--- Day changed Sat Mar 13 2010 00:04 < kanzure> " 00:04 < kanzure> "Vinay Gidwaney, research affiliate, synthetic neurobiology group of MIT 00:04 < kanzure> Media Lab and co-founder of Energy Inside, has found a way to make sad 00:04 < kanzure> people feel ..." 00:04 < fenn> to make them feel what? 00:04 < kanzure> EVEN SADDER 00:05 < fenn> JOY! i mean SAD! 00:05 < fenn> delicious self pity 00:06 < kanzure> skdb/web/web.py is bloaty and it sucks 00:06 < kanzure> piny would have been a good replacement but the target platform is a little off (wiki compiler, perl, etc.) 00:07 < fenn> piny == ikiwiki? 00:07 < kanzure> all i want is something that serves up content from /var/git/ (or some other directory) 00:07 < kanzure> piny is jrayhawk's crud on top of ikiwiki 00:08 < kanzure> presumably for a project management platform or something 00:08 < kanzure> jrayhawk: ping 00:08 < kanzure> i want a python-based ikiwiki without necessitating compiling or anything like that 00:08 < kanzure> and then skdb tools can be thrown into a plugin dir or something 00:09 < kanzure> user accounts on this web environment should be linked to linux users on the system (none of this "custom user database" bullshit) 00:09 < jrayhawk> so you'd just be serving up raw markdown? 00:09 < kanzure> but also allowing online anonymous wiki edits to the content (not impossible) 00:10 < jrayhawk> they have a tool for that, it's called "a web server" 00:10 < kanzure> no, i'd probably throw it through a markdown parser before showing it to the user 00:10 < jrayhawk> what? you just said you didn't want to do that 00:11 < kanzure> GET and POST requests correspond to different scripts running on the server to spit out and pretty up content 00:11 < kanzure> (ideally) 00:11 < jrayhawk> okay in what way would your parser not be compiling something 00:11 < kanzure> this is stupid. i was talking about ikiwiki 00:12 < kanzure> which compiles files through some parser (etc.) and then generates more static files 00:12 < kanzure> which it then serves up 00:12 < fenn> seems like a pointless implementation detail 00:12 < kanzure> i don't wanna anticipate every possible user request 00:12 < fenn> who cares if it caches the output 00:12 < kanzure> because the parameters will supposedly be unique each time? 00:13 < fenn> but they won't 00:13 < kanzure> really? consider an inventory system for computing what hardware a user has and what hardware the user requires 00:13 < fenn> why would you use a wiki for that 00:14 < kanzure> inventory.yaml would be under revision control and able to be edited from the web just like everything else, in this proposed setup 00:14 < jrayhawk> i am not really the person to help you code up anything and your desires are basically incoherent to me at this point so i am just going to say "have fun with that!" and move on 00:14 < kanzure> (of course, inventory.yaml is specific to the user or to the server (i don't know which yet)) 00:15 < kanzure> jrayhawk: fair enough, buut i was hoping you could dump a few notes on what piny is in terms of project management 00:15 < kanzure> you did so in omg but not in here (i know, i should just go copy and paste) 00:16 < kanzure> also: i'd like to point out that i said "without necessitating compiling", which isn't the same as "nothing should be compiled" 00:17 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17 < kanzure> i imagine some wordpress and drupal plugins would be a good example of things more complicated than (templating language -> fancy html output) 00:18 < jrayhawk> Oh, most of the project management methodology involves aggregating tagged metadata inside the markdown on both pages and rss feeds such that it can be managed with rss2email (this i am already doing with ikiwiki elsewhere) and also shoving development email archives into the git repo such that they can also be processed by the compiler for publishing and metadata extraction. 00:18 < jrayhawk> The "shoving mailing list archives into ikiwiki" thing is something I only have plans for at this point. 00:18 < kanzure> is there stuff in piny for managing multiple ikiwiki installations over the web? 00:18 < kanzure> *or should there be stuf 00:18 < kanzure> *stuff 00:19 < jrayhawk> Sorta. Everything I've planned out is in that page I linked you. 00:19 < kanzure> http://piny.be/piny-code/architecture/needed_user_facing_infrastructure/ 00:19 < jrayhawk> Yeah. 00:20 < jrayhawk> There already exists a web configuration frontend to Ikiwiki, but it looked dangerous for my mass-hosting purposes. 00:20 < jrayhawk> I'd probably wind up reimplementing safe portions of it. 00:20 < jrayhawk> Or thieving safe portions of it. 00:22 < kanzure> maybe i just have a bad case of NIH 00:23 < jrayhawk> i suspect that exists in you due to evolutionary pressures that drive creativity and exploration 00:25 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:28 < jrayhawk> to be fair i basically consider ikiwiki to be unmaintainable by anyone but Joey, and that does worry me 00:30 < jrayhawk> (the quick project management methodology summary above sorta assumes you're sufficiently familiar with DVCS to understand the immediate benefits of keeping everything inside of version control, including bugs and mail) 00:31 < kanzure> no, i think bugseverywhere (and others) are pretty neat 00:31 < jrayhawk> (and your public web content, of course) 00:35 < kanzure> fenn: halp, what should i do 00:35 < jrayhawk> calendaring would be an interesting addition 00:37 < jrayhawk> I guess that could be pulled off with with KathrynAnderson's plugins as is. 00:37 < jrayhawk> I should give that a shot. 00:50 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-19-33.