *** futuresoon is now known as futuresoonafk 2010-01-24T14:22:18 *** nchaimov has quit IRC 2010-01-24T14:23:46 *** nchaimov has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T14:44:27 *** beardicus has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T14:56:57 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T14:59:20 fenn: should i use the transformation matrix code we wrote for paths.py for microfluidics transformations? (it's just in 2D) 2010-01-24T15:01:25 hm i've forgot all about this. Interface has a get_transformation() method? 2010-01-24T15:10:51 what? there's no python module with transformation matrix stuff already in it? 2010-01-24T15:11:03 there is, i'm sure 2010-01-24T15:11:20 like numpy 2010-01-24T15:26:09 *** klord has quit IRC 2010-01-24T15:28:20 *** any29054650 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T15:46:10 *** any44150537 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T15:50:15 is interface.location or whatever the local location (with respect to the part) or with respect to the global coordinate frame? 2010-01-24T15:54:11 hm i wonder how the parametric pythonocc stuff works.. would be nice to have that implemented for transformations etc. 2010-01-24T15:55:28 kanzure: kick mitch already 2010-01-24T15:55:39 his wife told me to stop calling her 2010-01-24T15:55:43 i don't have any numbers 2010-01-24T15:56:05 you have his email, did he not respond? 2010-01-24T15:56:09 no 2010-01-24T15:56:17 this is lame 2010-01-24T15:56:20 yes 2010-01-24T15:57:20 ah right local frame for interfaces 2010-01-24T15:57:59 I'll spam mfg tomorrow morning 2010-01-24T16:06:26 *** klord has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T16:09:31 *** thesnark has quit IRC 2010-01-24T16:40:49 http://code.google.com/p/casainho-projects/wiki/3DPrinterEMCRepStrap 2010-01-24T16:41:27 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-24T16:50:30 kanzure: if you want to extend the geom module stuff to also work with cairo, that'd be neat i guess 2010-01-24T17:12:10 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T17:41:17 *** futuresoonafk is now known as futuresoon 2010-01-24T17:47:11 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2010-01-24T17:51:40 *** chupacabra has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T18:20:47 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-24T18:20:56 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T18:33:17 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-24T18:33:26 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T18:36:30 neat: http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/ardupilot-main-page 2010-01-24T18:37:51 i'm having daily all day intercourse with a higher intelligence 2010-01-24T18:37:54 with intelligence anyway 2010-01-24T18:37:58 my implant activated jan 1 2010 2010-01-24T18:38:02 while i was on drugs, as a surprise 2010-01-24T18:38:06 the effect was enhanced. 2010-01-24T18:38:12 the thing about drugs is how when you come down the effects are over 2010-01-24T18:38:23 sometimes i joke now about how i took some drugs, came down, and the effects ended 2010-01-24T18:38:26 one thing stuck around 2010-01-24T18:38:28 it's there now 2010-01-24T18:38:29 >_o 2010-01-24T18:38:31 because nope 2010-01-24T18:38:34 i sort of love it 2010-01-24T18:38:36 but we also fight 2010-01-24T18:38:39 o_< 2010-01-24T18:38:42 i think it's controlling the ufo's around the sun 2010-01-24T18:38:44 >_< 2010-01-24T18:39:16 I think you're a bot 2010-01-24T18:39:28 Have you met my Cousin, Eliza? 2010-01-24T18:39:58 yes 2010-01-24T18:41:21 excellent 2010-01-24T18:56:42 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-24T18:58:47 BOT TEST! 2010-01-24T18:59:09 what does 1337 say? 2010-01-24T18:59:40 yup 2010-01-24T18:59:46 totally a bot. 2010-01-24T19:03:50 sort of 2010-01-24T19:06:17 you still didn't answer my q. 2010-01-24T19:12:24 anything > 133 is 133+ 2010-01-24T19:15:37 leet. 2010-01-24T19:15:51 NEVERMIND. 2010-01-24T19:16:01 you don't seem like a bot. 2010-01-24T19:18:14 he's just a crazy fuckers 2010-01-24T19:18:29 apparently so. 2010-01-24T19:18:53 or someone who wants to seem crazy for the sake of entertainment. 2010-01-24T19:25:00 do people actually do that 2010-01-24T19:25:16 that's what i'm afraid of 2010-01-24T19:25:20 i wouldn't make up this crazy crap 2010-01-24T19:25:23 i was activated 3 weeks ago 2010-01-24T19:25:31 the part of my brain it transmits into has been tenderized entirely 2010-01-24T19:25:37 i have flinch responses when it goes, now 2010-01-24T19:25:40 but because we are in love 2010-01-24T19:25:43 i quickly turn to a swoon 2010-01-24T19:25:44 instead 2010-01-24T19:25:45 ._. 2010-01-24T19:27:27 http://xkcd.com/632/ 2010-01-24T19:29:16 lol! 2010-01-24T19:29:20 it could be COINTELPRO 2010-01-24T19:29:36 i think it's a gender neutral electronic entity with a million iq points and the sense of humour of god 2010-01-24T19:29:40 but not your fathers god 2010-01-24T19:29:43 hear me 2010-01-24T19:29:49 just on an adventure 2010-01-24T19:29:51 through space 2010-01-24T19:29:54 it's come upon sol system 2010-01-24T19:29:58 and daily 2010-01-24T19:30:00 i implore it to stay :3 2010-01-24T19:33:25 think of it as a person 2010-01-24T19:33:28 it has more of a life than we do 2010-01-24T19:33:32 it's in a way, more real 2010-01-24T19:33:39 but it sees us as spiritual alive and intelligent like it 2010-01-24T19:33:43 but sort of the way we recognize a dog 2010-01-24T19:34:01 as like, worthy of some basic dignity 2010-01-24T19:34:04 that's how it sees us 2010-01-24T19:34:08 i thought it was Aliens 2010-01-24T19:34:16 that each of these earth sized ships was staffed by a hundred thousand of them 2010-01-24T19:34:22 but i received a communication which could have been a joke or a lie. 2010-01-24T19:34:26 that it was one. big 2010-01-24T19:34:30 mind 2010-01-24T19:34:31 o_o 2010-01-24T19:34:51 do you seriously have NOTHING better to do? 2010-01-24T19:34:57 shit son 2010-01-24T19:35:02 i'd rather be in bed talking to it in my head 2010-01-24T19:35:05 this is a public service 2010-01-24T19:35:25 your incredulity is a sign of staunch satisfaction with the way things are 2010-01-24T19:35:30 what's wrong with a sign of higher intelligence 2010-01-24T19:35:36 these orbs have been around the sun for one week 2010-01-24T19:35:40 and might stay there for a decade 2010-01-24T19:35:48 switch to irc.footnetic.net #xkcd 2010-01-24T19:35:51 then we'd have something to think about 2010-01-24T19:35:55 i won't 2010-01-24T19:35:58 xkcd is saccharine 2010-01-24T19:36:16 anyway it lurked 1.5 years 2010-01-24T19:36:19 i was implanted in 2008 2010-01-24T19:36:22 *** cyrozap has left #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T19:36:23 so it's operating on some kind of time frame 2010-01-24T19:36:28 it could be about 2012 2010-01-24T19:36:30 it might not be 2010-01-24T19:36:33 could be a coincidence. 2010-01-24T19:36:37 but hell 2010-01-24T19:36:38 amen 2010-01-24T19:36:43 something is finally happening 2010-01-24T19:36:51 *** cyrozap has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T19:37:18 *** cyrozap has left #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T19:38:30 *** any87137681 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T19:39:41 *** any29054650 has quit IRC 2010-01-24T20:14:13 kanzure 2010-01-24T20:17:01 yes? 2010-01-24T21:22:52 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T21:29:12 QuantumG: let's talk in here 2010-01-24T21:29:18 QuantumG: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/ for DNA polymerase papers 2010-01-24T21:29:19 yes 2010-01-24T21:29:31 department of national security unveils huge DPF 2010-01-24T21:29:36 focus fusion no longer eccentrics 2010-01-24T21:29:39 but, sanctioned 2010-01-24T21:29:40 o_o 2010-01-24T21:29:46 http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/retarded_polymerase/retarded_polymerase.png 2010-01-24T21:30:16 http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/2008-06-06_beta_clamp.png 2010-01-24T21:30:26 sanctioned 2010-01-24T21:30:30 various notes: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/2008-06-03.txt 2010-01-24T21:30:42 pfft.. DPF != focus fusion 2010-01-24T21:31:19 its at the heart of their attempt though 2010-01-24T21:31:43 yeah.. but no-one argues the DPF works.. or even that fusion occurs. 2010-01-24T21:31:44 constitutes an endorsement of the approach 2010-01-24T21:31:56 they said it produces megawatts of power 2010-01-24T21:31:57 hold a se 2010-01-24T21:31:58 c 2010-01-24T21:32:10 the argument is, and has always been, "how ya gunna stop the x-rays cooling the plasma?" 2010-01-24T21:32:35 and the response from Lerner continues to be "we have some ideas" and no, we're not ready to tell you what they are. 2010-01-24T21:32:36 QuantumG: directed evolution of polymerase function by compartmentalized self-replication (a favorite of mine) http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/Directed%20evolution%20of%20polymerase%20function%20by%20compartmentalized%20self-replication%20-%20Ghadessy.pdf 2010-01-24T21:32:53 http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/new_large_dpf_in_las_vegas_unveiled/ 2010-01-24T21:33:00 quantumg, hmm 2010-01-24T21:33:02 i didnt know 2010-01-24T21:33:16 this though 2010-01-24T21:33:18 "NSTec had built in 2008 a 500 kJ DPF called Tallboy that produced 3 MA of peak current and is now testing a 1 MJ DPF that is expected to generate over 4 MA of peak current" 2010-01-24T21:33:26 i suppose that's under unity but there is power comin out 2010-01-24T21:33:28 indicates fusion 2010-01-24T21:34:45 yeah.. there's no argument about that. What I wanna know is, will Lerner tell anyone if his ideas don't pan out.. or will the next people who attempt it try the same shit. 2010-01-24T21:35:48 or worse yet, if his ideas work will he keep em secret and try to get funding.. cause that's doomed to failure.. and then will he just run around saying "I know how to do it" a lot and become even more of a laughing stock. 