--- Day changed Tue Feb 23 2010
00:00 < katsmeow-afk> bbl
00:00 < bkero> Looks like Google is having a massive infrastructure outage.
00:01 < bkero> From facebook: What makes massive infrastructure outages while I'm oncall bearable? Scotch.
00:01 < fenn> google has a facebook account?
00:02 < fenn> "hi i'm google. i enjoy long dark stints in a semi trailer, followed by flashy public demos of my half finished hobby projects"
00:02 < fenn> come to think of it, me and google would probably get along great
00:02 < kanzure> she's taken by the feds
00:03 < kanzure> and CAIRIE the ai (?)
00:04 < fenn> ew
00:04 < genehacker> makerbot you can buy in one kit
00:04 < genehacker> reprap you still have to buy from bre
00:04 < genehacker> reprap has a bigger print volume
00:05 < bkero> Bre?
00:05 < fenn> at least it doesn't look like a mac
00:05 < genehacker> reprap is harder to get parts for
00:05 < genehacker> I still need the vitamins...
00:05 < bkero> Can't I just go get the BOM from Reprap, go onto McMaster, order all the parts, and find someone to print me the RP parts?
00:05 < fenn> bkero: a hipster sell out that is commercializing reprap
00:05 < fenn> the last part, not really :(
00:06 < bkero> I can't find someone to print me the RP parts?
00:06 < fenn> no
00:06 < bkero> Why not?
00:06 < fenn> good question
00:06 < bkero> Have you tried?
00:06 < fenn> no
00:06 < kanzure> bkero: did tim schmidt say no? wtf happened
00:06 < bkero> kanzure: I haven't asked him yet.
00:07 < bkero> I was searching my backlog for when I asked you last time.
00:07 < bkero> Gotta email him.
00:07 < kanzure> heh
00:08 < genehacker> sure you can if you can find someone to print them
00:08 < genehacker> mcmaster is expensive
00:08 < genehacker> all that metric is $$$$
00:09 < fenn> enco works if you're less rich
00:09 < fenn> use-enco.com
00:10 < bkero> What's the part total come out to on enco for a mendel?
00:10 < fenn> nfi
00:10 < fenn> you can't get everything from enco like with mcmaster
00:11 < bkero> Damn makerbots are expensive :(
00:11 < genehacker> so are mendels
00:11 < genehacker> and you still have to pay bre if you can't make the PCBs yourselves
00:12 < genehacker> and it's very hard to get them from Bre
00:12 < fenn> the price difference is not more than 50% all said and done, incredibly
00:12 < bkero> We could just get some pcbs printed
00:12 < bkero> We have the facilities here on campus :)
00:12 < fenn> making pcb's isnt hard
00:12 < genehacker> reprap hasn't mastered that art yey
00:12 < genehacker> it isn't
00:12 < bkero> Yea, I've done masking and galvanic etching before
00:12 < genehacker> is there a nice way to drill the holes?
00:13 < fenn> a drill press? dremel?
00:13 < fenn> even better: dremel drill press
00:13 < genehacker> all the damn holes
00:13 < bkero> Drill press yes, dremel no.
00:13 < fenn> there arent that many holes, especially the smd board
00:13  * genehacker needs to see how much is SMD
00:13  * superkuh has drilled >1000 0.6mm holes in 2 clad clad covered pcb 100x100mmx1mm in the last week.
00:14 < genehacker> what for?
00:14 < superkuh> -clad + copper
00:14 < genehacker> rTMS?
00:14 < superkuh> Gas electron multiplier.
00:14 < genehacker> ?
00:14 < superkuh> It's a type of particle detector.
00:14 < fenn> like in night vision goggles?
00:14 < superkuh> Yes!
00:15 < superkuh> Only much bigger with higher voltage.
00:15 < genehacker> what are you trying to detect?
00:15 < genehacker> fusion? uranium deposits? nuclear bomb blasts to set off a MAD doomsday device?
00:15 < superkuh> I'd like to detect muons. Maybe neutrons if I can buy some polyethylene sheet. I've got my high voltage resistor network all made up.