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25 -!- any49828803 is now known as katsmeow 01:27 < fenn> i don't personally want to maintain a git-based wiki system, so uh, try to find someone else who is doing it already? 01:28 < fenn> sorry i dont have any good advice 01:33 < kanzure> jacob wants to make a radio-sensitive promoter 01:34 < fenn> i dont think that's physically possible 01:35 < fenn> not without serious molecular understanding of macrostructures and development 01:35 < fenn> what's wrong with optical frequencies? 01:36 < kanzure> forrest was reporting to me from diybio-houston 01:38 -!- Forrest [~F7@c-98-201-172-235.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:38 < Forrest> Hey Brian, I'm in. 01:38 < JayDugger> Speak of the devil, welcome, Forrest. 01:38 < kanzure> hello 01:38 < kanzure> so, the meeting went well? 01:39 < Forrest> Very, Two new bio majors came in, one active in her own research, also a CS student. 01:39 < Forrest> We mostly talked about what it might take to get a radio sensitive promoter 01:40 < kanzure> 01:35 < fenn> what's wrong with optical frequencies? 01:40 < Forrest> They're easily blocked 01:40 < Forrest> Trying to go longer 01:40 < fenn> what are you trying to do exactly? 01:41 < Forrest> Jacob was talking about a HeLa study where the cells went apeshit in response to cell phone radiation 01:41 < klafka> interesting 01:41 < JayDugger> What does "apeshit" mean in this context? 01:41 < fenn> link or it didnt happen 01:41 < Forrest> They thrived 01:42 < Forrest> I'd call jacob but I don't think he's a night owl by any stretch 01:42 < fenn> tbh this sounds like conspiracy paranoia bullshit, just my opinion 01:42 < JayDugger> I'm less skeptical than fenn, but go on. 01:43 < Forrest> He was just going to look at expression and see if any particular MRNAs popped out 01:43 < Forrest> if so, that's something to go by 01:44 < Forrest> if not, find a new project maybe 01:44 < JayDugger> Can he reproduce the effect? 01:44 < fenn> i would start by trying to replicate the experiment 01:44 < kanzure> do you mean he wants to use these dubious reports of cell phone radiation inducing effects in cells as a way to find radio-sensitive promoters? 01:44 < kanzure> or is he trying to prove cell phone radiation propaganda stuff 01:44 < Forrest> Yeah. 01:44 < Forrest> wait no 01:44 < kanzure> ;lkfdsjfads 01:44 < fenn> -_- 01:44 < Forrest> but he thinks that something might be radio sensitive 01:44 < JayDugger> And does he still beat his wife? ;) 01:45 < fenn> and have you told your mom you're gay 01:45 < JayDugger> Okay. 01:45 < kanzure> JayDugger: i was just trying to figure out what we're talking about 01:45 < JayDugger> Has anyone reproduced the effect? 01:45 < kanzure> if jacob was fixating on cell phones, i'd be concerned 01:45 < kanzure> but honestly it wouldn't be far-fetched to be generally fixating on radio-sensitive promoters 01:45 < Forrest> I don't know much about it, just a general plan of action 01:45 < kanzure> whatevs 01:45 < kanzure> anywho, what else? 01:46 < Forrest> Talking about thermocycler designs 01:46 < fenn> i'm sure there are radio sensitive phenomena in biology, but why would it have anything to do with ovarian cancer cell culture? 01:46 < kanzure> have you read the threads on diybio re: thermocycler designs? 01:46 < kanzure> there's been a good 150+ posts on the topic in individual threads from time to time 01:47 < Forrest> I'll get a look. I was just going on the stuff that was figured out when Merideth was over here 01:48 < Forrest> I was thinking about casting some aluminum so that it'd take an epi tube 01:49 < Forrest> Anything for an excuse to get a foundry burning at the hackerspace here 01:49 < fenn> i'd suggest making something like an idaho "glass capillary tubes arranged around a lightbulb" 01:49 < kanzure> fenn: one of the things i was thinking of for opensciencefund.org was skdb packages in .git repositories with metadata pointing back to a "tracker server" (an installation of piny, skdb/web/web.py or something) which counts and tracks monetary pledges (like kickstarter except distributed) 01:49 < fenn> they to a lot of fancy machining on the blocks to reduce its thermal mass 01:50 < Forrest> I noticed, part of the reason I'd like a cast part 01:50 < kanzure> this way you don't have monetary pledges to .git repositories on random places across the web 01:50 < fenn> i dont think pledges should be kept in revision control 01:50 < kanzure> they won't be 01:51 < fenn> we dont have a distributed money system with which to implement it 01:51 < kanzure> more like a line saying "main server is at: http://blah.org/" 01:51 < kanzure> and then they can access that server to get back deets like how much has been pledged 01:51 < fenn> ok fine 01:51 < kanzure> (or at least this is the best that i have come up with so far) 01:52 < fenn> how about oshwbank 01:52 < fenn> does it actually do anything yet? 01:52 < kanzure> no, they just use a giant .ods file 01:52 < kanzure> http://oshwbank.org/ 01:53 < fenn> blah ok nevermind 01:53 < kanzure> :( 01:53 < kanzure> how the *hell* does a spreadsheet make wired magazine? 