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00:16 < kanzure> heh the founder of etacts has one too many transhumanist friends to not be a transhumanist
00:16 < kanzure> jonathan kuniholm, michael anissimov, max marmer, russell hanson
00:17 < kanzure> although russell would debate that classification
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01:27 < kanzure> cool just had a good phone call with etacts.com
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02:38 < wrldpc2> why is veganism better-suited as a diet for space travelers?
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02:48 < QuantumG> cause astronauts are not tortured enough by medical quacks already?
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09:43 < fenn> wrldpc2: because animals take up a lot of room, and aren't very efficient at converting energy, and are generally harder to take care of
09:45 < fenn> mushrooms can perform much the same job as chickens, ecologically/nutritionally
09:46 < Utopiah> (related work http://www.esa.int/SPECIALS/Melissa/SEMU54V681F_0.html )
09:50 < fenn> http://thechickendiaries.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Mushroons-in-the-meadow1.jpg
09:51 < fenn> that's the best google could do :(
09:51 < fenn> it's still a nice picture
09:53 < klafka> http://www.computer.org/portal/web/csdl/doi/10.1109/ISPA.2009.88 can anyone get this article?
09:55 < fenn> not me
09:59 < fenn> i _would_ like to have real data to back up my assertions, if anyone has an animals-vs-no-animals study handy
10:03 < klafka> fenn interesting idea
10:04 < klafka> i am eating a lot of quorn lately
10:04 < fenn> fake meat is probably worse than real meat
10:04 < klafka> try pubmed? + also i'd look up mushroom allergy rates
10:04 < klafka> fenn in what context?
10:04 < klafka> energy used?
10:04 < fenn> health
10:04 < klafka> why's that?
10:05 < fenn> its hard to digest and contains unbalanced levels of various chemicals
10:05 < Utopiah> there is ##nutrition btw
10:05 < fenn> seitan in particular destroys the lining of your small intestine
10:05 < klafka> [citation needed] ? 
10:05 < klafka> interesting
10:05 < klafka> why? seitan is wheat gluten
10:05 < fenn> exactly
10:06 < fenn> go read about wheat gluten
10:06 < klafka> ok well quorn is made from fungus btw
10:06 < klafka> mycoprotein
10:06 < fenn> i've never had quorn
10:06 < fenn> (to me quorn means a DIY tool bit grinder)
10:06 < klafka> ah
10:07 < klafka> gah i do not have time to spend today reading about wheat gluten
10:07 < klafka> curse you
10:08 < fenn> well it's a long term thing, don't worry about i
10:08 < klafka> haha yeah i am not worried i'm gonna drop dead anytime soon from wheat gluten
10:08 < klafka> i know it's pretty immunoreactive
10:08 < klafka> you know what would be cool
10:08 < klafka> a way to self tune our bodies to our nutrients
10:09 < klafka> in a much more pro-active way than currently
10:09 < klafka> we could eat anything then!
10:09 < klafka> well
10:09 < klafka> a lot more things
10:09 < fenn> there are some interesting addiction effects from pseudo-opiate peptides found in gluten and milk
10:09 < klafka> hmm
10:10 < fenn> what do you mean "self tune"?
10:10 < fenn> like turn yourself into a werewolf?
10:10 < klafka> like tune your digestive system to be able to safely digest a wider range of nutrients
10:10 < klafka> sort of like "mr fusion" on the delorean if you will
10:11 < fenn> i think that's more a matter of downloading new genes, not "tuning"
10:11 < klafka> well it would require the integration of new genes, but also new regulatory logic
10:13 < klafka> is there a standard VIM short cut to comment a section of highlighted text? 
10:14 < fenn> i dont think so
10:14 < fenn> you can do s/^/#/
10:14 < fenn> it sucks
10:14 < klafka> mm
10:14 < klafka> i bet i can make a macro for this
10:14 < klafka> or download someone elses customized vim
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11:11 < kanzure> arr what a terrible name: skinput
11:13 < fenn> 本当でしょう ね
11:14 < kanzure> "i guess the real"?
11:14 < fenn> it really is, huh
11:18 < wrldpc2> ty fenn
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14:44 < kanzure> added various stub skdb packages: http://designfiles.org/packages/
14:56 < fenn> http://www.lockss.org/lockss/Home
14:58 < fenn> your descriptions are too long
15:03 < fenn> We do, as a team, require that our rules about testing and other key processes be followed. In almost every case, that works just fine. If a developer doesn't follow the rules, we correct or remove them.
15:03 < fenn> <humour>The developer? Or the rules?</humour>
15:03 < fenn> i still can't figure out which was intended
15:12 < kanzure> either way sucks 
15:12 < kanzure> "if a developer doesn't follow the rules," is a shitty reason to do anything
15:15 < fenn> i disagree
15:15 < fenn> rules are a way to coordinate people, cooperation
15:15 < fenn> since we can't literally read each other's minds, saying things explicitly is better than saying them implicitly
15:15 < kanzure> the developer should at least (1) read (follow) the rules, and then (2) maybe suggest better reals
15:15 < kanzure> *rules
15:16 < kanzure> but not being able to follow (like "Oh, i see") is bad news :(
15:16 < kanzure> er
15:16 < kanzure> which project was this?
15:16 < fenn> something on c2 wiki
15:17 < fenn> i was reading about "dont repeat yourself"
15:17 < fenn> which apparently has a specific philosophical jargon status
15:24 < kanzure> my epoc arrived today
15:24 < kanzure> "Experience the fantasy of controlling the universe using only the power of your mind."
15:25 < kanzure> "Manipulate and control objects by thought. Wield amazing supernatural powers just by thinking of them."
15:25 < kanzure> O_o
15:39 < kanzure> doin it wrong? http://designfiles.org/~bryan/screenshots/2010-03-05_epoc.jpg
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15:53 < Guest34462> http://arbornet.org/~flamoot/telepathic-critterdrug.html brb >_>
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16:08 < kanzure> "Human Interface Device"
16:55 < fenn> does epoc have EOG?
16:56 < fenn> i'm guessing that's backwards
17:05 < danielfalck> pythonOCC
17:05 < danielfalck> sorry
17:05 < danielfalck> wrong window
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17:13 < kanzure> USBError: could not set config 0: Device or resource busy
17:13 < kanzure> hrm
17:13 < kanzure> how is this possible? nothing is using this device yet
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18:12 < JayDugger> Really, an EPOC? Does it work with Linux?
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18:22 < kanzure> JayDugger: i've been writing a driver for the past few hours
18:24 < JayDugger> Continue the good work, kanzure.
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18:31 < kanzure> Traceback (most recent call last):
18:31 < kanzure>   File "emotiv.py", line 47, in <module>
18:31 < kanzure>     print handle.bulkRead(0x81, 500)
18:31 < kanzure> usb.USBError: could not detach kernel driver from interface 1: No data available
18:31 < kanzure> USBError sounds much more forboding than "No data available"
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19:10 < kanzure> pfft, "EmotivControlPanel is protected by Windows Firewall"
19:11 < fenn> just checking, you know how to use dmesg right?
19:12 < fenn> is it "USB HID" compatible?
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19:18 < kanzure> yeah it's USB HID v1.11
19:21 < kanzure> wtf why is this exposed over my network
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19:25 < fenn>  print handle.bulkRead(0x81, 500) doesn't seem like something you should have to do with an HID device
19:26 < fenn> you probably shouldnt be using pyusb at all
19:28 < fenn> maybe python-hid
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20:36 < kanzure> hm now if only i knew what this data means
20:36 < kanzure> there's two devices going on here- the usb dongle with some sort of wireless going on (probably bluetooth?)
20:36 < kanzure> the user manual says that the dongle should have two lights on, one for power, and one that flashes once per second when it's not connected to the headset
20:37 < kanzure> then, once connected to the headset, there's either a third light (?) that turns on and flashes rapidly (indicating data)
20:37 < kanzure> or the second light (that flashed once per second) should be flashing randomly
20:37 < kanzure> i haven't seen a third light
20:37 < kanzure> but the second light has gone solid and goes back to 1 flash/sec when i turn off the headset
20:37 < kanzure> and if i look closely, it's not an entirely stable light.. maybe it's flashing too fast for the human eye to see?
20:41 < kanzure> oh
20:41 < kanzure> how stupid. it blinks when the buffer is read from on the dongle
20:55 < kanzure> well. hm
20:56 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/kanzure_emotiv_epoc_egg.dat 
21:01 < kanzure> well this was an exercise in futility
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21:37 < kanzure> "peter thiel explains how to invest in the singularity" http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2007/09/peter-thiel-exp/
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21:55 < kanzure> http://affordabletechnology.com.au/Neuro/NeuroVault_csv_notes.htm 
21:56 < kanzure> not sure where a row starts or begins
22:03 < kanzure> lame: http://www.bciforums.com/
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23:46 < kanzure> hm http://sourceforge.net/projects/emotivsharp/
23:47 < ybit2> kanzure: 
23:47 < ybit2> do you recall the .gov site with grant listings that i linked you to at some point?
23:48 < kanzure> cool it builds
23:48 < kanzure> ybit2: http://grants.gov/
23:49 < ybit2> nope
23:49 < ybit2> there was another
23:59 < kanzure> weird, the headset is a web server 
23:59 < kanzure> it runs on port 1726