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00:21  * kanzure wonders what "ambient metal" is
00:23 < fenn> "Vernor Vinge is working on a sequel to A Fire Upon the Deep"  i guess i'll have to read that first
00:25 < kanzure> what happened to a deepness in the sky?
00:26 < kanzure> weird, i found the one transhumanist (real) chick on okcupid
00:27 < fenn> o rly
00:28 < kanzure> er, wait, katia is also on there so nevermind
00:43 < fenn> "By using a single lens and a sophisticated array of photon detectors, signal processors and computers he is able to freeze a 6 nanosecond pulse of laser light (roughly 6 feet long) and do this feat 30 times a second. Steve takes individual photos or a complete sequence over a very short period of time to create a movie. The movie can be processed to create a 3 dimensional model of the scene - each picture is illuminated at a subsequently differen
00:44 < fenn> "He shows a series of images taken through a window with venetian blinds drawn. The light illuminates the window and the blinds first, then a person sitting in a chair behind the window and finally, the back wall."
00:44 < kanzure> sounds like BEC stuff
00:44 < kanzure> or ultracold stuff
00:46 < kanzure> hm, nevermind
00:46 < kanzure> there was some literal "freeze a nanosecond pulse of light" stuff a while back via ultracold physics
00:46 < fenn> video about it http://www.gadgetoff.com/2007/video-silverman.html
00:49 < fenn> "advanced scientific concepts"
00:56 < avicenna> how does he create the 3d images??
00:57 < avicenna> from single point of capture
01:00 < fenn> the laser pulse scans through the depth of field at the speed of light. the camera is fast enough to watch as it progresses
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01:19 < fenn> lol, robotic boomerang: http://www.veratech.aero/phantom.html
01:23 < fenn> fascism is alive and well, in, well, wherever this is: http://www.flickr.com/photos/novas0x2a/3882576557/
01:27 < kanzure> i read it as "facism" 
01:27 < kanzure> facism is a SERIOUS problem
01:40 < fenn> i'm a facist
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04:06 < ybit> did we ever get a link for the optogenetically controlled mice?
04:06 < ybit> s/link/paper
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05:17 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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09:29 < ybit> drr
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13:10 < Utopiah> huge... http://crisismaven.wordpress.com/references/references-subjects-covered/data-structuring/data-visualisation-references/
13:16 < kanzure> guess i'll submit gapminder to him
13:35 < Utopiah> jrayhawk: since you seem to be into geolocalisation http://developer.yahoo.com/geo/placemaker/
13:51 < kanzure> alec emailed me today asking for stl2iges .. hate to break the news for him though
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15:01 < kanzure> hey kingjacob 
15:01 < kanzure> oh, just a ping timeout
15:21 < Utopiah> http://datacluster.infochimps.org/
15:22 < Utopiah> http://semanticwebaustin.org/sxsw/
15:25 < kanzure> i saw infochimps.org's capitalfactory pitch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIuqJ1QZpvI
15:42 < kanzure> why don't i have a /var/git
15:55 < fenn> because it's one more random directory to remember to backup?
15:55 < kanzure> but at some point i had a /var/git for some reason
15:59 < kingjacob> yes
16:00 < kingjacob> kanzure ?
16:00 < kanzure> you had a ping timeout and i thought you had logged in
16:01 < kingjacob> oh haha.
16:03 < kingjacob> We're getting into austin late morning tomorrow, when are you free?
16:04 < kanzure> all day, but maybe busy from 5pm to 7pm
16:07 < kingjacob> In that case, I'll just call when we're an hour out, cool?
16:07 < kanzure> sounds good
16:07 < kanzure> also: super mario on an 8x8 LED matrix http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2361357,00.asp
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16:08 < kanzure> hm they typoed it with "Ardiuno"
16:09 < fenn> damn i should be here right now: http://www.exploratorium.edu/pi/
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16:40 < fenn> hmm so, yeah. i dont know what i'd use a crappy 3d camera for, but apparently i have one already: http://vimeo.com/8392566
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17:18 < kanzure> hi ferrouswheel 
17:18 < kanzure> iirc, you do opencog magic?