01:54 < fenn> by misrepresenting what it actually is 01:54 < fenn> i mean it certainly looks like a functional website 01:56 < kanzure> heh i like the recent xkcd re: geoip 01:56 < fenn> they seem to have gotten rid of the page that explains wtf is going on 01:57 < kanzure> they're a front for liquidware 01:58 < kanzure> JayDugger: star wars is still good for something http://xkcd.com/709/ 01:59 < Utopiah> beside oshwbank and the upcoming OpenScienceFund.org , are there other "community funding" solution focusing on "open" projects? maybe for other domains? 01:59 < JayDugger> I have a standing New Year's Resolution from 2006: never discuss religion with co-workers. 01:59 < kanzure> JayDugger: here's a challenge: only discuss religion with co-workers when the religion is neither yours nor theirs 02:00 < kanzure> most people can't seem to discuss sufficiently diverse religions though 02:00 < JayDugger> Not only does it prevent arguments, it conceals gaps in the corpus from which this chatbot draws responses. :) 02:00 < kanzure> Utopiah: awesomefund maybe 02:00 < JayDugger> I save that for my sister, with her Theology degree from a Jesuit school. 02:00 < Utopiah> JayDugger: I made my own "chatbot draws responses" http://fabien.benetou.fr/AutoDebate/ReligionVsScience 02:01 < fenn> supposedly fundscience but i think they are barking madly in all directions 02:02 < fenn> s/barking/galloping/ 02:02 < fenn> barking in a forest? 02:02 < kanzure> i'm not convinced about crowdfunding in general 02:02 < kanzure> who cares what the crowd thinks 02:02 < kanzure> i have some robot armies to make 02:02 < fenn> yeah whatever happened to the good old days when radicals just robbed banks 02:02 < kanzure> srsly 02:02 < Utopiah> ok, thanks 02:03 < Forrest> It works sometimes. 02:03 < kanzure> the joker never had to open up a kickstarter.com account 02:03 < kanzure> he just robbed the god damned bank 02:03 < kanzure> and got to work ASAP on his robot toy armies 02:03 < JayDugger> Utopiah, in my experience, arguing rationally about faith constitutes an error of the Porcine Music Lesson class. 02:04 < Forrest> Jacob got his funds to make that gumball machine reactor 02:04 < JayDugger> As in, teaching a pig sing annoys the pig and wastes your time. 02:04 < fenn> the joker wasn't real. i was thinking more like the symbionese liberation army 02:04 < Forrest> he hasn't gotten around to it yet.. 02:04 < kanzure> Forrest: but it doesn't matter if "it works sometimes" 02:04 < JayDugger> Arguing from fictional evidence, anyone? :) 02:04 < kanzure> what? 02:05 < kanzure> symbionese liberation army wasn't fictional IIRC 02:05 < fenn> go back and read what i just said 02:05 < JayDugger> You can't seriously cite the Joker (or your imaginary character of choice). SLA existed 02:05 < JayDugger> SLA existed, yes. 02:05 < kanzure> ok so your comment was specifically aimed at me? 02:05 < fenn> yes 02:05 < kanzure> makes sense now 02:06 < JayDugger> Mine aimed at you and those who cite faith or revelation in an argument. 02:07 < JayDugger> I meant it to tie together the thread with Utopiah and the thread of your remarks. 02:07 < JayDugger> I usually fail in those attempts, generating non sequiturs instead of insights. 02:08 < fenn> i wonder if i should just not talk to people at all unless they're agnostic or atheist 02:08 < fenn> otherwise they haven't demonstrated a basic level of cluefulness 02:08 < fenn> and what's the point? 02:09 < kanzure> i don't think you should start by asking if they meet basic qualifications before you talk with them 02:09 < kanzure> i tried that 02:09 < JayDugger> I suggest you avoid that, Fenn. 02:09 < fenn> "hey, believe in god?" 02:09 < fenn> "are you a god-botherer?" 02:10 < fenn> please provide rationale for shooting down my idea 02:10 < fenn> i think the world needs more militant atheists 02:10 < Utopiah> JayDugger: I dont expect "believers" to actually read and agree with it but at least it feels less frustrated that completly avoiding the dicussion because I talked about it so many times before (but with other persons) 02:10 < Utopiah> \less frustrating than 02:10 < JayDugger> Many people react badly to militant atheism. 02:11 < fenn> many people react badly to anything they disagree with 02:11 < Forrest> Many people react horribly to militant theists 02:11 < JayDugger> Yes, and you've better things to do with your time than argue with fools? 02:11 < fenn> JayDugger: that's the whole point 02:11 < Utopiah> yes, but I still want to be able to improve my arguments in an organized fashion if I can 02:11 < fenn> yes, i have better things to do with my time 02:12 < kanzure> go back to work 02:12 < fenn> i was thinking about drugging myself to sleep 02:12 < JayDugger> Utopiah, that's a good goal--but I don't think it'll ever convince anyone. I misunderstood your aims. 02:12 < kanzure> does melatonin work on you? 02:12 < JayDugger> Melatonin, GABA, tryptophan, theanine. 