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09:29 < kanzure> lego empire? http://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/4100/myg2001.19e/0_381ce_f6667180_L.jpg
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09:50 < Utopiah> http://www.plus8star.com/ "innovation arbitrage" any other import/export online company focusing (hopefuly) on hitech?
10:13 < Utopiah> http://ignite.oreilly.com/ ?
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10:40 < branstrom> ybit: My iMac is at 2.8 GHz, 4 GB, 1 TB
10:40 < branstrom> glad to see that 4 GB is becoming standard
10:44 < kanzure> when did laptops start getting more than 1GB of RAM?
10:45 < JayDugger1> A few years ago.
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10:48 < kanzure> i've been seeing laptops with 6GB
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10:57 < flamt> http://ansistego.sf.net/critterdrug-use-32-32.telepaths-profile-for-fire-anim-with-critters.tar.gz
10:57 < ybit> so google wave is now google buzz?
10:57 < flamt> disperse/disrepse added
10:57 < ybit> branstrom: nice
10:58 < ybit> my netbook: http://www.netbookchoice.com/2009/11/09/acer-aspire-1410-dual-core-review-roundup/
10:58 < ybit> it apparently isn't a netbook, thought it's lighter than some netbooks
10:59 < ybit> if i ever expand the memory to 4gb, i'll go 64bit
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11:00 < ybit> oi xApple 
11:00 < xApple> hi there : )
11:01 < xApple> I'm back from my vacations
11:01 < ybit> right, how was it?
11:01 < xApple> How are things going here ? ^^
11:01 < xApple> It was very nice
11:01 < ybit> was it your first time to amsterdam?
11:01 < xApple> Lots of walking
11:01 < xApple> We measured about 30'000 steps
11:01 < xApple> or 37 km in one weekend.
11:01 < ybit> wow, i wouldn't last :P
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11:03 < ybit> xApple: things are going as planned here, we are about to take over the world again tonight
11:03 < xApple> : )
11:03 < xApple> What means are you going to use this time ? 
11:04 < ybit> kanzure is brewing something in his underground lab me thinks
11:04 < xApple> It won't explode, will it ?
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11:05 < ybit> tomorrow night, the world shall probably see why it is that QuantumG was searching for the paper "Human space exploration in "Earth's neighborhood" - Strategy and architectural approach Joosten, B K, (2001)
11:05 < xApple> Space exploration huh
11:06 < ybit> xApple: i don't think we are in a position to give details right now ;)
11:06 < xApple> Only rocks out there, nah ?
11:06 < ybit> you've spent too much time in amsterdam ;)
11:06 < xApple> Hehe
11:07 < xApple> You want to make Mars into a computer, to get enough flops for an atomic scale simulation of the human brain ?
11:08 < ybit> sounds a lot like mooonbrains, though i haven't read Neverness to find out
11:09 < ybit> xApple: the book in txt format: http://heybryan.org/docs/Zindell,%20David%20-%20Neverness%20%28v1.0%29.txt
11:10 < xApple> Fiction in 2929
11:10 < xApple> Hope we will get there before : )
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13:17 < ybit> "Doctors have found a way to communicate with some patients in a vegetative state." :: http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMoa0905370
13:18 < ybit> the quantified life :: http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/health-medicine/self-tracking-quantified-life-worth-living
13:23 < ybit> "Intel Lifts the Hood on its "Single-Chip Cloud Computer [A 48-core prototype processor]" :: http://spectrum.ieee.org/semiconductors/processors/intel-lifts-the-hood-on-its-singlechip-cloud-computer
13:24 < ybit> lifehacker's rundown of google buzz: http://lifehacker.com/5467841/google-buzz-explained
13:31 < flamt> making a video of elective substrate mode
13:31 < flamt> ~ 4000 fps
13:35 < ybit> "How to Set Up a Chem Lab" :: http://www.wired.com/video/how-to-set-up-a-chem-lab/13798590001
13:40 < ybit> "Google Wave in Action: Real-World Use Case Studies" :: http://integral.virishi.net/google_wave_action_real-world_use_case_studies
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13:45 < genehacker> so apparently they trust undergrads with the electron beam litho machines here...