17:25 < ferrouswheel> kanzure, indeed I do
17:26 < ferrouswheel> I vaguely recall I've hung out here in the past, but thought I should join the channel as a H+ board member ;-) ... even though I know this channel isn't necessarily associated with the H+ org.
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17:30 < genehacker> fenn is that 3d camera just one camera?
17:31 < genehacker> or is there some sort of projector projecting on what is being scanned
17:31 < genehacker> now does that PS3 eye have good optics?
17:31 < genehacker> because it certainly fulfills the low resolution requirements for our robot
17:33 < genehacker> NEED ROBOT VISION THAT WORKS
17:47 < kanzure> genehacker: you going to this? http://www.texaslinuxfest.org/talks/
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18:31 < genehacker> no
18:31 < kanzure> what if i pick you up
18:36 < genehacker> would love to
18:36 < genehacker> I'm in Dallas
18:36 < genehacker> that's going to make things hard
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19:12 < fenn> genehacker: it's one camera, 640x480, something about a projector doing "structured light" which i can imagine might increase the 3D resolution
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19:29 < kanzure> wow, this is impressive in the spam-is-terrible way: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/03/14/1551230/Classmatescom-Settles-Lawsuit-Over-Phony-Friends?art_pos=7
19:35 < fenn> wow a $3 cash payout!
19:36 < genehacker> dammit
19:36 < genehacker> that'll never work for a robot
19:37 < genehacker> which means we'll stick with laser scanners
19:37 < fenn> 640x480 is plenty
19:37 < kanzure> nice someone on slashdot discribes gpl as "freedom forward"
19:37 < fenn> more than that and you will be wasting cpu cycles dealing with all the pixels
19:37 < kanzure> s/freedom forward/forward freedom/
19:38 < kanzure> i'm sure there's some way to improve on that stylization of the idea
19:38 < genehacker> I know
19:38 < genehacker> we need low res cameras with high optics
19:38 < genehacker> we'll probably go with an i-sight
19:38 < genehacker> an isight with the apple scrapped off...
19:39 < fenn> i was not impressed with the i-sight
19:40 < fenn> you really ought to try out a ps3 eye before making any decision
19:40 < kanzure> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/bugs.html how to report bugs effectively (simon tatham)
19:40 < fenn> it rocks.. it's like an old CCD camera
19:40 < kanzure> ew wtf is the "opencontent license"? http://www.opencontent.org/opl.shtml
19:41 < kanzure> http://www.opencontent.org/definition/
19:41 < kanzure> cooperables?
19:42 < kanzure> is cooperable a word?
19:42 < kanzure> `dict` says no
19:43 < fenn> no
19:44 < genehacker> well I'll have to talk to our vision team
19:44 < fenn> apparently it's a trademark though
19:44 < kanzure> genehacker: are you talking about the RAS vision team?
19:44 < genehacker> yes
19:44 < genehacker> we're doing IGVC
19:44 < kanzure> right
19:44 < kanzure> are you on the igcvc mailing list too?
19:45 < kanzure> *igvc
19:45 < genehacker> yes
19:45 < kanzure> i wish i could do real-time network diagnostics.. i.e. "why does my connection suck?"
19:45 < genehacker> drop yourself from the list on sunday, it makes our leaders angry
19:45 < kanzure> kanzure@pikachu:~$ whylag
19:45 < kanzure> 200.222.222.222 is downloading /blah.avi
19:45 < genehacker> you named your box pikachu?
19:46 < kanzure> pikachu is my laptop
19:46 < kanzure> leibniz is heybryan.org
19:46 < kanzure> davinci is designfiles.org
19:46 < genehacker> oh
19:46 < fenn> kanzure: netstat --inet ?
19:47 < fenn> you'd need a real linux router to do more complicated stuff, otherwise you couldn't know about what's happening on other computers on your NAT LAN
19:47 < genehacker> dammit why can't we all just have fiber that plugs in straight to the router?
