--- Day changed Wed Apr 07 2010 00:03 < fenn> i was so going to make this, but now that i see it exists i feel less obligated to do so: http://robotsanddinosaurs.org/?p=168 00:05 < fenn> "Do not connect the probe to voltages that exceed 5 volts under any conditions." is pretty weaksauce 00:13 < fenn> huh how did i miss this: http://dangerousprototypes.com/bus-pirate-manual/ 00:13 < fenn> 200MHz logic analyzer 00:14 < fenn> that's way better than miniLA 00:26 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-45-85.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:32 -!- strages [~strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:58 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:49 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-43-126.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:01 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-43-126.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:04 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-45-85.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 04:21 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-43-126.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:52 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-53-72.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:08 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-53-72.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:00 -!- Noahj1 [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:02 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.71.123] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:48 -!- Redeemer_2 [~Redeemer_@174-20-243-43.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:02 -!- guibou [~guibou@kraken.insecable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:03 < guibou> hello here... I'm looking for support on python-ooc and the only irc link I found is here, anyone with python-ooc knowledge ? 07:16 -!- Noahj [~noah@216.41.93.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:25 -!- Noahj1 [~noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:28 -!- Noahj [~noah@216.41.93.130] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:47 < kanzure> guibou: yep 07:48 < guibou> kanzure: hello ;) I'm trying to convert step iges to stl file 07:49 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/skdb/import_tools/iges2stl.py 07:49 < guibou> kanzure: I thing I succed (because I have an stl file now), but I'm trying to understand how to have a binary one and what are the params Coeficient and defflection 07:49 < guibou> Hoo, I look at your script 07:52 < guibou> kanzure: ok, your script is exactly what I have done currently, thank you, but how to parametrize how the tesselation is done ? 07:52 < kanzure> i have never tried that. 07:54 < guibou> ok 08:05 < guibou> The api is well documented, there is only two functions and I'm unable to know how to use it ;) 08:06 < kanzure> the api is *not* well documented 08:06 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/ might be helpful? 08:06 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/occ6.3.0/doc/ 08:09 < guibou> http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/occ6.3.0/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/DataExchange/html/classStlAPI__Writer.html << "Set the Deflection", miam ;) 08:18 < kanzure> miam? 08:19 < kanzure> "pimp my arm" http://groups.google.com/group/openprosthetics/web/pimp-my-arm 08:19 < kanzure> look like kuniholm is trying to get a flamethrower attachment 08:20 < kanzure> *looks 08:20 < guibou> miam means: this documentation is useless ;) 08:33 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openprosthetics/web/lego-hand 08:42 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:43 < kanzure> hey hundred-ideas 08:44 < hundred-ideas> hey kanzure 08:47 < guibou> hey you, I'm back. Anyone know how to set a value with python-occ when the C api is like objet.method() = new_value (because lvalue other that name is not valid python) 08:48 < kanzure> i have no idea what you just asked :x 08:48 < kanzure> can you give me an example from the opencascade api? 08:49 < guibou> http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/occ6.3.0/doc/ReferenceDocumentation/DataExchange/html/classStlAPI__Writer.html#a7 <<< Here ASCIIMode 08:50 < guibou> we need to do stl_writer.ASCIIMode() = true/false; but this is not possible in python 08:50 < kanzure> ASCIIMode() returns true or false 08:51 < kanzure> you set ascii mode with StlAPI_Writer (the first parameter) 08:52 < guibou> ypeError: new_StlAPI_Writer() takes no arguments (1 given) 08:52 < guibou> TypeError: __init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'ASCIIMode' 08:53 < guibou> Perhaps I'm stupid, but it does not work. 08:55 < kanzure> the problem is that, in python, there can only be one constructor 08:55 < kanzure> there are multiple constructors called StlAPI_Writer in the opencascade api 08:55 < kanzure> swig probably doesn't know how to handle these situations 08:57 < guibou> kanzure: the problem is also that the C api use the reference from the lvalue of ASCIIMode, which does not work in python 09:22 < kanzure> fenn: how about "tangible-get" 09:22 < kanzure> or tangiblegit 09:23 < kanzure> actually that should work 09:24 < kanzure> comments? 