13:47 < ybit> why not
13:47 < ybit> citation mapping: http://isiwebofknowledge.com/products_tools/multidisciplinary/webofscience/citmap/
13:48 < ybit> the chemistry set recommeded in the wired article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCILYs9PiFM
13:48 < ybit> amazon link to it: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00007B8M6/ref=asc_df_B00007B8M61026321?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=googlecom09c9-20&linkCode=asn&creative=380341&creativeASIN=B00007B8M6
13:48 < ybit> a lot better than the one i had when i was younger
13:49 < ybit> "Proposal to extend DNS with Peer to Peer server-independence" :: http://www.advogato.org/article/1033.html
13:50 < ybit> and that's all the links for today, there were several more interesting fMRI studies, but i'll spare everyone
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15:36 < ybit> okay, i have to post this
15:38 < ybit> google planning on offering 1 gigabit/sec to homes in certain u.s. cities: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/02/think-big-with-gig-our-experimental.html 
15:42 < fenn> nike robo parkour http://youtube.com/watch?v=QbiiiK4PU60
15:43 < genehacker> it's not a real robot...
15:44 < fenn> what? i've been lied to! damn you, multinational megacorp!
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16:26 < kanzure> hm it seems the writing-30-emails-per-day method doesn't scale
16:27 < kanzure> does anyone know how keywordspy.com works? what are they "spying" on?
16:27 < kanzure> i mean, what data are they aggregating
16:32 < fenn> god what a terrible flash slideshow thingy
16:37 < kanzure> fenn: i will be forwarding you an email from meredith of late
16:37 < kanzure> she recommends a 'deconstructable' package or object that generically represents something not presently in skdb
16:37 < kanzure> i don't know how i feel about it yet
16:38 < fenn> forward away
16:38 < kanzure> sent
16:39 < kanzure> i haven't sent it to om yet since, if it is a good idea, it doesn't seem too hard to implement
16:39 < kanzure> so might as well hack it out before spamming everyone about it
16:45 < kanzure> hm i seem to have met someone claiming to be tubgirl
16:47 < fenn> "Even the naming of branches of science will exceed the velocity of our lips to mumble them."
16:52 < fenn> "Soon we will have exceedingly rich exactly appropriate metadata attached to all things.  The world will become a barrage of infinite recursion, any object becoming the subject of a mesmerizing gaze.  We’ll walk down the street and see people frozen, gasping at the unbelievable complexity of the label on an ice-cream bar; everything will become an Aleph One object."
17:01 < kanzure> ugh
17:01 < kanzure> i am not amused
17:01 < kanzure> nor aroused
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17:03 < fenn> heh gary wolf was telling me about this "entirely rational man", kind of how i feel most of the time: http://audio.wnyc.org/radiolab/radiolab111408b.mp3
17:04 < kanzure> didn't you meet gary.. like a month ago?
17:04 < fenn> another data point in favor of the 'ben is brain damaged' hypothesis
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18:03 < kanzure> wtf? i have a conference call with the CEO of "nutrisystem for men" next week
18:05 < genehacker> huh?
18:05 < genehacker> why?
18:07 < kanzure> something about biohacking
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19:05 < kanzure> "In God We Trust; From Everyone Else, We Need Source Code."
19:06 < katsmeow-afk> "In God We Trust, But I have Dogs and Guns Anyhow"
19:07 < kanzure> oh, it's a derivative of something older. :( oh well
19:09 < Utopiah> "In God We Trust, everybody else pays cash"
19:10 < katsmeow-afk> that's it
19:29 < bkero> kanzure: are you some sort of industry expert now?
19:29 < kanzure> why do you ask
19:29 < kanzure> what industry?
19:29 < bkero> conference call ceo stuff
19:29 < bkero> no idea the industry
19:29 < kanzure> i steal ideas from fenn and advertize them as my own
19:29 < kanzure> it's a well known fact
19:30 < kanzure> fenn: hi!
19:30 < kanzure> truthfully i don't know wtf is going on
19:30 < kanzure> bkero: do you have any interest in attending some blacksmithing hackerspace type bullshit in your area?
