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01:55 < bkero> WTF
01:55 < bkero> Hudson explains that certain creatures are evolved to sense and manipulate mass effect much like some real-life creatures such as sharks and electric eels can sense and manipulate electromagnetism in peculiar ways. Some humans are preternaturally capable of these abilities, which can be enhanced via implants, and the trained manipulation of Mass Effect is referred to as biotics.
01:55 < bkero> kanzure: confirm/deny
01:56 < bkero> lol
01:57 < bkero> Strange.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroreception
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02:12 < QuantumG> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/gquery/?term=Electroreception
02:12 < QuantumG> enjoy
02:25 < bkero> kristianpaul: Are you involved with the Ben Nanonote?
02:26 < bkero> QuantumG: <3
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06:16 < fenn> bkero: sure you just need a high enough concentration of element zero and send an electric current through it to create the mass effect
06:16 < fenn> btw bkero you may want to look up the forward mass detector, which operates on the basis of gravity waves
06:18 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward_mass_detector#Forward_Mass_Detector
06:21 < fenn> i thought this was cool too: http://www.neurotraces.com/InPractice/sounds00/node6.html
06:54 < fenn> funny that his name is hudson, reminds me of david hudson/orme/monoatomic white gold fiasco
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08:53 < nmz787> anyone awake and not busy?
09:22 < kanzure> no
09:23 < kanzure> hm is there a .deb for python-ogre? the wiki says yes but for the life of me i can't google it from the voids
09:34 < jdugger> https://launchpad.net/~mithro/+archive/ppa
09:35 < jdugger> Supposedly include a deb for python-ogre. YMMV.
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10:36 < kanzure> pycollada http://collada.in4lines.com/
10:45 < kanzure> hm someone wants me to do a guest lecture at rutgers university
10:46 < kanzure> on open source hardware
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11:02 < Utopiah> nice
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12:02 < bkero> Sweet
12:17 < ybit> http://www.technologyreview.com/printer_friendly_article.aspx?id=22113&channel=specialsections&section=tr10 ::  "George Whitesides has created a cheap, easy-to-use diagnostic test out of paper.George Whitesides has created a cheap, easy-to-use diagnostic test out of paper. 
12:17 < ybit> www.hbs.edu/units/tom/docs/Team%2010_whitesidespaper.ppt
12:17 < ybit> http://dfa.org/resources/scientific.papers/bruzewicz.lowcost_2008.pdf
12:18 < ybit> http://video.ted.com/talks/podcast/GeorgeWhitesides_2009X.mp4
12:19 < ybit> http://www.dfa.org/resources/scientific.papers/martinez.3d.microfluidoc_2008.pdf
12:27 < ybit> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Simple%20Telemedicine%20for%20Developing%20Regions:%20Camera%20Phones%20and%20Paper-Based%20Microfluidic%20Devices%20for%20Real-Time,%20Off-Site%20Diagnosis.pdf
12:44 < ybit> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Three-dimensional%20microfluidic%20devices%20fabricated%20in%20layered%20paper%20and%20tape.pdf
12:48 < ybit> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/FLASH%20-%20A%20rapid%20method%20for%20prototyping%20paper-based%20microfluidic%20devices.pdf
13:05 < ybit> hrm, my uni started blocking me from accessing their lame excuse for journal access
13:06 < ybit> kanzure: for how long can you continue accessing papers with uta if you aren't attending?
13:12 < kanzure> :)
13:12 < kanzure> i'm still able to access with my ut authorization/login
13:13 < kanzure> but even if i'm not, designfiles.org is still on the ut network
13:13 < ybit> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Diagnostics%20for%20the%20Developing%20World%20-%20Microfluidic%20Paper-Based%20Analytical%20Devices.pdf
13:13 < ybit> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Bioactive%20paper%20provides%20a%20low-cost%20platform%20for%20diagnostics.pdf
13:13 < ybit> and that's all for the Whiteside stuff
13:13 < kanzure> hm
13:13 < ybit> there's more
13:14 < kanzure> you may be interested in this: http://designfiles.org/papers/whitesides/
13:14 < kanzure> feel free to move whitesides into there
13:14 < ybit> alright
13:14 < ybit> permission denied
13:16 < ybit> kanzure: ping
13:23 < kanzure> try now?
