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00:52 < fenn> here's a business opportunity, laser etched dildos: http://www.jimmyjane.com/shop/littlechromainked-p-65.html?zenid=fd9c096b39c01bbddba4ae00b3c4d9a4
00:56 < Utopiah> print-your-dildo.com community-based plastic pleasuring
00:56  * Utopiah should get into the habit of posting the [warning, 0 coffe cup taken] automatically
00:56 < fenn> most of their stuff is silicone and ABS so it's definitely possible
00:57 < Utopiah> if you want to compete in that area you can also use the webcam again to get "models" 
01:01 < Utopiah> http://wiki.opendildonics.org/
01:08 < fenn> yeah qdot is fun to talk to
01:08 < fenn> he hangs out at noisebridge
01:08 < fenn> and ##electronics
01:08 < Utopiah> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xda1e8
01:10 < Utopiah> for more http://gcoe.mims.meiji.ac.jp/jpn/movie/impossible_motions2/ )
01:16 < fenn> heh. Utopiah: http://www.tinynibbles.com/blogarchives/2010/05/i-want-one.html
01:18 < Utopiah> I saw her talk at Le Net last year, everybody including me was amazed at how she could make such a nice topic (blushing) being so boring :-# On a side note I made a sexuality page on my wiki in order to collect new pratices http://fabien.benetou.fr/Content/Sexuality rather empty yet but she's in it
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01:24 < Utopiah> Im not sure that's the way to use 3D printers to revolutionize the world and manking but... ;)
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01:50 < Utopiah> Devices That Tell On You: The Nike+iPod Sport Kit http://www.cs.washington.edu/research/systems/privacy.html (goes well with http://www.eff.org/wp/locational-privacy )
01:55 < Utopiah> http://knowfree.net/2010/05/the-scientific-american-brave-new-brain/
01:59 < Utopiah> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/events/cyberscholars
02:00 < genehacker> uh I think there isn't sufficient resolution for products like that
02:02 < genehacker> then again products like that are as sure to be printed as working firearms
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06:07 < faceface> http://www.archive.org/download/h-plus/01_H.mp3 ?
06:07 < faceface> http://www.opsound.org/artist/zhangli/
06:57 < JayDugger> faceface: http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=creator%3A%22Zhang%20Li%22?
07:00 < JayDugger> That the same fellow?
07:17 < JayDugger> Succinctly, http://www.archive.org/details/h-plus
07:39 < faceface> prolly
07:40 < faceface> anyone use Graph::Easy?
07:40 < faceface> need to put a node at a specific point (in GDL)
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08:40 < kanzure> http://www.nationalhardwareshow.com
08:40 < kanzure> yeah i used graph::easy in the past
08:52 < kanzure> print-your-dildo.com could also have some sort of rating system
09:00 < JayDugger> Ah...one of those counts as a non sequitur. (I hope.)
09:19 < kanzure> hm?
09:22 < JayDugger> Good answer.
09:33 < JayDugger> Alright, from a mechanical engineering viewpoint, what pertinent questions apply to this DIY page-turning machine?
09:34 < kanzure> how are you grabbing pages
09:35 < JayDugger> The video makes it look like friction, but I haven't read the forum thread discussing it.
09:36 < JayDugger> It also seems to depend on the turned page springing into place.
09:38 < JayDugger> Heh, heh. Thank you, I look forward to a five-fold increase in commute time and a 10% increase in rent.
09:38 < JayDugger> Damn. Wrong window. My apologies.
09:39 < JayDugger> (At least it wasn't twitter.)
09:42 < JayDugger> Any obvious failure points to the trained eye?
09:43 < JayDugger> I suspect a second wand on the left-hand side at the book's top would reduce mis-turned pages.
09:53 < fenn> JayDugger: how to make pages flat.. the ones i've seen hav this complicated dual suspension to hold both sides at different heights
10:03 < kanzure> i have some .sldprt files for a page reader somewhere on designfiles.org called "ezreader"
10:03 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/ezreaderfiles.zip (6.8 MB)
10:03 < kanzure> uh, "page reader" should be uh
10:04 < kanzure> brainfart
10:04 < kanzure> wtf do you call what we're talking about
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11:27 < kanzure> http://sciencestage.com/resources/biological-passports-answer-doping-pro-sports
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12:13 < JayDugger> I don't think that video's design would work well for paperbacks, nor for large art books, or even trade paperbacks.
