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13:49 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:52 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:53 < ybit> http://apps.asterisq.com/mentionmap/#hashtag-openmanufacturing 13:54 < katsmeow-afk> the problem is: insurance won't stop you from dying, else it may be worth it 13:55 < katsmeow-afk> that's a twitter url? i have twitter blocked 13:55 < katsmeow-afk> btw, /me waves hi up to to ybit 13:57 -!- GNUtoo [~GNUtoo@host46-130-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:00 < kanzure> hello GNUtoo 14:01 < kanzure> ybit: insurance is necessary if you don't want to be sued to oblivion by insurance companies 14:01 < GNUtoo> hi,what is this channel about? a free software calculator? 14:01 < kanzure> no 14:01 < GNUtoo> ok 14:01 < kanzure> ybit: the problem is that if someone gets hurt in your shop, and they have insurance, the insurance will pay them their money; but, the insurance company will sue you 14:01 < GNUtoo> I'm curious...someone mentioned the channel and so I wondered what it was about 14:02 < kanzure> we do open source hardware and transhuman tech 14:03 < GNUtoo> ok 14:04 < katsmeow-afk> so you need minimal insurance from each and every company, effectively bribing them, so they think twice about sueing themselves? 14:05 < kanzure> hah 14:05 < kanzure> that would be interesting 14:05 < kanzure> but very expensive 14:05 < ybit> hi katsmeow-afk, weathering the storms? 14:06 < ybit> hi GNUtoo, bienvenido 14:06 < katsmeow-afk> it was warmer outside at midnite 12hrs ago than now, we got no weather cept rain 14:07 < GNUtoo> hi 14:09 < ybit> why not just make a parent responsible for a child's actions, having each person under 18 years of age (or whatever age is considered an adult for your state) have a parent with them 14:09 < kanzure> it doesn't matter if it's a child or not 14:09 < ybit> GNUtoo: is with kristianpaul, part of the effort to create a hackerspace in colombia 14:10 < kristianpaul> is not the only one btw 14:10 < ybit> oh 14:10 < kristianpaul> there are others (2) 14:10 < ybit> who? 14:10 < kristianpaul> in bogota and medellin 14:10 < ybit> ah 14:10 < kristianpaul> also a dorkbot 14:10 < katsmeow-afk> most parents treat kids as disposable, or assign them too much or too little responcibility, and don't get upset untilt hey haveto replace the kid 14:10 < GNUtoo> ybit, I'm just a friend of kristianpaul ...but I live in italy 14:11 < ybit> nice 14:11 < GNUtoo> I think I was the one who had the idea of the logo of his hackerspace 14:11 < kristianpaul> yes he desing it and jsut fixed it a bit 14:11 < kristianpaul> designed* 14:12 < ybit> how does insurance protect a hackerspace? i have little exp in dealing with insurance 14:12 < kristianpaul> hmm 14:12 < katsmeow-afk> it's an umbrella, don't you watch tv? 14:13 < katsmeow-afk> you pay off the insurance co to take the financial hit in case some dope gets wound up in a lathe and sues you 14:13 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: not enough apparently 14:13 < katsmeow-afk> or tapes the emergency stop switches over and gets his paws chopped off 14:13 < ybit> but why not just make them sign a waiver saying that they are fully aware that they may die and are willing to deal with that 14:13 < katsmeow-afk> or dropps into a chute feeding a shredder becaouse he climbed the railings 14:14 < katsmeow-afk> because the waiver may be contested in court by surviving family of the gov 14:14 < katsmeow-afk> or the gov 14:14 < kanzure> you think your little 2-page waiver is going to stop a man who had his hand cut off from suing the fuck out of you? 14:15 < kanzure> =] 14:15 < kanzure> i'm not trying to do scaremongering here. insurance is brutal 14:15 < katsmeow-afk> or the building inspector approved the railing spacing, but thent he law was changed and you weren't notified, and some kid's dog sqeezes thru and dies, and they sue you for 20 yrs of god companionship ($1,000,000) 14:15 < ybit> i don't the waiver will prevent them from suing but it's proof that they knew the risks 14:15 < ybit> +think 14:16 < katsmeow-afk> nope, "mental state" 14:16 < ybit> fuck 14:16 < ybit> insurance is expensive, no? 14:16 < kristianpaul> yes 14:16 < kristianpaul> even more for us 14:17 < ybit> :\ 14:17 < kristianpaul> i think 14:17 < kristianpaul> the risk is high 14:17 < katsmeow-afk> it's happened, wife goes into shooting range, ex-husband does too, both are adults and check out a gun, sign paperwork, ex then shoots wife or self 14:17 < katsmeow-afk> happened 2x in Fla in 09, iirc 14:18 < katsmeow-afk> shooting range gets sued, legal expenses thru the roof, insurance or not, the cost is extreme 14:20 < ybit> haha, i just remembered, kanzure, you were in my dreams last night, we were roaming through my imaginary version of your college and there was a group/class that would link up with each other with a device to read each others minds, another class was diybio and then there was some church which my friend parted from us so that he could proclaim diybio evil because it wasn't right for us to tinker with "god's creatures", "they were making bacteria glow!" a 14:22 < ybit> thanks for the conversation on insurance, god this sucks 14:23 < katsmeow-afk> heh 14:23 < ybit> geez, it's taken over 24 hours to transfer about 50GB over my network 14:24 < ybit> it's not even half-way through 14:24 < katsmeow-afk> 86megabytes/hr? ouch 14:24 < ybit> too many torrent i suppose 14:24 < katsmeow-afk> what's torent got to do with your network? 14:26 < ybit> my comp can only read so many bytes sent its way, i've got 2 rsync instancesand two wget --mirror instances 14:27 < katsmeow-afk> oh,, err, i guess i confused "your lan" with "your isp" 14:27 < katsmeow-afk> when you said "my network" 14:27 < ybit> nope, i meant my network 14:28 < ybit> this computer is connected via wifi 14:29 < ybit> the server is running slow right now, and both computers have torrents being transferred 14:29 < katsmeow-afk> i have 4 puters on the 100megabit router to the internet, 9 are on the gigabit switched lan OFF the internet, the 9 can move data in a big hurry (after i hacked up winxp , that is), while those puters onthe router gets data slowly 14:30 < ybit> yeah, i don't have that 14:30 < ybit> i'll trade you though 14:30 < katsmeow-afk> heh 14:31 < katsmeow-afk> i have wgets running on all the puters on the router, other stuff on the 9 behind the switch 14:32 < katsmeow-afk> what i have done is try to ensure no wget is actually hitting the net at the same time as others 14:35 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: check out google.com/trends and narrow results to alabama, one of the first things you will notice is that there isn't enough search volume for 'intelligence' in alabama for it to give results :P 14:36 < katsmeow-afk> it takes intelligence to know intelligence, and there isn't any in Alabama, but we have known that a loooong time, haven't we? 14:36 < katsmeow-afk> ooo, a Vic20 for $14 14:41 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:42 < ybit> but there's plenty for sports and whatnot, my city ranks at #3 for queries on ubuntu and linux, #2 for twitter, #4 for facebook, #3 for apartment(s) surprisingly since there is huntsville, tuscaloosa, auburn, birmingham, and gulf shores. it would almost be interesting to throw a dictionary at it and chart the results, e.g. we are #3 in searches for devil, #4 for death #6 for jesus, so that tells you a little bit about the area. we are #1 for movie(s) #1 14:44 < katsmeow-afk> you got truncated 14:44 < katsmeow-afk> we are #1 for movie(s) #1 ____________________ 14:44 < ybit> superkuh: if i'm hitting your server too hard, let me know, i can reduce the bandWIDTH 14:44 < ybit> #1 for conan, nowhere on the charts for some phrases like rocket(s). alabama doesn't have enough search quueries for terms like nanotechnology, open source, robotics. we are #4 for marijuana and #5 for pot 14:44 < ybit> katsmeow-afk: ^ 14:45 < katsmeow-afk> irc truncates ~450 chars, depending on channelname length and your nick lengths and phase of the moon 14:45 * ybit did not know this 14:45 < katsmeow-afk> seriously? 