13:23 < kanzure> ybit: sorry :(
13:26 < ybit> okay done
13:26 < kanzure> hm: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/02/03/1722200/Next-X-Prize-mdash-10M-For-a-Brain-Computer-Interface?art_pos=3
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13:28 < ybit> yeah, that was in some email 
13:29 < kanzure> http://www.xprize.org/media-center/features/bci-x-prize-igniting-a-brain-computer-interface-revolution
13:29 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2010/01/21/igniting-a-brain-computer-interface-revolution-bci-x-prize/
13:29 < ybit> i listened to ray's video while resting sometime last week
13:29 < kanzure> "It's like offering $10 million for a cure for cancer."
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13:30 < ybit> oi genehacker 
13:30 < ybit> bastard
13:30 < ybit> :P
13:30 < genehacker> what?
13:30 < genehacker> computer is acting quite weird
13:30 < ybit> genehacker: i just recalled you didn't get your arse over to kanzure and fenn's apartment while i was visiting
13:30 < genehacker> when was that?
13:31 < ybit> december
13:31 < genehacker> oh
13:31 < ybit> it was one day event
13:31 < genehacker> I was back in plano or had finals that week
13:31 < genehacker> when you were visiting
13:31 < genehacker> sorry
13:31 < ybit> lame :)
13:32 < genehacker> hmmmm...
13:32 < ybit> genehacker: http://designfiles.org/papers/whitesides/
13:32 < ybit> and http://video.ted.com/talks/podcast/GeorgeWhitesides_2009X.mp4
13:32 < genehacker> now I wonder if winblows 7 will install over my linux partition
13:33 < genehacker> that's lame
13:33 < genehacker> you can't make microchemical factories out of paper
13:33 < genehacker> cool though
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13:41 < genehacker> hmmm... they're using wax printers
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14:19 < ybit> i'm only finding a paper from acs that was published in 2005
14:19 < ybit> http://news.discovery.com/tech/tobacco-plants-solar-cells.html
14:21 < ybit> http://wasabi.cchem.berkeley.edu//index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=46
14:23 < ybit> aha
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14:27 < ybit> http://designfiles.org/papers/unsorted/Nanoscale%20Protein%20Assemblies%20from%20a%20Circular%20Permutant%20of%20the%20Tobacco%20Mosaic%20Virus.pdf
14:31 < kanzure> ybit: maybe you should stop using 'unsorted'
14:31 < kanzure> you seem to properly name the files :p
14:31 < kanzure> "properly"
14:34 < kanzure> hm we should probably draft some standard interconnectivity specs for BCIs while we're all in here
14:35 < ybit> i'd like to eventually sort the papers by subject
14:35 < ybit> or have some type of sorting algo based on what wn deems is related
14:36 < kanzure> wordnet sucks for relatedness, i've learned
14:36 < kanzure> hypernyms just aren't good enough :(
14:37 < ybit> hrm, well something needs to do the job of sorting
14:37 < ybit> not a human brain plz
14:38 < ybit> and some way of automatically fetching all related papers after reading an email on a subject, it takes too long for me to do it  
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14:39 < ybit> hi zancas 
14:47 < ybit> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3899 :: hackbar :: Simple security audit / Penetration test tool. 
14:48 < ybit> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7597 :: "SQL Inject-Me is Firefox Extension used to test for SQL Injection vulnerabilities."
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14:58 < ybit> of course there's other tools for this, but it's interesting to see firefox add-ons for it
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15:25 < genehacker> ybit is that the tobacco mosaic solar cell thing?
15:25 < ybit> yes
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15:48 < kanzure> interesting.. all of the contract lawyers i talk with already know the name of the guy i'm going to be working for. O_o
15:48 < kanzure> is this good or bad?
15:52 < ybit> ask them
15:53 < ybit> but keep in mind how they make money too :)
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16:04 < kanzure> genehacker: RLM floor 2 is flooded with gas :/
16:04 < genehacker> WHAT?