00:16 < genehacker> Polyethylene sheet is really easy to obtain
00:16 < fenn> cutting boards
00:16 < fenn> unless it has to be super thick, in which case i'd use either gulf wax or water
00:16 < genehacker> ironed together grocery bags
00:16 < fenn> heh
00:16 < superkuh> 1mm is about right for 9 MeV neutrons.
00:17 < fenn> genehacker: did i post that link in here?
00:17 < genehacker> 1 mm?
00:17 < genehacker> no
00:17 < genehacker> what link?
00:17 < fenn> about ironed together grocery bags as a raw material
00:17 < genehacker> 1 mm is homedepot painter tarp
00:17 < genehacker> no
00:17 < fenn> well, it's gone forever i guess
00:17 < genehacker> I just know about ironed together grocery bags
00:18 < superkuh> I'm not worried about getting it. I just haven't looked because it's a pipe dream until I get it working plain.
00:18 < fenn> do neutrons cause gas ionization?
00:18 < genehacker> why muons are you looking for secret underground tunnels?
00:18 < superkuh> No, but they interact with polyethylene to make protons.
00:18 < kanzure> heh
00:19 < superkuh> genehacker: That was what interested me initially.
00:19 < superkuh> http://superkuh.ath.cx/users/superkuh/Library/000-Physics/0-Particle%20Detection/0-Thick%20Gas%20Electron%20Multipliers/
00:19 < genehacker> ah I see now
00:19 < genehacker> that's pretty cool
00:19 < genehacker> supposedly a kid built one for science fair
00:19 < superkuh> I've decided that the pcb route, all my holes drilled, is kind of useless. I'm just going to buy 1mm pvc sheet and coat it with carbon paint.
00:21  * genehacker needs to play around with some carbon paint
00:23 < genehacker> wait a second you need copper coated kapton etched with tiny holes in it?
00:24 < genehacker> http://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Flexible-Printed-Circuits/
00:24 < genehacker> you might do this
00:28  * fenn needs some copper coated kapton etched
00:29 < genehacker> what for
00:29 < genehacker> a spider man suit?
00:29 < fenn> mounting accelermeter/gyro chips for my wearable
00:29 < fenn> and packing them in a tiny space
00:30 < genehacker> well solid wax printers are cheap on craigslist
00:31 < genehacker> I really wish I could get square meters of copper coated kapton just as cheap
00:37 < ybit2> f market penetration that they have, stealing a few pennies piles up to huuuge numbers.
00:37 < ybit2> 23:49 < kanzure> it might also look a little shady, true, but whatever
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00:44 < ybit2> er
00:45  * ybit2 didn't mean to paste anything
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01:51 < fenn> <3 isp's that don't throttle bittorrent
01:51 < kanzure> gimme their names
01:51 < kanzure> names or it isn't real
01:54 < fenn> whoever serves 75.36.191.211
01:54 < fenn> SBC
02:08 < genehacker> downloading anything interesting?
02:08 < genehacker> or just entertainment?
02:12 < fenn> fever ray, and korean tapes from pimsleur
02:13 < fenn> the korean is stuck at 0 tho
02:14 < genehacker> http://www.physorg.com/news186071954.html
02:14 < genehacker> expect AGI people to go crazy in the next few days
02:16 < katsmeow-afk> where's the news in that?
02:16 < kanzure> the parieto-frontal integration theory of intelligence is nothing news
02:16 < kanzure> see here: http://designfiles.org/papers/neuro/The%20parieto-frontal%20integration%20(P-FIT)%20theory%20of%20intelligence%20-%20converging%20neuroimaging%20evidence.pdf
02:16 < kanzure> s/news/new/
02:17 < fenn> most AGI people don't care about neuroscience anyway
02:18 < kanzure> neurowhat! impure, impure
02:18 < kanzure> etc.
02:19 < genehacker> it looks like they might have confirmed it
02:20 < genehacker> have the AGI people actually done any semiuseful work toward AGI?
02:21 < fenn> nobody knows
02:21 < genehacker> that's a no
02:21 < kanzure> they got ben goertzel off of acid, is that useful? :/
02:21 < fenn> apparently pete voss's stuff can book airline tickets, or something
02:21 < kanzure> who cares? so can my xrumer clone
02:22 < fenn> pshaw you wish
02:22 < kanzure> does anything exposed on the web via a <form> element..
02:22 < fenn> error: viagra is not a location in the continental US
02:23 < fenn> did you mean: niagra?
02:23 < genehacker> can it do anything other than book airline tickets?
02:23 < kanzure> no, nigeria
02:23 < kanzure> also don't be surprised if it starts asking the airline for bank account detials
02:23 < kanzure> *details
02:23 < fenn> genehacker: all i know is what i saw at hplus
02:23 < fenn> or heard, rather
02:24 < kanzure> aren't there airline ticket purchase APIs out there?
02:25 < genehacker> either way it's not very impressive
02:26 < genehacker> if it could book airline tickets and learn any other task you set it to do it'd be impressive
02:28 < genehacker> though current AI is good enough
02:29 < genehacker> have you seen the FANUC robot factory video that makes FANUC robots using FANUC robots?
02:31 < genehacker> they have some simple AI(maybe it's not worth being called AI) for doing assembly tasks
02:31 < genehacker> moving parts to the right place
02:33 < fenn> where does jong park live?
02:34 < genehacker> err at least it looks like it's something more than numerical control that could still assemble something if it drops one of the parts
02:39 < fenn> daejeon
02:43 < fenn> wtf. "The pansy is the long-established and enduring symbol of freethought;'
02:45 < genehacker> disregard that they suck
02:49 < genehacker> they still need laser range finders
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10:51 < kanzure> wtf is all this white shit on the ground out there
10:51 < JayDugger> Heh.
10:51 < JayDugger> We had a foot of it two weeks ago.
10:52 < JayDugger> Let me tell you about working in rural Canada in mid-winter in a building without heating or INDOOR PLUMBING!
10:52 < JayDugger> That's pretty much the whole story, btw.
10:52 < kanzure> canadians don't have indoor plumbing? i'll keep this in mind 
10:53 < JayDugger> No, just that building--union construction on a government contract.
10:53 < JayDugger> Speed did not quite count.
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11:52 < kanzure> http://smooth-on.com/ materials supply
11:53 < kanzure> http://www.biopolitica.it/ by stefano vaj .. might be worth ignoring
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12:05 < kanzure> http://www.becausewecan.org/Winter_BIMForum_2010
12:06 < kanzure> "their fully automated steel shop, where huge CNC plasma machines and automated conveyer systems process massive steel beams all day long"
12:16 < kanzure> stalk: Anant Anand <anantuee@iitr.ernet.in>
12:18 < kanzure> FOXO3A gene?
12:18 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2010/02/19/want-to-live-forever-better-hope-you-have-the-right-foxo3a-gene/
12:18 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2009/10/06/mprize-your-children-could-be-immortal/
12:18 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2009/08/17/23andme-leading-way-to-democratized-disease-research/
12:18 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2010/01/14/illumina-and-complete-genomics-competing-for-sequencing-dominance/
12:18 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2009/10/07/disabling-a-single-gene-extends-mice-life-by-20/
12:19 < kanzure> http://www.popgen.de/ a biobank, referenced here: http://singularityhub.com/2009/10/22/the-kaiser-permanente-biobank-100k-volunteers-and-growing/
12:19 < kanzure> "The new machine, which costs around $200,000, has been developed by Organovo, a company in San Diego that specialises in regenerative medicine, and Invetech, an engineering and automation firm in Melbourne, Australia. One of Organovo’s founders, Gabor Forgacs of the University of Missouri, developed the prototype on which the new 3D bio-printer is based. The first production models will soon be delivered to research groups which, like Dr Forgacs’s, are studying ways to produce tissue and organs for repair and replacement. At present much of this work is done by hand or by adapting existing instruments and devices."
12:21 < kanzure> re: FOXO3A, see: http://www.pnas.org/content/106/8/2700.full.pdf+html
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13:10 < kanzure> http://www.thecommonsjournal.org/ <-- looks good :)
13:11 < kanzure> latest issue: http://www.thecommonsjournal.org/index.php/ijc/issue/view/16
13:19 < kanzure> this seems to be fairly good quality
13:23 < kanzure> http://blog.okfn.org/2010/02/23/introducing-datapkg/
13:23 < kanzure> http://dowhatimean.net/
13:23 < kanzure> http://blog.okfn.org/2007/04/30/what-do-we-mean-by-componentization-for-knowledge/%5Bccc-slides
13:23 < kanzure> slides: http://m.okfn.org/files/talks/ccc_20091228/
13:23 < kanzure> hm weird file name? http://m.okfn.org/files/talks/media/debian_of_data.png
13:24 < kanzure> http://isitopendata.org/
13:26 < Utopiah> datapkg really sounds like CKAN http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/Fahrplan/events/3647.en.html
13:26 < Utopiah> well ok, forget that ;)
13:29 < kanzure> isn't it the same thing
13:31 < Utopiah> yes, it seems to be a CKAN improved client
13:33 < kanzure> jonathan gray and i have talked a few times in the past
13:33 < kanzure> but i don't think i've shown up on his radar quite enough yet for him to notice us
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13:41 < kanzure> http://prefix.cc/ "to ease a very common task in the life of RDF developers and SPARQL users: looking up namespace URIs"
13:41 < kanzure> or: http://prefix.cc/about
13:47 < kanzure> re: FOXO3A, there's actually a lot of other related papers i've been reading over here:
13:47 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/Association%20of%20FOXO3A%20variation%20with%20human%20longevity%20confirmed%20in%20German%20centenarians.pdf
13:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/Decisions%20on%20life%20and%20death-%20FOXO%20Forkhead%20transcription%20factors%20are%20in%20command%20when%20PKB-%20Akt%20is%20off%20duty.pdf
13:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/FOXO3A%20genotype%20is%20strongly%20associated%20with%20human%20longevity.pdf
13:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/FOXO%20transcription%20factor%20activation%20by%20oxidative%20stress%20mediated%20by%20the%20small%20GTPase%20Ral%20and%20JNK.pdf
13:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/FOXO%20transcription%20factors-%20key%20regulators%20of%20cell%20fate.pdf
13:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/longevity/FoxO%20transcription%20factors%20in%20the%20maintenance%20of%20cellular%20homeostasis%20during%20aging.pdf
13:48 < kanzure> and probably some others that are related to the pathway but i presently forget
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13:50 < kanzure> huh zimbardo wrote papers about hypnosis? he wrote my high school psych book and video-lectures
13:51 < kanzure> superkuh: i have failed to locate your set of papers on longevity. help?
13:51 < superkuh> I don't believe it is feasible for me personally anymore. I don't read about it anymore.
13:53 < kanzure> why, are you one of the few unluckies that die when exposed to any adenovirus for gene therapies?
13:53 < superkuh> I am likely to remain very poor.
13:55 < kanzure> why would that matter
13:56 < superkuh> Do I really have to explain that?
13:57 < kanzure> yes.. my body is constantly infected with all sorts of stupid viruses and bacteria regularly, for free
13:57 < kanzure> i don't pay a cent for it :(
13:57 < kanzure> s/constantly/no more than your average person/
14:00 < kanzure> fenn: hurr, let's get skdb to this point in installation some day: http://knowledgeforge.net/ckan/doc/datapkg/install.html
14:04 < Noahj> Yeah, even if you don't implement it personally, you could probably get the patches rather cheaply
14:04 < kanzure> honestly i'd rather do it without money involved
14:05 < Noahj> Same here
14:06 < Noahj> It's the information that matters in those genetic patch thingies... 
14:07 < Noahj> Copying the information is extremely cheap energy-wise, so it should be free in the same sort of sense copying data is now
14:15 < kanzure> http://board.flashkit.com/board/archive/index.php/t-173539.html "what is the shortest email address?"
14:15 < kanzure> "I clicked on this thread so I could respond with, "what's the point?", but then realized I already did that 7 years ago."
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14:23 < kanzure> http://blog.okfn.org/2010/02/19/launch-of-the-panton-principles-for-open-data-in-science/
14:23 < kanzure> http://www.pantonprinciples.org/
14:25 < kanzure> http://opendefinition.org/
14:25 < kanzure> http://m.okfn.org/images/ok_buttons/
14:26 < kanzure>  http://www.unlockingaid.info/1/1-1/
14:26 < kanzure> http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/wordpress-petition-plugin/
14:26 < kanzure> stalk: walter jessen
14:27 < kanzure> writeup of the panton principles in a random blog: http://www.connected-knowledge.com/?p=583
14:27 < kanzure> another blog article on it: http://scienceblogs.com/commonknowledge/2010/02/reaching_agreement_on_the_publ.php
14:27 < kanzure> stalk: john wilbanks
14:28 < kanzure> i think he has something to do with creativecommons.org?
14:34 < kanzure> ondrej certik wants me to present at scipy2010 in austin re: sympy.. meanwhile jelle wants me to present about pythonocc :P
14:40 < kanzure> huh ondrej is on the program board for scipy2010.
14:41 < katsmeow-afk> there seems to be a renewed stink about ##channels vs #channels on freenode  and http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#channelnaming
14:45 < kanzure> fenn: would your parents know anyone who should attend diybio-dc? (philip goetz et al.)
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14:59 < kanzure> http://github.com/dwillis/NYT-Congress-API-Demo
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15:17 < kanzure> http://api.delicious.com/
15:17 < kanzure> http://datamob.org/
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15:51 < kanzure> hm, cnn money is interviewing sam putman? why
15:52 < QuantumG> http://focusfusion.org/index.php/site/article/preliminary_evidence_of_angular_momentum_effect/
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16:07 < kanzure> fenn: yep, you called it.. mckenna guy
16:07 < kanzure> he just sent this huuuge reply going over mckenna and everything he knows about him
16:07 < kanzure> good call :/
16:14 < kanzure> what the fuck
16:14 < kanzure> " Believe regardless of the naysayer information this stuff is real, and totally falls within the realm of synthetic bio. There's a ridiculous amount of conspiracy theory and misinformation out there about it. But dude, I can spin frickin fiber's and black specks out of my hands with the use of various essential oils. Since I began to express the black specks last year, it's been pretty tough."
16:14 < kanzure> he then linked over to: http://www.morgellons.org/case_definition.htm
16:17 < kanzure> shit this guy is spiderman in the making
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16:52 < kanzure> `Eliezer's notorious organization known as the "Committee for Investigating Un-Extropian Activities"` wut?
16:53 < QuantumG> http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/enhanced/scrapheap-transhumanism   <- crap article, but hey it's on topic
16:54 < kanzure> makerbot has been twittering stuff like this ""We just hired a Chief Operations Officer... @SketchySam. He's going
16:54 < kanzure> to be rocking our operations. 1000 bots/month baby!"
16:57 < QuantumG> so have Space Elevator nuts stumbled upon the conspiracy theory explanation for their lack of progress yet?
16:59 < kanzure> heh, i haven't seen it yet.. maybe it's a conspiracy that there's a lack of conspiracy theory explanations?
16:59 < kanzure> hahah we need to develop a meta-conspiracy about conspiracy theories
16:59 < kanzure> and then let's make it a conspiracy
17:01 < QuantumG> nah, I'm just waiting for something like "back in 2006 Los Alamos National Lab was working to commercialize nanofiber with the tensile strength required for the space elevator, where'd that go??"
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17:28 < kanzure> http://www.wikitude.org/ augmented reality iphone stuff
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17:42 < kanzure> not english: http://www.slideshare.net/TonZijlstra/ambtenaar-20-dag-open-data
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18:01 < kanzure> can anyone view this? https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiJ9wl9qbZEzdGxxVHZpWVdsek8xR2ZtUFVHRFA0N0E&hl=en
18:03 < QuantumG> nope
18:04 < kanzure> QuantumG: how about http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=tlqTviYWlzO1GfmPUGDP47A&output=html ?
18:04 < QuantumG> yep
18:23 < ybit> Hippocampal Microcircuits: A Computational Modeler's Resource Book :: http://ybit.ath.cx/text/books/Hippocampal%20Microcircuits:%20A%20Computational%20Modeler%27s%20Resource%20Book.zip
18:24 < ybit> or just grab http://ybit.ath.cx/text/books/Hippocampal%20Microcircuits:%20A%20Computational%20Modeler%27s%20Resource%20Book.pdf
18:24 < ybit> just grab the pdf, /me deletes the zip
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18:35 < ybit> http://www.uab.es/servlet/Satellite/latest-news/news-detail/new-computer-vision-system-for-the-analysis-of-human-behaviour-1096476786473.html?noticiaid=1263281686625#
18:36 < ybit> the video link at the bottom kind of makes me laugh :)
18:48 < kanzure> is that the one about ATMs?
18:48 < kanzure> oh wait.. that was in a private email 
18:49 < kanzure> someone sent me an email about how they were working on a project to analyze (visually) the motions of people at an ATM, and thereby figure out when or if someone is doing something atypical
18:49 < kanzure> "gasp! his hand went to his *LEFT* pocket"
18:59 < kanzure> a delicious.com data set: http://nlp.uned.es/social-tagging/delicioust140/
18:59 < kanzure> http://kmi.tugraz.at/staff/markus/datasets/
19:00 < kanzure> stalk: brendan o'connor, http://anyall.org/
19:01 < kanzure> ha ha. "i participate in Noah's ARK Group" (the professor's name is noah, and the group name is.. ok nevermind)
19:01 < kanzure> http://anyall.org/blog/2009/02/comparison-of-data-analysis-packages-r-matlab-scipy-excel-sas-spss-stata/
19:08 < kanzure> hm does this guy work for twitter.com? http://slashdot.org/~ryansking
19:10 < ybit> hrm, the anyall blog post lead me to weka and orange
19:10 < ybit> http://www.ailab.si/orange/
19:10 < ybit> http://www.cs.waikato.ac.nz/ml/weka/
19:10 < ybit> thanks kanzure 
19:10 < kanzure> i'm sad that "nosql" wasn't "don't use sql"
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20:06 < nsh> anyone know of a tool to speed up youtube videos on-the-fly, preferably with pitch-correction?
20:06 < kanzure> mplayer?
20:07 < nsh> meh
20:07 < nsh> too much like hard^Wa small amount of work
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20:09 < nsh> oh god, people pay for shit like this..
20:09 < nsh> ok, i'll just pipe opencourseware through mplayer
20:09 < nsh> no, i want to watch it in my browser
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20:11 < nsh> mmm, maybe i can live with vlc
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20:21 < nsh> hmm, ubuntu mplayer doesn't have the scaletempo filter
20:23  * nsh gets better release
20:35 < kanzure> http://wholebrainemulation.org/
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21:22 < kanzure> makerbot.com just sold $9M in merchandise? wtf
21:23 < QuantumG> heh, who's buying those things?
21:24 < QuantumG> actually, what are they buying?
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22:15 < JayDugger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmTJ17u-OuU&feature=sub
22:16 < JayDugger> This robot navigates by marking three IR spots on a ceiling. A separate unit projects those spots. 
22:16 < JayDugger> This local positioning system interests me far more than clean floors.
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22:31 < kanzure> ok $9M sounds a bit off to me
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22:41 < JayDugger> Non sequitur?
22:41 < JayDugger> Time for work, anyway. Have fun, all.
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23:20 < kanzure> http://www.roboticsindia.com/forum.php
23:28 < kanzure> diy astronomy in india: http://anilmn.blogspot.com/
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23:42 < ybit> "diy astronomy", er isn't that called amateur astronomy? 
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23:43 < ybit> grr at randal from minduploading.org
23:43 < ybit> their faktronic site had me thinking it was a university
23:44 < ybit> fatronik
23:44 < ybit> http://sites.google.com/site/neuroengineeringtecnalia/
23:45 < ybit> "neuro-surgical robotics" got my attention, but there's no evidence of projects being undertaken
23:46 < ybit> not sure how, but i somehow arrived there from wholebrainemulation.org
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23:53 < kanzure> minduploading.org has changed recently :(
23:53 < kanzure> their old content was better