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00:03 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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00:19 < genehacker> who wants octopus arms?
00:19 < genehacker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAiSOH7pFVM&feature=related
00:22 < genehacker> bonus points if you can figure out what the metal guide things are fore
00:47 < JayDugger> Anyone have access to this paper?
00:47 < JayDugger> http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1098612X08002453
00:47 < any02919026> i forget, what irc nick is Ben Goertzel?
00:49 < JayDugger> No idea for Dr. Goertzel.
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02:57 < Utopiah> http://biogps.gnf.org/#goto=welcome
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05:10 < JayDugger> What uses do people have for Gephi? Can I use it to make a bug dependency graph?
05:11 < Utopiah> JayDugger: if you are into GraphViz/Gephi/Dot you might want to consider Processing too
05:11 < JayDugger> I just want my boss to pull his head from the sand and manage problems in their critical path vs. FIFO.
05:12 < JayDugger> Last In, First Out, rather.
05:12 < JayDugger> I do that for him now, and am quite sick of it.
05:12 < JayDugger> Thank you for the suggestion, Utopiah.
05:14 < Utopiah> if you have a goal for your visualization you are already in a better position than 80% of people interested in the topic ;]
05:14 < JayDugger> Infoporn to make my boss's eyes glaze over?
05:15 < JayDugger> A low-brow goal, and one that condemns me as a manipulator instead of serving as a tool to edify my co-workers.
05:15 < JayDugger> The ends will justify the means, no doubt. :)
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05:48 < JayDugger> http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/git_reflex/
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06:56 < kanzure> yay for london hackerspace
06:56 < kanzure> http://wiki.hackspace.org.uk/wiki/Projects/PCB_Making
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08:07 < kanzure> casting videos from "Dave D" at gingery_machines http://metalshop.homestead.com/Videos.html
08:08 < kanzure> wtf homestead.com is still alive
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10:55 < Utopiah> (Robust Aerial Navigation in GPS-Denied Enivronments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qQJwLJ857s September 2009 CSAIL at MIT)
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13:18  * kanzure just got done doing a presentation at capitalfactory.com
13:18 < kanzure> it went pretty well
13:23 < JayDugger> Good to hear.
13:23 < JayDugger> What sort of presentation did you give?
13:24 < kanzure> a good one
13:24 < kanzure> still in various meetings. sorry.
13:24  * kanzure will be back
13:25 < JayDugger> No worries.
13:26 < kanzure> is this spam? i can't tell at first glance http://www.ll2t.cn/?p=12585
13:26 < kanzure> "can open source hardware, open source software as popular as << GNU/Linux"
13:27 < JayDugger> Bad machine translation?
13:27 < kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/diy_40w_laser_cutter.html
13:28 < kanzure> http://www.buildlog.net/cnc_laser/index.php
13:28 < JayDugger> "Dear, why don't we register at Harbor Freight, and Make?"
13:28 < kanzure> that's really well documented. that last link.
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18:38 < kanzure> i need personal hosting
18:39 < kanzure> i want twenty quintillion gigabytes and root
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18:50 < kanzure> hello hundred-ideas 
18:50 < kanzure> how has progress been
18:50 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: a friend of mine has conscripted me to hook up an SMS gateway to skdb for distributed instructions
18:50 < kanzure> our first project is a distributed cake-making project
18:50 < kanzure> where different people get different text messages based on where they are
18:50 < kanzure> i.e. "get some flour"
18:55 < hundred-ideas> hey guys
18:55 < hundred-ideas> wow that is a truly awesome idea
18:55 < hundred-ideas> I love it
18:55 < hundred-ideas> flashmob construction
18:56 < kanzure> yeah
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18:58 < Salain> hey
18:59 < kanzure> hello Salain 
19:00 < Salain> hadn't heard of hplus before - looking through it, interesting
19:00 < Salain> friend works for nasa, he is designing their space-bound fabrication setup
19:01 < kanzure> our idea is to "download hardware from the web"
19:01 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/ has some videos if you're interested
19:06 < Salain> yeah reading through, UT Austin alum - good stuff
19:08 < kanzure> i'd be interested in hearing about what your friend is doing.. or you too
19:11  * heath wonders how long it takes google to crawl your site ..it's been months since i've submitted
19:12 < Salain> I'm finishing a doctorate in neuroscience.  He's the project lead on a few projects, but the one that is the most relevant is a remotely controllable machine shop which could be sent to extra-planetary locales - on the premise that it is vastly more efficient to send raw materials to machine parts as necessary than to send dupli- or triplicates of key items
19:12 < Salain> heath - in my experience less than a week...
19:12 < heath> o.O
19:12 < Salain> do you have links to your site from pages that are already indexed?
19:12 < Salain> or just the request you submitted
19:12 < heath> Salain: yes
19:12 < heath> it's linked from hackerspaces.org
19:13 < heath> on google groups and on twitter
19:13 < heath> nice major btw
19:13 < Salain> and you're sure the link at hackerspaces is indexable?
19:13 < heath> search 'tweak labs'
19:14 < heath> oh, uh, i don't see why not..
19:14 < Salain> and thanks - it is good stuff
19:14 < Salain> (neuroscience)
19:14 < heath> right
19:14 < Dustbin> are you in austin?
19:14 < heath> nope, florence, al
19:15 < heath> http://tweaklabs.org/Heath+Matlock
19:15 < Dustbin> ah sorry meant Salain 
19:15 < heath> what was your dissertation on?
19:15 < heath> whoops Dustbin, I thought you were Salain, didn't look at username :P
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19:16 < Salain> in Houston dustbin, graduated UT austin though
19:16 < Dustbin> ok
19:17 < Salain> heath - yeah it is fine, if they add a rel="nofollow" tag to your link then google won't index it
19:17 < Dustbin> Bryan and maybe a couple other people on here are Austin Hackerspace people
19:17 < Salain> but that is not present, so dunno
19:17 < heath> good point Salain
19:17 < Salain> I miss Austin a ton
19:18 < Salain> will strongly consider it for my assistant professorship
19:19 < Salain> Houston is only ayight in relation to Dallas
19:20 < Salain> heath - tweaklabs is being spidered...
19:20 < heath> how can you check?
19:20 < Salain> google it
19:20 < Salain> different permutations
19:21 < Salain> I doubt http://tweaklabs.org/_edit/CrackMe would have been linked via anything but spidering
19:21 < heath> oh isee
19:22 < heath> heh, i didn't search for tweaklabs.org ..can i blame it on lack of sleep again?
19:22 < Salain> and you should be able to see it on your site traffic report, depends on your host
19:22 < Salain> I think some site hosts like yahoo would remove it from the list, but generally you should see it
19:23 < heath> it's not my server unfortunately.. /me checks to see if he has read access to /var/log/apache2
19:24 < heath> yup, it's been crawling.
19:24 < Salain> good - what made you think it wasn't?
19:24 < heath> time to edit the source of gitit it seems and add relevant metainfo
19:25 < heath> tweaklabs.org isn't #1, that's why :P
19:25 < hundred-ideas> Salain:  a friend, John Cumbers, has extolled the virtues of "making it, not taking it" on distant missions.  He is interested in using microbes to manufacture feedstocks for manufacturing and is researching cold and pressure resistant microbes.
19:25 < hundred-ideas> he is at Nasa Ames.
19:25 < heath> not even on the front page of hundreds of results
19:27 < Salain> hundred-ideas- hmm microbes, that's a twist.  Any details on what kind of feedstocks?
19:27 < hundred-ideas> I don't know lately
19:28 < hundred-ideas> but plastics have been discussed, and I know some microbes can make hydrazine as a metabolic intermediate (minute quantities, so far)
19:28 < Salain> would be tough, I'm not familiar with many cases where you can get microbes to generate sufficiently long polymers - but who knows.
19:28 < hundred-ideas> and gasses of course, CO2, O2, and water H2O
19:28 < Salain> yeah, microbes are great at breaking things down - they have tiny mouths so it is important :)
19:29 < kanzure> Salain: i would like to get in contact with your remote machine shop buddy. i think i have some interesting projects for him
19:29 < hundred-ideas> He is mostly researching "chassis" level qualities that might make a microbe well-suited to a space-like environment
19:29 < kanzure> like, stuff he might find useful
19:29 < kanzure> but i don't know
19:29 < Salain> kanzure - he's in new york on vacation with his wife - but I'll holler at him when he is back in town
19:30 < kanzure> :D
19:30 < kanzure> who goes to NY for vacation?
19:30 < kanzure> O_o
19:30 < kanzure> "yeah for vacation i hang out at the NYSE"
19:30 < Salain> I haven't talked to him since the obama change in focus, so I don't really know how his projects are fairing with the new budget - hate to refer and find out bad shit has been going down :)
19:30 < kanzure> hah. i'd love to do that sometime actually
19:30 < Salain> lol, I'm going to NY for a vacation this summer...
19:30 < Salain> first time going there, so doing the basics
19:32 < Salain> made it here via the DIYbio page - trying to figure out what laws I'd be breaking by running certain cell cultures at home
19:33 < Salain> garage biology info is woefully sparse
19:35 < kanzure> what type of cell culture
19:35 < kanzure> er, i mean, what species
19:36 < Salain> dog/cat, no pathogens
19:37 < Salain> (no viruses or bacteria along side them)
19:37 < Salain> I think it's firmly under BSL1
19:37 < Salain> (think)
19:38 < Salain> then cryo stuff - liquid nitrogen, probably non-toxic cryopreservatives
19:39 < kanzure> cryopreservation on the low-end, or cryogenics stuff?
19:41 < Salain> hm?  cryopreserving w/ glycerol in liquid nitrogen.  No stem cells or gametes, no "real" cryogenics stuff, only bringing cells out of culture every several years to re-derive them for better preservation
19:41 < kanzure> okay
19:41 < Salain> pretty kosher, I think...
19:41 < Salain> but can't find much info at all about regulations on this in the home
19:41 < kanzure> there are sometimes "zoning laws"
19:41 < Salain> my guess is that my condo association would have hystrionics
19:42 < Dustbin> lol
19:42 < Salain> maybe I can convince them I'm really addicted to liquid n2 ice cream
19:42 < Salain> as I'm toting up 50L dewers of LN2
19:44 < Salain> (spelled histrionics, btw)
19:45 < katsmeow-afk> which is a lil wierd
19:45 < katsmeow-afk> as a byproduct of the poorly named hysterical, to misspell it with a 'i' seems wierd to me
19:46 < Salain> doesn't it?
19:48 < Salain> the online etymology dictionary says hysterical predates histrionic, which isn't surprising since the hys are pretty greek
19:49 < Salain> right - I'd heard this before: hysterical - from the greek hysteros which means "womb".  Hysteria was originally thought to be an affectation caused by a malady in the uterus.
19:49  * katsmeow-afk nods
19:52 < hundred-ideas> you know what they say about assuming... 
19:52 < kanzure> it makes everyone else but me an ass?
19:53 < hundred-ideas> Indeed, bryan, indeed :)
19:53 < Salain> and histrio, the root of histrionics they guess comes from the etruscans - ancient italians (tuscany) that lived from 800BC-200BC.  So both roots are from the same time period, but since the greek's used only male actors it is unlikely that they made much of a connection between uteruses and acting
19:53 < Salain> I feel edified.
19:53 < katsmeow-afk> someone feel Salain to verify that?
19:54  * Salain presents
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20:15 < genehacker> shoot sound on my system is messed up
20:15 < genehacker> anyone familar with linux sound errors?
20:17 < kanzure> yes
20:17 < kanzure> what's messed up about it?
20:18 < genehacker> no sound period
20:18 < heath> genehacker: ubuntu?
20:18 < genehacker> yep
20:18 < heath>  /query ubottu sound
20:19 < heath> in your irc client
20:19 < kanzure> heath: try /say /query
20:19 < heath> /query
20:19 < heath> yup, that works
20:19 < heath> gracias
20:19 < genehacker> what does that command do?
20:19 < kanzure> /query is a way to private message someone
20:19 < genehacker> and?
20:20 < heath> the bot will give you instructions on troubleshooting sound problems
20:20  * heath is trying to figure out how to best use a 10x10x10 room
20:21 < Dustbin> CAVE?
20:21 < genehacker> use a genetic algorithm to find optimal space usage
20:21 < heath> any recommended ones? :)
20:22 < kanzure> ..
20:23 < genehacker> so what must go into space?
20:23 < genehacker> how tall is space
20:23 < kanzure> he just said 10x10x10
20:23 < kanzure> so one of those dimensions is going to be height
20:23 < kanzure> my guess is that it will be ten
20:23 < kanzure> >_<
20:24 < heath> hehe
20:24 < heath> *yawn*
20:24 < heath> i shall look into it later
20:26 < genehacker> it's a perfect cube?
20:32 < Salain> with a room that is a perfect cube, you should put 12 chairs and 6 tables
20:32 < Salain> 2 chairs and 1 table on each surface
20:32 < Salain> also, marijuana.
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20:40 < katsmeow-afk> i suspect the marijuana would make such a furniture layout more pleasant
20:40 < genehacker> heath what units is 10x10x10 in?
20:40 < genehacker> surely not barn parsecs?
20:41 < katsmeow-afk> it should also have a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj3_v7xCyJ0&feature=player_embedded centered in the space, so you couls sit on any surface and enjoy it
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20:53 < genehacker> fixed my sound card, just had to install new proprietary drivers that let the NSA listen in on my conversations
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