16:04 < ybit> someone had too much fiber
16:05 < genehacker> we have a magnesium fire in ETC and now this?
16:05 < genehacker> whoa WTF
16:05 < genehacker> that's bad
16:05 < genehacker> that's like the floor the laser's on
16:05 < katsmeow-afk> fiber generates methane now?
16:05 < genehacker> what type of gas?
16:06 < kanzure> dnno
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16:06 < genehacker> how do you know this?
16:06 < genehacker> you don't go here anymore
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16:08 < genehacker> really is there some sort of alert system I'm not subscribed to or something
16:11 < genehacker> seriously we've had emergencies every day this week
16:12 < kanzure> i get safety alerts from utsafetyalert@austin.utexas.edu
16:12 < kanzure> and it's PGP signed, so i guess i should check the signature
16:12 < kanzure> but i'm pretty sure it's legit
16:12 < kanzure> unless someone /really/ doesn't want me in RLM today
16:12 < genehacker> had a fire drill on monday, a magnesium fire in the ETC, and siren test today in the cafeteria
16:13 < kanzure> they always do siren tests on the first wednesday of the month
16:13 < kanzure> there's a pattern
16:13 < genehacker> yeah I knew that
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16:16 < genehacker> damn hope the laser and laser people are ok
16:18 < kanzure> banking fraud? http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1536056&cid=31015620 not sure how to actually extract the money
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16:21 < kanzure> http://lwn.net/Articles/372419/ android and the linux kernel community
16:32 < kanzure> ugh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_hacking_incident
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16:35 < genehacker> seems to me like a petty little hack that's been vastly overblown
16:38 < genehacker> but I for one think the best approach to climate change might be geoengineering at this point...
16:43 < kanzure> a lot of people ignore geoengineering for some reason
16:43 < kanzure> or terraforming
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16:48 < ybit> biological cybnertics papers dump please
16:48  * ybit slaps hplusbot 
16:50 < kanzure> cybnertics huh
16:50 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/Biology/neuro/
16:50 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/books/papers/neuro/
16:50 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/
16:51 < ybit> i just ran a simulation in pybrainsim which is modeled after http://www.springerlink.com/content/j352u522l650pq22/
16:51 < ybit> i keep grabbing papers from it, might as well do what you did with nature
16:51 < kanzure> rape them?
16:51 < ybit> yep
16:52 < ybit> it's kind of neat to see that the nautre dump was 66gb
16:52 < kanzure> hm i thought it was 40something GB
16:52 < ybit> that's a lot of text
16:52 < kanzure> well a lot of the old shit is just images
16:53 < ybit> the tarball is 34G, its contents is 66G
16:53 < ybit> wait
16:54 < ybit> 35G
16:54 < kanzure> huh.
16:55 < ybit> heh, i had tossed the nature.tar into the folder before checking its size
16:55 < ybit> i need mice to experiment with
16:55 < kanzure> i can get you some
16:56 < kanzure> how many do you want
16:56 < ybit> awesome, for how much?
16:56 < kanzure> i can only give you a minimum of 4
16:56 < kanzure> um, not sure. i think it should be under $100 though
16:56 < ybit> i wouldn't want less
16:56 < kanzure> they are very social :)
16:57 < ybit> i'll hit you up in a couple of months when i'm settled into my r.v.
17:02 < ybit> anyone in here with a PS3?
17:02 < ybit> http://sourceforge.net/projects/bdv-cell/
17:02 < ybit> that's optimized to run on ps3
17:04 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/text/Design_of_Machine_Elements.pdf
17:04 < ybit> http://ybit.ath.cx/text/The_Book_of_Genesis_-_Exploring_Realistic_Neural_Models_with_the_GEneral_NEural_SImulations_System.pdf
17:05 < ybit> ignore design of machine elements
17:27 < ybit> jdugger: you seem to be into scheduling a lot, how much flexibility do you allow? personally, i've found that allowing myself flexibility helps in actually accomplishing tasks
17:29 < kanzure> i are robot http://heybryan.org/todo.html
17:29 < kanzure> "TAKE SHOWER"
17:29 < kanzure> "PISS"
17:29 < ybit> i see those nowhere!