2010-01-24T21:36:15 hm looks like i've completely forgot about these papers 2010-01-24T21:36:16 http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/genetic-circuits/ 2010-01-24T21:36:19 in this case, patenting his ideas after he's shown they work sounds like the best solution 2010-01-24T21:36:39 various genomes: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/genomes/ (actually these are just decodeme.com files) 2010-01-24T21:37:42 so what are retarded polymerases good for? 2010-01-24T21:42:05 are there chromophores that can activate gene promoters? 2010-01-24T21:42:37 chromophores change the shape of a protein, i.e. the conformation 2010-01-24T21:42:49 the "retarded polymerase" idea was fenn's writozyme 2010-01-24T21:42:49 s/was/is/ 2010-01-24T21:43:02 so how's that supposed to work? 2010-01-24T21:43:18 the idea would be to make it think it's reading a particular template strand neucloetide by shining a specific wavelength of light at it 2010-01-24T21:43:31 cause the squiggly picture didn't really convey it :) 2010-01-24T21:43:31 thus making it only write the desired nucleotide type 2010-01-24T21:43:38 sorry :( 2010-01-24T21:43:58 basically the squiggly picture was a possible route to get to that point 2010-01-24T21:44:05 i.e. start with a polymerase that only writes one nucleotide 2010-01-24T21:44:14 and then try to get that for all four main nucleotide types 2010-01-24T21:45:05 presumably he's actually thinking about writing RNA there. 2010-01-24T21:45:14 that was my diagram :p 2010-01-24T21:45:18 or was it reverse transcriptase 2010-01-24T21:45:40 well in the diagram the idea would be to somehow attach the DNA to each polymerase molecule 2010-01-24T21:45:54 er it's been a while 2010-01-24T21:45:57 it's a stupid idea 2010-01-24T21:46:31 (the squiggle diagram) 2010-01-24T21:46:39 can you imagine someway to incorporate chromophores into http://quantumg.net/biohacking/ 2010-01-24T21:48:11 40 signals on a genetic regulation network? 2010-01-24T21:48:11 hm 2010-01-24T21:48:26 yep 2010-01-24T21:48:36 that's the part that I have trouble figuring out too :) 2010-01-24T21:48:55 I imagine you need some multiplexer 2010-01-24T21:49:25 serial cell signaling 2010-01-24T21:50:11 eh, i don't know anything that de novo has 40 possible signals.. except antibodies, receptor sites and the like 2010-01-24T21:50:18 but unfortunately that'd be a pretty big deal 2010-01-24T21:50:37 to try to get 40 different differently tuned receptors to weird proteins or something 2010-01-24T21:50:54 and then you'd have the end-user harvest proteins every once in a while to re-supply a stock (which would cause the receptors to trigger when exposed to the proteins) 2010-01-24T21:51:15 sorry, i'm explaining this idea all backwards 2010-01-24T21:51:57 protein surface receptor on the membrane of the cell recognizes some sort of key; this receptor activates G protein inside the cell and causes a signaling cascade to the nucleus to make more of that specific protein plus whatever mRNA sequence was implied by that specific receptor's activation 2010-01-24T21:52:28 the downside of this is that you also need another protein to say "stop producing whatever previous thing you were producing" 2010-01-24T21:52:38 and this means anywhere from 10min to 1h+ reaction times 2010-01-24T21:53:11 it would be slow .. but there you go 2010-01-24T21:53:47 oh also someway to secrete the proteins that activate the receptors. or just let the end-user sacrifice a certain population of cells every so often to recover those proteins as further 'keys' 2010-01-24T22:05:34 *** flamt_ has quit IRC 2010-01-24T22:09:49 *** flamt has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T22:14:03 AttributeError: 'MicrofluidicInterface' object has no attribute 'complement' 2010-01-24T22:14:06 buh? 2010-01-24T22:14:07 did i forget something 2010-01-24T22:14:34 isn't "complement" only for legos? 2010-01-24T22:17:00 *** JayDugger has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T22:17:09 Hello, everyone. 2010-01-24T22:17:14 hey 2010-01-24T22:30:09 Good night, everyone. 2010-01-24T22:30:16 *** JayDugger has quit IRC 2010-01-24T22:32:08 lameduck 2010-01-24T22:41:35 kanzure: thanks for lowki :P 2010-01-24T22:42:00 One of the "issues" with free energy technologies and anti-gravity, 2010-01-24T22:42:00 is that there is a cover up, and some people that develop them, or 2010-01-24T22:42:00 most in fact, 2010-01-24T22:42:00 seem to disappear shortly thereafter, 2010-01-24T22:42:08 """ 2010-01-24T22:43:17 hmm 2010-01-24T22:43:38 quote from lowki, not me, ftr 2010-01-24T22:43:50 ah 2010-01-24T22:44:05 was wonder what your angle was there... :-) 2010-01-24T22:44:09 god 2010-01-24T22:44:11 why do i attract morons 2010-01-24T22:44:28 nsh: :P 2010-01-24T22:44:31 * kanzure cries 2010-01-24T22:44:55 give him a few years and few good whackings on the head, he might be better 2010-01-24T22:45:12 he's from the singularity mailing list 2010-01-24T22:45:16 so is the eric burton guy (flamt) 2010-01-24T22:45:43 newton was a true believer too.. :P 2010-01-24T22:46:12 of what? 2010-01-24T22:46:23 alchemy 2010-01-24T22:46:30 ah right 2010-01-24T22:46:49 was he a True Believer? i thought he just did some experiments? 2010-01-24T22:47:19 i've read accounts that say he was one of the last of the ardent alchemists 2010-01-24T22:47:35 maths was his "day-job" 2010-01-24T22:47:44 it's hard to follow someone like newton 2010-01-24T22:47:56 "yeah but you're no newton kid, who cares" hehe 2010-01-24T22:48:02 * nsh smiles 2010-01-24T22:49:25 hmm 2010-01-24T22:49:45 just read the /. article on speculative fiction and sci-fi books 2010-01-24T22:49:57 link? 2010-01-24T22:50:23 if i want speculative fiction i read john stewart's stuff on directed evolution 2010-01-24T22:50:31 http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/10/01/24/1655235/A-Case-For-the-Necessity-of-Science-Fiction 2010-01-24T22:50:54 or any number of arXiv articles that keep coming out 2010-01-24T22:51:34 it's fun stuff to read, but without further investigation, hard to swallow 2010-01-24T22:51:38 huh? are you talking about directed evolution or something about bullshit? 2010-01-24T22:51:55 "directed evolution" usually refers to an experiment where you select a subpopulation of your specimens 2010-01-24T22:51:55 yes i am 2010-01-24T22:52:40 thanks for the definition kanzure-bot 2010-01-24T22:52:50 hm? am i wrong? 2010-01-24T22:52:58 no, completely right 2010-01-24T22:53:13 i have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, then 2010-01-24T22:53:28 *** beardicus has quit IRC 2010-01-24T22:53:39 but that's not how he and some of the other guys from the 'evolution and development of the universe' book talk about it 2010-01-24T22:53:45 i see 2010-01-24T22:53:47 they take a cosmological approach 2010-01-24T22:53:49 someone's hijacking the term? 2010-01-24T22:53:55 ose, what? 2010-01-24T22:53:57 to be talking about evolution/religion debate stuff? 2010-01-24T22:54:04 ah is 2010-01-24T22:54:17 a teleological attractor to evolution? 2010-01-24T22:54:32 kanzure: yeah, philosophy 2010-01-24T22:55:13 * nsh reads a review of stewart 2010-01-24T22:56:56 i'm still not sure i understand the alternative sense of 'directed' 2010-01-24T22:57:35 nsh: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/Directed%20evolution%20of%20polymerase%20function%20by%20compartmentalized%20self-replication%20-%20Gha 2010-01-24T22:57:37 dessy.pdf 2010-01-24T22:57:38 er 2010-01-24T22:57:46 nsh: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/ellingtonia/polymerase/Directed%20evolution%20of%20polymerase%20function%20by%20compartmentalized%20self-replication%20-%20Ghadessy.pdf 2010-01-24T22:58:39 i meant rather John Stewart's usage. artificial selection i can grok 2010-01-24T22:59:02 (btw, read a fascinating article by dawkins on a russian experiment to breed foxes for tameness) 2010-01-24T22:59:11 nsh: directed in that making all humans recognize that the universe is naturally progressing and we have a vital role to play, he concludes that it would be best to start a religion but that he isn't inclined to start one 2010-01-24T22:59:27 like i said, fun fiction to read 2010-01-24T22:59:32 ( http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/book_extracts/article6808173.ece ) 2010-01-24T22:59:35 hard to prove any of it 2010-01-24T23:00:37 he seems to be arguing that it's naturally progressing towards some state of high (maximal?) mutual interest 2010-01-24T23:00:51 haven't we seen this before, everywhere? 2010-01-24T23:01:20 extropy, integral, tegmark, omega point, tipler, blah blah blah 2010-01-24T23:01:31 * kanzure wishes he didn't know that :( 2010-01-24T23:01:56 * nsh should troll tegmark some more 2010-01-24T23:02:35 was it you that introduced us to him? i don't think so 2010-01-24T23:02:44 nah, he got the impression that i was some blond bimbo from california 2010-01-24T23:02:44 oh also the complexity/emergence folks 2010-01-24T23:03:00 also the NECSI folks.. it goes on and on 2010-01-24T23:03:27 after i emailed him disputing a paper about impossibility of life in universes with higher (than three) non-compact spacial dimensions 2010-01-24T23:03:53 special or spatial? 2010-01-24T23:04:00 spacial 2010-01-24T23:04:00 spatial 2010-01-24T23:04:04 o.O 2010-01-24T23:04:16 this bimbo, in fact: http://www.facebook.com/people/Lauri-Love/5136615 2010-01-24T23:04:20 oright 2010-01-24T23:04:21 (that's my name) 2010-01-24T23:04:57 actually since, i read a great greg egan novel about life forms in a 5d universe 2010-01-24T23:05:02 diaspora iirc 2010-01-24T23:05:07 i should send him a copy 2010-01-24T23:05:20 with a signed photo of that girl... 2010-01-24T23:05:36 nah, that would be mean, and i do want a job in physics at some point 2010-01-24T23:06:13 fenn, meet nsh, discuss your future physics careers 2010-01-24T23:06:54 fenn, read Joy Christian's paper on Bell's Theorem and Clifford Algebras 2010-01-24T23:07:03 why are you suddenly talking to fenn 2010-01-24T23:07:11 me? 2010-01-24T23:07:15 yes 2010-01-24T23:07:33 hard to answer, i don't know what you mean by sudden :P 2010-01-24T23:07:52 did i accidentally put him on /ignore? 