14:46 < ybit> a decent irc client should prevent you from worrying about it 14:46 < ybit> i.e. it should break the message up 14:46 < ybit> ..before sending 14:46 < katsmeow-afk> the client would haveto rearrange your input then, to multiple irc transmissions, that's sorta like interferring 14:46 < ybit> i wouldn't mind 14:47 < ybit> i think that's the way konversation works 14:47 < fenn> your client is stupid 14:48 < katsmeow-afk> depends on what words got broken off the sentence and OOC'd 14:48 < fenn> mine stops typing before it cuts off 14:48 < ybit> fenn: i'm using irssi :P 14:48 < ybit> ..and weechat 14:48 < fenn> me too; you must have broken it 14:49 < ybit> haha, doubt it, perhaps the ubuntu package maintainers did though :) 14:55 < ybit> if you're using a long-distance (or i guess even a short-distance) wide-area laser sensor, how might you determine where the object being detected is located? 14:56 < katsmeow-afk> measure where it's pointed and transit time 14:56 < katsmeow-afk> do maths 14:56 < ybit> duh 14:56 < ybit> thanks :) 14:56 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't understand the question? 14:57 < ybit> i've yet to find a long-distance laser sensor that i would consider long distance 14:57 < ybit> they're all roughly 1000mm 14:57 < katsmeow-afk> check .mil sites 14:58 < fenn> 1000mm or 1000m? 14:58 < fenn> keyword is 'laser range finder' or 'lidar' 14:59 < ybit> http://www.keyence.com.sg/products/sensors/laser/lvh42/lvh42.php 1000mm 15:00 < katsmeow-afk> well, that's 16bit accuracy too 15:01 < fenn> thats industrial control crap 15:02 < fenn> for watching cookie dough height or whatever 15:02 < fenn> mmm cookie dough 15:02 * fenn drools 15:06 < ybit> the idea is to control the skies above your lot, you can measure an objects projected path with multiple sensor layers, but i just don't see any which have a decent range 15:06 < katsmeow-afk> why use laser, and not cameras? 15:07 < ybit> higher accuracy 15:07 < katsmeow-afk> zoom lens, triangulation 15:08 < ybit> i thnk you got me there 15:08 < katsmeow-afk> my lot's corner distances are 800, 820, 1200 feet, wide area for accuracy, pisses me off that the #$%&#% neighbor and his gods stopped me from DOING it for 10 yrs 15:10 < katsmeow-afk> i even ran a steel beam down from the roof centerline steel beam to the footer for catapult launches off the roof deck (the open slot in the roof profile is 30ft off the ground too) 15:12 < katsmeow-afk> i wanted to use the air space above me, it's tween the Bham and local airport atc zones, it's not covered by restrictive faa rules like approach zones 15:12 * katsmeow-afk points sadly to the twin single piston baby gas engines she got just for uav 15:27 < katsmeow-afk> i dunno which part of this is scarier: 15:27 < katsmeow-afk> At least three US oil companies were the target of a series of previously undisclosed cyberattacks that ... focused on one of the crown jewels of the industry: valuable "bid data" detailing the quantity, value, and location of oil discoveries worldwide, ... which occurred in 2008, until the FBI alerted them 15:27 < katsmeow-afk> ... Federal officials told the companies proprietary information had been flowing out... included e-mail passwords, messages, and other information tied to executives with access to proprietary exploration and discovery information 15:38 < JayDugger> Good afternoon, all. 15:38 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:18da:7c83:52c6:ef50] has left #hplusroadmap [] 15:41 -!- flamt [~root@74.13.33.181] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:18 -!- GNUtoo [~GNUtoo@host46-130-dynamic.244-95-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #hplusroadmap ["Leaving"] 16:28 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://groups.google.com/group/open-design-water-purification-system&usg=AFQjCNE-8XbY8qOl5IWpeliU01c2WjdwBA 16:28 < kanzure> er 16:29 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/open-design-water-purification-system 16:31 < katsmeow-afk> do we know Ireton ? 16:34 < katsmeow-afk> the restrictions listed in the box on http://www.lifewater.ca/Appendix_K.htm are false, every one of those can be gotten around 16:34 < katsmeow-afk> easily 16:35 < katsmeow-afk> "Galvanized rod is commonly used for the pump rod. Reinforced steel can be used but it is likely to rust." wtf is "reinforced steel" ? 16:36 < katsmeow-afk> "The wood bearing works best if it is first soaked with oil" oil? in a rural area wher the yearly income is $1? hell, lube it with tallow, animal fats 16:37 < katsmeow-afk> idiots 16:39 < katsmeow-afk> "The best solution to the water problem is the same one you benefit from every day: chlorination." can you say "cloramines" ? what about ozone as a disinfectant? or using the thermal sun power directly and simply boil the water? 