17:29 < ybit> you are no robot!
17:29  * ybit cries
17:29 < kanzure> i see 'shower' a few times
17:30 < ybit> you actually shower after running, that's weird ;)
17:31 < ybit> well, i've been looking into scheduling out what to do in order to become an expert in neuroscience
17:31 < kanzure> 1) assimilate ed boyden
17:31 < kanzure> 2) ???
17:31 < ybit> 3) piss
17:32 < ybit> 1 hr, 1hr there, blah. it doesn't work like that for me, i'm just going with 1hr topic-of-choice in the general area
17:32 < ybit> and do it within these 3 or 4 hours
17:32 < ybit> 10k seems to be too much
17:33 < kanzure> 10k?
17:33 < ybit> 10000 hours
17:33 < ybit> of course, i'll eventually spend that much on the subject
17:33 < ybit> but you don't even spend 1k getting a doctorate
17:34 < kanzure> what is an "expert"
17:34 < ybit> well, the book i linked to yesterday tries to define it
17:34 < kanzure> yawn
17:34 < ybit> isn't it time for you shower or something?
17:34 < kanzure> todo.html was very unhealthy for me
17:34 < kanzure> i've been off that crack for a few years now
17:35 < ybit> how was it unhealthy, in 140 characters or less :)
17:35 < kanzure> in the words of lion kimbro, "this will kill you"
17:35 < ybit> that works
17:35 < ybit> afk
17:36 < kanzure> http://www.speakeasy.org/~lion/nb/html/doc011.html
17:50 < kanzure> i can't believe i just asked ben goertzel that 
17:51 < kanzure> "so, hey, are the chinese familiar with the chinese room problem?"
18:19 -!- Overand is now known as Onomatopoeia
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18:20 -!- Overand is now known as Heteronormative
18:21 -!- Heteronormative is now known as Overand
18:30 -!- Overand is now known as Heteroabnormal
18:31 -!- Heteroabnormal is now known as Overand
18:54 < fenn> antidisestablishmentarian
19:31  * fenn trudges through info about running OpenCV on the beagleboard DSP
19:32 < kanzure> huh has it been done already?
19:35 < fenn> not afaik; closest i see is http://www.hbrobotics.org/wiki/index.php5/Beagle_Board#Using_the_BeagleBoard.27s_DSP_for_vision_processing
19:46 < kanzure> http://crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/SingularityStudies.pdf
19:59 < jdugger> Sorry, ybit, I just woke up.
20:00 < fenn> "yep you're obese, the machine says so"  http://healthwise-everythinghealth.blogspot.com/2010/01/obesity-body-scan.html
20:00 < fenn> i love these CT scans
20:01 < jdugger> I don't know about "being into scheduling," but I do use a calendar to track reoccuring tasks, or tasks with deadlines.
20:03 < jdugger> I take notes and review them daily. This provides a history--a useful reference in its own right, and it helps insure nothing gets forgotten.
20:05 < jdugger> Spending too much time fiddling with a time management system traps you. As kanzure wrote "i've been off that crack for a few years now".
20:07 < jdugger> If I get three important things done at work and at least two important things done at home each weekday, I feel satisified.
20:07 < kanzure> you count one thing two thing three thing happy?
20:07 < kanzure> does "go to the bathroom" become a thing?
20:07 < kanzure> just wondering
20:07 < jdugger> No. 
20:08 < jdugger> "That's fixed," "That's troubleshot to the lowest-replaceable unit," "That's correctly set,"--I got a good day's work done.
20:09 < jdugger> Rather coarse resolution, but it works for me. Managing time's a tool, not a stressor. :)
20:10 < jdugger> "Cleaned my home," "Worked on project X," "Worked on project Y,"--go to work satisfied.
20:15 < jdugger> If something important has a fixed deadline, I tend to schedule in finer detail, perhaps down to the half hour.
20:19 < jdugger> The only non-obvious technique I ever found useful was to write down what you did, when you started, when you finished, down to the minute, as you did it, for two weeks.
20:20 < jdugger> Every time I've done that  I find it improves my ability to estimate task length, and it identifies time sinks.
20:20 < jdugger> Such as twitter, IRC, ... ;)
20:20 < fenn> jdugger: why did you find that useful, and why two weeks?
20:20 < jdugger> Two weeks covered a long enough period of time to capture long-term variations and widely spaced events.
20:21 < fenn> besides identifying time sinks and estimating tasks, did you learn anything else?
20:21 < jdugger> At work, this might mean two weekly meetings for example. At home, it might mean oh, laundry day or grocery shopping.
20:22 < jdugger> Yes. I found I used time sinks to pad the work day and to avoid unpleasant tasks.
20:22 < jdugger> Some made very plausible excuses, some did not.
20:22 < fenn> and what's the result of learning this? did you apply it somehow?
20:22 < jdugger> This helped later when I had to manage others, because I already knew what excuses to reject.
20:22 < fenn> ah
20:23  * fenn looks around for some henchmen to manage
20:23 < jdugger> Yes. I can much more accurately estimate task length than most co-workers, and I can demonstrate that accuracy from a written record.
20:23 < fenn> kanzure: by my timekeeping records you should be spending at least 16x more time on each email
20:23 < jdugger> This makes less popular, since it keeps me patronizing my supervisor to the extent politeness requires.
20:24 < jdugger> Email's a big time sink. If you don't have time to write, just press delete. :)
20:24 < jdugger> </lecture>
20:24 < fenn> i barely have time to read and i'm not even employed
20:24 < jdugger> Thank you all for indulging me as I slipped into lecture mode.
20:24 < jdugger> ?
20:25 < fenn> no it is quite topical
20:25 < jdugger> Man, that's one of unemployment's great joys!
20:25 < fenn> all the free time? *laugh*
20:25 < jdugger> No, no, I'm surprised at that problem.
20:26 < jdugger> You have my attention, fenn, if you want to give details. If not, that's okay too. :)
20:26 < fenn> well anyway if you haven't seen this yet you might find it interesting: http://fennetic.net/sleep/
20:27 < jdugger> I see that graph, but what does it show?
20:27 < fenn> jdugger: unlike focused specialists working with blinders on, i have free reign over the whole world of interesting news, science, technology, development efforts etc
20:27 < fenn> so it takes a lot more time to integrate all that
20:27 < fenn> i never learned how to ignore an entire field
20:28 < fenn> the closest i can do is just shut out everything
20:28 < fenn> sorta like time traveling
20:35 < jdugger> You asked a very good question when you wrote, "and what's the result of learning this? did you apply it somehow?" 
20:36 < jdugger> I often have that problem. How do I integrate a result/tool/idea/learning, instead of just allowing it to dissipate.
20:36 < jdugger> Capturing enough useful work for the waste heat it made, if you like.
20:37 < fenn> well, that's what 50 people asked me at the quantified self meetup, and i had no good answer
20:38 < fenn> i'd like to think that it's because i never applied any statistical methods to find unexpected patterns, but in reality it's probably just that i lack self discipline
20:38  * fenn wonders if there's an app/pill for that
20:38 < fenn> (and not ECT)
20:39 < fenn> often integration is the result of repetition/practice
20:40 < fenn> you have to pick and choose what to practice, you can't do everything :(
20:41 < jdugger> Yes! I keep an ever-extending list of "Someday-Perhaps" projects...things cool to do that I just can't do now. 
20:41 < jdugger> Such as build a STM.
20:44 < kanzure> http://cstart.org/ more on open source space stuff
20:44 < kanzure> oh wait, might not be open source
20:45 < kanzure> oh yay they GPL their bullshit.
20:53 < fenn> apart from their superior web presentation skills, how is this not openvirgle?
20:54 < kanzure> people don't do their research
20:54 < kanzure> also, it started from a reddit thread so that makes it automatically better? or something
20:56 < fenn> meh
20:56 < fenn> off/me goes to tokyo subway
21:11 < superkuh> http://fennetic.net/sleep/ is nice. I am going to convert all my saved data into it's format.