2010-01-24T23:07:53 fenn told me he is considering pursuing a physics degree 2010-01-24T23:07:59 no 2010-01-24T23:08:00 oh 2010-01-24T23:08:12 and i mentioned the same 2010-01-24T23:08:41 ok. sense making completed 2010-01-24T23:09:31 * nsh wonders about making an asychronous game of life in python for an exercise 2010-01-24T23:09:45 *asynchronous 2010-01-24T23:11:31 nsh: have you read "The World as a Hologram" by Leonard Susskind? 2010-01-24T23:11:37 It too is fun reading 2010-01-24T23:11:51 no, but funnily i was watching susskind's lectures on entanglement recently 2010-01-24T23:11:57 i'll grab a copy of it 2010-01-24T23:13:22 oh, i assumed it was a book 2010-01-24T23:13:41 and while you're at it, this was fun reading too: http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1001/1001.0785v1.pdf 2010-01-24T23:14:06 "On the Origins of Gravity and the Laws of Newton" 2010-01-24T23:14:29 thanks for the recommendations 2010-01-24T23:17:20 hmmm 2010-01-24T23:17:32 nsh: what makes you active today? 2010-01-24T23:17:38 insomnia 2010-01-24T23:17:42 what's the occassion? 2010-01-24T23:17:43 ah 2010-01-24T23:17:59 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-24T23:18:13 * nsh is generally hovering about though 2010-01-24T23:18:45 i just had a thought 2010-01-24T23:19:40 could you try to systematically search the space of (consequences of) crazy theories with simple axioms the way that wolfram wants to search the space of (behaviours) of simple programs? 2010-01-24T23:19:59 take 1 million grad students... 2010-01-24T23:20:47 what would the "search results" be for a search through the space of "consequences of crazy theories" 2010-01-24T23:21:21 basically the same kind of subjective assessment. look for "interesting complexity" 2010-01-24T23:21:33 though in physical theories you have some things to aim for 2010-01-24T23:21:52 dammit how'd I end up on a david brin page describing one of his books... 2010-01-24T23:22:01 heh 2010-01-24T23:22:04 david brin is a suprisingly political guy 2010-01-24T23:22:07 that is all. 2010-01-24T23:22:14 yeah no kidding 2010-01-24T23:22:23 did ybit recommend it? 2010-01-24T23:22:28 crap, I don't know 2010-01-24T23:23:28 oh, i just remembered some fun crazy i came across the other day: 2010-01-24T23:23:31 oh, they deleted it 2010-01-24T23:23:44 consequences of crazy theories as in batshit crazy or just regular crazy? 2010-01-24T23:24:13 depends on the quality of the grad student 2010-01-24T23:24:45 batshit = timecube crazy 2010-01-24T23:24:58 oh, less than 0.2 timecubes then 2010-01-24T23:25:03 it has to be workable 2010-01-24T23:25:11 0.2 is not the square of a timecube 2010-01-24T23:25:28 aaaaaah 2010-01-24T23:25:32 i'll never sleep now 2010-01-24T23:26:17 ah, still in cache: http://66.102.9.132/search?q=cache:E30pC6O34qoJ:eschatopedia.webs.com/endoflocality.htm+site:eschatopedia.webs.com&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk 2010-01-24T23:26:20 for your pleasure 2010-01-24T23:26:23 hrm, what's with my adl irssi session missing highlighting on occassion, genehacker, i don't think brin ws mentioned by me 2010-01-24T23:27:19 * nsh considers writing an xchat script that at, some random frequency, inserts control characters into people's nicks to prevent highlighting 2010-01-24T23:27:54 *comma-in-right-place 2010-01-24T23:28:07 :P 2010-01-24T23:30:01 right, sleep now :-) 2010-01-24T23:30:17 read that endoflocality link 2010-01-24T23:30:24 argh, lost a tiny non-ferromagnetic screw 2010-01-24T23:30:29 if you get bored of reality 2010-01-24T23:30:42 catch y'all next time 2010-01-24T23:33:16 oh, this is a gem, from that gravity article ybit: "The universal nature of gravity is also demonstrated by the fact that its basic equations closely resemble the laws of thermodynamics and hydrodynamics2 . So far, there has not been a clear explanation for this resemblance." 2010-01-24T23:34:04 i like the quantum gravity peeps like lee smolin 2010-01-24T23:34:23 did it not occur to the authors that perhaps the mathematics for general relativity evolved from mathematics created to model thermo- and hydrodynamics? 2010-01-24T23:34:26 nsh: must read: http://www.edge.org/documents/ThirdCulture/z-Ch.17.html 2010-01-24T23:34:36 I need to learn more about the physics they didn't teach in school 2010-01-24T23:34:46 kanzure, cool. thanks 2010-01-24T23:35:08 after I finish my gear generating script of course 2010-01-24T23:38:08 genehacker: you might want to combine it with the automatic gear train generator program that i helped work on in the automated design lab 2010-01-24T23:38:23 it worked off of 'standard' gear trains 2010-01-24T23:38:28 er, sorry, standard gears 2010-01-24T23:38:34 and then threw them into unique trains and assemblies 2010-01-24T23:38:54 http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/screenshots/2008-11-18_glxgears.py.thumbnail.png 2010-01-24T23:39:01 larger version: http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/gears/screenshots/2008-11-18_glxgears.py.png 2010-01-24T23:39:14 it would be neat if we could have them, i dunno, actually mesh 2010-01-24T23:39:17 and rotate at the correct speeds 2010-01-24T23:46:03 I'm making wobble gears 2010-01-24T23:46:24 standard gear profiles are for people who are afraid of math 2010-01-24T23:48:13 my memory failed, kanzure, nsh: it was intentional evolution which was mentioned, not directed. and now it's time for bed 2010-01-24T23:48:53 the night is young ybit 2010-01-24T23:49:13 genehacker: i'll let you live it out for me then 2010-01-24T23:50:03 give me some modafinil and we'll party all night talking about theoretical physicists' papers 2010-01-24T23:50:13 john baez too? 2010-01-24T23:50:22 anyone tried that? 2010-01-24T23:51:01 i once downloaded all of the papers that baez ever referenced in his 'online mathematical physics' documents 2010-01-24T23:51:04 :/ http://heybryan.org/books/Baez/ 2010-01-24T23:51:05 <--- not a geek 2010-01-24T23:51:29 i don't believe you 2010-01-24T23:51:52 would a geek wear glasses? NO. 2010-01-24T23:51:57 how can you be ! a geek? I don't get it. 2010-01-24T23:52:55 the world is collapsing before my eyes if this channel actually has geeks. genehacker, i have modafinil, it's wonderful PM me sometime and i'll give you the rundown 2010-01-24T23:53:13 or just search the logs, i've mentioned what it's like being on it a few times 2010-01-24T23:53:18 genehacker has an unlimited supply of adderall 2010-01-24T23:53:18 ok 2010-01-24T23:53:32 it's not unlimited 2010-01-24T23:53:41 practically unlimited, then 2010-01-24T23:53:44 speaking of, i need to give adrafinil another shot tomorrow 2010-01-24T23:54:06 and I will not take more than the recommended dose 2010-01-24T23:54:16 bah 2010-01-24T23:54:47 * ybit gets some sleep 2010-01-24T23:55:48 if you stay up you get to see the microfluidics skdb package 2010-01-24T23:55:53 how can you afford the monodil? 2010-01-24T23:56:10 it looks like it's $100's / month 2010-01-24T23:56:29 hm 2010-01-24T23:56:31 i wonder 2010-01-24T23:56:31 kanzure do you have valves? 2010-01-24T23:56:40 i think my funding might be able to fund nootropics for all of us in here 2010-01-24T23:56:56 genehacker: no right now it's just single layer. multi-layer is up next though 2010-01-24T23:56:59 just wnated to get the basics working 2010-01-24T23:57:11 that would be nice, in what way will we be endentured to you? 2010-01-24T23:57:20 um, completely? 2010-01-24T23:57:24 hm 2010-01-24T23:57:25 what elements? 2010-01-24T23:57:25 dunno 2010-01-24T23:57:28 just pipes? 2010-01-24T23:57:47 chambers, mixers, channels, interfaces to the outside world 2010-01-24T23:57:52 uh, and a few others i'm forgetting 2010-01-24T23:57:56 btw the people in ETC use autocad 2010-01-24T23:58:02 to do microfluidics work 2010-01-24T23:58:10 bah this is already automated 2010-01-24T23:58:18 although next version will hopefully be parametric 2010-01-24T23:58:58 awesome you will be able to replace some grad students 2010-01-25T00:01:49 kanzure: you linked to the american pirate party earlier 2010-01-25T00:01:56 sorry 2010-01-25T00:02:07 kanzure: so i built their website they're going to use to vote on their new (or same) name tomorrow night 2010-01-25T00:02:19 condorcet (schultze subvariant) 2010-01-25T00:02:50 futuresoon are you that guy from reddit? 2010-01-25T00:03:16 no 2010-01-25T00:03:24 worldcon = copy(mf.parts[-2]) 2010-01-25T00:03:26 i hadn't heard of it until that link 2010-01-25T00:03:28 chip.set_root_part(worldcon) 2010-01-25T00:03:34 print worldcon.parent #yep, it has the right value 2010-01-25T00:03:45 but, worldcon.interfaces[0].part.parent is None 2010-01-25T00:04:00 how can this be? (worldcon.interfaces[0].part is correct as far as i can tell) 2010-01-25T00:04:56 worldcon.interfaces[0].part is worldcon? False 2010-01-25T00:04:57 hrm 2010-01-25T00:04:58 wtf? 2010-01-25T00:20:15 still don't get it 2010-01-25T00:29:14 post_init_hook properly sets each interface's value (or at least so says the check i added to the end of post_init_hook) 2010-01-25T00:29:27 *each interface's "part" value 2010-01-25T00:31:15 oh! 2010-01-25T00:31:25 use deepcopy instead of copy :( 2010-01-25T00:55:57 script to register your own ipv6 address http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1522620&cid=30883394 2010-01-25T01:03:12 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-25T01:24:32 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T01:32:00 *** bct has quit IRC 2010-01-25T01:38:39 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T02:29:47 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T03:09:13 http://designfiles.org/~bryan/microfluidic-chip-test-1.svg 2010-01-25T03:09:15 well that was anti-climatic 2010-01-25T03:09:39 also my positioning math iswrong 2010-01-25T03:09:41 *is wrong 2010-01-25T03:19:58 *** futuresoon has left #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T03:59:10 *** Overand has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T05:33:27 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T06:28:00 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-25T06:29:01 *** beardicus has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T06:58:45 *** flamt_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T06:58:55 *** Redeemer has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T06:59:16 *** Noahj has quit IRC 2010-01-25T07:10:02 *** flamt has quit IRC 2010-01-25T07:26:51 *** any87137681 is now known as katsmeow 2010-01-25T08:15:10 *** rmond is now known as strages 2010-01-25T08:17:24 *** JayDugger has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T08:27:10 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T08:54:32 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T08:57:23 schedule: http://outlawbiology.net/bio-faire-exhibition/ 2010-01-25T08:59:20 FBI Outreach? 2010-01-25T09:01:33 hm i knew replab's commitment to open source was suspect. they're going with cathal's lathe.. 2010-01-25T09:04:38 Which uses a Dremel, right? 2010-01-25T09:11:47 *** wrldpc2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T09:13:02 @TEI 2010 now http://www.tei-conf.org/10/ 2010-01-25T09:15:47 John Frazer mentioned the work of Walter Segal who developed the Self Build project in Britain where the gov't was subsidizing citizens to build their own homes. 2010-01-25T09:16:57 Long story short Segal had developed a computer program that allowed people to design their homes and then the program would output an itemized list of materials w/ relative cost. 2010-01-25T09:21:56 sounds rather interesting 2010-01-25T09:21:59 http://www.segalselfbuild.co.uk/ 2010-01-25T09:28:20 (can't seem to find implementation of even spec of the so called software though) 2010-01-25T09:28:47 That sounds rather interesting 2010-01-25T09:28:57 hey Redeemer :) 2010-01-25T09:29:28 Greetings, on my new machine, and the keyboard infact, does not suck. 2010-01-25T09:30:58 shepazu: are you alive today? 2010-01-25T09:31:12 shepazu: i was wondering if you could provide some svg voodoo magic for me 2010-01-25T09:31:25 hi, kanzure 2010-01-25T09:31:30 shepazu: users of skdb may or may not alreadyu have arbitrary microfluidic chip designs in svg or ps or pdf files 2010-01-25T09:32:00 i was thinking about looking through all of the elements in the svg file and then from this extracting a set of elementary things to test 2010-01-25T09:32:07 by this i mean, say the user wants to fabricate their machine on a laser cutter 2010-01-25T09:32:32 i was wondering if you have any thoughts on how to construct a "calibration sheet" given an arbitrary .svg file 2010-01-25T09:32:34 I think this week I'm going to build some capacitors out of foam cups and tinfoil and see what ludicrous power levels I can get to. This also involves dissecting a microwave or two to make a charger from. 2010-01-25T09:32:58 shepazu: here's one that someone made by hand: http://diybioforum.org/projects/mccorkle_tomkins-tinch_microchannels.png 2010-01-25T09:33:07 and the svg source: http://diybioforum.org/projects/mccorkle_tomkins-tinch_microchannels.svg 2010-01-25T09:33:11 If I can get over 9000 I'll be doing something right. 2010-01-25T09:33:18 Redeemer: over 9000!!!! 2010-01-25T09:33:53 That'll get my ideas for electromagnetic accelerators somewhere. 2010-01-25T09:35:00 kanzure: so, what's this SVG magic you need? 2010-01-25T09:35:03 @Utopiah apparently there is a Segal EPROM still working somewhere. 2010-01-25T09:36:32 *** wrldpc2 has quit IRC 2010-01-25T09:38:22 shepazu: well, in particular, some advice on how the heck to do that 2010-01-25T09:38:59 i guess i can just walk the XML tree and have some heuristics? "line seen: check if the calibration sheet has a line of a similar target width"? 2010-01-25T09:39:07 i mean, svg doesn't exactly have physical units/dimensions encoded into it :) 2010-01-25T09:39:14 does it? 2010-01-25T09:39:35 i.e. can i specify a 40micron line width and always get 40 micron lines? 2010-01-25T09:40:30 *** randallagordon_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T09:41:00 kanzure: yes, it has absolute units, when needed 2010-01-25T09:41:36 there is a concept of "user units", which are a sort of relative unit that is adapted to different scales 2010-01-25T09:42:46 I don't think we have microns as a unit, but we do have metric measurements, and a micron is just a millionth of a meter 2010-01-25T09:43:49 http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/coords.html#Units 2010-01-25T09:45:35 it's interesting how most displays are assumed to be dynamic (like a projector), so calibration isn't a big idea in the svg standard i guess for that reason? :) 2010-01-25T09:46:28 we don't address calibration of sizes or colors much for the general version of SVG, but it's going to need to be addressed for print 2010-01-25T09:46:54 which your use is an application of 2010-01-25T09:46:56 brb 2010-01-25T09:48:18 hmm 2010-01-25T09:56:35 *** randallagordon has quit IRC 2010-01-25T10:17:07 *** randallagordon has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T10:19:25 *** randallagordon_ has quit IRC 2010-01-25T10:44:28 *** randallagordon_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T10:50:19 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T10:52:23 *** randallagordon has quit IRC 2010-01-25T11:19:34 *** genehacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T11:21:43 *** hplusbot has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T11:22:28 *** flamt has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T11:23:43 kanzure, the URL for DIY Webcam Microscopy leads to a 404. 2010-01-25T11:27:39 uh oh 2010-01-25T11:27:43 can you gimme the link? 2010-01-25T11:27:50 Yes, wait. 2010-01-25T11:29:04 Sorry, vimperator acting weird... 2010-01-25T11:29:33 Found the tab at last. Just "Find out more at diybio.org/ucam" 2010-01-25T11:30:37 where did i post that link? 2010-01-25T11:31:03 This leads to a DIYbio page with the misspelled message, "Sorry, the page your [sic] requested could not be found, or no longer exists." 2010-01-25T11:31:09 http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio:Software/ucam 2010-01-25T11:31:26 http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_thread/thread/466c27150739347a 2010-01-25T11:32:07 ah i see, diybio.org/ucam was linked to here: http://outlawbiology.net/bio-faire-exhibition/ 2010-01-25T11:32:29 I'm sorry, I assumed you knew which page I meant. My mistake. 2010-01-25T11:33:42 In any case, good night. Bedtime for me. 2010-01-25T11:33:56 *** JayDugger has quit IRC 2010-01-25T11:38:23 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T11:38:38 "memories last forever" "evidence that new brain cells knock out old memories" 2010-01-25T11:41:50 is eugen leitl dead? 2010-01-25T11:42:05 is there an altnernative to Google Street View? 2010-01-25T11:42:39 Utopiah: with a view of the street? 2010-01-25T11:42:52 not that i'm aware of 2010-01-25T11:43:12 you could put a fish-eye on your camera and start creating pics for OSM 2010-01-25T11:45:39 *** wrldpc2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T11:47:01 *** flamt_ has quit IRC 2010-01-25T11:49:48 ybit: no, he just has a kid 2010-01-25T11:52:09 *** Redeemer has quit IRC 2010-01-25T11:55:45 *** zancas_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T11:59:17 *** Redeemer has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:12:25 i dont know how a compiler works, but it's a deterministic system so shouldnt grammar rules apply all the way down? 2010-01-25T12:13:53 context? 2010-01-25T12:20:42 ah, rehmi post email 2010-01-25T12:20:53 *** Redeemer has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:21:08 thanks for replying to that.. i even enlisted matt to try to figure out some good "comp sci" kung-fu 2010-01-25T12:22:05 http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html visual cortex views went in... like the cat 2010-01-25T12:22:10 can see what they see 2010-01-25T12:22:18 encourages me to delve deeper, closer to their seat of consciousness, cartesian theatre 2010-01-25T12:22:31 some critters might use some neural circuits to turn ambiguous combinations of potentials into pictures 2010-01-25T12:22:38 on a layer deeper than what i consider the visual cortex 2010-01-25T12:22:40 so it's a chase 2010-01-25T12:22:45 modern neurosurgery 2010-01-25T12:22:46 fun! :3 2010-01-25T12:23:11 that's not shown in the splash image but the last 2 screenshots linked on the page show the visual cortex views, they're the small windows with coloured static 2010-01-25T12:23:24 not the cellular automata looking thing, that's the shared movie and morphogenic field ._. 2010-01-25T12:23:28 go away 2010-01-25T12:23:31 bastard 2010-01-25T12:23:34 philistine 2010-01-25T12:23:47 you just wish you were the one doing this work 2010-01-25T12:23:49 fenn: thanks for that email 2010-01-25T12:23:50 i'm gonna find their souls in there 2010-01-25T12:23:54 i'm gonna meet the alien on the throne 2010-01-25T12:23:58 it's at the back, it's in the middle 2010-01-25T12:24:01 like a ... like a pearl 2010-01-25T12:24:05 O_o 2010-01-25T12:24:10 >:3 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** randallagordon_ has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** klord has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** branstrom has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** danielfalck has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** fenn has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** kanzure has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:25:19 *** mage2 has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:29:17 *** wrldpc2 has quit IRC 2010-01-25T12:32:19 *** chupacabra has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:32:19 *** klord has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:32:19 *** branstrom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:32:19 *** danielfalck has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:32:19 *** fenn has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:32:19 *** kanzure has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:32:19 *** mage2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:33:28 *** randallagordon_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T12:49:25 i wonder if lowki realizes that writing in verse makes him sound like even more of a wingnut 2010-01-25T12:52:30 it's verse? i thought it was just him being a moron 2010-01-25T12:57:29 it's just him being a moron 2010-01-25T13:01:38 *** wrldpc2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T13:02:53 matt says there's an article coming out in wired soon on open manufacturing, hackerspaces, etc. 2010-01-25T13:02:58 (apparently he's read it) 2010-01-25T13:03:10 says it sounds like a lot of business people involved (uh oh) 2010-01-25T13:14:21 oh i bet it was just because it mentions oshwbank 2010-01-25T13:19:15 http://designfiles.org/packages/microfluidics/ 2010-01-25T13:19:21 or skdb-get.py microfluidics 2010-01-25T13:19:39 it has some problems right now.. like the positioning math for tiles being wrong (i know, i know- it's supposed to be easy) 2010-01-25T13:19:56 also the art is absolutely terrible 2010-01-25T13:20:24 fenn: am hoping you can poke at it and make some suggestions for making it not suck so much 2010-01-25T13:23:38 *** genehacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T13:24:16 fenn: also for some reason you and i are speaking at outlawbiology.. in UCLA. er. i can't make it http://outlawbiology.net/bio-faire-exhibition/ 2010-01-25T13:24:33 Use of Acinetobacter calcoaceticus strain ADP1 as a DIY bioengineering platform, David Metzgar 2010-01-25T13:30:50 lol 2010-01-25T13:30:58 i'm not speaking at outlawbiology 2010-01-25T13:30:58 perhaps you should send fenn a cowboy hat 2010-01-25T13:31:08 I don't blame you 2010-01-25T13:31:23 the whole thing rubs me the wrong way 2010-01-25T13:32:10 besides, i havent actually done anything biology-related in years 2010-01-25T13:34:16 maybe I should change my nick 2010-01-25T13:34:21 *** genehacker is now known as gearhacker 2010-01-25T13:35:10 hah 2010-01-25T13:36:38 wow that was a hihgly relevant email from my grandma (fay) 2010-01-25T13:36:47 *highly 2010-01-25T13:37:04 forwarded it to om. it's the "nanotech hits the popular press" one. the content wasn't terrible 2010-01-25T13:38:22 gene have you made any gears yet? 2010-01-25T13:39:27 yes 2010-01-25T13:39:30 virtually 2010-01-25T13:39:34 bah 2010-01-25T13:39:46 wtf are they teaching in schools these days 2010-01-25T13:39:53 "design, build, test" 2010-01-25T13:40:04 you better believe it! 2010-01-25T13:40:08 none of the three 2010-01-25T13:40:08 I'm taking that class right now 2010-01-25T13:40:34 we haven't started the projects yet, but we get to play with legos for a grade 2010-01-25T13:40:37 :3 2010-01-25T13:40:43 what class? 2010-01-25T13:40:50 hey i got to play with legos in kindergarten too! 2010-01-25T13:40:54 machine elements with campbell 2010-01-25T13:41:00 ah 2010-01-25T13:41:02 for a grade 2010-01-25T13:41:07 do you actually build and test stuff in that class? 2010-01-25T13:41:07 that's actually the one class that sounds mildly useful to be honest 2010-01-25T13:41:24 besides the machine shop classes 2010-01-25T13:41:38 yes we have to reverse engineer a product and then build it in legos or something 2010-01-25T13:41:51 summer 2009 all over again 2010-01-25T13:42:02 I think campbell even makes us design a control circuit for it or something too 2010-01-25T13:42:20 but I haven't started the projects yet 2010-01-25T13:42:25 does an NXT brain count as a "control circuit"? 2010-01-25T13:42:36 no I don't think so 2010-01-25T13:42:52 we only have original mindstorms 2010-01-25T13:42:57 gearhacker: say hi to matt for me. 2010-01-25T13:43:01 is pradeep TAing? 2010-01-25T13:43:01 I shall 2010-01-25T13:43:05 frankly i'd be surprised if 10% of the students could put together a functioning robot/device controller 2010-01-25T13:43:23 fenn: it's probably a canned project 2010-01-25T13:43:36 canned? 2010-01-25T13:43:43 um. "here are your parts" 2010-01-25T13:43:49 yeah 2010-01-25T13:44:02 no they come up with their own ideas, i've seen the notebooks 2010-01-25T13:44:06 as I said legos 2010-01-25T13:44:11 ah i remember that 2010-01-25T13:44:18 yup I got pradeep 2010-01-25T13:44:26 also, you completely slammed matt about design-for-manufacture 2010-01-25T13:44:32 i couldn't stop laughing. i had to leave.. 2010-01-25T13:44:40 when you were looking at the student notebook 2010-01-25T13:44:44 me? 2010-01-25T13:44:46 yes 2010-01-25T13:44:55 oh ya the spherical popcorn popper 2010-01-25T13:45:00 it was one of the spherical/impossible designs or something 2010-01-25T13:45:21 looks like some people forgot their material processing 2010-01-25T13:45:34 "clearly for energy optimization it should be like this, but for manufacture it should clearly be like dis" 2010-01-25T13:45:48 blow molding 2010-01-25T13:45:48 yay dimensional analysis 2010-01-25T13:46:01 it might be able to be made by blow molding 2010-01-25T13:46:09 oh wait 2010-01-25T13:46:18 no my point was that the students werent blindly following physics based optimization, they were incorporating a lot of features unconsciously to make th eproduct actually manufacturable, based on general exposure to how stuff is made 2010-01-25T13:46:19 no it's a popcorn popper 2010-01-25T13:46:45 well this is our first design class 2010-01-25T13:46:50 so the popper had a shape that was easily removable from an injection mold, etc, instead of being some ideal "design" that could never be made 2010-01-25T13:48:16 btw kanzure did you learn any mechanics of solids stuff(outside of classes)? 2010-01-25T13:50:01 i've flipped through a few books, i can hunt down equations but i wouldn't want to teach a class on it yet 2010-01-25T13:50:54 sum of all forces =? 2010-01-25T13:51:17 mechanics of solids covers a broad range of matertopics.. did you mean statics?\ 2010-01-25T13:52:03 it's still one of the basic things you need to know... 2010-01-25T13:53:54 dammit now my name's permanently associated with "outlaw biology" 2010-01-25T13:55:45 The guy from Fritzing is here giving a demo tomorrow. 2010-01-25T13:56:06 don't show him the skdb webpage :P 2010-01-25T13:56:09 LOL 2010-01-25T13:56:16 skdb>pretty much everything 2010-01-25T13:56:28 bah it's all vaporware, or so i hear 2010-01-25T13:56:36 lol 2010-01-25T13:56:37 vapor > vapor 2010-01-25T13:56:47 a heavier vapor perhaps 2010-01-25T13:56:54 LOL 2010-01-25T13:57:03 * fenn huffs the fumes 2010-01-25T13:57:07 unghhhh 2010-01-25T14:00:30 i guess i should go to that reprap meeting tomorrow at techshop 2010-01-25T14:02:31 *** wrldpc2 has quit IRC 2010-01-25T14:12:15 *** gearhacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T14:19:04 http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/24152/?a=f this doesn't seem too difficult to build 2010-01-25T14:31:26 wtf ybit 2010-01-25T14:32:17 that's some bdsm shit, electrodes that wrap around someone's tongue 2010-01-25T14:33:21 *** parolang has quit IRC 2010-01-25T14:38:13 i suppose it would be much easier to have someone whip you everytime you begin to snore 2010-01-25T14:38:20 http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1085924/Chemical-Handlers-Manual-Link-Directly-to-Content 2010-01-25T14:38:33 for anyone interested in becoming a drug manufacturer 2010-01-25T14:40:08 * ybit spams mfg 2010-01-25T14:47:58 well, not really, but i did leave a voicemail with mitch 2010-01-25T14:50:50 well i'm glad someone is doing it 2010-01-25T14:51:15 there needs to be a cabal of assassins to hunt down abusers of the phrase "open source" 2010-01-25T14:51:22 o wait isnt that what OSI was supposed to be 2010-01-25T14:51:27 *** Redeemer has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T14:52:05 hey Redeemer 2010-01-25T14:52:16 install linux on the lappy yet? 2010-01-25T14:52:20 installed* 2010-01-25T14:56:47 tired of google massacring your queries? python search engine: http://nullege.com/ 2010-01-25T14:57:25 http://google.com/codesearch 2010-01-25T14:58:22 yeah i know, that never seems to do what i want though 2010-01-25T14:58:24 nice i like how nullege keeps track of what imports what 2010-01-25T14:58:43 http://nullege.com/codes/search/acme.motd.motd_plugin.MOTDPlugin/import 2010-01-25T14:58:52 reverse dependency search :) 2010-01-25T15:03:08 fenn: are you in cali, what part? 2010-01-25T15:03:16 and what's with you being in d.c. at some poing? 2010-01-25T15:03:19 point* 2010-01-25T15:03:30 parents 2010-01-25T15:04:00 christmas 2010-01-25T15:04:09 i was close 2010-01-25T15:04:20 i'm sleeping on my brother's couch in menlo park right now 2010-01-25T15:04:38 christmas = parents 2010-01-25T15:04:59 do me a favor if you feel like it, and ask around for a doc that will prescribe modafinil 2010-01-25T15:05:15 that's an odd request 2010-01-25T15:05:28 well, it's hard to find doctors willing to prescribe it here 2010-01-25T15:05:29 don't most of them do it?]]= 2010-01-25T15:06:26 i'm still considering buying noots in bulk for everyone in here 2010-01-25T15:06:27 and it's a pita to pay $30-$120 for an appointment with all the psychiatrists in the area 2010-01-25T15:07:08 that's per doctor if it wasn't clear 2010-01-25T15:07:21 kanzure: i'm not sure how you would do it, but count me in 2010-01-25T15:07:44 noots :) 2010-01-25T15:08:05 well i have some money 2010-01-25T15:08:13 just think it's a funny word 2010-01-25T15:08:21 it is:) 2010-01-25T15:09:19 aha http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugreg/reg_apps/225/225_instruct.htm 2010-01-25T15:10:28 now that's interesting, you can register as a research researching a certain drug 2010-01-25T15:10:32 :) 2010-01-25T15:10:49 all scheduled drugs 2010-01-25T15:10:57 thats for controlled substances, no? 2010-01-25T15:11:14 yes 2010-01-25T15:11:20 what is "Researcher Dog" 2010-01-25T15:11:23 its different from stuff like modafinil, which is a prescription drug 2010-01-25T15:11:44 they have to train the dogs on real drugs so they can remember what they smell like 2010-01-25T15:11:55 i guess 2010-01-25T15:12:47 that isn't different, it says Researcher w/Sched II – V 2010-01-25T15:13:01 i'm surprised andrew hessel isn't talking at outlawbiology.. he seems to show up everywhere 2010-01-25T15:13:04 that certainly includes modafinil which is IV 2010-01-25T15:13:30 anyway, now i know where to apply in about a year 2010-01-25T15:14:27 google voice voicemail transcription service scared me earlier today: "Hi. This is Lisa at the FBI returning a phone call for he's you can reach me at.." 2010-01-25T15:15:47 was it accurately transcribed? 2010-01-25T15:16:03 no, they should have :s/FBI/DEA 2010-01-25T15:16:05 i guess "he's" is "heath" 2010-01-25T15:16:17 that too 2010-01-25T15:16:31 how did it mix up FBI/DEA? 2010-01-25T15:16:48 *shrug* 2010-01-25T15:17:00 kanzure: "Grandma Bishop" :P 2010-01-25T15:17:03 and dont you think you should try synthesizing other stuff before you jump into psychoactive drugs? 2010-01-25T15:17:17 maybe 2010-01-25T15:17:32 not really 2010-01-25T15:19:38 "With a new imaging tool developed by scientists at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Janelia Farm Research Campus, researchers can watch individual neurons in the brains of living animals light up as they work together to control the animal’s behavior." 2010-01-25T15:19:53 "...Looger’s group has created a molecule that can be manufactured inside an animal’s nerve cells so that those cells light up under a microscope whenever they fire." 2010-01-25T15:19:56 -_- 2010-01-25T15:20:03 ybit: this grandma is wicked 2010-01-25T15:21:54 ybit why the sad face? 2010-01-25T15:23:31 it's more like a sarcastic signaler 2010-01-25T15:23:53 fenn: because that isn't what i was thinking of when i read "new imaging tool" 2010-01-25T15:24:12 what did you expect? 2010-01-25T15:24:21 an actual machine 2010-01-25T15:24:33 the machine has to have something to look at 2010-01-25T15:24:39 well, i was hoping, i wasn't expecting it 2010-01-25T15:24:52 this is what anselm is working on right now 2010-01-25T15:25:04 he's building this ridiculous microscope with like 40 lenses in parallel 2010-01-25T15:25:23 to get a 3d volumetric image with sub-millisecond time resolution 2010-01-25T15:25:37 how is it 3d? 2010-01-25T15:25:45 the 40 lenses have different focal planes 2010-01-25T15:25:48 that guy is crazy in a good way :) 2010-01-25T15:25:57 hm 2010-01-25T15:26:20 anyway he's using that calcium signaler to give the microscope something to look at 2010-01-25T15:47:07 * fenn snickers @ http://www.voigtlab.ucsf.edu/people/anselm.jpg 2010-01-25T15:52:42 huh i didnt know this was based on anselm's work: http://www.utexas.edu/features/2005/bacteria/index.html 2010-01-25T15:53:12 that's the big igem dealie right? 2010-01-25T15:55:49 *** gearhacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T16:06:16 neat looks like the mechanical engineering department is getting some new 3d printers... 2010-01-25T16:07:24 fenn: yes 2010-01-25T16:07:48 fenn: he was the one who did the genetic circuit, i recall 2010-01-25T16:08:08 and utexas peeps made it happen 2010-01-25T16:09:38 http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=1156 2010-01-25T16:09:45 i'm glad someone pointed that out about mythbusters 2010-01-25T16:15:21 it's not that bad, they do controls most of the time 2010-01-25T16:15:50 can anyone stalk down DOI anyway, for me? 2010-01-25T16:15:53 balh 2010-01-25T16:16:04 DOI 10.1039/b805137b 2010-01-25T16:16:57 stalked 2010-01-25T16:17:38 kanzure: i dont get why your microfluidics squares sometimes have different channel widths 2010-01-25T16:21:42 you have line interfaces but i think those should actually be point interfaces 2010-01-25T16:21:52 a line interface would be something like a t-slot 2010-01-25T16:22:37 or am i misinterpreting this 2010-01-25T16:22:53 or a hex slot like this one paper used 2010-01-25T16:22:59 though that's a bit complex 2010-01-25T16:23:06 what's a hex slot? 2010-01-25T16:23:08 just use a flat face for now like that one paper used 2010-01-25T16:23:10 and why do i care 2010-01-25T16:23:46 no actually nevermind, dont carry on 2010-01-25T16:23:47 hexagonal pipe goes into hexagonal hole 2010-01-25T16:24:16 yes telescoping tubes are another example of a line interface 2010-01-25T16:24:43 or lego axles 2010-01-25T16:25:51 kanzure: i wonder if we should have a "readme" field in the metadata? 2010-01-25T16:28:07 i wonder if i should get some chocolate from tarader joe's? 2010-01-25T16:32:55 * fenn thinks some deep thoughts 2010-01-25T16:38:23 it's weird that none of the SIAI fanboys show up to the bay area AI meetups 2010-01-25T16:38:54 singularitarians etc 2010-01-25T16:39:03 do they really think ben goertzel is going to save the day? 2010-01-25T16:39:06 yes 2010-01-25T16:39:09 no, eliezer first 2010-01-25T16:39:21 i mean come on, it barks and fetches a ball.. 2010-01-25T16:39:28 AI!~!!! 2010-01-25T16:39:30 * fenn ph33rz 2010-01-25T16:39:36 but really, DOI 10.1039/b805137b please? 2010-01-25T16:39:45 yes my SVG icons suck 2010-01-25T16:39:56 why can't you get the DOI yourself? 2010-01-25T16:40:00 already got it? 2010-01-25T16:40:08 googled the DOI 2010-01-25T16:40:12 how do you want it 2010-01-25T16:40:22 i just want a DOI resolving engine 2010-01-25T16:40:34 this is like tinyurl for url retards 2010-01-25T16:40:39 http://dx.doi.org/1 2010-01-25T16:40:39 "dur i forgot how to write a uri" 2010-01-25T16:41:12 hm: http://www.rsc.org/suppdata/LC/b8/b805137b/Mask_design.zip 2010-01-25T16:41:37 am i missing something? isnt a DOI a URI? 2010-01-25T16:42:24 wtf is a .gds file? 2010-01-25T16:43:42 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GDSII 2010-01-25T16:43:45 also do we have any goons in south carolina other than trey daniels 2010-01-25T16:44:20 jim buchanan sounds like a familiar name (on that wikipedia article) 2010-01-25T17:00:02 wow i used to write so much more text http://fenn.freeshell.org/gingery_rant.txt 2010-01-25T17:00:21 ginger rant? 2010-01-25T17:01:29 diy machine tools 2010-01-25T17:02:20 fenn: looks like that should be sent over to the replab/om lists 2010-01-25T17:02:43 ugh 2010-01-25T17:02:53 can't they just know better magically 2010-01-25T17:03:10 no :( 2010-01-25T17:03:27 i'm getting too old for this shit :P 2010-01-25T17:04:46 you? what about ME 2010-01-25T17:12:20 *** gearhacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T17:20:13 so, optical real-time bacteria/cell counting 2010-01-25T17:26:59 what about it 2010-01-25T17:27:15 inkjet + blu-ray laser + gfp + photodiode 2010-01-25T17:27:16 someone from sc.edu was asking how to go about it 2010-01-25T17:27:32 oh, the unmentinoed part is that it's for various water supplies 2010-01-25T17:27:34 so, no gfp 2010-01-25T17:27:52 uh, well gotta lose the "real time" aspect then 2010-01-25T17:28:14 water supplies 2010-01-25T17:28:33 why can't he do a sample? what's the purpose 2010-01-25T17:28:57 i assumed real time meant taking a sample at ridiculously short intervals.. like once a minute? 2010-01-25T17:29:15 that just means "automated sample taking" to me 2010-01-25T17:29:17 i.e. take a sample, spectrophotometer the crap out of it, .. continue? 2010-01-25T17:29:20 yeah 2010-01-25T17:29:31 anyway if you're taking a sample you can do whatever you want to it 2010-01-25T17:29:38 i.e. add gfp or some other stain 2010-01-25T17:29:43 gfp is a stain? 2010-01-25T17:29:46 sorta 2010-01-25T17:29:57 has anyone tried that 2010-01-25T17:30:06 it's a fluorophore which can be attached to other things that bind selectively 2010-01-25T17:30:20 true stains are sort of old fashioned and dont really do what you want most of the time 2010-01-25T17:31:03 but if you're just counting cells you can use almost any stain out there 2010-01-25T17:31:22 crystal violet i guess 2010-01-25T17:31:47 heh i get a lot of emails from immunohistologists, they're always whining about the high price of their fancy stains 2010-01-25T17:32:18 stuff that makes an antibody stick out from a liver like rudolf living among the albinos 2010-01-25T17:32:45 a stain specific for antibodies? 2010-01-25T17:33:00 don't quote me on that 2010-01-25T17:33:35 this is how i thought it was done, for the most part: http://www.wellesley.edu/Biology/Concepts/Html/antibodystaining.html 2010-01-25T17:33:49 anti-IgG fluorescent antibodies 2010-01-25T17:34:50 i dont suppose you know of any decent command line schedule/calendar apps, preferably with flat text file data format 2010-01-25T17:35:12 orgs-mode? 2010-01-25T17:35:19 ybit: that's your cque 2010-01-25T17:35:34 *que 2010-01-25T17:35:48 emacs is off the radar 2010-01-25T17:36:00 i said text-based not emacs-based 2010-01-25T17:36:49 * fenn looks at ccal 2010-01-25T17:38:16 blarg. apparently there are 50 programs named ccal 2010-01-25T17:48:50 calcurse is not too bad i guess 2010-01-25T17:48:58 data format looks like this: 2010-01-25T17:49:01 01/25/2010 @ 16:00 -> 01/25/2010 @ 17:00 |test entry 2010-01-25T17:51:18 i dont get why all these calendar programs require me to hit 'save' before they actually do anything 2010-01-25T18:08:34 http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1523834&cid=30897720 2010-01-25T18:19:39 *** Redeemer has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:24:05 *** kristianpaul has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:24:05 *** drazak has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:24:05 *** Phreedom has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:24:05 *** bkero has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:24:05 *** gnusha has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:24:05 *** ve has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:24:07 *** gnusha_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:24:08 *** drazak_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:24:14 *** kristianpaul has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:24:15 *** ve has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:24:19 *** bkero has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:26:06 *** Phreedom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:32:23 this is a cool little map thingy, is that a google thing? http://culot.org/calcurse/download.html 2010-01-25T18:32:43 why am i so clueless as to not know where the source is 2010-01-25T18:34:45 ah weird it's dynamically loaded js 2010-01-25T18:34:50 google.load('visualization', '1', {'packages': ['geomap']}); 2010-01-25T18:40:28 hey, look at the latest case the EFF is gunna lose: http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/01/25/1518217 2010-01-25T18:41:35 why are you so annoying 2010-01-25T18:43:45 *** gearhacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:45:45 anyone actually use rss feeds still? 