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00:10 < fenn> for people who just don't get it: http://principialabs.com/why-i-use-linux/
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00:53 < fenn> hah piratepad.net
00:58 < fenn> i dont understand #2 of http://pantonprinciples.org/
00:59 < fenn> i'd expect open science data to be attribution/share-alike
00:59 < fenn> but they only recommend CC0?
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01:29 < fenn> guh. i hate editing other peoples' crap writing
01:30 < fenn> when i get done, it's still mostly crap
01:30 < fenn> damn you theodore sturgeon!
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05:42 < kanzure> panton principles seems to be sponsored by john wilbanks, head of 'science commons'
05:46 < kanzure> fenn: thanks for http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/call_for_volunteers
05:47 < kanzure> let's hope jacob uses it
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05:50 < Utopiah> A Turing Machine - Overview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3keLeMwfHY 
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06:03 < Utopiah> <3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYw2ewoO6c4
06:31 < kanzure> suresh quote: "In my days as an investment broker I`ve personally sold millions of dollars worth of structured product of this sort."
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07:12 < kanzure> haha it should not be so surprising to me that rms wants it to be called GLAMP
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07:26 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoc_(programming_language) is what nrn uses for its config/scripting files
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08:07 < kanzure> "SNP Dr. from DNA Electronics (London, UK): SNP Dr. hand-held lab-on-a-chip device for point-of-care SNP sequencing in 15-30 minutes to evaluate patient drug response. News article: "DNA Electronics has a hand held Genetic Testing Device - Interview with CEO""
08:07 < kanzure> neato
08:08 < kanzure> http://www.portablegenomics.com/ "smartphone genome browser"
08:09 < thesnark> but can I ask you what function that gives me? What can I get from browsing my genome?
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08:10 < kanzure> thesnark: most people want those deets so that they can pursue preventive/predictive medicine
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08:16 < thesnark> hm, cool
08:18 < kanzure> if the world was cooler than it is, then i would also add "so they know how to put you back together again when some virus nukes your genome"
08:18 < kanzure> sadly the world just isn't cool enough
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08:25 < kanzure> fenn: melanie is in your area. could you stalk her down please?
08:31 < kanzure> http://dnanexus.com/
08:32 < kanzure> fenn: dnanexus.com is also in your area, so consider stalking them as well 
08:32 < kanzure> it's too bad halcyon is so secretive
08:32 < kanzure> "the andregg brohters" as it were
08:32 < kanzure> *brothers
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08:59 < kanzure> http://www.datawrangling.com/mpi-cluster-with-python-and-amazon-ec2-part-2-of-3.html
09:00 < kanzure> http://mpiblast.pbworks.com/AmazonEC2 for BLAST
09:00 < kanzure> ec2-mpi-config.py and ec2-start_cluster.py  might be worth finding
09:00 < kanzure> weird, http://runblast.com/ redirects to http://snpedia.com/
09:21 < kanzure> "bashreduce" http://blog.last.fm/2009/04/06/mapreduce-bash-script
09:38 < kanzure> http://futurememes.blogspot.com/2009/08/bio-design-automation-and-synbio-tools.html
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09:45 < kanzure> shouldn't this just be a something -> svg translator instead of custom .png files? http://openwetware.org/wiki/Endy:Notebook/BioBrick_Open_Language_Specification
09:45 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/Endy:Notebook/BioBrick_Open_Language_Specification/Comments
09:46 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/synbiodex
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10:09 < kanzure> there are some relatively recent articles listed here: http://pinkarmy.org/media/
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10:18 < kanzure> i updated the diybio news list a bit: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F
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10:41 < kanzure> a lot of comments here on diybio: http://scienceblogs.com/oscillator/2010/03/diybio_and_the_gentleman_scien.php
10:41 < kanzure> long comments, at that
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14:10 < kanzure> fenn: jacob wrote some responses, apparently http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/call_for_volunteers
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14:23 < JayDugger> Hello, everyone.
