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05:55 < JayDugger> Ha!
05:55 < JayDugger> Retweeted by not one, but two authors I like!
05:57 < JayDugger> The "pleasant, simple, true; pick two" from here over the weekend.
05:58 < JayDugger> I did get one-upped with "smart, honest, effective." That's okay.
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09:36 < kanzure> http://blueobelisk.shapado.com/questions/is-there-a-chemical-ontology-which-i-can-use-to-annotate-my-chemical-reactions
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09:44 < kanzure> open source nanotech http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1330731
09:45 < kanzure> biocurious has a wiki http://www.biocurious.org/index.php?title=BiocuriousWiki:Current_events
09:45 < kanzure> http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/05/billions-of-self-assembled-light.html
09:45 < kanzure> http://www.cs.duke.edu/~alvy/papers/nsc-ret_final.pdf
09:46 < kanzure> http://crnano.typepad.com/crnblog/2010/05/selfreplicating-nanorobots-now-possible.html
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11:31 < kanzure> blender: "
11:31 < kanzure> blender: "
11:31 < kanzure> IIRC, it's source code was purchased from the license holders and made open-source thanks to this same sort of thing.
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11:49 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/google-mobwrite/ patch theory code
11:53 < kanzure> lepton_: what's the fastest turn around time that you've seen in a machine shop or engineering firm for idea-to-prototype?
11:53 < kanzure> preferably for internal ideas, but funded ideas too.. but i think they might be in separate categories
11:54 < lepton_> How broadly are you defining idea-to-prototype
11:55 < lepton_> Because I've "oh no we need a bracket" to the bracket existing in less than 24 hours
11:55 < kanzure> hm
11:55 < lepton_> But that's a pretty narrow scope (simple parts)
11:55 < kanzure> fundamentally i want to complain about my experienced differences in prototyping time
11:55 < kanzure> between software and hardware
11:55 < kanzure> for software, i can easily whip up lots of bullshit in under an hour
11:55 < kanzure> for machining, i find it much harder.. sourcing materials and such.
11:56 < lepton_> it helps a lot to have inertia to go off of
11:56 < kanzure> :)
11:56 < lepton_> As in, a stock of material already on site
11:56 < kanzure> have you heard of "mental inertia"
11:56 < kanzure> right
11:56 < lepton_> sure
11:56 < kanzure> but it costs money to accumulate stock material
11:56 < kanzure> http://improvingoneself.blogspot.com/2007/12/mental-inertia.html
11:56 < kanzure> http://www.autistics.org/library/inertia.html
11:56 < lepton_> aluminum recyclers are a great low cost material source
11:57 < kanzure> another issue is that i started off assuming i'd be near broke forever, so i was always trying to think in terms of avoiding money :)
11:57 < lepton_> and the more projects tend to just in more material scape accumlating
11:57 < kanzure> so.. calculations for how many coke cans i'd have to melt down for a 2x8x1 inch aluminum cast
11:57 < lepton_> ^oh my, my bad grammer
11:57 < kanzure> but now that i have some money, that has changed a bit
11:58 < kanzure> but it's still perplexing to me
11:58 < kanzure> i also notice that others at the hackerspace take a pretty long time for turn around too
11:58 < kanzure> we've had a half-finished mechmate for 1.5 years now
11:58 < kanzure> the project is measured in years! that's unacceptable, imho
11:58 < lepton_> Yeah, it can be tricky to get up and running
11:59 < lepton_> Took us about a month at full time to got our shop functional
11:59 < kanzure> what does functional mean
11:59 < lepton_> We can make parts
11:59 < lepton_> :)
12:00 < kanzure> so the reason i asked about lowest turn around time is because i'd like to go meet the "fastest machinist"
12:00 < kanzure> if that makes sense
12:00 < kanzure> machining operations take the same amount of time no matter where you go
12:00 < kanzure> but it's all the other stuff that matters too
12:01 < lepton_> not always, different machines do have different feed / speed / load capabilities
12:01 < kanzure> like material sourcing, organization, getting stuff done
12:01 < kanzure> heh
12:01 < lepton_> A part it takes me 10 mineuts to do some machines could do in 1
12:01 < lepton_> or 0.5
12:01 < kanzure> yes but usually the order of magnitude is not significant
12:01 < lepton_> True
12:01 < kanzure> anyway, 1.5 years for a mechmate project wouldn't be changed much by a 1min or 10min machining time for parts
12:01 < lepton_> And often setup is the biggest time component anyway
12:01 < lepton_> or finshing work
12:01 < lepton_> ^Very true
12:03 < lepton_> In my experience one of the more time consuming aspects of having a a well setup CNC system is getting setup with different kinds of tooling
12:04 < lepton_> straight end mills, ball-nose end mills, chamfer mills, fillet cutters, surfacers, keyseat cutters, etc etc
12:04 < kanzure> maybe i have a warped perspective since the hackerspace isn't a fully equipped machine shop yet
12:04 < lepton_> all with different kinds of materials, geometries, and what not
12:04 < kanzure> perhaps things get smoother once you actually have functioning tools?