19:30 < kanzure> one of the mentors of a FIRST robotics team does blacksmithing in your area
19:31 < kanzure> http://members.peak.org/~abrown/
19:31 < kanzure> oops i meant http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/
19:40 < kanzure> http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14374954?nclick_check=1 heh, cookie stuffing
19:48 < fenn> i like to stuff my cookies with chocolate
19:49 < fenn> hard to see why that is illegal
19:51 < kanzure> i can see why a lot of people are angry
19:51 < kanzure> it's because they overwrite other people's cookies and steal their monies (their affiliate percentage)
19:51 < kanzure> but this could be happening naturally if a cookie is reset multiple times :p
19:51 < kanzure> anyway i imagine that's why ebay can only do a cease and desist letter
19:56 < katsmeow-afk> that urls goes to https://secure.passport.mnginteractive.com/mngi/servletDispatch/ErightsPassportServlet.dyn?url=http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_14374954?nclick_check=1&forced=true which i can't get by
19:57 < kanzure> huh
19:58 < kanzure> i wouldn't trust it. it has the word 'servlet' in the url
19:59 < katsmeow-afk> and "passport"
19:59 < katsmeow-afk> and "interactive"
19:59 < kanzure> and "secure"
19:59 < kanzure> and ".dyn"
19:59 < kanzure> and "click_checked=1&forced=true"
19:59 < kanzure> in fact, everything
19:59 < katsmeow-afk> on so many levels, i just cannot get by it
20:02 < katsmeow-afk> question: i routinely delete the cookies, etags, and flash cookies, like multiple times a day,, am i causing an illegal kink in themoney flow by not having the cookies of legit affilates?
20:03 < kanzure> do you buy anything over the internet?
20:03 < katsmeow-afk> sadly, yeas
20:03 < kanzure> what do you mean by 'illegal'
20:03 < kanzure> the only time you're being affiliated marketed is when someone gives you an opinion and a cookie on a product, and a link to it or something
20:04 < katsmeow-afk> i cannot buy a darned thing here irl related to decent drugs, computers or parts, or electronics, or high performance mechanical parts
20:04 < kanzure> if you go straight to amazon.com, you're not being affiliated marketed or whatever
20:05 < katsmeow-afk> so if a legal affiliate plants a cookie, and i deleted it, and got to,, say ebay, and buy something, and the deleted cookie stops them from getting a commision, i am not doing anything illegal? good!
20:05 < kanzure> you're not doing anything illegal, right
20:06 < kanzure> however, please gimme teh commissionz?
20:07 < katsmeow-afk> sorry, yo can't prove i got the cookie, with or without my inherent approval when i used your site :-P
20:08 < kanzure> you're spending the same money in the end though
20:08 < katsmeow-afk> holy freaking cowpies : The average day I send 1400-2000 clicks to ebay via these links to the EPN. Thursday of last week I received a termination letter stating that they I was removed for cookie stuffing, and my last months revenue was being disposed of ($8743.48) and this months current pay was also being removed ($2684.00).
20:10 < kanzure> heh
20:10 < kanzure> yeah we're talking some high numbers
20:11 < katsmeow-afk> .....Two people I know from another admin site were just canned as well for "cookie stuffing" One guy was making on average $7200 per month... 
20:11 < katsmeow-afk> sheeeet
20:22 < kanzure> stalk: barton c. massey
20:23 < kanzure> aha, bart@cs.pdx.edu
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20:31 < kanzure> peter thiel paid a visit to livly.org
20:41 < MrClif> Hi Gang, Looks like We're getting together for pizza again this Friday here in Eugene OR. :-)
20:41 < kanzure> MrClif: stalk down: http://brown.armoredpenguin.com/~abrown/
20:41 < kanzure> fenn: james suggests when i talk with people who are not in the know, i describe skdb with the word "advisement" or "advisor"
20:42 < fenn> huh?
20:43 < fenn> is "advisement" even a word?
20:44 < QuantumG> sure is.
20:45 < katsmeow-afk> yeas
20:45 < katsmeow-afk> you take things under it
20:45 < kanzure> dictionary fail
20:48 < MrClif> Hey kanzure, is Allen the blacksmith guy you mentioned above?
20:48 < kanzure> yes
20:48 < MrClif> Cool how long have you known him?