09:35 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:37 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 09:55 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:57 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:27 < kanzure> i think a photodiode in this case is overkill: http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1609732&cid=31759088 why not just use something to model the internal state of the game? 10:36 < kanzure> this has some good overviews of console hacking: http://games.slashdot.org/story/10/04/07/1221232/Sony-Update-Bricks-Playstations?art_pos=7 10:36 < kanzure> er, ps2/ps3/wii hacking 10:43 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: hey, have you seen the open bioinformatics foundation's call for gsoc2010 proposals? 10:43 < hundred-ideas> no 10:43 < kanzure> i'd like to see some of the diybio students (in universities) pitch a few ideas for obf gsoc2010 10:43 < kanzure> it's a $5k stipend to do open source software work for bioinformatics and diybio 10:43 < kanzure> http://open-bio.org/wiki/Google_Summer_of_Code 10:43 < kanzure> in particular for college students only 10:54 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: that bbc article is old news. check: http://openwetware.org/wiki/DIYbio/FAQ#Has_DIYbio_been_in_the_news.3F 10:55 < kanzure> (well, it was also mentioned on the list i guess- cathal sent a few comments, and so did brian) 11:00 < hundred-ideas> It's a different video than the one that was mentioned before 11:11 -!- Redeemer_2 [~Redeemer_@174-20-243-43.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:35 < kanzure> wonder why ncbi is using this. http://betascience.blogspot.com/2010/02/using-aspera-instead-of-ftp-to-download.html 11:40 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- clemux [clemux@lysine.clemux.info] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:56 -!- clemux [clemux@lysine.clemux.info] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:47 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.71.123] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:01 < fenn> ncbi should switch to bittorrent 15:02 < fenn> ah good i'm not the only one saying so 15:03 < fenn> bah only 23 torrents on biotorrents? that's pathetic 15:03 < fenn> arent there like 10k different genomes by now? 15:06 -!- nsh [sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:07 < fenn> heh i love the president of aspera insisting that the tech support did in fact tell him to use -Q to enable rate control!!!! even though the mere fact that you need to specify it in the first place is retarded, and why is the company president posting 50 comments on a blog anyway 15:16 -!- nsh [sbp@59.176.232.72.static.reverse.ltdomains.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:30 < kanzure> hm check out http://www.evilmadscientist.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=2899&fromblock=yes at the "06:33 AM PDT 16:30 < kanzure> " post 16:30 < kanzure> looks like someone is claiming oshw but not actually supplying on the designs. 16:56 < kanzure> nick farr (owner of hackerspaces.org) is apparently working for al gore now 16:56 < kanzure> so, any problems with the climate should be strictly blamed on nick 16:58 < kanzure> fenn: any idea on doing an skdb package for t-slot? 16:58 < kanzure> er, for 80/20 specifically 17:00 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:14d8:67dc:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:07 < fenn> idea? 17:08 -!- Noahj1 [~noah@wsip-70-184-10-225.ri.ri.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09 < fenn> i dont get that evil scientist's response 17:09 < fenn> "we sent someone our designs and he published them online. therefore everybody thinks our designs are worthless" 17:14 < fenn> the kit in question http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkmpIXd9Q90 17:22 < kanzure> s/idea/ideas/ 17:24 < kanzure> i are grammar nazi 17:29 < fenn> yeah ideas are good 17:29 < fenn> i like pie 17:29 < fenn> packages are cool too 17:29 < fenn> make me one with everything 17:35 < quantumkat> That sounds like a request for omnipresence. 17:42 < fenn> an omnipresent pie package 17:42 < fenn> so i met this girl named "gaea" but she pronounces it "jia" 17:42 < fenn> i'm really confused 17:48 < quantumkat> Is that her real name/pronunciation or is she being creative? 17:48 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:14d8:67dc:52c6:ef50] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:51 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 17:52 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@2001:0:53aa:64c:14d8:67dc:52c6:ef50] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:52 < fenn> apparently there are two acceptable pronunciations 17:53 < kanzure> fenn: i was hoping for some ideas on how to implement a t-slot skdb package 17:53 < kanzure> (if that wasn't obvious) 17:54 < kanzure> looking through the 8020 catalog, there's a lot of 'extra' features you can request on each part 17:54 < kanzure> so it might just be an inheritance dealy 17:56 < fenn> i'll make a skeleton package, but i dont really want to scrape the website etc 17:57 < kanzure> sadly the website is unscrapable 17:57 < kanzure> all of their data is in the catalog 17:57 < kanzure> see pm 18:02 < JayDugger> Can you extract the information you need from the catalog's PDF? 18:02 < kanzure> sorta kinda :) 18:02 < kanzure> it's a difficult problem 18:04 < JayDugger> I don't doubt that at all. PDF flaws = PDF virtues. 18:04 * kanzure uploads the catalog 18:04 < kanzure> .. slowly. 18:06 < kanzure> "80/20 Product Catalog - Version 2008 (157 MB)" 18:10 < JayDugger> Yeah...you could try Adobe's own PDF to HTML converter. 18:10 < JayDugger> http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/access_onlinetools.html 18:11 < kanzure> let me upload the pdf before you start making suggestions on how to process it 18:11 < kanzure> i'm familiar with pdf2txt, pdf2html and other tools 18:11 < JayDugger> I have a copy. 18:11 < kanzure> already? 18:11 < JayDugger> I'll shut up. :) 18:11 < kanzure> did you have it before? 18:11 < JayDugger> Yes. 18:11 < kanzure> are you on a potentially fast upload at the moment? 18:11 < kanzure> because it would take me an hour to upload my copy 18:11 < JayDugger> I no longer have it. :( 18:11 < JayDugger> I got it for work, at work. 18:11 < kanzure> "I have a copy" 18:11 < kanzure> oh! you're my target market :D 18:11 < JayDugger> Point taken. 18:12 < kanzure> who is your regional distributor 18:12 < JayDugger> Not my cheap employer. You need a customer willing to spend money. 18:12 < kanzure> yes 18:12 < kanzure> who was your distributor? 18:12 < JayDugger> I don't know. My boss wouldn't tell me. 18:12 < kanzure> O_o 18:12 < kanzure> ok, well 18:12 < JayDugger> "We're not buying that. Our vendor can supply it or we'll do without." 18:12 < kanzure> see pm 18:14 < fenn> i wonder how long the lurkers would hang around if everybody who actually said anything left 18:15 < fenn> mean half life 18:15 < kanzure> sorry about that 18:16 < kanzure> it's just not quite ready yet 18:16 < kanzure> give me a week or something 18:23 < kanzure> hm 4min to download it from davinci 18:23 < kanzure> oh well 18:25 -!- Noahj [~noah@ip68-230-157-203.ri.ri.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:27 < kanzure> 156 MB product catalog http://designfiles.org/~bryan/8020/2008%20Product%20Catalog.zip 18:28 < fenn> torrent that shit :P 18:28 < fenn> ok so can i unzip them now? 18:28 < kanzure> go ahead and unzip them locally in that folder if you want 18:30 < kanzure> oh god, tarbombs 18:31 < fenn> meh 18:31 < fenn> nothing to see here, carry on citizen 18:32 < kanzure> fenn: please try again. i just downloaded the rest of the available downloads 18:33 < kanzure> the zip file saved all of 2MB on the catalog 18:33 < kanzure> yippee 18:33 < kanzure> ? 18:35 < fenn> i dont get it. 1515-ULS.zip only has one profile in it 18:35 < fenn> .dxf 18:50 < katsmeow-afk> catalog of what? 18:58 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.249] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:59 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.249] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:04 < kanzure> catalog of your mom 19:05 < kanzure> haha @ steve http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/blog/images/AGI_discussion.JPG 19:06 < katsmeow-afk> :-| 19:06 < kanzure> and possibly also anna salamon, voss, michael anissimov, and a few others i don't recognize from behind 19:06 < kanzure> david hart maybe? 19:06 < jrayhawk> you laugh to quench the burning pain of beard envy 19:07 < jrayhawk> man, he looks like he's in zz-top, there 19:07 < kanzure> see?! 19:09 < jrayhawk> or maybe he's about to say "AND MY AXE" 19:10 < kanzure> maybe steve went back in time and became trained by the orcs 19:10 < kanzure> and warlocks, and stuff 19:12 < jrayhawk> one does not simply walk into the singularity 19:12 < kanzure> you have to do it in style 19:23 < QuantumG> best not to walk in on the singularity at all, it's into weird shit and it might be embarrassing 19:24 < QuantumG> "oh god, I mean.. I saw nothing, carry on." 19:41 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:59 < kanzure> fenn: wtf? 19:59 < kanzure> "New punctuation: "~" at the end of a line to indicate 'Snarky'." 19:59 < kanzure> http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1610984&cid=31769628 19:59 < kanzure> i guess the snarkmark is catching on 20:00 < kanzure> the snarkmark needs a blog 20:07 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:19 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:19 -!- Redeemer_2 [~Redeemer_@174-20-243-43.mpls.qwest.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:23 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snark_%28punctuation%29 20:38 < kanzure> text version of the catalog: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/8020/pages.zip 20:38 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/8020/pages/ 21:09 < fenn> yeah i didn't make it up, i just think it's a good idea 21:10 < fenn> reverse question mark is just confusing.. "why is it backwards?" 21:11 < kanzure> ampk / biology grad student lifestyle http://www.thirteen.org/naturally-obsessed/ 21:11 < kanzure> (PBS documentary thing) 21:11 < fenn> somehow i read that last line as "unnaturally obsessed thirteen year old biology grad student" 21:11 < kanzure> artificially obsessed? 21:12 < fenn> argh fucking new not-popup bullshit doesn't ever fit on my screen 21:12 < fenn> so i can't click 'close' 21:12 < kanzure> sometimes they are kind enough to implement the 'escape' key 21:14 < fenn> LOL "As if the pressure of scientific discovery isn't enough, the students are also competing in a worldwide race to be the first to publish their findings." 21:15 < fenn> i can just see the discovery people sitting around a conference table "dammit. we've never done a story about science before, how do we make it exciting?" 21:15 < kanzure> also i thought ampk was already done to death 21:15 < fenn> er, pbs, nevermind 21:15 < fenn> yeah, it was 21:15 < kanzure> i hope you read the "As if the pressure" quote with a slightly british, slightly pretentious i-am-richer-and-more-cultured-than-you accent 21:16 < fenn> you're thinking NPR, not PBS 21:16 < kanzure> hm 21:16 < fenn> does BBC do radio broadcast? 21:16 < fenn> audio radio 21:16 * fenn hates that 21:17 < kanzure> i think my radio picks up bbc world news on one of the fm frequencies? 21:20 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:23 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 21:26 < Dustbin> ya BBC radio exists 21:27 < Dustbin> I think any local broadcasts of BBC content would by on KUT 21:34 < kanzure> now in giant size: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/diybio%20poster.png 21:52 < fenn> wow it's almost like a screen printed poster 21:52 < fenn> oops i forgot the snark marks: ~~~~ 21:52 < fenn> is there a SVG? 21:53 < fenn> because you know, that would be even gianter 22:15 < kanzure> isn't that cheating re: size? 22:15 < kanzure> hm maybe i can convince mac to find me an svg version of it if i laser cut him something 22:15 < kanzure> like, the poster into acrylic 22:16 < kanzure> it would be neat if the poster would double as a basic diybio microfluidic circuit 22:16 < kanzure> so just by proliferating the image you get a basic functional tool if you needed it 22:26 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-51-244.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:37 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-51-244.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:37 -!- egeste [~egeste@70.85.237.250] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:41 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-51-244.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:44 -!- Redeemer_2 [~Redeemer_@174-20-243-43.mpls.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:45 -!- egeste [~egeste@70.85.237.250] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:56 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-51-244.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:21 -!- randallagordon_ [~randallag@c-76-115-121-108.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-76-115-121-108.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap