--- Day changed Fri Feb 12 2010 00:00 < genehacker> So I'm wondering something about sensory nerves, is there a sensory nerve that goes straight to the spine from a mechanoreceptor(1 nerve per mechanoreceptor) 00:00 < genehacker> or is the sensory information encoded and then sent along the nerve(several mechanoreceptors per nerve)? 00:01 < katsmeow-afk> afaik, they aren't that long, and they do combine near the skin,, ie they tree out from the spine 00:02 < katsmeow-afk> it's been shown that as your body enlarges from birth, you have fewer c-afferent unmylinated sheaths per inch 00:02 < genehacker> so is there a dedicated path for sensory information from one mechanoreceptor to the spine? 00:02 < katsmeow-afk> yeas 00:02 < genehacker> many different paths 00:02 < katsmeow-afk> there's 3 groupings, pain, non-pain, and motor 00:03 < genehacker> dammit why don't I know this 00:03 < genehacker> are they bundled together? 00:03 < katsmeow-afk> well, a path per your personal unit of being able to distinguish pain sites in proximity to each otehr 00:04 < katsmeow-afk> in some places they are bundled separately, iirc, the area of the ankle the motor ans sensory bundles take difefrent paths 00:04 < genehacker> damn I was sort of hoping for some sort of preprocessing being done at the mechanoreceptor to cut down on the number of nerves 00:04 < katsmeow-afk> iirc, the motor bundle runs down the front and over the foot, the sensory bundle runs behind the ankle and up under the foot 00:04 < genehacker> now how do they send different signals down the same path? 00:05 < katsmeow-afk> they don't 00:05 < katsmeow-afk> [00:02] there's 3 groupings, pain, non-pain, and motor 00:05 < katsmeow-afk> [00:03] well, a path per your personal unit of being able to distinguish pain sites in proximity to each otehr 00:05 < genehacker> now that's interesting 00:05 < genehacker> and useful 00:06 < katsmeow-afk> it's why capscacin can target the pain nerves and not motor or non-pain nerves, for instance 00:06 < katsmeow-afk> they are simply different 00:06 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@ip-216-36-87-254.chi.megapath.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:08 < genehacker> cool so you can make a dextrous robot hand with simple touch sensors.... 00:08 < katsmeow-afk> ok 00:09 < genehacker> I really need to lurk moar 00:12 < katsmeow-afk> would you learn more by lurking? 00:13 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@ip-216-36-87-254.chi.megapath.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:32 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:51 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 00:53 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:58 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:01 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:02 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:14 < fenn> heh, on news right now: al qaeda plotting to use explosive breast implants 01:22 < katsmeow-afk> that sounds a lot more painful than the vaginal/anal supositories the Irish used 01:22 < katsmeow-afk> at least till they discovered the explosives detonated at 99F 01:22 < katsmeow-afk> there was one survivor as far as i know 01:23 < fenn> you'd think they would have figured it out after the first time 01:24 < katsmeow-afk> well, they wrapped them to be ,, "material" tight, and tranfered them quickly, this one case tho she was held back for searching and questioning, passed, and exploded leaving the police area 01:24 < katsmeow-afk> walks with a limp now 01:44 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-33-49.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:39 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:45 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - ????????????? ??????. ?????.] 02:45 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-33-49.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:21 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has quit [Client Quit] 03:26 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:36 -!- Phreedom__ [~freedom@195.216.211.175] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:07 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-33-49.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:08 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:11 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:40 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-33-49.