12:04 < lepton_> It takes time to get things programmed in well
12:04 < lepton_> sure!
12:04 < kanzure> i can't quite run down at midnight at the moment and cut up some chunks of metal into funny shapes for the hell of it
12:04 < lepton_> I think it gets progressivly easier
12:05 < lepton_> Oh yeah, fixturing
12:05 < kanzure> i should send you an inventory list
12:05 < kanzure> the inventory hasn't changed much in a year's time (guh)
12:05 < lepton_> that's another huge element of CNC work and time consumption
12:05 < kanzure> fenn: how long did your gingery lathe take?
12:05 < kanzure> fenn's been working on hextatic, a stewart platform cnc machine, for at least half a decade now :(
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12:07 < kanzure> lepton_: did you get my last two messages re: fenn?
12:07 < lepton42> I don't think so
12:07 < kanzure> fenn: how long did your gingery lathe take?
12:07 < kanzure> fenn's been working on hextatic, a stewart platform cnc machine, for at least half a decade now :(
12:07 < lepton42> 3G is not so great today
12:07 < lepton42> Ah yes, I did get that
12:08 < lepton42> I've been attracted to that mechanical design for a while
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12:10 < lepton_> Damn these telecomm networks
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12:15 < lepton_> kanzure: Yesterday you said I should bug you about getting instructions for compiling GEOM for PythonOCC in a fresh Ubuntu 10.04 install...
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12:39 < lepton_> CNC Post Processor testing time!
13:07 < fenn> omg kanzure when you say it like that i feel old :(
13:07 < fenn> gingery took about a year elapsed, 3 months continuous
13:08 < fenn> with breaks for meals and being lazy etc of course
13:08 < fenn> i was in college at the time
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13:30 < kanzure> fenn: do you want to take a stab at pythonocc 0.4 + GEOM + SMESH?
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13:33 < kanzure> it's okay if you say no, of course
13:33 < kanzure> just if you have time now, it will be quicker than lepton_ waiting until later today when i get it hacked out
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13:53 < lepton_> I'm not in a rush today
13:53 < lepton_> I'm gonna be working on our post processor for the rest of the foreseeable day/evening
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14:12 < fenn> no thanks
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15:55 < fenn> man, wikipedia is way better than these stanford class notes
15:56 < fenn> why did it take me so long to figure this out?
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16:20 < fenn> wonder if this was coded up from scratch: 
16:37 < kanzure> ..
16:38 < kanzure> fenn: ?
16:39 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Airy-3d.svg
16:40 < fenn> sorry, connection is bunk
16:40 < fenn> says "made in chipmunk basic"
16:40 < kanzure> heh
16:40 < kanzure> gnuplot has an svg export i think, btw
16:44 < fenn> does anything do curves instead of line segments?
16:44 < fenn> ok this is annoying
16:45 < Dustbin> curves instead of line segments in what
16:48 < fenn> in the plot
16:48 < Dustbin> in exporting a plot?
16:49 < Dustbin> don't know anything about that
16:49 < fenn> like IGES instead of a quad mesh
16:49 < fenn> it doesnt matter, nevermind
16:54 < kanzure> alright, i have 3 extra tickets to h+ summit 2010
16:54 < kanzure> plus a discount code for 20% off
16:54 < drazak> where is it?
16:54 < kanzure> boston
16:55 < drazak> when is it?
16:55 < kanzure> june 12/13
16:55 < fenn> um.. how is it?
16:55 < fenn> why is it?
16:55 < drazak> mhm
16:56 < kanzure> http://hplussummit.com/speakers.html
16:56 < drazak> I might be in boston around then
16:56 < kanzure> i should have opted for a million trillion tickets
16:56 < drazak> depends on my class schedule
16:56 < kanzure> hahah ticket scalping for h+
16:56 < kanzure> YES
16:56 < fenn> you FOOL
16:56 < kanzure> hm?
16:56 < drazak> you're speaking?
16:56 < kanzure> yes
16:56 < drazak> bitchin
16:57 < drazak> if I don't have classes then I might go
16:57 < kanzure> also demoing a facebook app via andrew hessel's presentation
16:57 < drazak> and if my aunt/uncle have a couch
16:57 < kanzure> i think my talk is right before ray's
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16:57 < kanzure> oh boy
16:57 < kanzure> i want joseph jackson to go on after ray though
16:57 < kanzure> it's a nice compare/contrast
16:58 < drazak> you've got a grammar mistake on your bio
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16:59 < fenn> jeebus that's a lot of speakers
16:59 < kanzure> drazak: the last sentence?
16:59 < drazak> yeah
16:59 < drazak> fenn: that's what I fuckin' said
16:59 < kanzure> "you can find him or call him"
16:59 < drazak> no
16:59 < drazak> the other last sentence
16:59 < kanzure> ..
16:59  * kanzure slaps drazak with a trout
17:00 < drazak> "lately he spends his waking hours at the recently new hackerspace..."
17:00 < drazak> that's the last sentence of the body
17:00 < kanzure> hm
17:00 < kanzure> so, what's wrong with it?
17:00 < drazak> "recently new"
17:01 < kanzure> are you sure? what rule does that fuck
17:01 < drazak> it's awkward, and new doesn't match because recently is an adverb
17:01 < kanzure> it's definitely awkward
17:01 < drazak> recently is an adverb, no noun
17:01 < drazak> lately is on spends, recently is on ??
17:01 < fenn> new is only a verb in c++
17:01 < drazak> oh man, you guys are at harvard?
17:01 < kanzure> yeah
17:02 < kanzure> harvard, bitch!
17:02 < fenn> i thought drazak was at harvard
17:02 < kanzure> brown?
17:02 < drazak> I've totally been where you're going to be
17:02 < drazak> me?
17:02 < drazak> fucking community college for 2 semesters
17:02 < drazak> my grades suck
17:02 < drazak> but that's ok
17:02 < fenn> didnt you do some summer internship or something?
17:02 < drazak> yeah
17:02 < kanzure> nepotism at its finest
17:03 < drazak> fuck yeah
17:03 < kanzure> hm the speakers.html page seems to be randomly displaying the speakers
17:03 < fenn> this is a beautifully rendered portable toilet or something like that.. anyway http://www.cadsoftsolutions.co.uk/store/software/shark/shark/files/page124_6.jpg
17:03 < kanzure> except for the first few rows
17:04 < fenn> gah
17:04 < kanzure> hey since when is mark hatch the ceo of techshop?
17:04 < kanzure> when did that happen
17:04 < kanzure> and why didn't i know about it
17:04 < drazak> I think it is
17:04 < fenn> why do you care?
17:04 < kanzure> because jim newton hit me up for money for his precious techshop
17:04 < kanzure> but where did that money go if.. uh
17:04 < fenn> jim newton hit you up for money?
17:05 < kanzure> yes
17:05 < fenn> i hope you didnt give it to him
17:06 < kanzure> i did not.
17:08 < kanzure> so what's wrong with scalping, again?
17:09 < fenn> it may be illegal
17:09 < kanzure> besides that
17:09 < fenn> nothing
17:09 < kanzure> "bryan's latest get rich quick scheme" haha
17:11 < fenn> does anybody actually understand the laplace transform?
17:11 < fenn> and not in a trivial "it's like the fourier transform" sense
17:11 < fenn> i'm trying to figure out what this means: "any LTI system can be characterized in the frequency domain by the system's transfer function, which is the Laplace transform of the system's impulse response"
17:12 < kanzure> yay babble
17:12 < fenn> LTI=linear time invariant
17:13 < fenn> god i hate math
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17:17 < fenn> especially shit like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_delta_function
17:18 < fenn> a 'function' ?(x) that has the value zero everywhere except at x = 0 where its value is infinitely large in such a way that its total integral is 1
17:18 < fenn> not just any infinity, a particular value of infinity
17:18 < fenn> why? "because the math works out better that way"
17:19 < klafka> it's a pretty weird function as functions go
17:19 < fenn> how come i'm not allowed to just make shit up like that
17:19 < klafka> you are if you can prove something awesome with it
17:20 < klafka> like the ending to a futurama episode
17:20 < fenn> "find the integral of f(x)" "1" "why" "because I said so"
17:21 < klafka> it's weird that it's the limit of of the sequence of gaussians
17:21 < klafka> but kinda makes sense
17:42 < kanzure> why isn't this working?
17:42 < kanzure> datetime.datetime.strptime("2010-05-07 21:32:46 -0500", "%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %z")
17:42 < kanzure> ValueError: 'z' is a bad directive in format '%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S %z'
17:43 < kanzure> http://docs.python.org/library/datetime.html#strftime-strptime-behavior
17:43 < kanzure> according to the documentation, %z is valid
17:46 < fenn> well this is rather nifty: 
17:46 < fenn> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automatic_differentiation
17:46 < kanzure> http://bugs.python.org/issue6641 hm.. 