16:39 < fenn> well this is interesting. lifeboat.com wants me on their scientific advisory board 16:39 < fenn> some pretty awesome people on this list: http://lifeboat.com/ex/boards 16:40 * katsmeow-afk sighs 16:41 < katsmeow-afk> i am building an *actual* boat because of humans, lifeboat.com has even less impact on my life 16:42 * fenn is disappointed to see no "zombie apocalypse" working group 16:44 < katsmeow-afk> you pretty much haveto buy clorine, but if you have electricity you can make ozone anywhere 16:46 < fenn> don't even need "electricity" per se 16:46 < katsmeow-afk> it's handy tho 16:47 < fenn> how does ozone do against parasitic cysts? 16:47 < katsmeow-afk> pumps to move the ozone, etc 16:47 < katsmeow-afk> not much gets to cysts, evaporation works tho 16:47 < fenn> hmm google says it works well on giardia 16:48 < katsmeow-afk> in super doses? 16:48 < katsmeow-afk> ah, kool 16:49 < fenn> so katsmeow-afk are you going to be eating fish every day or do you plan to stop in at ports and buy food? 16:50 < katsmeow-afk> buy, grow, whichever works best per item 16:50 -!- chupacabra [~chupacabr@adsl-71-145-180-47.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:50 < fenn> because tap water is pretty cheap 16:50 < katsmeow-afk> so is dirty tap water 16:50 < fenn> meaning what? 16:51 < katsmeow-afk> meaning you don't know if the water you just bought is bad till you have a tank contaminated by it 16:51 < fenn> hm ok 16:51 < fenn> i guess your water supply could have other stuff in it too, like PCB's or heavy metals 16:52 < fenn> how would you know? 16:52 < katsmeow-afk> things like red tides do bother me, because the water could be deadly and be untestable, same for diseases in some localised fish popul;ations 16:52 < katsmeow-afk> evaporation leaves metals, cysts, etc behind 16:53 < fenn> PCB's and pesticides co-distill (unless you use a fractionation column) 16:53 < katsmeow-afk> and evaporated water before it hits the filters will prolong the life of reverse osmosis systems 16:53 < kanzure> fenn: lifeboat.com wants everyone and their dog on their "advisory" board 16:54 < katsmeow-afk> that is, the less contaminants the reverse osmosis sytems haveto deal with, the longer they last 16:54 < kanzure> but it never hurts to say you're on a board with xyz 16:54 < fenn> kanzure: well there's a high proportion people i've heard of and don't suck 16:55 < kanzure> sure --- Log closed Sat Jan 30 16:55:18 2010 --- Log opened Sat Jan 30 17:00:33 2010 17:00 -!- bkero [~bkero@ash.osuosl.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:00 -!- gnusha [~bryan@131.252.130.248] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- futuresoon [~futuresoo@cpe-68-175-67-66.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01 < katsmeow-afk> down to 14 servers 17:01 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 70 secs 17:04 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:04 -!- MrClif [~clif@c-67-189-76-247.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- 15SAAAADI [fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- superkuh is now known as Guest30112 17:07 < kanzure> is nickserv down? 17:07 < katsmeow-afk> it's split 17:07 < kanzure> that doesn't explain 15SAAAADI 17:08 < katsmeow-afk> fenn may know 17:18 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:07 < kanzure> i like this: 18:08 < kanzure> http://buzzdev.org/download/Other/Music/TakeMeHigher_by_buzz_lightyear.rar 18:08 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/music/buzz_lightyear/TakeMeHigher_by_buzz_lightyear.rar 18:11 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:11 < kanzure> "hi bryan, i am a member of your diybio mailing list" heh 18:12 < kanzure> http://synbi.org/ 18:18 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-233.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:19 < genehacker> http://www.edutube.org/en/video/solid-lighter-air-seagel-aerogel 18:21 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAgel 18:22 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:22 < QuantumG> and that secret program the video was alluding to? Mockingbird. 