02:12 < fenn> not enough data to say 02:12 < fenn> i stayed up to 5am yesterday 02:12 < JayDugger> Vicodin in extreme need. 02:13 < kanzure> yes but what time was that on your internal clock 02:13 < fenn> it does seem to do something about a half hour after i take it, but wears off an hour after that 02:13 < fenn> kanzure: i can show you what i've got so far if you really care 02:13 < kanzure> what data are you recording and why do you think it's sufficient 02:13 < Utopiah> JayDugger: as you suggested before, try to convince somebody who feels safe thanks to faith with rational argument is a lost cause, so I don't even hope to do so, I just think that this way I can stay coherent without wasting time 02:13 < JayDugger> I have that problem too. The time-release formulas help, a little. Try setting out another dose by your bed for when you wake. 02:16 < fenn> kanzure: time i took melatonin, dosage, time i woke up and slept, and everything else 02:16 < fenn> not sure what else i could record without sensors 02:17 < fenn> JayDugger: i've read that the time release just fucks everything up and makes it impossible to schedule your dosage 02:17 < Utopiah> (speaking of beliefs The Singularity: An Appraisal with Alastair Reynolds/Vernor Vinge/Charles Stross/Karl Schroeder http://vimeo.com/9445223 ;) 02:19 < JayDugger> fenn, which do you want more: good data or good rest? 02:20 < fenn> JayDugger: a demonstrated solution, not just "i think it might be working" 02:20 < JayDugger> Point taken. 02:20 < katsmeow> grab some GNC Natrasleep, take 4 caps an hr before bed, it beats melatonin 02:20 < fenn> whatever, i know what valerian does 02:20 < Forrest> electrodes and mess stuck all over might be uncomfortable, but I wonder what kind of information could be gleaned from a time lapse camera? 02:21 < katsmeow> well, try mistletoe? 02:22 < fenn> mistletoe? i didnt know that was used for treating sleep disorders 02:23 < fenn> anyway i'm going to continue with melatonin for at least a month and not muck around with 50 different things at once 02:23 < fenn> thanks for the suggestion but i doubt i'll start using a proprietary blend 02:24 < kanzure> "Quite a few open source car projects out there. How will they interact with each other? They should consider using SKDB ( apt-get or Apache Maven, for hardware - http://bit.ly/dc8fAH ) so that their parts can be more easily interchange... moreQuite a few open source car projects out there. How will they interact with each other? They should consider using SKDB ( apt-get or Apache Maven, for hardware - http://bit.ly/dc8fAH ) so that their parts can be more easily interchanged and optimized. Does SKDB allow you to add your comments and experiences with a certain part? Like how it performed when assembled in certain configuration, or good and bad points you noticed? " 02:24 < kanzure> from http://ortwinoberhauser.amplify.com/search/open+source+car 02:25 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 02:27 < Forrest> Has anyone here ever played cooking mama? 02:27 < katsmeow> fenn, it was in Sleeptime tea till some fda meddling said it was dangerously effective 02:27 < JayDugger> I've never heard of it. 02:28 < Forrest> You play a bunch of minigames representing steps in a recipe 02:28 < Forrest> cracking eggs, stirring batter 02:28 < Forrest> Usually involves either a wiimote or a touch screen 02:28 < JayDugger> Ah...why not just cook? 02:28 < katsmeow> that was in the 80's, and the company was sold and resold several times, each selling making the owners more paranoid about the sleeping cutomers not waking up to buy more tea 02:28 < JayDugger> Does the game aim at young children? 02:29 < Forrest> All ages, but yeah 02:29 < Forrest> There are a few reasons why someone might play the game instead of cook 02:29 < JayDugger> I dislike cooking, and happily eat rather nasty food, so I am not the target market. 02:29 < Forrest> It's like an interactive version of the food network 02:30 < JayDugger> s/nasty/unpalatable 02:30 < JayDugger> My sister might like that, though. 02:30 < kanzure> we have something like that in the plans in skdb.git 02:30 < JayDugger> ? 02:30 < Forrest> That's what I was getting at 02:30 < kanzure> but not targeted at the gaming market 02:30 < JayDugger> Cooking in skdb? I hadn't thought of that... 02:31 < kanzure> JayDugger: well he's talking about the general idea of instructions 02:31 < kanzure> but yes cooking is one application 02:31 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 02:31 < JayDugger> `sudo skdb-get bread` First, buy some land... 02:31 < Forrest> I was in class and my professor was explaining steps for prepping chickpea DNA for sequence 02:31 < kanzure> yep, lab protocols too 02:31 < JayDugger> Second, apply for USDA subsidies... 