19:47 < kanzure> when i run that on leibniz i get only a weird udp thing (localhost-only) and the ssh session i just popped open
19:48 < kanzure> although there is a weird thing on davinci on port 40047 to ides.fscked.org:9090
19:49 < kanzure> mike perry?
19:49 < kanzure> are we running a tor node?
19:49 < kanzure> "Mike Perry Mad Computer Scientist fscked.org evil labs"
19:50 < kanzure> apparently he posts to kde.org
19:50 < genehacker> that's odd
19:50 < kanzure> "As if publicising the security flaws isn’t enough, Perry will be releasing an automated hacking tool that exploits them."
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19:51 < kanzure> that connection is no longer there
19:52 < genehacker> he feeds the skiddies...
19:53 < kanzure> http://torstatus.kgprog.com/router_detail.php?FP=f397038adc51336135e7b80bd99ca3844360292b
19:54 < fenn> mike perry sounds familiar.. didn't i just run across that name?
19:55 < fenn> oh heh it was on fscked.org, nevermind
19:56 < fenn> apparently i can remember a name's context for less than 5 minutes
19:57 < kanzure> congratulations, you're only marginally smarter than a fish!
19:57 < genehacker> you're running a tor node?
19:57 < genehacker> have you been attacked by a world government yet
19:59 < kanzure> i am not running a tor exit node
20:00 < genehacker> oh
20:02 < kanzure> jrayhawk: should i know the name "mike perry"?
20:04 < jrayhawk> Not a name I recognize.
20:10 < kanzure> http://nudeal.com/selling-lead/hot-sell-spy-gsm-voice-transmitter-hidden-power-strip-0
20:12 < kanzure> http://hacknmod.com/hack/hide-a-hard-drive-in-a-power-strip/
20:15 < fenn> there's a bit of a difference between a UPS and a power strip
20:22 < genehacker> now I wonder if that cryptomnicon door with a powerful electromagnet trick works 
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20:37 < genehacker> dsl.hstntx.swbell.net, do we have someone from houston here?
20:37 < genehacker> or more specifically do we have someone who's been to TX-RX
20:38 < kingjacob> yep
20:39 < genehacker> oh cool
20:39 < genehacker> I need to visit TX-RX sometime
20:40 < genehacker> maybe this friday
20:41 < kingjacob> we have open house every friday, 
20:42 < kingjacob> so there should be a few people there after 7
20:42 < genehacker> yeah I know
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22:11 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. Time to commute.
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22:12 < fenn> oo oo can i buy this: http://search.ebay.com/390164396392
22:18 < kanzure> i might be talking with this guy on monday: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2369.txt?number=2369
22:18 < fenn> http://fennetic.net/irc/ben_tank_helmet_large.jpg
22:19 < fenn> needs more borg encrustation
22:20 < fenn> i bet bart is about as loud as a fuckin tank
22:20 < fenn> riding bart and trying to decipher japanese with my crap headphones is an exercise in futility
22:23 < fenn> who are grant neufeld and/or josh baer?
22:29 < fenn> ok i'm getting that helmet
22:31 < fenn> then i'm going to put a tux penguin pin on it
22:37 < kanzure> will you be listening to "gnu free radio" all day?
22:44 < fenn> radio free mars
22:44 < fenn> or was that galaxy free radio.. i forget
22:44 < fenn> yes, i will be monitoring all frequencies for abnormal activity
22:47 < fenn> i'm putting together an order for circuit specialists right now
22:47 < fenn> what should i do with it when i'm done? a lot of it is basic electronics development crap
22:48 < fenn> stuff hacker dojo should have but doesn't for some reason
22:57 < fenn> well i guess i oughta catch the train instead of riding an hour home
22:57 < fenn> diurnal bastards
22:59 < fenn> 
23:07 < kingjacob> what's worth checking out in Austin tomorrow?
23:10 < kanzure> if you've never been to a "visualization lab" before you should stop by ACES 2.404a on the utexas.edu campus
23:11 < kanzure> it's a 307 megapixel display
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23:58 < kanzure> "Thiel, by then a board member of Facebook, indicated that Facebook's internal valuation was around $8 billion based on their projected revenues of $1 billion by 2015"