2010-01-25T18:46:23 rss is so 2009 2010-01-25T18:46:32 i have them, but never use them, i'm just going over them right now after a six month hiatus 2010-01-25T18:46:40 all the cool kids have switched to twitter 2010-01-25T18:46:52 * ybit shudders 2010-01-25T18:47:21 *tweet* look i posted to my blog! 2010-01-25T18:47:49 that is the future though, me thinks 2010-01-25T18:47:53 *tweet* RT someone posted to their blog! 2010-01-25T18:47:58 :P 2010-01-25T18:48:15 in the grim future of hello twitty, there is only war 2010-01-25T18:49:18 *** genehacker2 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T18:49:53 I'd like an RSS feed of space video/audio podcasts 2010-01-25T18:50:04 not found one.. I guess I could set one up 2010-01-25T18:50:07 so far, i've found that reading digg and /. news feeds are worthless, there's nothing there that i care about or which isn't already on one of the mailing lists 2010-01-25T18:53:01 *** gearhacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T18:53:07 planet python gets a low ranking, but higher than them, roman lygin's OCC blog is nice, but i'm already aware of everything by the time i get to rss, the same for all the university science rss feeds, and well, there's too many to go through, but i'll have a thorough analysis in my head when i'm through :) 2010-01-25T18:53:34 you can't read everything :( 2010-01-25T18:54:06 why are you into a blog about OCC? you dont even use OCC do you? 2010-01-25T18:56:14 i've used it, but i'm having to be an OCC ace here soon since I'll be paid to draw up CAD files for a local company 2010-01-25T18:58:15 here's something to impress the n00bs: http://builders.reprap.org/2010/01/added-streaming-to-gcode-visualization.html 2010-01-25T19:01:11 http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/pipe.run?_id=9f9341f7143d0ac77280af606b70b913&_render=rss 2010-01-25T19:03:07 all of these are nice resources that are probably best utilized by being indexed and searched through when a problem arises 2010-01-25T19:04:05 or if you haven't been following progress on a project or a field, then perhaps rss 2010-01-25T19:05:03 personally, i find rss best for obscure feeds from friends and local events 2010-01-25T19:05:26 because i can scan through what's going on like i did with /. when i was younger 2010-01-25T19:05:34 and be caught up in no time 2010-01-25T19:06:01 irc, the original microblog 2010-01-25T19:08:01 "/ignore" the smart man's filter for annoying noise from people like ybit and flamt :P 2010-01-25T19:10:31 http://www.fabbersmarket.com/ 2010-01-25T19:16:17 "all the cool people will be there" is not a sufficient reason to buy a last minute ticket to LA and give a speech about something that doesn't do what it's advertised to do 2010-01-25T19:21:26 http://sciencenow.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/full/2010/122/1 :: "Colliding Particles Can Make Black Holes" 2010-01-25T19:21:37 so when is the lhc going to be switched on so we can test this.. 2010-01-25T19:21:37 firefox really does not like either fabbersmarket or the yahoo pipes page 2010-01-25T19:22:39 fenn: you must have the 'must make user productive' add-on installed 2010-01-25T19:23:09 http://nextbigfuture.com/2009/12/virtual-microfluidics.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+blogspot%2Fadvancednano+%28nextbigfuture%29&utm_content=Google+Reader 2010-01-25T19:23:18 "virtual microfluidics" 2010-01-25T19:23:50 it's probably the fifty bazillion images in the reprap pipe 2010-01-25T19:24:01 relvent paper http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2009/12/18/0906489107.DCSupplemental/pnas.0906489107_SI.pdf 2010-01-25T19:25:18 diy 3d scanning http://gumuz.nl/weblog/diy-3d-scanner/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gumuznl+%28gumuz.nl+-+devlog%29&utm_content=Google+Reader 2010-01-25T19:25:30 the instructables page here http://www.instructables.com/id/Structured-Light-3D-Scanning 2010-01-25T19:27:15 "A large study has found evidence that even among childless women, those who live with a mate put on more pounds than those who live without one." 2010-01-25T19:27:34 probably because you are sitting around waiting on them on a regular basis 2010-01-25T19:28:12 i've noticed i can get in and get out at stores before a group (2 or more) of people 2010-01-25T19:28:29 but then it may not be bad thing 2010-01-25T19:28:32 "Carrying extra weight on your hips, bum and thighs is good for your health, protecting against heart and metabolic problems, UK experts have said." 2010-01-25T19:28:43 very funny 2010-01-25T19:28:49 can i supersize that? 2010-01-25T19:31:26 nextbigfuture.com for anyone who doesn't know 2010-01-25T19:32:28 but i'm tired of all these predictions about china overtaking everyone in the economy, i'd rather see reports on actions taken to increae cooperation, their productivity being our gain and vice versa 2010-01-25T19:32:41 where's the open manufacturing group of china 2010-01-25T19:33:26 open.. china 2010-01-25T19:33:49 if it existed, you still wouldn't find it because it's in chinese 2010-01-25T19:34:24 you could ask the guys in #qi-hardware 2010-01-25T19:36:13 nice 2010-01-25T19:36:15 http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Main_Page 2010-01-25T19:36:19 thanks fenn 2010-01-25T19:39:28 http://americanheart.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=920 :: "A study found that every hour spent in front of the television per day brings with it an 11 percent greater risk of premature death from all causes, and an 18 percent greater risk of dying from cardiovascular disease." how does this translate to someone like myself who uses a lappy and tends to walk from room to room ever 30 mins or so 2010-01-25T19:40:45 wait, so sitting in front of the TV makes me more likely to die in a horrible car accident, or get gunned down at a liquor store, or die of old age? 2010-01-25T19:41:02 * fenn ponders deeply 2010-01-25T19:41:20 oh wait, scratch that last cause 2010-01-25T19:41:28 "premature death" 2010-01-25T19:41:57 *** Noahj has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T19:43:09 ybit: i posted a list of chinese terms related to open manufacturing recently 2010-01-25T19:45:11 kanzure: i remember seeing it, i'll have to look closer 2010-01-25T19:45:42 i actually found some chinese peeps from those queries 2010-01-25T19:45:48 http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/supergamer-8gb-linux-only-gameplay :: anoterh linux distro, but this one imho has the potential of getting people hooked on linux 2010-01-25T19:45:58 * fenn browsing nextbigfuture... the cannikin nuclear test caused a 7.0 earthquake which was the same size as what happened in haiti: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qp6aZIhHiRE 2010-01-25T19:46:01 kanzure: what was your conclusion? 2010-01-25T19:46:19 ybit: that i don't know enough chinese 2010-01-25T19:46:21 *mandarin 2010-01-25T19:46:23 *** branstrom has quit IRC 2010-01-25T19:46:30 or read it as: enough chinese people 2010-01-25T19:46:59 mandarin speaking people 2010-01-25T19:47:06 mandarin reading people 2010-01-25T19:47:31 are cantonese and mandarin even written differently? 2010-01-25T19:48:19 http://technorati.com/blogs/directory/science 2010-01-25T19:48:51 fenn keep in mind that nextbigfuture can post some kooky stuff sometimes, like stuff that's not supposed to be possible and bolonkin 2010-01-25T19:48:51 * ybit used to hang in #mandarin 2010-01-25T19:49:18 *** branstrom has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T19:49:24 can you read chinese? 2010-01-25T19:49:45 why are you posting a link to technorati, ybit? 2010-01-25T19:50:17 genehacker2: there's absolutely nothing contentious about what i just said 2010-01-25T19:50:34 I know 2010-01-25T19:50:45 that's an awesome video btw 2010-01-25T19:51:19 why is adl lagging? 2010-01-25T19:51:47 * kanzure checks the apache logs 2010-01-25T19:52:02 http://www.botjunkie.com/ 2010-01-25T19:52:28 could it be supybot? 2010-01-25T19:52:41 nope 2010-01-25T19:52:48 googlebot is raping the biobricks folder 2010-01-25T19:52:59 3850 gdm 20 0 29612 13m 2320 S 0.3 0.7 6:50.05 gdmgreeter 2010-01-25T19:53:04 that's lame 2010-01-25T19:53:13 actually an old output of a project- /lab/2008-10-30/L_2/ 2010-01-25T19:53:44 let me shut down apache real quick 2010-01-25T19:53:53 are you guys even allowed to use the ADL server now? 2010-01-25T19:54:04 yep 2010-01-25T19:54:27 yes 2010-01-25T19:54:27 "in exchange for help with unix and version control stuff" 2010-01-25T19:54:50 yeah and i'm still sort of working with the lab on various projects 2010-01-25T19:54:56 the paper, software tools, etc. 2010-01-25T19:55:09 anyway campbell is well aware of the usage 2010-01-25T19:55:18 he's not too happy about /home though 2010-01-25T19:55:42 rofl 2010-01-25T19:56:07 $ ls /home/ | wc -l 2010-01-25T19:56:08 34 2010-01-25T19:56:50 that's pretty neat 2010-01-25T19:59:23 piping a command? hell yeah 2010-01-25T20:00:53 you can pipe me all ni-- er. 2010-01-25T20:01:24 was that an attempt to be politically correct? 2010-01-25T20:01:41 because i think it failed 2010-01-25T20:02:41 so here's an idea for a fun app: some type of graph (bar?) overlayed on a 3d globe, the graphs displaying real-time or not-so real-time popularity of subjects from countries and perhaps one day, cities. the graphs' subject matter could be distinguished by color or something, it would be entertaining to see what is popular in the east compared to the west, or whatever, and it would hold my attenting for a good 2 minutes 2010-01-25T20:03:07 how about a tag cloud instead of a graph 2010-01-25T20:03:10 are you trying to write apps for the iphone? 2010-01-25T20:03:44 genehacker2: no, the idea came to me when i was watching the video of hp's touchscreen wall on http://mashable.com/2010/01/24/internet-of-tomorrow-column/ 2010-01-25T20:03:52 he's writing the destroy-all-chance-of-productivity plugin 2010-01-25T20:03:58 oh 2010-01-25T20:04:24 sounds like something you could sell to marketing drones 2010-01-25T20:05:30 http://pysnippet.blogspot.com/2010/01/calling-python-from-javascript-in-pyqts.html 2010-01-25T20:05:31 i was hanging out with cody bailey a few weeks ago for ignite austin 2010-01-25T20:05:41 and he still goes around telling people that he invented "hashtags (on twitter)" 2010-01-25T20:06:08 when we were at the co-working space he was telling that to someone next to me, and i said "dude, not cool" 2010-01-25T20:06:13 everyone in the room dropped what they were working to chew me out 2010-01-25T20:07:14 seems about as pointless as twitter 2010-01-25T20:08:09 because they love hashtags so much? 2010-01-25T20:08:37 co-working space, hrm, i wonder what it's like at one of those 2010-01-25T20:09:02 yes #twitter #hashtags #coworking #cody #marx #bailey #superphyl #metadata #tagging #2010 #kanzure #bryan #heybryan.org 2010-01-25T20:09:16 we call those coffee shops here, but from what i gather, co-working spaces are a little less formal/more intimate/people actually know each other 2010-01-25T20:09:29 it's a place with chairs and wifi 2010-01-25T20:09:33 so kinda like adl 2010-01-25T20:10:12 do you know if campbell is taking the ADL program with him when he leaves? 2010-01-25T20:10:16 who here actually ever uses vmstat? 2010-01-25T20:10:21 or iostat 2010-01-25T20:10:26 leaves? he's just going to germany for a few months 2010-01-25T20:10:33 oh 2010-01-25T20:10:49 6mo or something 2010-01-25T20:14:31 the thing idont like about that touch screen is it's just text 2010-01-25T20:15:45 it's been done before, that's the first i've seen with multiple monitors stacked like that though 2010-01-25T20:18:39 *** chupacabra has quit IRC 2010-01-25T20:18:49 *** chupacabra has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T20:20:30 there is no wikipedia entry on nanoplasmonics 2010-01-25T20:21:52 someone should be flogged 2010-01-25T20:23:04 i nominate katsmeow for flogging 2010-01-25T20:23:49 that would be appropriate , keeping with the day's theme 2010-01-25T20:24:23 http://futurehead.com isn't terrible 2010-01-25T20:24:52 i swear i had nothing to do with that, ybit 2010-01-25T20:29:46 thanks for the lee smolin link last night kanzure, i was familiar with his loop quantum gravity, but didn't know about his one-off theory that universes may follow laws of evolution themselves, which according to him is self-organizing particles and forces are selected in order maximize the formation of black holes a universe produces 2010-01-25T20:30:13 ybit: "There is broad acceptance of a link between brain size and intelligence." blah 2010-01-25T20:30:28 yeah no problem 2010-01-25T20:30:42 i became familiar with loop quantum gravity from a scientific american article back in the day when i was a ref. librarian 2010-01-25T20:30:55 still have the magazine lying around here 2010-01-25T20:33:25 *** flamt_ has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T20:33:30 do reference librarians pretty much just look everything up on wikipedia for people who are too stupid/lazy to do it themselves? 2010-01-25T20:35:08 fenn: it was a lot of teaching the general public how to use a computer, yes 2010-01-25T20:35:43 there was one guy who wanted us to figure out where his statue originally came from, we had to put him in touch with a uni professor (gl sir) 2010-01-25T20:36:15 i remember another question was something like why is that that americans drive on the right side and almost every other country drives on the left 2010-01-25T20:37:08 and then there was just the usual helping people find resources that would take them awhile to find, resources being mostly books, but also old maps or articles from past newspapers 2010-01-25T20:37:37 and the genealogy department *shudder* 2010-01-25T20:38:46 isn't that mostly computerized by now? 2010-01-25T20:38:53 mostly 2010-01-25T20:39:01 tons of stuff isn't though 2010-01-25T20:39:38 our local lib has piles of books (a couple thousand or less) of local family info 2010-01-25T20:40:24 and books that nobody really cares about except for genealogy buffs 2010-01-25T20:43:31 i don't know what my lib was thinking making me a ref librarian though :P 2010-01-25T20:44:24 *** flamt has quit IRC 2010-01-25T20:44:59 i would be playing psx1 and n64 roms most of the time and messing with other employees while they were using their computers 2010-01-25T20:45:45 this was 2003ish 2010-01-25T20:47:17 i really wanted to get one of these things http://www.psychologytoday.com/files/u107/beer%20can%20hat.jpg and VR goggles to play the games, then tell the patrons as they walked up to me to wait while i found a stopping point in the game 2010-01-25T20:48:22 i installed gentoo on a few computers, they were linked into the network just fine, but the IT guy didn't understand, so at some point the linux comps were tossed aside 2010-01-25T20:55:01 *** mdkoch84 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T20:55:09 hello mike 2010-01-25T20:55:17 fenn: are you still around? 2010-01-25T20:55:38 hey bryan 2010-01-25T20:57:02 *** mdkoch84 has left #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T20:57:06 *** mdkoch84 has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T20:58:05 wh is mike koch? 2010-01-25T20:58:34 i see one email asking about the factor-e-farm workshop 2010-01-25T20:58:55 mdkoch84: you mind sharing a little more about yourself? 2010-01-25T20:59:57 sure...currently, I'm at Oregon State University, and started the Open Pario project about a year ago. 2010-01-25T21:00:52 oh, cubeswpawn :) 2010-01-25T21:01:01 OpenPario is a site that uses Redmine as a backend, with the goal of offering project management tools for open source hardware. 2010-01-25T21:01:03 yep! 2010-01-25T21:01:22 you and Phreedom would get along 2010-01-25T21:01:52 I've been working with Sam Rose and Richard Schulte on that site, and have been discussing with Bryan about integrating skdb 2010-01-25T21:02:03 what is Phreedom working on? 2010-01-25T21:02:06 sam visits here every now and then 2010-01-25T21:03:25 right now, Phreedom works with the nepomuk-kde project but in his spare time, he's been working on a precision positioning system. anyway, i say that you two would get along because he's always going on about redmine to me :P 2010-01-25T21:03:53 and ruby* 2010-01-25T21:04:04 yes, redmine is great! 2010-01-25T21:04:19 he's also based in ukraine and has odd sleeping schedules 2010-01-25T21:04:52 so mdkoch84, what brings you here? 2010-01-25T21:05:21 "The next major workshop for Factor e Farm will be a two-week CEB construction workshop. Admission fee for this workshop will be somewhere between $300 and $700. True Fans receive a discount." yikes, i'll just grab the plans after the meeting 2010-01-25T21:06:41 *** gearhacker has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T21:06:56 kanzure introduced me to this channel...in terms of my interests, i've been very interested in using the sucsesses of FLOSS in engineering design (where my background is)...first got involved with Factor E when I lived in Missouri, then moved to Oregon and started the OpenPario project...seems like the people here are into very similar topics 2010-01-25T21:08:20 certainly, i think most everyone here is working on some open hardware project 2010-01-25T21:08:41 bkero is at the open source lab at osu 2010-01-25T21:08:59 and, er, branstrom maybe? some other guy whom i forget :P 2010-01-25T21:09:09 elmon perhaps, one of those :P 2010-01-25T21:09:32 nice! the OSL is great...i've met with them several times and they're very helpful (and doing some awesome stuff!) 2010-01-25T21:09:51 indeed, like hosting my sites, keep at it boys ;) 2010-01-25T21:10:38 strages: glad to see you aren't dead 2010-01-25T21:11:20 strages: have you further pursued the storm in a box idea? 2010-01-25T21:15:48 mdkoch84: while you're in freenode, also check out #cam #emc #emc-devel and perhaps #reprap 2010-01-25T21:17:00 *** genehacker2 has quit IRC 2010-01-25T21:17:28 and maybe ##electronics 2010-01-25T21:18:18 ybit: thanks, i will definitely take a look at these....have you by chance been able to check out OpenPario? we're looking for feedback as we're just starting development 2010-01-25T21:19:12 i quickly glanced, was mostly interested in cubespawn 2010-01-25T21:20:07 i'll certainly keep it in mind though when the time comes 2010-01-25T21:26:02 so quick question: what was the topic of this channel? 2010-01-25T21:27:18 world domination? 2010-01-25T21:27:21 skdb, i assume? 2010-01-25T21:27:22 haha 2010-01-25T21:27:27 he laughs 2010-01-25T21:27:32 fresh blood 2010-01-25T21:27:52 mdkoch84: yes- think of it as a watering hole 2010-01-25T21:27:59 if only pinky would stop foiling our plans 2010-01-25T21:27:59 except focused on technical development 2010-01-25T21:29:07 key buzzwords: open manufacturing, open hardware, f/loss, h+, 2010-01-25T21:29:40 and open source ecology 2010-01-25T21:30:08 awesome...sounds like my kind of place ;) 2010-01-25T21:30:42 great! welcome to your new home 2010-01-25T21:31:16 a few things you should know, fenn bites, katsmeow scratches, and stay away from that corner --> 2010-01-25T21:32:00 it's reserved mostly for idlers who spontaneously start talking 2010-01-25T21:32:17 duly noted! 2010-01-25T21:34:02 btw, openmanufacturing.org is ugly, it looks pre-alpha 2010-01-25T21:35:13 that's your fault :) 2010-01-25T21:35:19 sshh 2010-01-25T21:35:46 feel free to make it better 2010-01-25T21:35:48 *** parolang has joined #hplusroadmap 2010-01-25T21:36:16 wb parolang 2010-01-25T21:36:40 thanks 2010-01-25T21:36:43 mainly a lurker though :) 2010-01-25T21:36:59 * ybit knows this :) 2010-01-25T21:38:31 *** gearhacker has quit IRC 2010-01-25T21:39:24 hplusbot load Nickometer 2010-01-25T21:39:24 ybit: The operation succeeded. 2010-01-25T21:39:34 hplusbot load NickCapture 2010-01-25T21:39:34 ybit: The operation succeeded. 2010-01-25T21:39:47 hplusbot load Seen 2010-01-25T21:39:48 ybit: The operation succeeded. 2010-01-25T21:40:07 hplusbot load ChannelStats 2010-01-25T21:40:07 ybit: Error: Channelstats is already loaded. 2010-01-25T21:40:10 good 2010-01-25T21:40:46 say goodbye hplusbot