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:50 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-33-49.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:43 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-156.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:39 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-237-156.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:11 < Utopiah> (Memories are made of this | Harvard Gazette Online http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2010/02/memories-are-made-of-this/ “The brain is a creativity machine,” Columbia University neuroscientist Eric Kandel told his Harvard audience on Feb. 8) 11:12 < kanzure> the brain is x, y and z 11:24 < kanzure> does anyone have a ben nanonote? 12:35 < bkero> kanzure: I've been trying to get one 12:36 < bkero> me and kristianpaul both have. I'm in their IRC channel. 12:46 < kanzure> the screen resolution looks a little weaksauce 12:57 < bkero> dude 12:57 < bkero> 266mhz armv7 and 32mb ram, and you're picking on the screen? 13:02 < kanzure> my cellphone is like 15mhz, that's a god damn upgrade 13:05 < bkero> It doesn't have a cell radio in it 13:05 < bkero> For $40 or so more than a Ben nanonote you can get a G1 13:33 < kanzure> diy genetic engineering http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/14/magazine/14Biology-t.html?hp=&pagewanted=all 13:33 < kanzure> i like how it's not DIY 13:43 < Utopiah> (NEJM -- Willful Modulation of Brain Activity in Disorders of Consciousness http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/NEJMoa0905370 February 3, 2010) 14:18 < ybit> Utopiah: (just wondering why you are using parenthesis :)) 14:18 < kanzure> (help i'm stuck!) 14:18 < Utopiah> ybit: on topic (off topic) 14:19 < ybit> you aren't off-topic by posting anything about the brain in here 14:19 < Utopiah> conversation was about electronics then 14:19 < Utopiah> ybit: are you implying Im fucking too polite? :PO 14:20 < ybit> haha, yes i am :P 14:21 < ybit> what's with everyone tossing diy on everything these days 14:23 < ybit> http://vimeo.com/7132858 :: maker's local would like this 14:24 < ybit> "surfacescapes demo of d&d" 14:24 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:26 < ybit> wb QuantumG 14:26 < ybit> i should probably catch you up on what was covered while you were away 14:26 < kanzure> absolutely nothing 14:26 < ybit> done 14:36 < Utopiah> ybit: actually it's also the default format of my Vimperator binding "I" : copy in clipboard "(" url title + url + selected text ")" 14:37 < ybit> there we go 14:37 < Utopiah> but I made it that way considering I would by default share link that are not part of the current conversation ;) 14:38 < ybit> heh, i don't really care, was curious though 14:38 < ybit> i don't really care if you post in parenthesis* 15:00 < kanzure> fenn: why is everyone suddenly so interested in cubespawn? 15:00 < kanzure> it doesn't do anything 15:48 < ybit> because it can spawn other cubes, duh, how cool is that :P 15:50 < ybit> i don't think it's worth picking at other open hardware projects anymore 15:50 < kanzure> ? 15:50 < kanzure> picking? 15:50 < ybit> yeah 15:50 < kanzure> i don't know what you just said 15:50 < ybit> to complain about 15:50 < ybit> unless they are taking significant resources from you that is 15:50 < kanzure> attention 15:51 < ybit> or your approach is much better 15:51 < ybit> it's taking attention away from skdb? 15:52 < kanzure> no 16:03 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:04 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:29 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:30 < kanzure> http://intellectualventureslab.com/wp-content/videos/Mosquito_Shootdown_Sequence 16:33 < kanzure> how is it that anyone thinks that "peer funding" (i.e. like kickstarter) is a good idea at all 16:34 < fenn> wow, you gotta show that to les 16:35 < kanzure> done 16:35 < kanzure> i'm so tired of all this social bullshit 16:36 < kanzure> names names names 16:36 < kanzure> "now we're calling the project cloudfab!" 