12:13 < JayDugger> Which pretty much rules out most of my remaining library.
12:14 < JayDugger> *.sldprt: SolidWorks?
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12:14 < kanzure> JayDugger: yes
12:18 < JayDugger> What open source programs will read SolidWorks?
12:18 < kanzure> none
12:18 < kanzure> if we can get amazon ec2 to run an instance of windows, i might write a server that loads up solidworks and converts files for users
12:19 < JayDugger> Terse, prompt, unequivocal--everything I like in an answer, save what I hoped to hear. 
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12:19 < kanzure> yeah :/
12:19 < kanzure> oh you want an answer you *like*
12:19 < kanzure> welll that'll cost extra, sir
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12:20 < JayDugger> You'd best stay in open source land, kanzure. You'll never get ahead in business with that attitude. :)
12:20 < kanzure> heh
12:22 < JayDugger> Not only "good, fast, and cheap; pick two," but "true, simple, and pleasant; pick two."
12:25 < kanzure> i think it'd be a good tiny project for me to deploy a solidworks server in the near future
12:25 < JayDugger> I'll have to read the diybookscanner fora on that page turner. It looks crude, at best, and I don't want to put a valuable book at its mercy until I test it.
12:29 < JayDugger> Good Lord...what does Microsoft care about running on EC2?
12:30 < JayDugger> Amazon's FAQ has some evasive wording. 
12:30 < JayDugger> http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/faqs/#Can_I_use_my_existing_Windows_Server_license_with_EC2
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12:55 < kanzure> http://diycitizenship.com/
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13:06 < JayDugger> Steve Mann's a speaker, so that might have some interest.
13:29 < JayDugger> http://www.diybookscanner.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&p=3617 More on the page turner.
13:48 < kanzure> oof i'm done with people for the day http://adl.serveftp.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt
13:48 < kanzure> too many. time to go away
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14:40 < lepton> Howdy - This is John from Boulder Engineering Studio. I introduced myself to Bryan earlier today, thought I'd pop in to say hello
14:40 < lepton> I'm likely to disappear; trying to test out a new post processor for a CNC machine today
14:49 < kanzure> hello lepton :) this is bryan
14:49 < kanzure> feel free to idle; i'm still on a busy streak at the moment
14:49 < kanzure> irc's value is proportional to idle time, or something like that
14:50 < lepton> Hi there
14:50 < lepton> I was actually just typing an email reply
14:50 < lepton> I poked through some of the old logs from hplusroadmap, you're group has some very interesting discussions
14:51 < kanzure> if you want to download all of the logs at once, there's 20MB or so here: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt
14:51 < kanzure> or by individual days: http://gnusha.org/logs/
14:52 < lepton> I'll save that for when I get back home to a wired connection. Unfortunately our shop space has abysmal internet optionsa
14:52 < kanzure> my shop just got clear wireless. it works.. half the time :)
14:52 < lepton> so I'm tethered off a G1 3G connection most of the time
14:53 < lepton> I did manage to download a 600 MB or so file today, so I suppose I shouldn't complain too much
14:54 < lepton> Anyway, I'm pleased to have found this group, I've been interested in most of these topics (open source hardware, accelerating charge / singularity, transhumanism) for quite some time
14:54 < kanzure> good :) you're in the right place
14:54 < lepton> I stumbled in via PythonOCC and communications with Jelle for my bike/trike frame optmization work
14:55 < lepton> To put myself in a bit more context, I'm in Boulder, Colorado, and I'm one half of an engineering design firm startup
14:56 < kanzure> are you a PE? i mean, most engineering firms/shops seem to be
14:56 < kanzure> but it doesn't actually matter if you're not
14:56 < lepton> No, I'm an "EIT," in that I've taken and passed the FE
14:57 < kanzure> cool
14:57 < lepton> but I haven't worked under a PE, so I'm not yet eligable for a full PE
14:57 < kanzure> i need to do a braindump on you in good time
14:58 < kanzure> there's been some open source hardware kit stuff that we've been meaning to manufacture down here in austin
14:58 < lepton> I graduated from the University of Colorado about three years back, and was working at a different startup company doing embedded electronics and mechanical design until we (my partner Dan and I) left that to start up our own gig
14:58 < lepton> ^That's certainly something we'd be interested in
14:58 < kanzure> i have a wee bit of funding that could be useful.. do you have anything in the way of funding?