18:26 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-233.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:27 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:30 -!- flamt [~root@74.13.33.181] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:00 < ybit> http://www.foresightlinux.org/five-reasons-to-use-foresight-linux/ 19:01 < ybit> http://wiki.rpath.com/wiki/Conary 19:01 < ybit> would be nice to see ubuntu incorporate something like this by default 19:06 < ybit> http://www.nexenta.org/os/TransactionalZFSUpgrades 19:20 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-233.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:20 < genehacker> the secret program was mockingbird 19:20 < genehacker> cool 19:40 < kanzure> does anyone have Harris Perlman's latest Arthritis & Rheumatism paper on BH3 mimetics and Bim? 20:09 -!- Guest30112 [~hukrepus@c-24-245-50-49.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: The action potential is an electrical manipulation of reversible abrupt phase changes in the lipid bilayer of neurons.] 20:11 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:30 -!- bkero [~bkero@ash.osuosl.org] has quit [Changing host] 20:30 -!- bkero [~bkero@osuosl/staff/bkero] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:48 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-233.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:03 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:26 < kanzure> i'm trying to get openkollab to fund pinkarmy 21:27 < kanzure> and through this have an application of open source hardware.. 21:35 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-39-233.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:42 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:44 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:59 -!- thesnark [~thesnark@cblmdm24-53-143-75.buckeyecom.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:59 < kanzure> hello thesnark 21:59 < thesnark> hey kanzure 21:59 < kanzure> anything new? 21:59 < thesnark> yeah, we bought the emotiv for hardware 21:59 < kanzure> ew 21:59 < kanzure> why 21:59 < thesnark> because it's a matter of rewriting firmware instead of developing a whole system 21:59 < kanzure> how's it doing? 22:00 < kanzure> how many channels? 22:00 < thesnark> well we ordered it today 22:00 < thesnark> 16 22:00 < kanzure> ah 22:00 < thesnark> but it turns out 22:00 < thesnark> the reason the emotiv is a pos right now is because the devs locked the ability to get raw data from the device 22:00 < kanzure> hm 22:00 < thesnark> but if we rewrite firmware for this one chip 22:00 < thesnark> we can get raw data from it 22:01 < thesnark> we already have the programmer and SDK for the chip 22:01 < thesnark> fyi "mouse emulator" is an emotiv app 22:01 < kanzure> PIC? AVR? 22:01 < thesnark> it's a pic 22:02 < thesnark> so I don't think focussing on one screen with the eeg should even necessarily be difficult 22:02 < thesnark> I think it will be very doable 22:02 -!- skbohra [~skbohra@117.199.116.106] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:02 < kanzure> hello skbohra 22:02 < skbohra> kanzure: hello 22:02 < kanzure> what brings you around? 22:02 < skbohra> I am an engineering student, interested in open hardware stuff 22:03 < kanzure> excellent 22:03 < kanzure> your biological and technological distinguishments will be assimilated and added to our own 22:03 < thesnark> haha 22:03 < kanzure> i'm serious :( 22:03 < skbohra> lol :D 22:03 < thesnark> serious or not, it's funny 22:04 < kanzure> :) 22:04 < skbohra> i am kind of scared 22:04 -!- skbohra [~skbohra@117.199.116.106] has quit [Changing host] 22:04 -!- skbohra [~skbohra@unaffiliated/skbohra] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:05 < skbohra> kanzure: what you people talk about here ? 22:05 < genehacker> don't worry, the assimilation process is (mostly) painless 22:05 < genehacker> what type of engineering 22:06 < genehacker> ME here 22:06 < skbohra> Information Technology 22:06 < kanzure> skbohra: transhuman tech, open source hardware, diybio, world domination 22:06 < skbohra> perfect 22:06 < thesnark> kanzure once you possess the world, what will you do with it? 22:06 < genehacker> have you heard of the Gada prize? 