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14:44 < kanzure> so, i bought a laser cutter
14:44 < kanzure> it's more like an engraver though
14:45 < kanzure> 25W (it measures in at 28W though)
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14:48 < JayDugger> What have you meade with it?
14:48 < JayDugger> s/ meade/ made
14:55 < kanzure> just bought it today, picking it up tomorrow
14:56 < kristianpaul> kanzure: ohh
14:56 < kristianpaul> kanzure: wich one?
14:56 < kristianpaul> link?
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14:57 < kanzure> it's a universal-laser-systems brand engraver
14:58 < kanzure> for some reason i neglected to write down the model number
14:58 < kanzure> 10micron wavelength, 25W, not sure the positional accuracy or beam diameter
15:05 < JayDugger> Have fun with it.
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15:23 < genehacker> how much and what for?
15:23 < genehacker> 25 watts?
15:24 < genehacker> and an engraver?
15:26 < fenn> can you "engrave" microfluidic circuits with a laser?
15:27 < genehacker> errr...
15:27 < genehacker> one of my fluidics papers said
15:29 < genehacker> insufficient surface quality
15:29 < genehacker> for fluidics, which operate at high RE
15:31 < ybit> RE?
15:33 < ybit> should tell me in http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/iel5/10951/34490/01645733.pdf 
15:33 < ybit> _ electrode
15:38 < fenn> you could do some kind of surface modification later, like spray a coating or flame polish
15:39 < kanzure> fenn: yes i think so
15:39 < fenn> or solvent polish
15:39 < kanzure> definitely worth testing
15:41 < kanzure> basic test is a fucking line (engraved) plus an inlet, maybe with holes for two screws
15:41 < kanzure> plus a complementary piece of whatever material it is
15:41 < kanzure> and some food coloring dyes
15:42 < kanzure> i am disappointed that you have to press print on a computer (or issue the command) and then also press the "START" (yes the one with all caps) button on the machine itself
15:42 < fenn> tape down the "START" button :P
15:43 < fenn> basic test for laminar flow would need two inlets for different dyes
15:43 < kanzure> why is this?
15:43 < fenn> to see if they mix or not
15:44 < kanzure> without a pump it's not only lamniar but also surface tension
15:44 < kanzure> *laminar
15:45 < kanzure> i guess i should mentally prep myself to use a pumping system anyway
15:46 < QuantumG> If you want to intern for @mastenspace  this summer you have one week to get your app in - April 4 deadline! http://bit.ly/bMRdxF
15:47 < kanzure> i saw david masten on the extropy-chat mailing list once and had to do a double take
15:47 < kanzure> turns out he's an extropian
15:48 < fenn> "Thorium Energy Alliance Conference" this week in mountain view
15:49 < kanzure> is this important?
15:49 < kanzure> hey don't you hate conferences or something
15:49 < QuantumG> what's an extropian?
15:50 < kanzure> QuantumG: http://www.maxmore.com/extprn3.htm see the numbered list
15:50 < kanzure> supertranshumanists on steroids
15:50 < QuantumG> and if you wanna talk to someone about Thorium, talk to Kirk Sorenson
15:50 < kanzure> except most of them don't actually do anything
15:50 < kanzure> so i guess they aren't that super
15:50 < kanzure> um, nevermind
15:51 < QuantumG> heh
15:51 < QuantumG> Masten and most the people he's hired are hardcore libertarians
15:52 < kanzure> crud it's been 30+ days since i've been meaning to reply to isabelle hakala's email?
15:52 < kanzure> man, when i forget to reply to an email, i really really forget
15:52 < kanzure> i found another one today from 20 days ago from someone wanting to build an open source waterjet cutter with me
15:52 < kanzure> "oops"
15:53 < kanzure> william mook too.. blah
15:54 < kanzure> for some reason february 15th to march 10th was some sort of social deadspot for me where i forgot to follow-up with anyone
15:54 < QuantumG> I said to someone yesterday "hey, I'd love to discuss this further with you if you're interested"  .. he replied to me with a telephone number.  sigh, fucking old people.
15:54 < fenn> don't get burned out
15:55 < genehacker> RE= reynolds number
15:55 < genehacker> solvent polish?
15:55 < genehacker> interesting
15:55 < genehacker> never thought of that
15:55 < kanzure> well i think i am just counting the failures, the number of successes is way more and wasn't evident on the view i was looking at
15:55 < fenn> are you keeping score? :)
15:56 < genehacker> oh and kanzure the the ion beam lithography machines here supposedly take some non-proprietary fileformat like .dxf too...
15:56 < fenn> dxf isn't really "non-proprietary"
15:56 < genehacker> if it's low RE the dyes won't mix
15:57 < kanzure> fenn: i am, surprisingly, not tracking my follow-ups-needed at the moment. wtf is up with that
15:57 < genehacker> as there is no turbulence
15:58 < genehacker> because there is no turbulence the process is isentropic and reversible
15:58 < kanzure> you can add in some mixing chambers
15:58  * genehacker digs up a cool video showing this
15:58 < kanzure> right now i am primarily interested in flow
15:59 < kanzure> fenn: did microsoft ever get a patent on the .doc format, or anyone else on a proprietary file format for that matter?
15:59 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhsmOc7Hb8Q
15:59 < kanzure> oh, png
15:59 < kanzure> nevermind
16:00 < genehacker> fast forward to 3:00
16:00 < genehacker> for something neat
16:09 < fenn> i wonder how the google streetview works on bike trails
16:10 < kanzure> i don't think the google van does bike trains
16:10 < kanzure> *trails
16:11 < kanzure> cool les is giving me a key
16:11 < fenn> but they have photos on the trail
16:11 < kanzure> it's been only, what, 14mo?
16:12 < genehacker> they have bikes them with a street view omnicam setup
16:12 < fenn> http://tinyurl.com/y9pzzrp
16:12 < kanzure> "warning: google is not responsible for any lions and/or cougars on bike trail"
16:13 < kanzure> actually, if anyone can radio tag all of the wild animals in the u.s., it'd be google
16:14 < fenn> well here's my answer http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article6702161.ece
16:15 < genehacker> hahaha
16:15 < genehacker> now that'd be neat
16:16 < fenn> i'm going to make a helmet setup for recording omnidirectional images, but not with the spherical reflection thing
16:17 < genehacker> will you do omnidirectional stereo imaging?
16:18 < fenn> that trike looks awful heavy and clunky
16:18 < genehacker> so you can put on some shutter glasses and see things in 3D
16:18 < fenn> i dont think stereo would work very well with the limited resolution
16:18 < fenn> and small spacing distance
16:19 < fenn> you can do 3d in some directions based on the fact that you moved x meters
16:19 < genehacker> omnidirection stereo uses mirror balls from what I know
16:20 < genehacker> if you took lots of pictures and had lots of computational power you could build up a 3d point cloud then do that for 3d
16:22 < fenn> jeezus.. this from a country that has the most security cameras per capita: "Villagers in Broughton, Buckinghamshire, even formed a human chain to stop the Street View car entering its quiet roads, forcing the driver to make an abrupt U-turn, leaving the village off the mapping service."
16:24 < genehacker> well I guess they have so many cameras they don't need it
16:24 < fenn> UK military using designs from US video games: http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/article7078725.ece
16:24 < fenn> actually i dont really see what the link to video games is
16:26 < genehacker> see what your friends see after you've been killed, but before that
16:26 < fenn> hopefully realtime streaming video doesn't get restricted under ITAR
16:27 < genehacker> hopefully opencv doesn't fall under ITAR
16:28 < kanzure> is the military using big dog from boston dynamics yet?
16:28 < kanzure> *bigdog
16:29 < genehacker> http://gadgets.boingboing.net/2007/09/06/samsung-files-patent.html
16:29 < genehacker> uses heuristics of human movement
16:29 < genehacker> oh wait that's right opencv sucks
16:29 < genehacker> how could I forget
16:30 < genehacker> so kanzure that microfluidics stuff you're trying to do relies on marangoni convection?
16:30 < fenn> why does opencv suck?
16:31 < kanzure> no, this is not marangoni convection
16:31 < kanzure> marangoni is where you use either applied force on a surface or use heat on a surface to make fluids move
16:31 < genehacker> I don't know, apparently according to the software people on the IGVC team it's code is not optimized so it's not fast or something
16:32 < kanzure> academics sfucking suck at programming
16:32 < kanzure> no exceptions, ever
16:32 < genehacker> we're not even academics
16:32 < kanzure> you're students.
16:33 < genehacker> ok
16:33 < kanzure> have you read their source code?
16:33 < fenn> i figure igvc would have plenty of processing power available
16:33 < genehacker> I haven't
16:34 < genehacker> I'm on the mechanical team
16:34 < kanzure> you probably have svn access to the source 
16:35 < kanzure> i think it's on igvc.ras.ece.utexas.edu
16:35 < kanzure> .. maybe.
16:36 < genehacker> I suck at programming, so what's an svn again?
16:36 < genehacker> code repository?
16:36 < kanzure> svn is short for "subversion", a centralized revision control system 
16:37 < kanzure> programmers download the svn repository with svn tools, make their changes to the code until it does what they want
16:37 < kanzure> then they have svn send it back to the original server
16:37 < kanzure> and then everyone else can play with the changes, and revert things if that guy screwed it all up
16:37 < genehacker> that's what I figured
16:37 < kanzure> RAS uses svn everywhere
16:38 < fenn> this is fun.. remote control reprap cam http://shop.metrixcreatespace.com:8821/
16:38 < genehacker> it's not really remote control
16:38 < genehacker> so it's more like just reprap cam
16:38 < fenn> i can control it from here
16:38 < genehacker> you can?
16:38 < fenn> pan and tilt
16:39 < fenn> it actually has decent response too, unlike most webcams
16:39 < kanzure> how are they solving race conditions?
16:39 < genehacker> oh neat
16:39 < kanzure> i.e. two people trying to tilt in the wrong ways
16:40 < genehacker> that's amazing response time
16:40 < fenn> "That's because we have fast tubes (50mbps/10mpbs). We have a managed Cisco switch rather than a linksys hub. Our WiFi gear is from our 'other store', which primarily sells WiFi gear to people building WiFi businesses. We give you a publicly routeable IPV6 address."
16:41 < fenn> kanzure: you get a 30 second guaranteed lock
16:41 < kanzure> heh 
16:41 < genehacker> so telerobots don't suck now
16:42 < kanzure> i can't remember where i played with someone's house robot before
16:42 < kanzure> but it was a telerobo
16:42 < genehacker> back in the day you'd have to wait seconds for a robot response
16:42 < kanzure>  thing in a java applet, you could make it bump into his walls for him! :P
16:43 < genehacker> was it a kit robot he was selling?
16:43 < kanzure> no
16:43 < kanzure> just something custom he built
16:43 < kanzure> i think a lot of people have done this
16:43 < kanzure> but it's nice to have a shop-cam exposed over the web, that's kinda new in comparison
16:43 < genehacker> well a lot of people, but not the average joe
16:44 < kanzure> jrayhawk: is genehacker talking about you?
16:44 < genehacker> well now the thing to do now that laptop cams are ubiquitous is have a telerobot people can be at a hackerspace
16:44 < genehacker> I don't think so
16:44 < genehacker> it's just something I found on a list of webtoys
16:46 < genehacker> now I wonder if the response time is good enough for a manipulator setup
16:47 < genehacker> after all, surgeons are able to do operations over the web(no priority bandwidth, from a couple miles away though...)
16:47 < kanzure> pwm over the internet!!!11one it's the next best thing in CAM tech! cloud machining
16:47 < kanzure> hahaha sadly people are probably pouring money into it :(
16:47 < fenn> i think they are using http://www.fastpath.it/products/palantir/
16:47 < genehacker> cloud machining would be cool
16:48 < kanzure> no it wouldn't
16:48 < genehacker> but first you need to put mills in everyones house
16:48 < kanzure> wtf is wrong with you
16:48 < kanzure> that's not cloud
16:48 < genehacker> oh then I'm confused about the cloud
16:48 < kanzure> it's this thing that only companies can own and that you don't.
16:48 < fenn> what is the point of telerobotic surgery from a couple miles away
16:48 < fenn> you can just drive to the operating room instead
16:48 < genehacker> I guess that would be something like a big lights out machining center
16:49 < genehacker> so the doctor can do a surgery in his beach luxury home without driving
16:49 < kanzure> i was about to ask bill today if he has ever tried nrn on ec2
16:50 < kanzure> and then i realized he's buying a 240-node supercomputer
16:50 < kanzure> i don't want to stop that :)(
16:50 < genehacker> did you hear they're upgrading the RANGER here?
16:50 < kanzure> what are the upgrades?
16:50 < genehacker> they're going to cool it with fluorinert
16:50 < kanzure> hm
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16:54 < fenn> hum the camera they're using is only $57
16:55 < kanzure> too expensive for your tastes?
16:55 < fenn> not at all
16:56 < fenn> it'd be hard to build one for less
16:56 < kanzure> does cupsd work with a network?
16:57 < kanzure> i want to get the laser on wifi
16:57 < fenn> yes, cupsd supports print servers
16:57 < fenn> i've been traumatized by cups repeatedly though
17:00 < genehacker> hmmm you can get ~50 Mbps upload/download WiMAX in europe and korea
17:00 < fenn> and in austin
17:00 < fenn> but not in much of silicon valley, oddly
17:02 < genehacker> really?
17:02 < genehacker> with that clear stuff?
17:02 < fenn> hmm they charge $0.50/min for makerbot usage
17:02 < fenn> that seems like a lot to me
17:22 < kanzure> martin wants to charge $10/hour for laser cutter usage
17:22 < kanzure> oh per minute?
17:23 < fenn> how did he come up with that number?
17:24 < kanzure> everyone else in austin charges $75/hour to $100/hour
17:24 < kanzure> les suggested that martin goes $25/hour
17:25 < kanzure> (martin is buying his own laser cutter apparently?)
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17:37 < CIA-55> skdb: kanzure * r c44663d /clients/thingiverse.py: various methods to parse pages from thingiverse
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17:44 < kanzure> wow that guy who wants to do an oshw waterjet spent $100k on his
17:46 < kanzure> (and the laser cutter i bought today was $25k new in 1990)
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18:02 < fenn> this sounds really great at first and quickly turns sour http://mbed.org/tour/
18:03 < fenn> waterjets are typically about $100k
18:07 < kanzure> yes but.. why
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18:15 < kanzure> maybe it's $1 per psi?
18:15 < kanzure> :P
18:23 < fenn> pretty much
18:25 < kanzure> "adverse drug reactions (ADRs) account for an alarming 7% of all hospital admissions and are ranked as the 5th leading cause of death in the USA with costs exceeding $100 billion annually in the USA."
18:26 < kanzure> 7% is pretty high
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18:34 < fenn> weird, ubuntu is going with my light gray on dark gray color scheme
18:34 < fenn> as default
18:40 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/diybio_promo.png
18:40 < kanzure> i wish that was a robotic hand
18:42 < fenn> where did that come from?
18:42 < kanzure> presentation crumbs randomly spread out over the web by jason bobe
18:43 < fenn> i mean who drew it
18:43 < fenn> answer: http://diybio.org/2009/12/11/diybio-graphics/
18:44 < kanzure> it was found in file:bobe_presentation.pdf (2010-03-11)
18:45 < kanzure> notes they gave the designers: http://etherpad.com/DoP7WIcYPm
18:45 < kanzure> i wonder how much that cost
18:45 < kanzure> because that's pretty good :)
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18:46 < fenn> yeah
18:46 < kanzure> cool link in that etherpad.com page: http://www.droplet-microscopy.org/
18:47 < kanzure> haha "== actual hardware ==" quick someone contact dave rauchwerk for trademark infringement!
18:47 < fenn> is it just me or is everyone using etherpad all of a sudden?
18:47 < kanzure> or something
18:47 < kanzure> it's just you, it's been gaining popularity over the past 6mo or so
18:47 < kanzure> piratepad, etherpad, etc.
18:49 < fenn> well it was released open source in january or so.. i've just seen a lot of it the last 4 days or so
18:49 < kanzure> where else have you seen it except panton principles, or something
18:50 < fenn> mmm rainbow poke-vomit: http://polytroncorporation.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/goodgames.png
18:50 < kanzure> oh and other than ben goertzel / pathetic-attempt-to-get-google-to-reconsider-opencog-for-gsoc2010
18:51 < fenn> i attended a workshop on google app engine where we made extensive use of it
18:51 < kanzure> woah where the fuck did this come from
18:51 < kanzure> http://invivia.wordpress.com/2009/07/19/cnc-plotter-a-platform-for-diy-biorapid-prototypingsculpture-image-experiments/
18:51 < fenn> http://etherpad.com/appengineworkshop
18:52 < QuantumG> heh, why was google hating on opencog?   do they recognize a dead project when they see one?
18:52 < kanzure> i don't know why they accepted opencog in the first place
18:53 < fenn> crayons?
18:54 < kanzure> "# holding a brush, probably at an angle, dipping it in paint"
18:54 < kanzure> heh two laptops piled up in one of the photos
18:55 < kanzure> hm even extrusion
18:57 < kanzure> http://www.invivia.com/v3/
18:57 < kanzure> some consultant
18:58 < kanzure> peter mabardi <glovescout@aol.com> phone: 617-497-9900
18:58 < kanzure> er, not sure about the aol address though
18:59 < fenn> http://crittercrunch.com/markezpumpkin.JPG
18:59 < kanzure> oops, he's extension 110 and peter_mabardi@invivia.com
18:59 < kanzure> looks like they actually have employees?
19:00 < kanzure> wtf is up with that pumpkin
19:01 < fenn> one is barfing into the other
19:02 < kanzure> http://www.seedinglabs.org/ "Seeding Labs supports scientific research in developing countries by providing affordable reclaimed laboratory equipment and facilitating connections within the global scientific research community."
19:02 < kanzure> am i a developing country? :/
19:02 < kanzure> found that via http://outlawbiology.net/symposium-notes-from-diybio-org/
19:03 < kanzure> hey wtf a link to etherpad
19:03 < kanzure> fine, you win, fenn.
19:15 < kanzure> matt mccabe wants to give a talk about the austin hackerspace at defcon18
19:15 < kanzure> i simply don't get it
19:15 < kanzure> why is martin's austin hackerspace so important that defcon should accept a talk on it
19:15 < kanzure> what about the other hackerspaces?
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19:18 < kanzure> woahzo the $100k waterjet guy says: "I have about a 10k sq ft workspace", and it runs on debian :)
19:18 < kanzure> so why did i let this guy slide for almost a month
19:18 < kanzure> i wonder where he is
19:32 < kanzure> updated: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F
19:36 < fenn> "On Saturday the Federal Communications Commission the Orange County Sheriff's department raided a pirate radio station called "Street Heat" that ran ads for gangs and provided information on where to get drugs and prostitutes. "
19:36 < fenn> ~[6~[6~[6~[6~
19:37 < fenn> does the waterjet use EMC?
19:37 < fenn> does he have a webpage? why the fuck not (if not)
19:40 < fenn> http://aturingmachine.com/hardware.php
19:40 < fenn> it's a ... turing machine
19:40 < fenn> actually drawing out the 1's and 0's is a bit much though
19:47 < kanzure> andy (the waterjet guy) randomly emailed me first, so i only have an email address that doesn't lead anywhere
19:50 < fenn> "Ever since the full text of the secret Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) leaked earlier this week, scholars and activists have been poring over the document, finding the buried bodies. Today, Michael Geist discusses the way that ACTA makes the UN copyright agency, WIPO, irrelevant, replacing it with a private members' club composed of rich countries that get to dictate information policy to poor countries."
19:53 < kanzure> neat the german wikipedia article on diybio is more developed http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DIYbio
19:54 < fenn> looks about the same to me
19:55 < kanzure> more references
19:55 < fenn> isnt there a markup protocol for crosslinking translated sentences between documents? so if one sentence changes it gets flagged in the other doc
19:55 < kanzure> i just updated this: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F
19:56 < kanzure> google translate has some nifty javascript for hover-over translations on chunks of a page
19:56 < kanzure> but no
19:56 < kanzure> Utopiah: you might know something?
19:57 < fenn> there is something like this for .po files (GNU gettext strings for programs) but not general wiki/web page stuff afaik
19:58 < kanzure> are .po files where translations (for internationalization) come from?
20:00 < fenn> ya
20:00 < fenn> there is even some support for auto-translating strings that haven't been looked at by a human translator yet
20:01 < kanzure> this sounds like a potential completely comedic disaster waiting to happen
20:01 < fenn> hail eris!
20:02 < fenn> i mean, um, do you think anything would happen if i were to carry several enrcrypted hard drives on an international flight
20:03  * fenn mumbles something about OCR'ing secret government treaties
20:03 < kanzure> no, but why would you do that? internetz?
20:03 < fenn> *shrug*
20:04 < fenn> sneakernetz is faster
20:04 < fenn> and cheaper
20:06 < kanzure> is there a mail-order upload service yet?
20:06 < kanzure> !paper Cell culture in 3-Dimensional microfluidic structure of PDMS
20:06 < kanzure> wah
20:10 < kanzure> i've been holding off writing a long-overdue long email to mr. anonymous
20:11 < kanzure> how do i artificially motivate myself to do this
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20:13 < fenn> i dont know why you want to write an email or what motivates you
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20:15 < kanzure> i am supposed to be writing weekly update emails
20:15 < kanzure> that's what that super-long 2010-01-12 email was all about.
20:16 < kanzure> the motivation is mountains and mountains of funding
20:17 < kanzure> oh maybe i should work on the presentation for http://texaslinuxfest.org/ instead
20:18 < kanzure> "To launch and recover a rocket powered by sugar-propellant to an altitude of 33 km, thereby achieving 1/3 the altitude goal of the Sugar Shot to Space program."
20:18 < kanzure> ^ from http://docs.google.com/View?id=ddx6cw25_8fjzhxggc
20:34 < fenn> i can write updates if it matters
20:34 < fenn> for stuff i do, i mean. i dont know wtf you are doing :P
20:35 < kanzure> that would be cool and helpful, yes
20:36 < kanzure> what /am/ i doing
20:36 < fenn> that's why i started keeping track.. i didnt know
20:38 < kanzure> more in the sense of "what are you doing 'with your life'" (which i know, but nobody ever really knows if it's working)
20:38 < fenn> yeah, that's that i mean
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20:44 < sebastien_b> Evening all.
20:44 < kanzure> sebastien_b: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/thingiverse/thingiverse_packages/
20:45  * sebastien_b clicks the link.
20:45 < sebastien_b> did you just crawl thingiverse?
20:46 < sebastien_b> :D
20:46 < kanzure> no
20:47 < sebastien_b> kanzure, this looks cool.  What is it?
20:48 < kanzure> it's an attempt at converting thingiverse.com's collection into skdb stub/skeleton packages
20:48 < sebastien_b> Interesting.
20:49 < kanzure> there's only a few repraps in the austin area, but i've been meaning to demonstrate
20:49 < kanzure> er, to demo something like "skdb-get cathal-microlathe-project-thingy --build" (or whatever)
20:49 < kanzure> and then have the reprap start up
20:50 < kanzure> (or for the marketing people, "an app store")
20:50  * sebastien_b doesn't _do_ marketing.  :)
20:50 < kanzure> yes you do
20:51 < sebastien_b> kanzure, I guess so.
20:52 < sebastien_b> I think of it as trying to maximize people's ability to participate with RepRap.org.
20:52 < sebastien_b> But I've never sold anything.
20:52 < sebastien_b> I don't think I'll have any stuff to sell at Bay Area Maker Faire.
20:53 < sebastien_b> Hey, how's the 80-20 thingy going?
20:53  * sebastien_b needs to go afk right _now_.
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20:53 < kanzure> i have some goons working for me pursuing the paperwork
20:54  * kanzure sends them an email
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21:03 < sebastien_b> kanzure, cool.
21:04 < sebastien_b> You know about bothacker's new RepStrap?
21:05 < kanzure> no, but you linked me to it a few days ago and i completely spaced on it :(
21:05 < kanzure> it's 8020-based, right?
21:06 < sebastien_b> Yes. He's going to be doing it up in the RepRap wiki. And he's planning on selling kits at MakerFaire.
21:06 < sebastien_b> http://bothacker.com/2010/02/28/t-rep-2-preview/
21:25 < fenn> mmm t-rep *drool*
21:26 < fenn> are those plate cutouts w/rounded corners a standard t-slot thing?
21:26 < sebastien_b> Nope, waterjet cutter stuff. Just send the dxf file to you local waterjet shop ...
21:27 < fenn> poo
21:27 < sebastien_b> Or maybe your buddy with the laser cutter.
21:27 < fenn> or maybe buy a makerbot
21:28 < fenn> oh well i can drill 4 holes without needing a laser cutter
21:28 < sebastien_b> :)
21:29  * sebastien_b didn't realize people could work sheet plastic without laser cutters or waterjet cutters.  :p
21:29 < fenn> o_O
21:30  * sebastien_b will learn how to use a tablesaw this summer or fall.
21:30 < fenn> tablesaws are overrated
21:30 < fenn> it's like duct tape or dremel tool
21:30 < sebastien_b> Maybe a radial arm saw then.
21:30 < fenn> yeah, better chance of keeping fingers that way
21:30 < sebastien_b> fenn, I don't have a good way to make square cuts in sheets of wood.
21:31 < fenn> why do you need large square pieces of wood?
21:31 < sebastien_b> Because I want to make crates and boxes.
21:31 < fenn> if under 14" or so you should use a miter chop saw
21:31 < sebastien_b> And then put some gears in them, and call them repstaraps.
21:32 < fenn> gears..
21:32 < fenn> i'm not successfully visualizing this
21:33 < sebastien_b> fenn, visualize a mendel.
21:33 < sebastien_b> Now, cut pegboard and make a box around the mendel.
21:33 < sebastien_b> Let some of the rods poke through, and bolt them to the box.
21:34 < sebastien_b> Now, remove most of the plastic parts of mendel.
21:34 < fenn> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/dms/meccano/dale/gearbox/box2.jpg
21:34  * sebastien_b recognizes that picture.
21:35 < sebastien_b> Yes, you can use angle as well.
21:36 < sebastien_b> But _decent_ angle is a bit difficult to source. Contraptor chooses to drill the angle manually, I'd prefer to have a machine do it.
21:36 < fenn> they're experimenting with using a shopbot to drill
21:36 < sebastien_b> And, before that, I'm going to make boxes out of pegboard.
21:36 < sebastien_b> fenn, I heard about that.
21:38 < sebastien_b> Slightly different approach. I spend too much time talking about it, and too little time making it.
21:40  * sebastien_b is back in 600 s.
21:57  * sebastien_b pokes kanzure and fenn.
21:58 < jrayhawk> KYDEX is neat stuff :)
21:58 < sebastien_b> the local ottawa robotics club loves that stuff.
21:59 < jrayhawk> I just made me a holster. Very easy to work with.
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23:02 < sebastien_b> kanzure, fenn, let's talk another time about git, gitorious, reprap, and skdb.
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23:32 < fenn> kydex eh? i should get some to play with
23:34 < fenn> i wonder if it makes sense to do a composite kydex/ABS part
23:35 < fenn> is there a generic version that's cheaper?
23:38 < kanzure> i wonder if i'll be able to get cheap 8020 as a distributor
23:38  * kanzure is done with his ridiculously long update email
23:55 < fenn> "panera bagels" is an oxymoron