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00:07 < timschmidt> back
00:13 < kanzure> hm even kevin kelly buys into hype about "the internet of things" http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2007/11/four_stages_in.php
00:16 < kanzure> hrm http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2009/01/open-source_dna.php
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00:17 < kanzure> guess it's time to see what else he's been writing about
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00:20 < kanzure> hm i need to gather some nootropics market data
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00:39 < Noahj> Darn, I have a problem set to do...
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03:39 < Utopiah> ...
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03:46 < fenn> this is kinda scary; i was being quite generous with my answers: http://okcupid.com/results/the-how-reincarnated-are-you-test/?fromCGI=1&var_Enlightenment=67&var_Spirituality=70
03:47 < fenn> but that's only 7/20 percentile
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07:51 < kanzure> utopiah: i feel your pain
07:52 < kanzure> also: http://designfiles.org/papers/bacteriorhodopsin_memory/
07:55 < Utopiah>  /ignore is the IRC painkiller
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08:06 < kanzure> woah wtf
08:06 < kanzure> tim o'reilly picked up the hplusmagazine article
08:07 < kanzure> http://twitter.com/timoreilly
08:07 < Utopiah> say hi and get your twitter followers * 10^10
08:10 < kanzure> hm?
08:11 < kanzure> say what?
08:11 < Utopiah> say hi to timoreilly from your twitter account saying you were the authr or sth and get retwitter and get a bunch of his followers follow you
08:12 < kanzure> what would this message look like?
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08:14 < Utopiah> @timoreilly thanks for posting the SKDB article, suggestions for http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb greatly appreciated ?
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08:16 < kanzure> with the question mark?
08:17 < Utopiah> no no was becaus eit was a proposition , actually maybe s/SKDB/#SKDB/ to make it twitter friendly
08:18 < Utopiah> (sidenote : if http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb becomes popular it should be redirected to http://designfiles.org/skdb/ IMHO since I dont see why the wiki name has to do with the project)
08:19 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/skdb/ is just the files..
08:20 < kanzure> the wiki name has nothing to do with it, true
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08:58 < kanzure> google map heatmap stuff http://code.google.com/p/gheat/
08:59 < kanzure> hm datapkg hit http://radar.oreilly.com/ the other day
08:59 < kanzure> under nat torkington
09:01 < kanzure> technological progress happens via simulated annealing http://bit.ly/beI21N (ycombinator)
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09:15 < thesnark> kanzure A curiosity: Are you happy with the functionality offered by current free libraries for analyzing genes, proteins, etc?
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09:17 < thesnark> Just email me a response if I'm not online when you're back
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11:21 < kanzure> fenn: less specifically maybe you should broaden your scope to experimental social interaction in general :/
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12:46 < kanzure> why is it so much easier to convince people about bits and bytes than about atoms these days?
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12:47 < kanzure> to be doing something is "radical"
12:48 < kanzure> (it's entirely possible that i am hanging out with the wrong people)
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12:59 < kanzure> hplusmagazine.com article got hit hard by http://www.disinfo.com/ but looks like a lame website
13:00 < kanzure> ah here we go
13:00 < kanzure> http://www.disinfo.com/2010/02/can-open-source-manufacturing-save-humanity/
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13:01 < kanzure> "And the article also notes the existence of OpenCASCADE, an open source CAD geometry kernel, which can generate 3D pictures with information that can already be used to automatically generate instructions"
13:01 < kanzure> fuck
13:01 < kanzure> ugh. not true
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13:14 < kanzure> even campbell's more exicted about bits than about atoms
13:14 < kanzure> and he's a professor of mechanical things.. :/
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13:20 < thesnark> kanzure any thoughts on my question from earlier?
13:20 < thesnark> anything you'd like to see in bio related software libs?
13:20 < kanzure> the quality of the current functions and methods that are implemented tend to be ok
13:20 < thesnark> or software for that matter?
13:20 < kanzure> however, there could be broader scope
13:20 < kanzure> there is a lot of scattered biology software stuffs out there
13:21 < kanzure> the open-bio project has been trying to get everything into a more usable single package, like for bioinformatics
13:21 < kanzure> (i.e., bioperl, biopython, bioruby)
13:21 < thesnark> all of those are necessary though, right? In case your project is in any of those languages
13:21 < kanzure> oh, those are from open-bio
13:22 < thesnark> ah
13:22 < kanzure> there's lots of random stuff out there.. like ligand-ligand analysis for particular amino acids in protein complexes :P
13:22 < kanzure> having that already integrated or something, or in a standard platform/framework, would be hawt
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15:14 < Utopiah> http://www.touchbionics.com/
15:15 < Utopiah> from http://www.technologyreview.com/biomedicine/24578/?a=f
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21:26 < kanzure> jef's attempt at explaining why it doesn't matter that people get more excited about digital things than atomic things: (07:58:57 PM) Jef: There is no "grounding problem" because we are in fact floating at the end of a long chain of contingincies, and we always only interact with our adjacent environment.
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21:35 < nsh> wat
21:36 < kanzure> this was re: my confusion as to why everyone is so biased towards everything going "purely digital" versus the healthy mix of bits-and-atoms
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21:36 < kanzure> flamt: hey can you stop connecting?
21:36  * nsh frowns
21:37 < nsh> have these people been reading too much greg egan? there's no such thing as "purely digital" 
21:37 < nsh> it has to run on some substrate
21:37 < nsh> unless they've managed to scratch the iron of god
21:38 < kanzure> i said that too, but then he said:
21:38 < kanzure> (07:16:37 PM) Jef: Well, it's as if you're saying there's actually a difference between 0.99999999... and 1.0.
21:38 < kanzure> (07:29:58 PM) Jef: But I'm impatient, and I'm tempted to point out that Nature does not compute the infinite expansion of the decimal digits of pi when creating each soap bubble.
21:38 < kanzure> i'm not sure that's a valid response
21:39 < kanzure> ERROR
21:40 < kanzure> there's this term from orionsarm.com that i can't seem to remember. it was something about people who try to destroy as much distance between their senses and reality
21:40 < nsh> hmm
21:40 < nsh> i'm not sure how to parse that
21:40 < nsh> (Jef sounds pretty young, btw)
21:41 < kanzure> oh, um, it was in opposition to the concept of retreating to virtual realities
21:41 < kanzure> jef is super old :P
21:42 < nsh> ah, the other young :-)
21:42 < nsh> i'm not sure you can close down on 'reality' 
21:42 < nsh> just make more informed choices of how to construe it
21:43 < kanzure> i was kinda working off of this david zindell quote: "how could they ever take the place of the essential reality that they represent?"
21:44 < kanzure> so anyway, the original issue though was why everyone is so excited about digital stuff
21:44 < nsh> not sure what digital stuff we're talking abotu
21:44 < kanzure> in the diy scene there's still lots of excitement about hardware, sure
21:45 < kanzure> well, for instance, a preference for virtualization over making things
21:45 < kanzure> i.e. outsourcing the service of making things, whether physical things or digital things..
21:45 < nsh> hm
21:46 < nsh> i'd rather have the food chain be thicker below me than thinner
21:46 < nsh> that is, have lots of options of foundational technology to base my own on, rather than few
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21:48 < nsh> it's not just self-(or community-)sufficiency, it's good ol' fashioned bet-hedging
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21:53 < nsh> heinlein is starting to grate
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22:19 < kanzure> nsh: that's great for stuff that is already being made..
22:19 < nsh> sure
22:20 < nsh> what do you have in mind though?
22:20 < kanzure> what are you asking
22:22 < nsh> what you meant in contrast to 'stuff that is already being made'
22:23 < kanzure> i think that would be obvious? things that are not presently made?
22:24 < kanzure> the set of things not made is greater than the set of things made :P
22:28 < nsh>  hmm
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