14:59 < lepton> Yes and no, we've blown through a lot in hardware recently
14:59 < lepton> and software... sigh
15:00 < lepton> I think if I had unlimitied time I wouldn't have to use Solidworks and Solidcam in Windows and could just develop alternatives, but that's not really in the cards for now
15:01 < lepton> A lot of things are cheap to do for us, though, since we internally own our CNC, can manufacture boards at pretty low costs, can do poured and vacuum formed plastics
15:02 < kanzure> i have sent you some rather long emails that might help you contextualize me
15:02 < lepton> We've got a lot of interest in the scuba hardware right now, so on the good side we should be building up a lot of capital soon, but on the down side my available time to work on side endeavours (such as multi objective optimization) will further diminish
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15:03 < lepton> ^great
15:03 < kanzure> brb
15:03 < lepton> likewise
15:07 < lepton> back
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15:09 < lepton> Anyway, as far as my (our) technical abilities go, we're fairly capable in terms of embedded electronics design and testing (we've worked on water treatment sensors, battery management systems, motor controllers, a bunch of random arduino / burning man type projects), and I like making boards
15:09 < lepton> On the mechanical side I've been getting better at CNC machining over this past year, and we've done injection molds and optical lens design in the past
15:10 < lepton> I'm trying to move more of the mechanical design that we're doing over to multiobjective optimization processes. The immediate project for that is a leaning recumbent trike frame and suspension
15:13 < lepton> I'm working on both the linkage side (optimize length of members, angles, etc), and shape optimization (once you know the connection points of each member in the linkage, optimize the shape based on size, weight and manufacturing processes)
15:15 < lepton> So far I've spent far too much time messing around with broken dependancies, missing libraries (salomegeometry, for example)
15:15 < lepton> I was trying to handle the parametric in freecad before, until I realized that was an exercise in futility and I discovered pythonOCC
15:16 < lepton> I've got several technologies I want to unleash on the open source world, especially in terms of motor / generator design, and that's where I'm especially excited for machine optimization
15:19 < lepton> But, for now, the trike project is what I'm focusing on. Happily we can CNC out the frames very quickly once we have designs, so the prospect of being able to go from a set of optimal designs to actual physical hardware in a matter of hours/days is very exciting
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16:47 < thesnark> hello
16:48 < thesnark> kanzure can you give me a quick update on your current activities?
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17:52 < lepton> Back from the shop, on a real internet connection. CAM post worked surprisingly well on the CNC. Hurray
17:55 < kanzure> :) btw here's the link again: http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt
17:55 < lepton> Ah, yes. Thanks
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17:59 < kanzure> hm i was on the phone with someone today who was a co-founder in a venture that ended up netting $750M
17:59 < kanzure> http://www.capitalfactory.com/mentors.html see Marc Yagjian
17:59 < kanzure> ooh and multics?
18:00 < lepton> There are a few outfits like that around here, too
18:00 < kanzure> lepton: i was recently accepted into that program for an iphone app project
18:00 < kanzure> it's one of the reasons i've been running around all day doing meaningless things
18:00 < lepton> We're friends with Sparkfun, who are starting to do very well
18:00 < lepton> Oh wow, congragulations
18:01 < kanzure> i've been meaning to write this interface between skdb and sparkfun
18:01 < kanzure> so that i can do automatic BOM ordering
18:01 < kanzure> i hate going through multiple websites just to get my damn parts
18:01 < lepton> Indeed
18:01 < lepton> We're pretty digikey centric, though often not for good reason
18:01 < kanzure> octopart.com kinda helps, and there's the beginnings of an api that can help
18:01 < lepton> There are some decent greasemonkey scripts out there for it
18:01 < kanzure> meh
18:01 < kanzure> i'm also on this weird project to become 80/20 distributors
18:01 < lepton> and we can do automatic BOM generation from Eagle that outputs files that digikey accepts
18:01 < kanzure> we're making a website for selling 80/20 through a usable webstore
18:01 < lepton> hmm
18:01 < kanzure> i imagine you've come across it, since you do engineering stuff
18:02 < lepton> We buy a lot through the 80/20 garage sale on ebay
18:02 < kanzure> i mean, the beam system, not the website (structory which isn't out yet)
18:02 < lepton> Oh yeah, we've done lots with 80/20 and Faztek
18:02 < lepton> Aluminum extrusions are great
18:03 < kanzure> which distributor do you use most frequently for 80/20?
18:03 < lepton> 80/20 garage sale on ebay
18:03 < kanzure> ok
18:03 < lepton> That's always the first place we look
18:03 < lepton> And we use Faztek as a fall back
18:03 < lepton> There are a few local distributors but their prices aren't as good
18:06 < lepton> So what's the iphone app for?
18:06 < kanzure> it's called hurricane party, it's an app for spontaneous flashmob-based parties
18:06 < kanzure> it invites friends of friends and does the whole viral thing
18:07 < kanzure> it shows up on a map as a hurricane, and as people start showing up it grows up to a category 5 hurricane
18:07 < lepton> Ha
18:07 < lepton> Nice
18:07 < kanzure> another one is "project projector", a related sms-based app
18:07 < kanzure> for sending out text messages for instructions on building things
18:07 < kanzure> to multiple people, with dependencies between the tasks
18:07 < lepton> Does it integrate exisiting social networking API's, and such?
18:07 < kanzure> so i.e. someone has to text back "ok, done" or whatever
18:07 < kanzure> yeah, like facebook, twitter, gowalla, foursquare, yelp, plancast, and a few others
18:07 < lepton> Yeap
18:08 < lepton> So for project projector, what sort of usage are you invisioning?
18:08 < kanzure> but it's not my real passion of course
18:08 < kanzure> it's kind of just this thing i've been pulled into, and enjoying a bit :)
18:08 < kanzure> maybe doing distributed hardware construction. i'm not sure
18:09 < kanzure> have you watched the youtube videos re: SKDB yet??
18:09 < kanzure> er, just one '?' character :)
18:09 < lepton> Nope, I'll check it out though
18:10 < lepton> I bet I know some burning man people who would like Project Projector
18:10 < kanzure> bbl.. more running around
18:11 < lepton> Good luck
18:11 < lepton> :p
18:12 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/ has the videos
18:12 < kanzure> ok, now brb for realz
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19:38 < heath> kanzure: will you install uzbl-browser on davinci, firefox over ssh is slow
19:51 < kanzure> yes but i don't want to go looking for it right now
19:53 < kanzure> if you could get me the link to the .git for it, that would be nice
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20:27 < jrayhawk> uzbl is packaged for most distributions nowadays...?
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20:39 < heath> jrayhawk: yes
20:39 < heath> kanzure: i'll look
20:39  * heath wants http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/bk-1993-0535.fw001
20:40 < heath> don't have access to books unfortunately
20:40 < heath> kanzure: thanks for the continued access to the papers though!
20:40 < heath> http://www.uzbl.org/get.php
20:40 < heath> git clone git://github.com/Dieterbe/uzbl.git
20:40 < heath> you also need the gtk stuff
20:41 < heath> then it again it seems like an optional dependency?..
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23:27 < kanzure> echo -e 'GET / HTTP/1.1\nHost: slashdot.org\n\n' | nc slashdot.org 80 | grep -E 'X\-(Fry|Leena|Bender)'
23:30 < fenn> cool
23:31 < fenn> heath: i installed uzbl a while ago, dunno if you noticed
23:31 < fenn> today
23:34 < fenn> blegh. x forwarding over the internet sucks
23:35 < fenn> or uzbl is just crashing, can't tell which
23:35 < fenn> good night freenode!
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