21:12 < jdugger> superkuh, what does his graph show?
21:14 < superkuh> I assume it is an actogram (activity diagram) of arbitrary categories of activity over time. The category_colors hash (?) lists things like "sleep" and "code".
21:14 < jdugger> Thank you, superkuh.
21:16 < superkuh> How long have you had that page up for, fenn?
21:17 < kanzure> a few years
21:17 < superkuh> I wasted a lot of time.
21:19 < kanzure> yes it's an actogram
21:19 < kanzure> hm there's more up there
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21:56 < jdugger> Hmm...the raw data interests more.
22:08 < ybit> 1625 1648 fight sd-card
22:08 < ybit> fenn: you had a fight with an sd card, huh? :)
22:08 < ybit> jdugger: thatnks for the comments
22:08 < fenn> kicked its ass too
22:10 < ybit> fenn: what is white? i don't see it in category_colors
22:12 < ybit> from about june 09 to about aug 09 there's more of it
22:12 < fenn> white is stuff i dont have any color for yet
22:12 < kanzure> heh
22:12 < fenn> jun-aug is me working in campbell's lab, i haven't colored "work"
22:12 < kanzure> what's the color of "soulcrushing"?
22:13 < ybit> arpparently white ;)
22:13 < fenn> i wouldnt call that soul crushing work
22:13 < kanzure> racist :(
22:13 < kanzure> <-- kidding
22:13 < ybit> :P
22:13 < fenn> it's actually transparent, not white
22:13 < fenn> but you racists can't tell the difference
22:13 < ybit> :D
22:22 < ybit> kanzure: are you just making it around to reading some emails?
22:22 < ybit> you keep bringing up stuff from about a week ago
22:23 < ybit> i keep looking up videos that are 2 years old
22:24 < ybit> or more
22:24 < ybit> i'm fetching all the cognitive neurosci almaden talks
22:30 < jdugger> fenn, the actogram impresses much more now that I've seen the raw data.
22:30 < jdugger> impresses me, rather.
22:32 < kanzure> ybit: no i'm not reading old emails
22:32 < kanzure> although recently i have been doing better at reading 1-day old emails
22:33 < kanzure> jdugger: most people need to see pretty colors to understand things.. i learned that the hard way with skdb
22:33 < kanzure> actually i haven't learned that lesson yet
22:33 < kanzure> don't listen to me
22:34 < jdugger> kanzure, I have the pending project to scan all my dead-tree books. I need to build a book scanner to do this.
22:34 < jdugger> I can't afford the commerical models that actually work.
22:34 < kanzure> are you willing to de-bind the books?
22:34 < jdugger> Does skdb have enough maturity to support theis kind of hardware project?
22:35 < kanzure> i'd say so, yes
22:35 < jdugger> I.e., I want to make skdb packages, and not write an Instructale.
22:35 < jdugger> able, even.
22:35 < kanzure> but it doesn't have the parts for this project
22:35 < ybit> ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
22:35 < ybit> ah
22:35 < kanzure> i mean, right now you can't just say "combine scanner with paper feeder, done"
22:35 < kanzure> because there's no scanner package, etc.
22:35 < kanzure> so as long as you understand that, you're good
22:35 < jdugger> Right.
22:35 < jdugger> Well, let me think on that.
22:36 < jdugger> I have to do more planning before I bend metal, so to speak.
22:37 < jdugger> Coming in as a naive end user, I think the book scanner project would serve as a consistent set of examples for skdb documentation.
22:38 < jdugger> Anyhow, time to commute.
22:38 < kanzure> yep
22:38 < kanzure> i agree
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23:50 < ybit> universal studios taking advantage of augmented reality
23:50 < ybit> http://www.harrypotter3d.com/
23:57 < fenn> blegh
23:57 < ybit> or of our current version of it..
23:57 < fenn> i was playing with that last week, it rather blows
23:58 < ybit> yep, nothing new there
23:58 < fenn> i'm disappointed that fiducial tracking is the extent of most people's understanding of AR