20:49 < kanzure> 46 hours
20:49 < MrClif> Cool....
20:54 < fenn> skdb is a software system
20:55 < kanzure> people don't understand
20:55 < fenn> advisement is something invovled with lawyers
20:55 < kanzure> oh?
20:55 < kanzure> well nevermind then
20:55 < kanzure> "advising people on what to use to make stuff"
20:55 < fenn> blah
20:57 < fenn> how the heck do i access the 4 microphones on this playstation eye webcam
20:57 < katsmeow-afk> we guarantee this may have no application for your purposes, please buy it
21:06 < kanzure> hm why is the lifeboat foundation tweeting about our youtube video
21:18 < fenn> probably because they just googlestalked me (poorly i might add)
21:18 < fenn> is it common to write your own biography blurb?
21:19 < fenn> i remember when scenes like this took weeks to render in pov-ray: http://www.speedtree.com/gallery/images/img450b1cf8ebb88.jpg
21:19 < fenn> that's a game engine
21:20 < fenn> http://www.speedtree.com/gallery/images/img450b1d04493ca.jpg
21:21 < QuantumG> yeah, speedtree really know their niche.
21:25 < kanzure> fenn: yes, self-biographies are just another way of self-masturbation
21:26 < QuantumG> ... now self eulogies..
21:27 < kanzure> fenn: all of those blurbs on lifeboat.com are written by the person they are about :/
21:28 < fenn> wow the video version of those trees is even cooler http://www.elderscrolls.com/downloads/redirect.php?fol=&fil=ob_chap2us.wmv
21:29 < fenn> sorry it's not an actual link
21:29 < kanzure> :(
21:32 < fenn> the swordplay leaves a bit to be desired
21:32 < kanzure> what did you think of meredith's email?
21:34 < fenn> er, um, /me reads it
21:36  * katsmeow-afk reminds fenn that fenn reminded her that using /me in a sentence doesn't make it become the user's nick
21:37 < katsmeow-afk> and yep, i still do it too
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22:13 < kanzure> fenn: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleine-Levin_syndrome
22:16 < QuantumG> http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/industry/4337757.html  skip to the video
22:16 < kanzure> just interesting.
22:17 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-24-hour_sleep-wake_syndrome  http://www.supermemo.com/articles/sleep.htm  http://www.supermemo.com/articles/sleepchart.htm
22:22 < fenn> hm. 45 minutes per email, i'm improving!
22:24  * fenn reminds katsmeow-afk that sometimes fenn uses /me as a shorthand for third person self-referential snarkiness
22:26 < fenn> kanzure: i dont have KLS
22:26 < JayDugger1> fenn, Have you a graph to record and demonstrate this improvement in minutes/email? :)
22:26 < JayDugger1> kanzure, I'll review the Open Source Hardware Business Models later this week.
22:27 < JayDugger1> You added many links to the document. I can't tell which should get used as references, and which should get used as placemarkers for later import.
22:27 < fenn> non-24 syndrome sounds like a symptom with multiple possible causes
22:28 < JayDugger1> I can add a references section to the document, but if I move links then I risk misplacing them.
22:28 < fenn> JayDugger1: i can generate one i guess
22:28 < kanzure> fenn: thanks for the email
22:29 < kanzure> JayDugger1: the lists of links may be moved without damage
22:29 < fenn> i am sort of amazed anyone still cares about skdb
22:29 < JayDugger1> Good enough.
22:29 < kanzure> fenn: oh?
22:29 < kanzure> fenn: we have funding
22:29 < kanzure> that's reason enough, no?
22:29 < kanzure> from their point of view
22:29 < fenn> i mean after years of vaporware and incessant publicity without any results
22:29 < kanzure> heh
22:29 < kanzure> o right
22:29 < fenn> its like duke nukem 4
22:29 < JayDugger1> Does your patron allow mentioning its name?
22:29 < kanzure> not the patron's name, no
22:29 < JayDugger1> No worries.
22:30 < JayDugger1> Time to commute.
22:30 < fenn> if you want to hire bengladeshi children to describe the junk heap they live in, that'd be cool
22:30 < kanzure> i offered to give some money for your wearable, but you never took it
22:30 < fenn> you did?
22:30 < JayDugger1> Good night, all.
22:30 < kanzure> -_-
22:30 < kanzure> night JayDugger1 
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22:30 < fenn> well, you can start by mailing my red sparkfun box here
22:30 < fenn> or just buy me new chips :3
22:31 < kanzure> red sparkfun box?
22:31 < kanzure> is :3 zoidberg?
22:31 < fenn> you've checked the mailbox in the last 3 months or so, yes?
22:31 < kanzure> um
22:31 < kanzure> uhh
22:31 < kanzure> yes but nothing red came
22:33 < fenn> hey is there like a funding budget i can submit items to for consideration?
22:33 < kanzure> yes but i'll probably approve anything you send me
22:33 < fenn> even "toys"?
22:33 < kanzure> i won't buy you barbie dolls
22:33 < fenn> damn!
22:34 < kanzure> i know :(
22:34 < fenn> how about a realdoll hydraulics retrofit project
22:34 < kanzure> what would it involve
22:35 < fenn> er.. a lot of stuff
22:36 < fenn> and years of research, probably
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22:36 < fenn> anyway the point was i can buy bare chips from sparkfun for like 25% of the price of a "ready to go" module
22:36 < kanzure> yeah?
22:36 < fenn> so the question is how much discretion should i use
22:37 < kanzure> discretion in what?
22:37 < fenn> like i can get a nRF24L01 for $4 or the breadboardable module for $25
22:37 < kanzure> go ahead
22:37 < kanzure> i especially like cheap things that pack a lot of punch
22:37 < kanzure> but that's just because i'm used to assuming i'm broke
22:38 < fenn> ok cool, this stuff adds up quick
22:38 < kanzure> fooey, that reminds me, i should probably get an arduino 
22:38 < kanzure> or at least an atmega
22:39 < fenn> there are a bunch of AVR's in my electronics drawer
22:39 < fenn> arduino does have that nice USB bootloader preinstalled though
22:39 < kanzure> and what about the dev kits or chip-to-computer interfaces
22:39  * fenn feels silly paying $40 for a $3 chip
22:40 < fenn> ok so besides hardware i want a membership to hacker dojo, which is $100/mo
22:40 < kanzure> ok
22:40 < kanzure> btw i don't have a method right now to dump cash on you, so you should bug me ASAP for me to work on that (paypal maybe)
22:40 < kanzure> sooner you start bugging me the sooner that will get done
22:41 < fenn> i can register for a paypal business account
22:41 < kanzure> can i?
22:41 < fenn> eh?
22:41 < kanzure> what?
22:41 < kanzure> aren't i the one who has to register
22:41 < fenn> you dont need to if you're sending money, only to withdraw money
22:41 < kanzure> i see. well, i need to do it anyway
22:41 < kanzure> for other reasons
22:41 < kanzure> like.. being generally compliant with the internets
22:42 < fenn> i'm still waiting for my crypto key signed distributed p2p digital cash network
22:42 < kanzure> isn't michel bauwens or ybit supposed to be working on that?
22:42  * fenn shakes fist at the ether
22:43 < kanzure> ybit: that's your cue
22:43 < kanzure> where is ybit today anyway?
22:44 < fenn> rearranging his computer desk probably
22:47 < QuantumG> fenn: bitcoin.org
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22:48 < kanzure> meh
22:49 < fenn> ok but how do i get money out of it
22:49 < fenn> supposedly american express was pushing "revolution currency" or something like that
22:49 < kanzure> my dad worked for them, and for that reason i wouldn't recommend their company
22:49 < QuantumG> their tech is interesting.. their marketing is horrid (of course)  http://www.bitcoin.org/sites/default/files/bitcoin.pdf
22:50 < QuantumG> and, if you think about it, that's the way it's gotta be
22:50 < fenn> currency conversion is sort of like file conversion
22:50 < fenn> s/file/format/
22:50 < kanzure> it doesn't work?
22:50 < fenn> yeah :(
22:50 < QuantumG> if the marketing is all swish and everyone is using it, it has to be some corrupt controlled system.
22:50 < kanzure> vitaly was trying to convince me to use dxf/meshes today over the phone
22:51 < fenn> dxf is even worse than STL
22:51 < kanzure> yes
22:51 < fenn> it's ok for 2d stuff i guess
22:51 < fenn> that's just another confusion point though
22:51 < fenn> everyone knows SVG is 2d and STl is 3d
22:52 < kanzure> there's a "3d dxf" format apparently :/
22:52 < kanzure> which i'm sure just conflates the issue
22:53 < fenn> QuantumG: isnt bitcoin incentivizing unchecked CPU wastage?
22:53 < QuantumG> all your questions and more answered in the pdf I linked
22:53 < fenn> wah, you mean i have to read?
22:53 < kanzure> bwahah
22:53 < fenn> just wondering if this is something i had read before and dismissed
22:53 < QuantumG> as I said, it's interesting
22:54 < kanzure> fenn: ybit probably mentioned it before. i came across it in 2007
22:54 < fenn> around the same time as marc *mumble* and his energy based currency
22:54 < fenn> fawzi
22:54 < kanzure> we do not mention that name
22:55 < fenn> hah
22:55 < fenn> it's not his fault he's israeli
22:56 < fenn> QuantumG: also not sure how "one cpu one vote" is supposed to fix a corrupt controlled system
22:56 < QuantumG> as I said..
22:57 < QuantumG> however, if you're not going to read the paper, at least read the FAQ.. http://bitcoin.org/node/1  but as you're not in high school, I'd expect you to read the paper.
22:57 < fenn> here's how a currency system should work: dollars from external currency systems are added to the system by institutions and signed with that institution's key
22:58 < fenn> when dollars are withdrawn, they get debited to that institution
22:58 < fenn> in between all sorts of hilarity ensues
22:58 < fenn> nobody should be able to make money from thin air, regardless how much CPU power they have
22:59 < fenn> if an institution devalues their currency by creating money from thin air, tough beans, you shouldn't have invested in that currency by transferring your money to it
22:59 < QuantumG> I can give you some advice on skiing if you like.. I've never strapped on a pair of boots, let alone taken a class.. but hey, obviously you're into unsolicited advice of morons.
22:59 < kanzure> unsolicited advice of morons is what we live for
22:59 < kanzure> carry on, moron
23:00 < fenn> QuantumG: i already read the paper and decided it wouldn't work, what's wrong with that?
23:00 < QuantumG> well, other than the fact that you've said nothing but statements which evidence that you *haven't* read the paper.. 
23:01 < fenn> whatever
23:02 < fenn> show me a system that people are actually using and i might care
23:03 < QuantumG> that'd be paypal, enjoy.
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23:08 < fenn> ah well at least they sell bitcoins via paypal
23:09 < fenn> it all seems a little too abstract to actually use right now though
23:10 < QuantumG> I haven't looked at that link, do they buy coins via paypal too?
23:12 < fenn> yep
23:12 < fenn> currently $0.0038/bitcoin
23:13 < QuantumG> buy == sell price?
23:14 < fenn> "My exchange rate calculation is the yearly average of the bitcoins generated per day divided by the yearly average of the amount of dollars spent per day on Internet and electricity"
23:14 < fenn> that doesn't seem right does it?
23:15 < fenn> one interesting "feature" is that bitcoins will devalue as processor power goes up
23:15 < fenn> mips/watt or whatever
23:16 < fenn> of course electricity is only a part of the cost of a computer
23:16 < QuantumG> I'd explain this to you but both the FAQ and the paper explain it better
23:16 < QuantumG> point is, if you can buy and sell coins at the same rate you could theoretically use bitcoin as a middleman in your paypal transaction.. thus hiding your identity
23:17 < fenn> sure, but really the problem i'm trying to get away from is that paypal can confiscate your "money" with no recourse
23:18 < fenn> and the fees, which are just annoying
23:19 < fenn> and having to be connected to the net to exchange money, but bitcoin sort of requires that too
23:20 < QuantumG> aka paypal, and everything it entails, yes I understand the frustration
23:20 < fenn> can you buy porn with paypal? since it is a subsidiary of ebay now
23:37 < fenn> great photos http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/13/magazines/fortune/paypal_mafia.fortune/index.htm
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