22:07 < kanzure> to be honest i didn't think i'd get that far 22:07 < kanzure> so, uhh 22:09 < genehacker> http://www.foresight.org/gadaprize.php 22:09 < genehacker> I want to form a team to win it 22:10 < thesnark> hah, I wonder if IRC is the right place to do that :) 22:10 < kanzure> hahah $20k 22:10 < kanzure> if you build it, it's worth whatever you want.. 22:29 < kanzure> has anyone seen this? 22:29 < kanzure> http://www.vestergaard-frandsen.com/lifestraw.htm 22:30 < katsmeow-afk> yeas 22:31 < katsmeow-afk> once clogged with the mud floating in the water, they are waste 22:33 -!- thesnark [~thesnark@cblmdm24-53-143-75.buckeyecom.net] has quit [Quit: Java user signed off] 22:34 < kanzure> http://dspace.mit.edu/handle/1721.1/32765 22:36 < kanzure> http://www.nanotech-now.com/MIT-release-09302003.htm 22:36 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:37 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:46 < kanzure> dave knows these peeps: http://dnatrix.com/ 22:46 < kanzure> sounds like pinkarmy without the open source fanboyism 22:48 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by 15SAAAADI))] 22:48 -!- 15SAAAADI is now known as fenn 22:49 < kanzure> so.. where did that nick come from 22:49 < fenn> 17:05 [freenode] -!- 15SAAAADI Nick collision, forcing nick change to your unique ID 22:50 < fenn> something to do with the netsplit or whaever that was 22:57 < superkuh> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2477708/ - "Effects of Cobalt-60 Exposure on Health of Taiwan Residents..." - "cancer mortality rate of the exposed population is only about 3 percent of the cancer mortality rate of the general public" 22:58 < katsmeow-afk> "honey, did you volunteer us for that study?" 23:01 < superkuh> ~10k sample size with no volunteers. Cobalt-60 was "serendipitous"ly mixed into recycled steel and made into 180 buildings. 23:01 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:02 < katsmeow-afk> like the uranium sold with scrap steel in he usa a few decades back 23:03 < katsmeow-afk> so was there increased medical cost associated with 3% increase in cancer deaths? 23:04 < katsmeow-afk> i seem to recall a kiln in Mexico made some clay pots for sale in the usa with radioactivity in he glaze, decades ago 23:05 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:07 -!- tarbo2 [~me@unaffiliated/tarbo] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:11 < superkuh> katsmeow-afk: No. It was a 97% decrease in cancer deaths in the irradiated population. I feel kind of foolish now though because there was a second study that invalidated the results. 23:12 < superkuh> http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all?content=10.1080/09553000601085980 23:14 < katsmeow-afk> wait,, working in an irradiated building lowered the rate of cancer deaths by 97% ? 23:15 < katsmeow-afk> [23:11] katsmeow-afk: No. It was a 97% decrease in cancer deaths in the irradiated population. <<== i do not see this in the abstract 23:17 < superkuh> Read the abstract of the faulty paper again. You misread it. 23:18 < superkuh> "On the contrary, the incidence of cancer deaths in this population was greatly reduced—to about 3 per cent of the incidence of spontaneous cancer death in the general Taiwan public." 23:21 < katsmeow-afk> we are seeing different pages, ding a word search on the page, the word "contrary" isn't present, and the word "on" appears only in the phrase "On the other hand," 23:24 < superkuh> Then you are looking at the second link? That is of the paper that pointed out the bad controls for age in the first paper and found the above discussed effect doesn't exist. 23:25 < katsmeow-afk> oh 23:26 < superkuh> Sorry for the confusion. I shouldn't have posted the first link before I finished reading. 23:26 < katsmeow-afk> np 23:26 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: Ctrl-C at console.] 23:26 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:27 < ybit> skbohra: if you would like to know what we talk about, try this.. 23:27 < ybit> !logs 23:27 < hplusbot> ybit: http://adl.serveftp.org/irclogs.txt 23:28 < skbohra> ybit: thanks 23:28 < ybit> np 23:34 -!- flamt [~root@CPE0013f7f86c36-CM0013f7f86c32.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds]