--- Day changed Thu Feb 25 2010 00:36 -!- chupadupa [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:37 -!- chupadupa [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:47 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57 < kanzure> can someone give me a molecular biology definition of allele? none of this genetics crap 00:58 < katsmeow> [00:58] tiggr, define allele 00:58 < katsmeow> [00:58] <[Tiggr]> allele : (genetics) either of a pair (or series) of alternative forms of a gene that can occupy the same locus on a particular chromosome and that control the same character; "some alleles are dominant over others" 00:58 < katsmeow> oops, that's genetics 00:58 < kanzure> dkldsakfjalds;kfjasl; 00:58 * katsmeow looks ashamed 00:58 < kanzure> blame tiggr 01:00 -!- chupadupa [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:11 * ybit blames the education systems 01:11 < ybit> s/systems/system 01:11 -!- chupadupa [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:11 * ybit pokes chupadupa 01:11 < katsmeow> well, i am a lil surprised she had any clue at all 01:12 * ybit wonders how one is to go about pacing in a hospital.. 01:12 < katsmeow> hallways 01:13 < katsmeow> why would you want to pace in a hospital? 01:13 < ybit> yeah, there's a really long one out there.. i just think it might be odd for them 01:13 < ybit> i need to pace 01:13 < katsmeow> and so you go to a hospital to pace? why not pace at home?? 01:14 < ybit> oh, i'm stuck here for the night 01:14 < katsmeow> where? 01:14 < ybit> (grandfather) 01:14 < ybit> ecm, florence, al 01:14 < katsmeow> ecm? 01:14 < katsmeow> electric countermeasures? 01:14 < ybit> eliza coffee memorial hospital 01:14 < katsmeow> oh,,, er, ouch 01:15 < ybit> there's a hellen keller hospital across the river 01:15 < ybit> anyway, the carbs are kicking in from my chinese food, i need to go afk for a bit 01:15 < katsmeow> be safe 01:16 < Utopiah> http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/22/the-bloom-box-a-power-plant-for-the-home-video/ 01:16 * ybit straps into his exoskeleton 01:45 -!- chupadupa [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:52 -!- chupadupa [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:58 -!- chupadupa [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:52 -!- EmbraceUnity_ [~quassel@c-24-12-25-92.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:55 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1176374430.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:56 -!- EmbraceUnity_ [~quassel@c-24-12-25-92.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 02:56 -!- EmbraceUnity_ [~quassel@c-24-12-25-92.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:56 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279301491.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:59 -!- EmbraceUnity_ [~quassel@c-24-12-25-92.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:35 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:44 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:12 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-233-17.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:52 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 06:03 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-233-17.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 06:04 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.165.137.49] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Feb 25 06:15:21 2010 --- Log opened Thu Feb 25 06:16:32 2010 06:16 -!- Irssi: Join to #hplusroadmap was synced in 69 secs 07:04 -!- Semikolon [~Semikolon@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:05 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279301491.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:05 -!- Semikolon [~Semikolon@c-171ce055.438-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:07 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1088759838.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:13 -!- ve [~a@smith.xen.tardis.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- akem [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:45 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-6-118.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:56 -!- any13592626 [~someone@75-120-39-106.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:37 -!- akem [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37 -!- akem [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:59 < kanzure> hey akem 10:04 < akem> hi kanzure 10:05 < kanzure> http://www.kk.org/cooltools/archives/004214.php makerbot on kk.org 10:14 < kanzure> http://www.hizook.com/blog/2009/12/20/ultra-low-cost-laser-rangefinders-actualized-neato-robotics 10:17 < kanzure> video of the world's oldest man: http://www.kfbb.com/news/local/85265392.html 10:29 -!- chupacabra [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:52 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:53 < genehacker> fenn didn't you say the phillips head is obsolete or something of that nature? 10:59 -!- akem_ [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:01 -!- akem [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:01 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:04 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:05 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:06 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:10 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:10 < JayDugger> kanzure: Any luck with putting the new volunteer to work? 11:10 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:11 < kanzure> "bryan: so I asked Fearless Leader, and he thinks that if a plan could lead up to access to things like hobbyist-level TCMS, or being able to quickly think through and test aspects of other DIY project ideas (mostly biotech), those are points in its favor" 11:11 < JayDugger> TCMS? 11:12 < kanzure> JayDugger: we're meeting on saturday at 4pm 11:12 < kanzure> JayDugger: transcranial magnetic stimulation 11:12 < JayDugger> That makes your last post extra intriguing. 11:13 < kanzure> "Fearless Leader" is eliezer yudkowsky 11:13 < JayDugger> I thought he'd a less sanguine opinion of TCMS. 11:14 < kanzure> me too 11:14 < kanzure> i haven't seen anything indicating a change in heart 11:14 < JayDugger> Who's the antecedent of the pronoun "I" in your post? 11:14 < kanzure> steve rayhawk 11:15 < JayDugger> Hmm...I don't know him by name or reputation. 11:15 < kanzure> you might know "joe rayhawk", a kinda debian developer sortakinda 11:15 < kanzure> http://lesswrong.com/user/Steve_Rayhawk/ 11:15 < JayDugger> Ahh...I fell behind reading OB, and never caught up once they were on LW. 11:16 < kanzure> i never read either of them 11:16 < kanzure> i was however once in their rationalism cult up in new york city 11:16 < JayDugger> It reminded me too much of the speculative posts on Exi-Chat. 11:16 < kanzure> do you still read extropy-chat? 11:16 < JayDugger> No. 11:16 < kanzure> i've been on the list since 2007 i think 11:17 < kanzure> people keep on comparing me to eliezer.. i dunno what to think about that 11:17 < JayDugger> I miss the good old days...(blah, blah, blah...) 11:17 < JayDugger> You're taller, I think. 11:17 < kanzure> the 80s? :P 11:17 < kanzure> slightly.. i met eli in person once. 11:17 < kanzure> twice 11:17 < JayDugger> I'm not quite that old. Max More and Greg Burch have a few years on me. :) 11:17 < kanzure> max lives down the street from me 11:18 < JayDugger> Does he? 11:18 < kanzure> natasha is so sweet 11:18 < JayDugger> I've met Burch and Yudkowsky, but not Sandberg nor you--for that matter. 11:18 < kanzure> anders is socially awkward, but very fun to talk with 11:19 < JayDugger> Like my Swedish relatives. 11:19 < kanzure> and eli is lost in his own world :/ 11:19 -!- chupacabra [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:20 -!- chupacabra [~chupacabr@cpe-70-112-123-173.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:20 < JayDugger> Yeah...I have the strong suspicion at some time he gave up on AI. 11:20 < kanzure> then what is he doing?? 11:20 < JayDugger> But he's quite a lot smarter than I am, and I really don't know. 11:20 < JayDugger> Working out a rational ethical system? 11:20 < kanzure> gah you guys need to stop saying things like that, it only feeds his ego 11:21 < JayDugger> Yeah, but I've met LOTS of people smarter than I am. 11:21 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/eli.html 11:21 < kanzure> my criticisms, along with others 11:21 < JayDugger> I've also met lots of people TALLER or FATTER or than I am. 11:22 < JayDugger> So it's an observation first, and a compliment second. 11:24 < kanzure> check the link 11:24 < JayDugger> I am. 11:25 < JayDugger> "ludic fallacy?" Does that come from Taleb's The Black Swan? 11:25 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:26 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:26 < JayDugger> Jef Albright--that's another person I'd like to meet. Him, Nick Szabo, and Eugen Leitl. 11:29 < JayDugger> And while I wish: Robert Bradbury. 11:30 < kanzure> allbright 11:30 < JayDugger> You're right; my mistake. 11:31 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:33 < JayDugger> Does Jeff Allbright always write like Bucky Fuller? 11:33 < kanzure> if that's the style on that page, then yeah :/ 11:34 < kanzure> i like it actually 11:34 < JayDugger> Yeah. I read Synergetics and Critical Path in high school, and Fuller's phrases and neologisms took real effort to decode. 11:37 < JayDugger> The [adjective]-[adjective],[adjective]-[adjective], construction is right out of Fuller. 11:38 < JayDugger> All right. The clock says past my bedtime. Good day, everyone. 11:38 < kanzure> good day, sir 11:39 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has left #hplusroadmap [] 11:46 < kanzure> "In other news, when we classified coin tosses into a "heads" group and a "tails" group, we found that the "heads" group contained 100% heads results, no matter how many times the coin was tossed ... we conclude therefore that randomness is an illusion." 11:47 < kanzure> guh? interesting interpretation of thomas hobbes: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1562276&cid=31269108 (sorry to break the no-philosophy rule) 11:48 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:50 < kanzure> abstract: "People tend not to listen to your message if they view it as threatening to their livelihood, their community, or their ego." :P 11:51 < Utopiah> ##philosophy of marketing? 12:22 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1088759838.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:29 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279301162.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:33 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:34 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279301162.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:35 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:35 -!- flamot [~root@65.95.194.79] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:41 -!- flamot [~root@65.95.194.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:43 -!- flamot [~root@70.50.133.40] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:44 < kanzure> http://www.syntheticaesthetics.org/ 12:44 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:48 < kanzure> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/myhdl-python-based-hardware-description-language.html 12:48 < kanzure> hm 12:48 < kanzure> doesn't seem to load 12:48 < kanzure> http://myhdl.org/ 12:49 < kanzure> "MyHDL is an open source Python package that lets you go from Python to silicon. With MyHDL, you can use Python as a hardware description and verification language. Furthermore, you can convert implementation-oriented MyHDL code to Verilog and VHDL automatically, and take it to a silicon implementation from there. " 12:49 < kanzure> they use it: http://www.dilloneng.com/ 12:51 < kanzure> http://www.myhdl.org/doku.php/projects:interactive_simulation_using_ipython 12:54 < kanzure> examples of flip flops and latches: http://www.myhdl.org/doku.php/cookbook:ff 13:02 -!- flamot [~root@70.50.133.40] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:09 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:09 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1168006259.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:22 -!- shepazutoo is now known as shepazu 13:30 < kanzure> stalk: MrTor 13:31 < kanzure> "python course in bioinformatics" http://www.pasteur.fr/recherche/unites/sis/formation/python/ 13:40 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1168006259.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:42 -!- flamot [~root@65.95.193.30] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:52 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56 -!- flamot [~root@65.95.193.30] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:58 -!- any13592626 is now known as katsmeow-afk 13:58 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279300888.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:02 < kanzure> hm what's going on here? http://github.com/technoweenie 14:07 < kanzure> http://github.com/mchelen/plos-alm-tools 14:08 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279300888.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:10 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.93.179] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:11 < CIA-47> brain: kanzure master * rf7e7a7a / human_brain.yaml : extraneous updates - http://bit.ly/cBUcCo 14:18 < kanzure> http://code-saturne.blogspot.com/2010/02/cfd-example-laminar-flow-along-2d.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+FreeYourCfd+%28Free+your+CFD%29 via jelle 14:23 < kanzure> what is makergear? 14:23 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/makergear 14:25 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1992078142/building-the-open-source-bussard-fusion-reactor 14:28 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.93.179] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:28 < strages> makergear looks interesting, they appear to be a one stop shop for reprap/makerbot parts 14:28 < kanzure> oh, "fearless leader" is michael vassar 14:29 < strages> like heater parts, etc 14:30 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279301154.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:41 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1279301154.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:43 < kanzure> (02:43:13 PM) Nathan McCorkle: i had lunch with richard stallman yesterday 14:43 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.94.44] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:46 < kanzure> (02:46:54 PM) Nathan McCorkle: after we dropped him at the bus station, we were all like, was he just pissed off at that guy? 14:46 < kanzure> hehe 14:48 < kanzure> fenn, are you around? (02:49:16 PM) Nathan McCorkle: so do you write the driver for EMC? 14:52 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.94.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:52 < kanzure> more on the p2p osh bank: http://antipastohw.blogspot.com/2009/03/introducing-open-source-hardware.html 14:59 -!- flamot [~root@70.50.133.69] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:00 < genehacker> they should have asked stallman to do something about the "open source makes you an enemy of capitalism thing" 15:14 < Noahj> Stallman doesn't care about open source 15:21 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-104-201.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:24 < kanzure> Noahj: bingo. 16:13 < kanzure> http://www.crisiscommons.org/ 16:16 < kanzure> gah pythonocc guy is saying "wow email sucks, let's move to google wave!!111one" why does this issue always come up 16:20 -!- akem_ [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20 < kanzure> http://globalhealthideas.org/2009/07/7-steps-for-building-low-cost-open-source-technologies-for-global-health/ 16:21 < kanzure> http://nursingassistantguides.com/2009/50-successful-open-source-projects-that-are-changing-medicine/ 16:28 < kanzure> http://ourmed.org/ 16:28 < kanzure> http://chileforge.cl/projects/osiris/ 16:28 < kanzure> http://www.sistemahospitalario.blogspot.com/ 16:29 < kanzure> http://www.askapatient.com/ 16:29 < kanzure> http://gforge.openehealth.org/gf/project/ipf/ 16:29 < kanzure> http://www.biomobius.com/ 16:29 < kanzure> http://www.osirix-viewer.com/ 16:29 -!- flamot [~root@70.50.133.69] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:29 < kanzure> http://openspirometry.org/ stalk: dan van sickle 16:31 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.94.44] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:31 < kanzure> doesn't look like they actually have any content/files 16:35 < kanzure> stalk: dan van sickle 16:37 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.94.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:38 < kanzure> [4:36:57 PM] Suresh Fernando: You have to realize im twice your age and know infintely more about business than you do 16:38 < kanzure> [4:37:05 PM] Suresh Fernando: You know JACK about business and working wiht others 16:38 < kanzure> [4:37:28 PM] Bryan Bishop: i guess now you're going to tell me that you're better than me because you have more friends? 16:39 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.95.192] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:44 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-223-11.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:50 < genehacker> stallman wouldn't care about making free software illegal? 16:50 < kanzure> two different things 16:53 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.95.192] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:54 < genehacker> I'm confused 16:55 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1168006313.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:57 < kanzure> genehacker: "open source" software is a business term. "free software" is free-as-in-freedom 16:57 < kanzure> i suck at explaining it 16:57 < genehacker> ok 16:57 < genehacker> http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/feb/23/opensource-intellectual-property 16:57 < genehacker> he'd be pissed at this then 16:57 < genehacker> criminalization of pretty much both 17:02 < kanzure> i wonder how many watts it takes to run a makerbot 17:02 < kanzure> could you generate the power needed via peddling a bike? 17:06 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-223-11.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:07 < digitaltao> If you peddled rather quickly ;) 17:08 < digitaltao> Motor + Heating the Plastic + Extrusion. 17:08 -!- akem_ [~akem@93.15.112.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:08 -!- akem_ [~akem@93.15.112.107] has quit [Changing host] 17:08 -!- akem_ [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-223-11.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:11 < kanzure> i think i'm going to break off suresh from the project 17:11 < kanzure> i just can't work with someone like that 17:11 < kanzure> :( 17:17 < kanzure> well that's disappointing. datapkg might be not actually packaging data, and just providing links? 17:17 < kanzure> http://ckan.net/package/tuberculist 17:19 < kanzure> another case: http://ckan.net/package/32000-naples-florida-businesses-kml 17:37 < kanzure> http://www.reprapsurvey.org/ 17:41 < kanzure> http://blog.reprap.org/2008/11/announcing-thingiversecom.html the original announcement saying thingiverse.com uses povray for rendering 17:42 < kanzure> http://counter.reprap.org/stl2web/povray-render-stl.tgz 17:42 < kanzure> http://counter.reprap.org/stl2web/ 17:42 < kanzure> http://reprap.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/reprap/trunk/users/erik/stl2web 17:47 -!- akem_ [~akem@unaffiliated/akem] has quit [] 17:59 < kanzure> "Have you guys read about the off-label use scandal for Repoxygen - a 17:59 < kanzure> commercially available virus that modifies the users DNA." 17:59 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repoxygen 17:59 < kanzure> "Repoxygen is the tradename for a type of gene therapy that induces controlled release of erythropoietin (EPO) in response to low oxygen concentration. It is has been developed by Oxford Biomedica to treat anaemia. It has been developed in mice, is still in preclinical development and has not been extensively tested in humans." 18:00 < kanzure> "The German track and field coach Thomas Springstein and Rashid Ramzi are currently suspected to have used Repoxygen." 18:00 < kanzure> "gene doping" woot 18:00 < kanzure> # Yoshimi M, Maeyama T, Yamada M, Hamada N, Fukumoto J, Kawaguchi T, Kuwano K, & Nakanishi Y. (2008). Recombinant human erythropoietin reduces epithelial cell apoptosis and attenuates bleomycin-induced pneumonitis in mice. Respirology 13(5). 639-645. 18:00 < kanzure> # Percy MJ. (2008). Familial erythrocytosis arising from a gain-of-function mutation in the HIF2A gene of the oxygen sensing pathway. Ulster Medical Journal 77(2). 86-88. 18:05 < QuantumG> nice 18:06 < kanzure> just posted about it: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/t/43ac9f00719f3866 (it's just a copy of the wikipedia article) 18:06 < kanzure> also, there's a *crapload* of results for http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q="gain-of-function+mutation" 18:07 < kanzure> "A gain-of-function mutation in the sodium channel gene Scn2a results in seizures" hm wrong kinda function? 18:10 < kanzure> hm i wonder if they're going to start recording parents genomes for participants in sports 18:10 < kanzure> and if a player's genome is obviously impossible to come up with given the two parents, to consider them to have been doing gene doping 18:11 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_doping 18:12 < kanzure> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/08/080814-gene-doping.html "how gene doping could create enhanced olympians" 18:13 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1168006313.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:13 < QuantumG> are you still on arocket kanzure? 18:13 < kanzure> gene doping survey: http://www.geneforum.org/files/Survey%20Summary%20Public.pdf 18:13 < kanzure> QuantumG: yeah. haven't read your latest thread though 18:14 < kanzure> lots of other fun links on gene doping: http://www.geneforum.org/node/480 18:14 < kanzure> ew.. a campaign against it already? http://www.foe.org/healthy-people/campaign-against-gene-doping 18:14 < QuantumG> is there a list of gene doping, err, treatments? 18:15 < QuantumG> cause to me, gene doping == self funding clinical trial 18:15 < kanzure> yeah no kidding 18:16 < kanzure> it's weird how i'm always the last to know about these things though 18:16 < kanzure> i.e., gene doping was suspected as early as 2006 in the olympics 18:16 < QuantumG> so I'd love to have a nice list of techniques that have actually worked... maybe there's a list of people who have been busted? 18:16 < kanzure> hm 18:17 < kanzure> http://www.genedoping.com/ 18:17 < QuantumG> surely their "fair trial" would include details of how they've allegedly been genetically improved. 18:17 < kanzure> "In 2003, WADA put gene doping on its prohibited list" 18:17 < kanzure> Gene Doping: A Review of Performance-Enhancing Genetics (GR Gaffney) 18:18 < QuantumG> I believe it was in Red Dwarf, the novelization, that they suggested we need a superhuman games already 18:19 < QuantumG> in fact, let's call it the Transhuman Olympics 18:19 < kanzure> here we go: 18:19 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/Gene%20doping%20-%20a%20review%20of%20performance-enhancing%20genetics.pdf 18:21 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1177653426.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:21 < kanzure> reference 10 in that doc has a list of genes that you can target for athletic performance 18:21 < kanzure> (based off of exercise physiology) 18:21 < kanzure> ACE, ACTN3, endorphins, EPO, HGH, HIF, IGF-1, myostatin (heck yeah), PPAR-delta, VEGF 18:22 < kanzure> (page 812) 18:23 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/gene_doping_for_sports_enhancement.png 18:24 < QuantumG> hello massive source of income for transhumanism 18:25 < kanzure> heh 18:25 < kanzure> todd was going to fund a myostatin gene therapy project that i pitched him, but i got distracted or something 18:27 < kanzure> actually, a more profitable gene to dope on would be the set that did the glyxolytic shunt for fat burning 18:28 < QuantumG> dude, make that happen 18:28 < kanzure> yeah? 18:29 < QuantumG> do you know how much people pay for weight loss? 18:29 < kanzure> no 18:29 * QuantumG resists making a fat joke.. I'm pretty fat myself 18:29 < kanzure> resistance is futile 18:30 < QuantumG> ok, I've got a question for ya 18:30 < QuantumG> when people lose a whole lot of weight their skin doesn't contract 18:30 < kanzure> ever? 18:30 < QuantumG> ever 18:30 < QuantumG> they either live with it or they get surgery 18:31 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1177653426.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:31 < QuantumG> is there a genetic manipulation solution? 18:32 < QuantumG> or even a traditional drug.. 18:33 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.94.44] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:33 < kanzure> i don't know what to search for 18:33 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tummy_tuck 18:33 < QuantumG> but it's not just tummys 18:34 < QuantumG> skin tightening on the arms is more common, cause you can't hide it 18:36 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_shaping 18:37 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brachioplasty 18:41 < kanzure> what if they lose weight gradually? 18:42 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-223-11.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:43 < QuantumG> as far as I'm aware, people who have been above the obesity threshold for any significant portion of their lives have stretched their skin so much that it never contracts. 18:43 < QuantumG> and, when you think about it, contracting skin isn't exactly an evolutionary necessity. 18:46 < kanzure> hm we've only talked about VEGF 13 times? that sounds too low 18:47 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/dumps/ daily backups yay 18:52 -!- flamot [~root@69.158.94.44] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:54 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1242454917.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:00 < kanzure> (07:00:40 PM) Andrew Hessel: btw, i told bre he should pay more attention to you 19:00 < kanzure> O_o 19:00 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1242454917.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:01 < kanzure> (07:01:27 PM) Andrew Hessel: they've sold 1000 makerbots 19:01 < kanzure> apparently they are looking for funding 19:01 < QuantumG> I think I asked already but what do these makerbots do? 19:01 -!- flamot [~root@70.50.135.140] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:02 < kanzure> they spit out plastic 19:07 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-149-27.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:16 -!- flamot [~root@70.50.135.140] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:17 -!- flamot [~root@bas2-barrie18-1242454826.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:12 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poka-yoke 20:15 * katsmeow-afk suggests it isn't working so well for Toyota 20:17 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-149-27.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:20 < fenn> i had a dream about poka yoke, something about bananas. it was a bad pun in japanese but now i forget 20:20 < fenn> myHDL is cool 20:20 < kanzure> whudda bout like, python 20:20 < fenn> eh? 20:21 < kanzure> http://www.staringispolite.com/likepython/ 20:21 < kanzure> uh from sys import exit 20:21 < kanzure> ok so like name = raw_input("yo! what's your name?" ) right 20:21 < fenn> um yeah like whatever bro 20:22 < kanzure> parse error 20:22 < fenn> um yeah like whatever, bro 20:22 < kanzure> some day we're all going to be unsurprised to discover that you're a simple permutation engine 20:23 < fenn> i am not so thorough 20:23 < fenn> i should get headed to baypiggies 20:23 < kanzure> python interest group? 20:24 < fenn> laptop crashed (locked up solid) yesterday; calcurse data was all gone 20:24 < fenn> i should send a bug report or something 20:24 < kanzure> hm, an ncurses task manager 20:24 < kanzure> oh i get it. curse 20:24 < fenn> yeah, fuck calendars 20:25 < fenn> anyway it's the best thing i could find that worked in a terminal 20:25 < fenn> ciao 20:25 < katsmeow-afk> A CIA drone attack in one of Pakistan's tribal areas last week killed the brother of a senior Afghan Taliban commander instead of the commander himself..... The near miss suggests the agency's intelligence about the Afghan commander's movements inside Pakistan has increased significantly. 20:25 < katsmeow-afk> i just cannot get my head around that 20:25 < kanzure> if ybit shows up he's going to tell you about emacs+orgs-mode again 20:25 < kanzure> cya 20:26 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-34-189.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:02 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:26 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-34-189.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.165.137.49] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:29 < kanzure> there's a new comment on the article http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/toys-tools/hackerspace-your-garage-downloading-diy-hardware-over-web 21:30 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@20011017479.ip23.mediacommerce.com.co] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:44 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@20011017479.ip23.mediacommerce.com.co] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:46 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.165.137.49] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:52 < ybit> org-mode is amazing :) 21:53 < ybit> but fenn got it right in his last statement when i brought up ezbl 21:53 < ybit> 21:37 < fenn> i guess i don't really want a browser inside my text editor 21:56 < ybit> i've been letting my window manager manage windows lately instead of emacs, it seems quicker and less clumsy 21:56 < ybit> e.g. type M-x terminal-emulator 21:58 < ybit> it just doesn't doesn't work as well and you can't kill the buffer like you typically do, you have type exit in the emulator or ctl-d, then C-x k 21:59 < ybit> you can't ctl-left or ctl-right, use left arrow or right arrow, or even alt-b/alt-f 22:01 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:01 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has quit [Client Quit] 22:02 < ybit> anyway, i feel like their should be a "he was then enlightened" hovering over my head as i slowly came to this realization 22:09 * ybit was referencing master foo from esb 22:09 < ybit> er, esr 22:10 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:11 < kanzure> you people bore me 22:17 * ybit adds more boring text 22:17 < ybit> s/their/there 22:20 < JayDugger> Vigorous physical exercise cures boredom. Try it. 22:25 < JayDugger> No takers? 22:28 < ybit> no thanks, but i'll send one of my bots on a marathon scrape if it makes you feel better 22:28 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:3001:55a8:52c6:ef50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30 * ybit bored JayDugger out of the room 22:38 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: Ctrl-C at console.] 22:38 -!- hplusbot [ybit@dhcp-84-36.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:43 < kanzure> have you fixed hplusbot yet? 22:55 < QuantumG> oh, that reminds me 22:55 < QuantumG> kanzure 22:55 < QuantumG> why do you tweet that worthless [skdb] shit? 22:56 < kanzure> hopefully someone cares 22:56 < QuantumG> that's why I unfollowed you the first time 22:56 < QuantumG> and I started following you again because I read your feed and found stuff that was actually interesting 22:56 < kanzure> i see 22:56 < QuantumG> create a new account... kanzure-skdb or something.. people can follow that if they want skdb shit 22:57 < QuantumG> with the list functionality twitter has now you could create an skdb-commits list 22:57 < QuantumG> and multiple people could contribute.. or something 22:58 < QuantumG> or just create an skdb account and automate posting commit messages to it 22:58 < kanzure> the commit messages are presently automated from github.com 22:58 < kanzure> anyway, i'll change it 22:59 < kanzure> you're my first complainer 22:59 < kanzure> not like i use it for anything 22:59 < QuantumG> I do that well 22:59 < kanzure> but, on another note, why are you using twitter O.o 22:59 < QuantumG> I see value in realtime space news 23:01 < QuantumG> and the conversation aspect of it is interesting too 23:02 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-34-189.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:17 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:17 < QuantumG> http://mfile-dca.akamai.com/12032/mp3/kurzweil.download.akamai.com/12032/kain/CharlieKam_Singularitarian.asx 23:19 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-126-45.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:19 -!- parolang` [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:20 < QuantumG> mm.. 2006, it was a good year 23:21 -!- root [~root@70.50.177.152] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:21 -!- root is now known as Guest22758 23:22 < QuantumG> mmm.. 2006, it was a good year, a very good year.. oohh, I think I have an idea for a song. 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