02:31 < Forrest> and I was thinking about how tedious it sounded 02:31 < kanzure> Forrest: you'll shit bricks when i get my microfluidics package working- it converts biology protocols into microfluidic lab-on-a-chip devices 02:32 < Forrest> and I thought of how fun it might be to dial a virtual pipette with a wiimote and various other things 02:32 < Forrest> Holy shit 02:32 < kanzure> JayDugger: i was previously working on a way to order parts from suppliers via skdb for those things that you do not want to make yourself 02:32 < kanzure> until the seasteading institute gets their shit together, you'll have to either (1) already have land or (2) buy land 02:33 < kanzure> or (3) buy bread 02:33 < JayDugger> I've already developed a taste for spirulina and a low-glycemic index diet. :) 02:33 < kanzure> most people already have some land available, even if they are just renting an apartment (in which case they have floor space available, which isn't the same thing as land) 02:33 < Forrest> Anyway, I told the "biotech mama idea to a friend of mine and he told me that SKDB wanted the same thing 02:34 < kanzure> i wonder if fischerprice could get behind "my little biotech lab" 02:34 < JayDugger> Forrest, has anyone done simulations of lab techniques? I imagine something like the surgical simulators for endoscopy and the like... 02:34 < kanzure> but yeah 02:34 < kanzure> JayDugger: yes 02:34 < Forrest> Do you think sealand would allow a seasteading institute project to tether? 02:34 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/ 02:34 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://designfiles.org/papers/instructions/Extensible%20task%20simulation%20with%20motion%20archive-3.png 02:34 < Forrest> I've seen good surgery simulators made like flash games 02:35 < Forrest> They're more for learning protocols 02:35 < JayDugger> Do you know if the FDA has to approve surgery simulators? 02:35 < JayDugger> FAA tests flight simulators before pilots train with them, for example. 02:35 < kanzure> JayDugger: i have some notes in skdb.git on instruction generation and "biotech mamma" stuff if you want to learn more 02:35 * kanzure sleeps 02:37 < Forrest> No they don't have to approve them, there are several popular video games similar to cooking mama focused around surgery 02:37 < Forrest> http://www.edheads.org/activities/knee/knee1/index.htm 02:37 < Forrest> That's simple 02:37 < JayDugger> Continuing the parallel, pilots practice difficult procedures in flight simulators. Engine loss + bird strike on takeoff in bad weather, etc... 02:37 < JayDugger> Thank you for the link. 02:38 < JayDugger> Eww...yuck. That's worse than hydraulics. 02:46 < Forrest> I do not know why surgery compares to hydraulics 02:46 < JayDugger> Both involve liquids I dislike. 02:48 < Forrest> Hahahahaha 02:49 < Forrest> http://www.edheads.org/activities/brain_stimulation/swf/index.htm 02:49 < Forrest> this one is easier to stomach 02:49 < JayDugger> Thank you. I'll still wait until after I finish eating lunch. 02:51 < Forrest> Brain surgery on SKDB 02:52 < JayDugger> Yes, and my nuclear pulse drive spaceship, too. 02:52 < katsmeow-afk> Orion 02:53 < JayDugger> Purely for exploration. 03:01 < Forrest> lol MoO 03:11 < Forrest> The whole bit where you just give them a paralytic and an amnestic is hilarious to me 03:12 < Forrest> "You're going to hate me for a little while, but what I gave you should prevent you from forming any long term memories, so I don't care." 03:14 < Forrest> "You will be paralyzed for the duration of the operation, you can attempt to scream if something I'm doing feels more excruciating than you think I intend it to be" 03:16 < Forrest> I was learning to brew mead a few years back. I read about how older recipes call for henbane instead of hops 03:17 < JayDugger> ? 03:17 < Forrest> henbane is hallucinogenic and can have a side effect that makes you overheat and die 03:17 < JayDugger> Yes. Why have that in mead? 03:17 < Forrest> It probably accounted for a lot of the punch of the drink. 03:18 < Forrest> For obvious reasons it went out of style 03:18 < Forrest> but it returned as medicine 03:19 < Forrest> It was used as a sort of amnestic 03:19 < Forrest> it didn't work that way 03:19 < Forrest> It was popular during childbirth 03:19 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 03:20 < Forrest> The women would be overheating, in pain, and experiencing the horror of being held down in a hospital by demons or something 03:20 < Forrest> net result was a lot of shell-shocked women 03:21 < Forrest> It just makes me wonder if there are any malfunctioning amnesics in modern medicine 03:22 < JayDugger> Probably. 03:22 < JayDugger> I don't remember taking my mother to lunch after an outpatient procedure. 03:24 < Forrest> I wonder how they work 03:31 < Forrest> bye 03:31 -!- Forrest [~F7@c-98-201-172-235.hsd1.tx.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:31 < JayDugger> Good night. 03:33 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:2c80:12d9:52c6:ef50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:27 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:37 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:44 -!- avicenna [~avicenna@CPE001f5b002fd7-CM00407b859474.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: avicenna] 07:58 -!- Noahj [~noah@dhcp-18-111-54-241.dyn.mit.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- Noahj [~noah@dhcp-18-111-54-241.dyn.mit.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:39 -!- thesnark [~michael@99-153-25-124.lightspeed.secloh.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:10 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:47 -!- nsh [sbp@wikipedia/nsh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:48 -!