16:37 < kanzure> "skdb? you mean serial killer database" 16:37 < kanzure> words words words 16:37 < kanzure> for someone who hates people, i sure talk to a lot of them 16:37 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2004-to-2010-points.png 16:38 < fenn> is that an exponential curve? :) 16:38 < kanzure> god i hope not 16:46 < kanzure> updated: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2004-to-2010-points-2.png 16:51 < kanzure> another view: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2010-01-01_to_2010-03-01.png 16:52 < fenn> "Retired defense department scientists working to impress Bill Gates have used cold war technology acquired on eBay to build a laser based offensive system against Mosquitos." 16:52 < kanzure> now let's plot it against git commit timelogs 16:53 < fenn> how about a line graph instead of scatter plot 16:53 < kanzure> blasphemy! http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2010-01-01_to_2010-03-01-lines.png 16:54 < kanzure> um. wtf? 16:54 < fenn> btw i just had this open in the window when i closed that .png: http://your.flowingdata.com/ 16:54 < fenn> your lines are plotted wrt the wrong axis 16:55 < kanzure> does your.flowingdata.com just look for words in your rss feed? 16:55 < fenn> er, maybe it's an xy plot 16:55 < kanzure> i did "set data style lines" 16:56 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:56 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/bad_line_plotter.gp 16:56 < kanzure> am i doing something stoopid? 16:56 < kanzure> hm maybe "set multiplot" 16:57 < kanzure> oh man. nope 16:59 < kanzure> not sure how to change the axis for the lines 17:00 < fenn> try "with lines"? 17:00 < kanzure> same result 17:00 < fenn> it's plotting wrt some semi-random parameter (probably the order in the file) 17:01 < kanzure> oh 17:01 < kanzure> fooey 17:01 < kanzure> the order in the file is all out of whack for some reason 17:01 < fenn> yeah but that should be turnoffable 17:04 < kanzure> hm: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2010-01-01_to_2010-03-01-lines2.png 17:05 < kanzure> wonder if i can smooth it out with weekly averages 17:05 < fenn> http://t16web.lanl.gov/Kawano/gnuplot/datafile3-e.html seems to imply that you have to just sort the file 17:05 < fenn> hey that looks pretty good 17:06 < fenn> there does seem to be a strong weekly periodicity 17:07 < fenn> on the "learned of" category - weird 17:07 < fenn> every 5 days 17:07 < kanzure> wonder what's going on here 17:08 < kanzure> every fifth day, people spontaneously come into my life? 17:08 < fenn> a sure sign of a demonic pact 17:08 < kanzure> heh 17:09 < kanzure> i was expecting something more smooth like a sinusoid 17:09 < kanzure> but a spiking diagram makes more sense i guess 17:09 < kanzure> i am, practically, a big fat neuron 17:10 < fenn> i wonder if i should suggest something or if it will slowly drive you insane three months from now 17:10 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2009-01-01_to_2010-03-01-lines.png 17:10 < kanzure> hm? 17:10 < fenn> well, maybe a day isnt short enough time resolution 17:11 < fenn> i mean if you want to see what your action potential spike looks like 17:11 < kanzure> there's a lot of other flaws with this too 17:11 < kanzure> for instance, if i talk with the same people multiple times on the net in the same day in different instances, i don't capture that 17:11 < kanzure> i also don't capture topic, word count, line count, time between messages 17:11 < kanzure> although my chat logs *do* capture time between messages 17:12 < kanzure> except my irc logs (minute-based resolution at the moment) 17:12 < kanzure> my other chat logs have it down to the second, and usually show my responses are within 5 or 6 seconds 17:12 < kanzure> dunno how to integrate that though 17:12 < kanzure> if i was better with my email, i'd have it auto fed into it 17:12 < kanzure> s/fed/feed/ 17:14 < kanzure> sadly i can't seem to use smtp/ipop to grab the latest messages in my inbox. google insists on its own order or some such 17:21 < kanzure> how do i grep and show the surrounding lines? 17:21 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:21 < kanzure> aha. -A and -B for after/before 17:24 < kanzure> any thoughts on converting from "Sun Nov 29 17:37:19 2009" to "2009-11-29" format? 17:24 < kanzure> is there a datetime command? 17:26 < kanzure> aha. date -file blah.dat +%F 17:26 < Redeemer> Is there an IRC chatroom for TED at the moment? 17:28 < kanzure> gee that would be nice. not that i know of 17:29 < Redeemer> I just woke up and found a techzulu link on facebook. I oughta look at techzulu more often. Figured someone on IRC would be talking 17:34 < kanzure> in my experience, techzulu is unreliable 17:34 < Redeemer> Great, they stopped broadcasting 17:34 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:34 < Redeemer> Who else would be broadcasting? 17:39 < fenn> Redeemer: is it BIL? 17:39 < fenn> should be about 4 hours in right now 17:39 < Redeemer> Right now I'm watching the TED conference 17:54 < kanzure> a guy named jules is suggesting i trash openscad and just do everything in povray 17:54 < kanzure> and use xembed to take povray input and convert to some other file format output 17:55 < fenn> there really isnt much difference between openscad and pov-ray except pov-ray is a lot better :\ 17:56 < fenn> (and openscad outputs stl) 17:56 < fenn> but it doesnt seem unreasonable to expect pov-ray to output stl 17:57 < fenn> i dont get the xembed reference 17:57 < kanzure> now with code commits: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/2009-01-01_to_2010-03-01-lines-code.png 17:58 < kanzure> i only got "kanzure" not "bryan bishop" from the code commit logs 17:58 < kanzure> so that's why it randomly starts in the middle of 2009 17:58 < fenn> i'm not sure number of commits really means anything 17:58 < kanzure> it does not. :/ 17:58 < kanzure> i could do lines.. but then i'm just a code monkey 17:59 < kanzure> and deleted lines should count for something 17:59 < fenn> heh 17:59 < kanzure> commit timestamps is better than lines 17:59 < fenn> every time you delete a line and it passes unit tests, you get 50 points 17:59 < kanzure> yay 17:59 < kanzure> ooh unit testing information 18:00 < fenn> i think buildbot and friends save that sort of data 18:00 < kanzure> i think it could also be done with filter-branch, if i have sufficient ninja power 18:00 < fenn> no you just need to checkout 18:00 < ybit> http://code.google.com/p/freerep/ :: "FreeREP is an opensource community project to build a free software CAD/CAM math library. " 18:01 < kanzure> "GtkGlExt and Gtk are the only required dependencies, and even then, only for the test application. " that scared me for a second 18:03 < kanzure> fenn: i'm tired of file format wars. wah 18:03 < kanzure> why haven't you fixed this yet 18:04 < fenn> sorry was i supposed to be paying attention to something? 18:04 < kanzure> just the whole mesh vs. brep vs. csg stuff and how nobody on om seems to understand 18:04 < kanzure> and then these new openscad people on the scene 18:05 < kanzure> "oh openscad is wonderful! it converts to stl!" 18:05 < kanzure> apparently there is no parametric CAD format other than solidworks' sldprt format according to.. uh. well not vitaly, but it might be leo dearden or thomas fledrich 18:05 < fenn> i'm sorry that there's not an easy answer 18:05 < kanzure> i'm annoyed and i'm having trouble justifying being annoyed, so this compounds my annoyance 18:06 < fenn> maybe you should write a wiki page and point people at it every time this discussion comes up 18:06 < kanzure> "oh why don't you just write a genetic algorithm to reconstruct the boundary representation of the STL mesh object" 18:07 < fenn> oh its so fucking easy 18:08 < fenn> "why dont you just write an AGI to redo the object in solidworks" 18:08 < kanzure> heh 18:08 < kanzure> i hate format lock in 18:09 < fenn> information loss too 18:10 -!- kardan [kardan@mail.brueckenschlaeger.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:10 < kanzure> kanzure@pikachu:~/cad/models/$ cad_info turbine.original.step turbine.stl 18:10 < kanzure> WARNING: 90% information loss 18:12 -!- kardan [kardan@mail.brueckenschlaeger.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:13 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/chats/2010-02-12_mukund_kumar.txt UGH 18:16 < kanzure> have i mentioned my hatred of people today yet 18:18 < kanzure> i even told him to make it a cron job 18:18 < kanzure> well at least he didn't miss the sleep 18:27 < fenn> lol 18:27 < fenn> well at least his code's readable 18:28 < kanzure> i guess if he makes it a service/daemon and drops it into /etc/init.d or something, i'd feel slightly better 18:28 < kanzure> but still 18:28 < fenn> nah that screams "cron job" 18:28 < kanzure> i thought so too, but you'd have to preserve state somehow 18:29 < fenn> what state 18:29 < kanzure> last successful backup 18:29 < fenn> anacron runs jobs that havent completed 18:29 < kanzure> hm? 18:30 < fenn> well, something like that 18:37 < kanzure> so, why not just write python scripts that generate CAD files via pythonOCC 18:37 < kanzure> how is that any worse than openscad? 18:38 < kanzure> besides the OCC dependency 18:40 < fenn> who is jeriaska? 18:40 < kanzure> your average electric usage: http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=lc&chs=350x100&chbh=14,0,0&chd=t:100|0,100&chds=0,100,0,100&chco=00000000&chma=10,10,28,21&chxt=x,x&chxs=0,000000,0,0,t&chxtc=0,0&chf=c,lg,0,00d10f,0,4ed000,0.1,c8d500,0.2,f07f00,0.567,d03000,0.75,ad0000,1&chxs=0,,9,0,t,000000|1,,9,0,t,000000&chxl=0:|1-bedroom|2-bedroom|2-bedroom|3-bedroom|4-bedroom|1:|apartment|apartment|house|house|house&chxp=0,8,30,50,70,90|1,8,30,50,70,90&chm=V,FFFFFF,1,0.2,2|V,FFFFFF,1,0.4,2|V,FFFFFF,1,0.6,2|V,FFFFFF,1,0.8,2|@fYour+Usage:15kw,777777,1,.1:.6,11,1&chma=0,0,50&chtt=Average+Electric+Usage 18:40 < kanzure> not sure 18:41 < kanzure> holy crap that URL sucks 18:42 < fenn> i bet todd huffman really does have a secret island somewhere 18:44 < kanzure> maybe we can triangulate it by tracking where he appears in public 18:44 < kanzure> and then focusing in on some center point 18:44 < kanzure> knowing how awesome todd is, he's probably intentionally poisoning that data 18:47 < fenn> hmm still cant tell if this is a fictional persona or not: http://squarehaven.com/people/Jeriaska/ 18:47 < fenn> i see a belt-fed machine gun in one of those photos 18:48 < fenn> a bit strange for a video game journalist 18:48 < fenn> (maybe) 18:48 < fenn> and the dude in the pictures doesn't really look like the same guy 18:57 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/okcupid/match.data 18:58 < kanzure> rawr i must consume data 19:01 * kristianpaul hopes get a NN soon 19:02 < kanzure> Overand: how long have you been in #okcupid? 19:23 < kanzure> bahaha updated http://designfiles.org/~bryan/okcupid/match.data 19:32 < kanzure> hm maybe openscad+heekscad would get people excited enough to listen 19:34 < fenn> okcupid matches you up with 100% enemy people? 19:34 < fenn> oops nm 19:36 * fenn starts a website that lets you pilot a UAV armed with a crossbow 19:37 < drazak> that was a damn good redeye 19:37 < fenn> what? 19:37 < kanzure> why is everyone so thrilled about this? the grammar sucks http://hackaday.com/2010/01/12/how-to-make-a-printable-ces-badge/ 19:38 < kanzure> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/OpenSCAD_User_Manual 19:38 < drazak> redeye, it's a coffee drink, it's a cup of coffee with two shots of espresso and some light cream 19:38 < kanzure> "if you're good with programming then this should be easy" just because it has lots of curly braces and a poorly thought out parser? 19:38 < kanzure> jfkllkfdjkl;fa;kl 19:39 < kristianpaul> kanzure: can you explaing the pros and cons of k-3d please :)? 19:39 < kanzure> k-3d? 19:39 < kanzure> what? 19:40 < kristianpaul> kanzure: http://www.k-3d.org/ 19:40 < kanzure> looks like a mesher 19:40 < kristianpaul> ahh you dint knew it? 19:42 < fenn> k3d didnt actually work when i tried it 19:42 < fenn> but that was like 6 years ago 19:43 < kanzure> i'm trying to figure out if my hatred of openscad is my gag reaction to anything new 19:43 < kanzure> or if it's genuine 19:43 < kanzure> so far it seems genuine 19:44 < kanzure> (the hatred seems genuine) 19:47 < fenn> ok hiccupping with broken/otherwise damaged ribs really sucks 19:56 < kanzure> http://sourceforge.net/projects/glc-player/ " GLC_Player is an Open Source 3D viewer used to view 3d models (COLLADA, 3DXML, OBJ 3DS STL OFF COFF Format) and to navigate easily in these models. " 19:59 < kanzure> maybe i should just avoid CAD from now on, for dependency resolution purposes there is no need for CAD 20:00 < kanzure> but.. it does help for generating instructions "guhh this goes here" 20:01 < kanzure> and for generating gcode 20:01 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: brb testing timezone fix] 20:03 -!- fenn [fenn@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:03 < kanzure> STL feels like a compiled binary, and the implicit geometry feels like source code 20:04 < kanzure> and all these damn stl enthusiasts are like programmers that don't know about source code, because they're too busy writing in damn-near-machine language to care 20:04 < fenn> they dont care because it's all one-off art trash 20:04 < fenn> nobody's reusing pieces in a meaningful way 20:05 < kanzure> are they capable of reusing pieces even if they wanted to? 20:05 < fenn> yes i think mso 20:05 < fenn> not parametrically, more like cut and paste 20:05 < kanzure> why isn't there a parametric solution out there yet 20:05 < kanzure> i really thought STEP is parametric 20:05 < kanzure> but it turns out the internal references don't make it parametric 20:05 < fenn> yeah i am confused on that part 20:05 < kanzure> ok so it's not just me 20:06 < fenn> there sure are a lot of pointer-like data structures in the step format for it not to be parametric at all 20:10 < kanzure> "we need them for internal integrity!" 20:13 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Quit: Totem is the worst video player ever made.] 20:13 < kanzure> totem *is* the worst video player ever made, it's true 20:19 < fenn> i can think of a few that are worse 20:19 < kanzure> realplayer, helix, .. 20:19 < fenn> i.e. just about every web flash player 20:19 < kanzure> windows media player 20:19 < kanzure> flash 20:20 < QuantumG> as soon as you make a media player even slightly more complex than "play and stop" people have trouble using it. 20:20 < fenn> we've just been spoiled with mplayer, that's all 20:20 < kanzure> :) 20:20 < QuantumG> I think Totem reflects that mindset. 20:20 < fenn> nah i just want the damn thing to play without stuttering or fucking up in any obvious way 20:20 < kanzure> also i want my ascii mode >:o 20:21 < fenn> 1.75x speedup with pitch shift correction is a nice bonus too 20:21 < fenn> i wish i could do halfway pitch corrected to take advantage of higher audio bandwidth at higher frequencies but havent figured out an easy way to do that 20:22 < fenn> guess i can use the scale= option to scaletempo? 20:31 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:57 < QuantumG> http://vimeo.com/3067345 21:00 < fenn> for a second i thought those were EOG electrodes on the glasses frames 21:02 < fenn> that is pretty cool 21:06 < kanzure> i'm ok with one-off artsy bullshit being made as a mesh 21:06 < kanzure> but the popularity with that method will make people think that's the way they should do everything 21:06 < kanzure> heck even vitaly falled for it 21:07 < kanzure> http://www.contraptor.org/ 21:08 < kanzure> s/falled/fell/ 21:08 < kanzure> hell he used google fecken sketchup :( 21:12 < kanzure> contraptor.org gets a lot right, sketchup and the format is the only thing that i see terribly wrong 21:13 < fenn> more from the eyeseecam guy.. i thought this was pretty funny (mostly because of the bad acting) http://vimeo.com/1538086 21:14 < fenn> btw this is what i thought about like every day on the bus to work in austin 21:14 < kanzure> and why does he put each part on / 21:14 < kanzure> http://www.contraptor.org/captive-nut-metric 21:14 < kanzure> http://www.contraptor.org/belt-clamp-metric 21:14 < fenn> how to make some kind of gaze-tracking telescope with voice coils and mirrors 21:16 < kanzure> how is it that we can't even convince vitaly 21:16 < kanzure> they think it's just a roadblock that will eventually be overcome 21:16 < kanzure> "oh it will get solved" 21:16 < kanzure> but if everybody takes that attitude, nothing is going to get done 21:16 < kanzure> "but look! we were able to actually make it!" 21:16 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-46-147.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:20 < kanzure> oh look, graphs of affection today http://okcupid.com/ 21:28 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:28 < fenn> thanks suzie, and now for the dating forecast: friday will be mildly amused with a hint of flattery, saturday will be partly moody and make sure to bring a raincoat on sunday 21:37 < kanzure> if a girl did a graph like that, would she have to factor out mood swings? 21:38 < fenn> i'm not sure i see the point 21:39 < kanzure> some girls report significant emotional variation during their periods 21:39 < fenn> yeah but, sorry to get all philosophical, are those emotions any less real than when not under the influence of naturally produced hormones? 21:39 < ybit> 19:47 < fenn> ok hiccupping with broken/otherwise damaged ribs really sucks 21:39 < ybit> ^ made me chuckle 21:40 < fenn> a pox on your head 21:40 < kanzure> fenn: i didn't say don't record the data 21:40 < kanzure> fenn: it depends on what you're trying to figure out from the data 21:41 < ybit> 20:20 < kanzure> also i want my ascii mode >:o 21:41 < ybit> so did that 21:42 < kanzure> so did what? 21:43 < fenn> i delegate ybit to act as kanzure's backup in the mesh vs CSG/BREP/whatever argument (if it is even an argument) 21:44 < ybit> kanzure: that too made me chuckle 21:44 < kanzure> what? 21:44 < kanzure> confusion 21:45 < kanzure> i want to apply for that blue brain project position 21:45 < kanzure> however, i do not seem to have a phd 21:45 < ybit> whois jon pry? 21:46 < fenn> i might be getting confused but i think he's an engineer at a pcb fab shop in midwest, hangs out in #cam 21:46 < ybit> kanzure: you comment on wanting ascii mode 21:46 < ybit> your* 21:46 < ybit> well that works 21:47 < kanzure> mplayer has an ascii mode is what i meant to imply. 21:47 < ybit> it was implied 21:47 < ybit> the joke was understood 21:47 < fenn> i wouldnt mind ascii mode for other things 21:47 < ybit> thus the ensued chuckling 21:48 < kanzure> "so did that" meant "that made me chuckle" 21:48 < kanzure> ok got it 21:52 < kanzure> oh shit 21:52 < kanzure> ben geortzel can give me a recommendation to markram 21:53 < kanzure> apparently they know each other 21:54 < fenn> what do you want to do on bluebrain exactly? 21:54 < kanzure> they have a phd position opening 21:54 < kanzure> or, postdoc actually 21:54 < kanzure> but presumably i'd want to hang out with them for a few months at least 21:55 < fenn> you should come up with something better than "hang out" 21:55 < kanzure> hm you're probably right 21:56 < kanzure> everybody and their dog is probably applying 21:56 < fenn> yep 21:57 < fenn> i dont think any scientific projects get more media attention 21:57 < kanzure> LHC? 21:58 < fenn> i said scientific projects :P 21:58 < kanzure> *ouch* 22:00 < fenn> odd how the more money something has thrown at it the less actual science they end up doing 22:03 < kanzure> anyway i think it would be nice to have me involved in that, even if for a while 22:03 < kanzure> "bryan is taking a vacation in switzerland to play with a giant heatsink" 22:04 < fenn> heat source 22:05 < kanzure> doh 22:05 < fenn> well, both i guess 22:06 < kanzure> stalk: Sean Hill 22:06 < kanzure> stalk: Felix Schuermann 22:07 < fenn> you could talk to the documentary guy to figure out who's who 22:07 < fenn> noah hutton 22:08 < kanzure> my latest film buddy admitted that noah's film was super well shot 22:08 < kanzure> apparently some talent went into it 22:08 < fenn> there's only a 3 minute clip available(?) 22:09 * fenn shrugs 22:09 < kanzure> noah: http://twitter.com/Couple3films 22:09 < kanzure> no it was 15min 22:09 < fenn> ok 22:09 < kanzure> http://bit.ly/c2IMPb 22:09 < kanzure> http://www.couple3.com/main.html 22:09 < fenn> but 90% of that was interview with markram and/or screenshots 22:09 < kanzure> or it's on here: http://www.couple3.com/main/ 22:09 < kanzure> that's true 22:09 < kanzure> hm only 1 comment? 22:10 < fenn> heh i can just see the spam circuits turning over in your brain 22:10 < kanzure> http://www.thebeautifulbrain.com/ 22:10 < kanzure> fenn: good eye, i already posted :( 22:11 < kanzure> interesting, he reads charlie rose 22:11 < kanzure> and edge.org 22:12 < kanzure> who is emanuel hutton? 22:13 < fenn> his relative? 22:13 < kanzure> http://www.twitter.com/brainshow 22:13 < kanzure> http://www.facebook.com/thebeautifulbrain 22:13 < kanzure> ugh so much crap 22:14 < kanzure> ah, his first name is emanuel 22:18 < kanzure> this guy is hard to stalk :( 22:34 < kanzure> oh wait. it was in front of me the whole time: nhutton@couple3.com 22:34 < kanzure> now what do i say? 22:35 < kanzure> http://blueflowerarts.com/noah-hutton 23:41 < fenn> jeebus, okcupid has some stupid questions 23:41 < fenn> how about "are you a trashy slut?" [yes/no] 23:42 < fenn> "enter pi to as many decimal places as you can remember" 23:44 < fenn> "Improve Matches 23:44 < fenn> Learn how matching works » 23:44 < fenn> * Answer new questions * Create a question 23:44 < fenn> Make sure you don’t mark every question as Irrelevant. If you do, we won’t be able to calculate a match percentage for you! " 23:45 < QuantumG> "and the person who thought all our questions were as stupid as you is..." thankfully I'm not on there fenn.. it'd be really embarrassing if the algorithm matched me.. 23:48 < fenn> i just wanted to see the graph :( 23:48 < fenn> but apparently i have to answer an infinite number of questions 23:50 < fenn> great it matched me up with a lesbian hacker from kansas :\ 23:51 * fenn dials in an airstrike on okcupid HQ 23:51 < QuantumG> so, accurate 23:55 < fenn> god what perv wrote this question 23:55 < fenn> "Do you generally smile at little kids crossing your path?" [y/n/only if no-one is looking] 23:56 < QuantumG> sounds like an american