- nsh [sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:02 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:22 < kanzure> hello hundred-ideas 10:23 < hundred-ideas> Hi Bryan 10:23 < hundred-ideas> has anyone built a 2-axis cell translation platform based on magnetohydrodynamics? 10:26 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:26 < hundred-ideas> Also, where is the log file located for this room? 10:27 < kanzure> !log 10:27 < kanzure> !logs 10:27 < kanzure> god damn it ybit 10:27 < hundred-ideas> really? oh is that a bot? 10:27 < hundred-ideas> haha 10:27 < kanzure> here: http://designfiles.org/irclogs.txt 10:28 < kanzure> the logs only go to 2010-01-25 so if you'd like more just ask 10:29 < hundred-ideas> hmm, I was going to run it through wordle 10:29 < hundred-ideas> for, you know, fun 10:30 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: disregard my last message, i just updated it 10:32 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: if you want a frequency analysis, see http://fennetic.net/pub/irc/histo3 10:32 < hundred-ideas> thanks 10:32 < hundred-ideas> there have got to be a ton of libraries out there for helping make tag clouds 10:34 < hundred-ideas> I need the top 1000 most interesting (ok ok frequent) terms, minus common stop words 10:34 < kanzure> what is a "stop" word 10:34 < hundred-ideas> weird term, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_words 10:35 < kanzure> cat hplusroadmap.log | sed 's/^.*>//g' | sed 's/\W/ /g' | sed 's/ /\n/g' | sort | uniq -c | sort -nr 10:36 < kanzure> ah, i can do that http://www.textfixer.com/resources/common-english-words.txt 10:36 < kanzure> ok let me cook something up real quick 10:38 < hundred-ideas> p.s. you should meet up with Jeff Potter, if you have time 10:38 < hundred-ideas> he's cool. 10:39 < kanzure> is he the cooking-with-funjet person? 10:41 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:2c80:12d9:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:41 < hundred-ideas> not sure about funjet. cookingforgeeks.com 10:41 < hundred-ideas> food hacking. 10:42 < hundred-ideas> it's interesting to me because from a practical perspective, the setting and equipment used by molecular gastronomists / food hackers is often congruent with diybio activities, but the public perception is opposite 10:44 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:46 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:47 * kanzure waits for his tag cloud generator to finish 10:48 < hundred-ideas> hey, can I grab the formatted tag list from you 10:48 < kanzure> what format would you like 10:49 < JayDugger> Tag cloud f what? 10:49 < JayDugger> s/f/of 10:50 < kanzure> word frequency analysis of #hplusroadmap 10:50 < hundred-ideas> newline delimited 10:50 < JayDugger> Neat. Have you a set of links dropped in #hplusroadmap? 10:51 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: yeah but do you want something like: word,count\nword,count or count,word\ncount,word or countword or wut? 10:51 < kanzure> JayDugger: yes 10:51 < kanzure> JayDugger: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap-urls.2010-01-25.txt 10:51 < JayDugger> Thank you. 10:51 < kanzure> that was in late january. here's one from october: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap-urls.txt 10:52 < kanzure> obviously the january one is more complete 10:57 < kanzure> i'm going to limit this first cloud to words that have been mentioned 4 or more times 10:57 < kanzure> the frequency list is 1.1MB in size and has about a million lines, so doing anything else will take more time than i have patience to give 10:58 < JayDugger> Do you know the TextArc visualization? 10:59 < kanzure> http://textarc.org/ 10:59 < JayDugger> http://www.textarc.org/ 10:59 < kanzure> no haven't seen it 11:00 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/hplusroadmap_tag_cloud.html (1.7 MB) 11:01 < kanzure> doesn't look good (don't bother) 11:11 * kanzure incorporates a word frequency list (bnc) 11:15 < Utopiah> (Creative Combinatorics http://notes.hapke.de/ by Thomas Hapke) 11:18 < kanzure> Utopiah: here's another kind of combinatorics you might be interested in: http://ideonomy.mit.edu/gunkel.html 11:19 < Utopiah> yep, know that page already 11:19 < Utopiah> was very disappointed by his "Dreams" website 11:23 < Utopiah> but thanks for reminding me of his work 11:33 < kanzure> here we go 11:33 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/hplusroadmap_tag_cloud.2010-03-13.4-to-300-only.html 11:36 < JayDugger> What does the step parameter mean? 11:36 < kanzure> font size is an integer 11:37 < kanzure> step size is multiplied by the frequency or count of the tag to determine which font size it should have 11:37 < kanzure> or something like that 11:37 < JayDugger> What software did you use to make this? 11:38 < JayDugger> Heh. My name has only slighter greater size than "useless". 11:38 < JayDugger> :) 11:38 < kanzure> i wrote a quick script 11:39 < kanzure> JayDugger: it's the same one that made http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tags.html 11:40 < JayDugger> Neat. 11:53 < hundred-ideas> back later, gotta do some work 11:53 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 12:02 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:2c80:12d9:52c6:ef50] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:04 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.249] has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:15 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.249] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:16 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:31 < kanzure> http://incubator.apache.org/cassandra/ 13:35 < fenn> hmm you should grep -v lines with -!- (server messages) 13:35 < fenn> lots of hostname/ip crap in there 13:37 < kanzure> "That raises a good point: If I launch a missile at my enemy or an unfortunate neighbor, and the missile's internal computer uses GPL software, then do I have to include a copy of the GPL source code (or make an offer to provide the code by mail) somewhere in the payload?" 13:37 < fenn> only if the missile doesn't detonate :P 13:37 -!- avicenna [~avicenna@CPE001f5b002fd7-CM00407b859474.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:48 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:51 < kanzure> fenn: this has been making its way around the internet: http://www.behance.net/Gallery/Personal-Infographic/238344 13:52 < kanzure> guy behind it: http://www.jarrodbarretto.com/contact/ 13:52 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov] 13:53 < kanzure> ah here we go: http://www.jarrodbarretto.com/project/personal-infographic/ 13:53 < kanzure> bah it's just a week? 14:38 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:02 < fenn> mine's better 15:02 < fenn> his doesn't even make sense.. it all just runs together; color coded by day of the week? are you serious? 15:07 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:10 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:12 < kanzure> yeah but he's an "art student" so people spread it around more (for some reason) 15:30 < kanzure> http://blog.freebase.com/2010/03/12/help-us-map-wordnet-to-freebase/ 15:33 < kanzure> http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/03/microfluidics-that-is-million-times.html microfluidic sorting device but for some reason with some hype around it 15:33 < kanzure> with the paper: http://www.pnas.org/content/suppl/2010/02/08/0910781107.DCSupplemental/pnas.0910781107_SI.pdf 15:33 < kanzure> "Ultrahigh-throughput screening in drop-based microfluidics for directed evolution" yay 15:34 < kanzure> hm edited by harry l. swinney at utexas.edu 15:35 < kanzure> pdf: http://designfiles.org/papers/microfluidics/Ultrahigh-throughput%20screening%20in%20drop-based%20microfluidics%20for%20directed%20evolution.pdf 15:35 < kanzure> grr that's just the supplementary 15:38 < kanzure> fixed 15:40 < kanzure> "1-million-fold reduction in cost" ha, ha 15:58 -!- kingjacob [~Jacob@ppp-70-250-112-29.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:03 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:04 < fenn> gps proximity linked-in: http://pairwise.mobi/ "now at SXSW!" 16:04 < fenn> apparently they wrote it in three days on a bus from sf to austin 16:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:05 < fenn> by euwyn poon and friends 16:48 < fenn> paid for hackerdojo membership 17:02 -!- nchaimov [~cowtown@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:12 < kanzure> fenn: please bug me until i cover that cost please 17:14 < kanzure> hm only one please, please 17:15 < kanzure> "I am Art Ransom and I live in Lancaster, I35 and Beltline, south of Dallas" 17:16 < kanzure> so who wants to bet that the name is fake? 17:18 -!- genehackerwindow [genehacker@wireless-128-62-47-90.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:19 < genehackerwindow> kanzure you there? 17:20 < kanzure> yes 17:22 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:26 < genehackerwindow> when are you leaving for dorkbot? 17:27 < kanzure> tomorrow 17:30 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:30 < genehackerwindow> ok have fun with time travel 17:30 < kanzure> what? 17:30 < genehackerwindow> it's today 17:30 < kanzure> lkfaflk 17:31 < kanzure> fooey 17:32 * genehackerwindow runs while tying to the bbbuss 17:32 < Utopiah> http://eng.ifez.go.kr/menu02/robotland.asp 17:34 < kanzure> should i go? 17:37 -!- genehackerwindow [genehacker@wireless-128-62-47-90.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:39 < kanzure> decisions decisions 19:42 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:46 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-162-175-34.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Core Breach] 20:00 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-162-175-34.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:10 < fenn> no tweezers at the dojo.. amazing 20:38 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:41 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:02 -!- tari [~adam@2610:130:115:b00:223:54ff:fea4:a5fb] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:14 < kanzure> i feel like an idiot 21:14 < kanzure> why did i go 21:35 -!- genehacker [~genehacke@wireless-128-62-47-90.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:36 < kanzure> hm that's interesting, bre is my target demographic for 1kfriend.ly http://www.facebook.com/brepettis 21:37 < kanzure> i guess he's 1.5k friendly 21:37 < genehacker> I'm back, I had to cross the sixth street anebriapause, but I made it 21:37 < genehacker> *inebriapause 21:59 < kingjacob> hello everyone 22:07 < kanzure> hi kingjacob 22:09 < kanzure> International Open Space Initiative 22:10 < kanzure> oh apparently i knew about that in 2009-08 http://lists.extropy.org/pipermail/extropy-chat/2009-August/052464.html 22:10 < kanzure> fenn: ping 22:15 -!- thesnark [~michael@99-153-25-124.lightspeed.secloh.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:18 -!- danielfalck_ [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:19 -!- danielfalck_ [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:19 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:22 < kingjacob> @kanzure: were you able to get shell access to the server? 22:26 < kanzure> i've been trying to log in to opensciencefund.com for the last few minutes and for some reason am not getting a response from the server 22:26 < kanzure> i'll keep trying :) 22:26 -!- danielfalck [~chatzilla@pool-71-111-57-122.ptldor.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:32 < kingjacob> I'm waiting to talk with the support people right now 22:38 < kanzure> it's not the end of the world if part of it is broken since we're already loaded up with free hosting everywhere :) 22:44 < kingjacob> did you talk to the support people already? 22:45 < kanzure> no? 22:47 < kingjacob> okay, found out the problem 22:47 < kanzure> hm? 22:47 < kingjacob> they dont enable ssh by default for "security" reasons 22:47 < kingjacob> it should work now 22:47 < kanzure> a reasonable precaution 22:48 < kanzure> running ssh scientist@opensciencefund.com still lags / doesn't do anything 22:48 < kanzure> isn't hostgator a shared hosting provider? so ssh isn't going to give me root 22:50 < kingjacob> its scientis, no t 22:50 < kanzure> right 22:51 < kingjacob> If its too big of a hassle dont worry about it 22:51 < kanzure> yeah we'll sort this out later 22:51 < kanzure> i was kinda hoping fenn would be around 22:52 < kingjacob> who's fenn? 22:52 < kanzure> http://fennetic.net/ 22:52 < kanzure> he's an off-and-on skdb developer :P 22:53 < kingjacob> ahh, very cool. 22:54 < kingjacob> Speaking of very cool things, 22:54 < kingjacob> On monday, I may be in Austin 22:55 < kanzure> want to meet? 22:55 < kanzure> i may or may not be hanging out with the ycombinator and capitalfactory people on monday, but other than that i'm doing nothing in particular 22:55 < kingjacob> yeah, 22:56 < kingjacob> ycombinator? nice. 22:56 -!- timothyschmidt [~tim@h75-100-200-130.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:57 < kanzure> "By the time you've reached your forties, chances are you're out-of-touch with more friends than you're in-touch with, old summer-camp chums, high-school mates, ex-spouses and their families, former co-workers, college roomies, dot-com veterans... Getting all those people back into your life is a full-time job and then some." 23:00 -!- timschmidt [~tim@h75-100-200-130.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:19 < fenn> kanzure: pong 23:20 < fenn> did you meet bre yet? he's probably in austin right now 23:20 < kanzure> yes i met with bre 23:21 < fenn> does he act like his youtube persona? 23:21 < kanzure> yes 23:21 < fenn> AWESOME 23:21 < fenn> ~~~ 23:21 < kanzure> OH GAWD!!! EVERYONE GETS STICKERS!!! 23:22 < kanzure> he's slightly toned down in person and listens more than he does on the web, but not by much 23:23 < fenn> so, hackerdojo is really nice to just hang around for a while, then go next door and chat with some cool people @ android hackathon, then eat some lo mein and cookies and back to hacking 23:23 < fenn> the electronics bench looks like it doesn't get used enough 23:23 < kanzure> what do people do then? most hackerspaces that i've looked into tend to do mostly electronics stuff 23:24 < fenn> the cnc mill works, but it uses mach 3 which is super goofy 23:24 < kanzure> mach3 is cam? 23:24 < fenn> they mostly sit around with laptops :\ 23:24 < fenn> granted, that's what i did today too 23:24 < kanzure> oh so it's a co-play/co-working space 23:24 < fenn> yeah it's more like a big clubhouse 23:24 < fenn> for nerds 23:24 < kanzure> do they have a russian bouncer named nikoli? 23:25 < fenn> not that kind of clubhouse 23:25 < kanzure> s/nikoli/stanislev 23:25 < kanzure> or something more manly 23:26 < fenn> the kind with a loft and electric scooters 23:26 < kanzure> bre showed up on a fucking segway 23:26 < fenn> AWESOME 23:26 < kanzure> everyone smelled like beer and buttsecks 23:26 < kanzure> it was terrible :( 23:26 < fenn> hm i wonder why 23:27 < fenn> did you go to any of the music thingies 23:27 < kanzure> arc attack 23:27 < kanzure> http://arcattack.com/ 23:28 < katsmeow-afk> what does buttsecks smell like? 23:29 < kanzure> ass and more ass 23:29 < katsmeow-afk> oh 23:29 < kanzure> for some reason i was solicited to write someone an iphone app :/ 23:30 -!- genehacker [~genehacke@wireless-128-62-47-90.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:31 < fenn> never in a million years would my high school do something like arc attack 23:32 < fenn> the science teacher must be getting pretty hot in that cage