17:46 < kanzure> god damn it
17:47 < kanzure> it's 2010, we should support #$!S@ZXcfefeq timezones
17:50 < fenn> hm i could use this machine learning stuff for discovering the parameters of a stewart platform
17:50 < klafka> oh yeah fenn i just learned about that in my statistical machine learning class a few weeks ago
17:50 < klafka> auto diff is very much like backprop
17:50 < kanzure> symbolic regression is hot
17:51 < klafka> yeah
17:51 < klafka> there is some haskell package setup for autodiff i saw recently
17:51 < kanzure> also, hod lipson did a symbolic regression paper
17:51 < kanzure> http://ccsl.mae.cornell.edu/eureqa_download
17:51 < fenn> klafka you're taking a class?
17:51 < fenn> what have you covered so far?
17:52 < klafka> http://people.rit.edu/~jcdicsa/courses/SML/
17:52 < kanzure> http://ccsl.mae.cornell.edu/sites/default/files/Schmidt-Final-2009-06-05.pdf
17:52 < klafka> class just ended this week
17:52 < kanzure> heh, SVMs can be fun :)
17:52 < fenn> rawr /me spears the lag monster dead
17:52 < fenn> yeah i was thinking earlier tha haskell would be a good fit for this stuff
17:53 < klafka> kanzure, SVMs were a pain
17:53 < klafka> actually boosted decision stumps were very fun
17:53 < klafka> i like that shit a lot
17:54 < fenn> everyone says "SVMs are vun" but what's fun about it?
17:54 < kanzure> that's fenn's russian showing through
17:54 < fenn> it's just a fitting problem like every other regressionan
17:54 < fenn> argh
17:54 < kanzure> i mean more what they are used for, more than anything else
17:55 < fenn> i havent learned any russian cuss words yet
17:55 < kanzure> http://www.sourcemap.org/ from kristianpaul re: copyleft hardware
17:57 < fenn> bah it's all just "x kg CO2"
17:57 < fenn> like i fucking care
17:59 < fenn> the new dollar
17:59 < fenn> a totally useless number yet valued for its shared understandability
18:00  * kanzure clicks
18:00 < kanzure> omg this looks terrible
18:00 < kanzure> but people are going to eat this up
18:01 < fenn> i'm surprised at how new all of these machine learning algorithms are.. seems like all this should have been figured out in the 1930's 
18:01 < klafka> SVMs are basically a form of template methods
18:01 < klafka> fenn, not really
18:02 < klafka> a lot of ML methods are inherently not probabilistic
18:02 < klafka> also the 30's was when modern probability hteory was founded basically
18:02 < klafka> 20's/30's
18:02 < klafka> SVMs seem to be useful because they work with very little tweaking, to some extent, but they have a ton of drawbacks IMO
18:04 < klafka> well that and they _can_ have massive computational benefits when doing complex and expensive basis expansions 
18:04 < fenn> i'm still learning about it.. basically they are n-dimensional linear discriminators right?
18:05 < fenn> we havent even talked about computational cost, which seems like a fucktard move t
18:06 < klafka> um i'm not sure about linear... ugh the term linear has taken on more confusing connotations since i've learned more about ML
18:06 < fenn> "hey cs people, it's not math!"
18:06 < klafka> what an SVM is is minimizing the hinge loss
18:06 < klafka> or what it does rather
18:06 < klafka> is a technique for minimizing hinge loss
18:07 < klafka> my advisor told me hinge loss with ridge regularization, but i've had someone dispute that w/ me so i'm not sure
18:07 < klafka> the reason it's nice for minimizing hinge loss, is hinge loss is non-differentiable 
18:07 < klafka> so things like GD don't really work
18:07 < fenn> yeah i agree, i used to think linear meant "line" :(
18:07 < klafka> heh yeah
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18:13 < lepton_> fenn: You still having Lapace space trouble?
18:13 < lepton_> Laplace*
18:13 < fenn> i guess. it's one of those things i look at every ytear and can't vfigure out
18:14 < fenn> also i'm terribly lagged.
18:14 < lepton_> I didn't like it until my last year of school
18:14 < lepton_> and then I realized how much easier it made things, and all the sudden it seemed easy
18:14 < lepton_> What are you working on?
18:15 < fenn> machine learning homework via wikipedia ramble
18:15 < klafka> lol
18:15 < klafka> my final in it is on weds
18:15 < klafka> ugh it's intense
18:15 < fenn> i realized the explanations in the course notes were even worse than wikipedia so i'd do myself a favor
18:16 < klafka> wow
18:16 < klafka> that sucks
18:16 < klafka> the notes in the above link are pretty good
18:16 < klafka> i think
18:16 < klafka> also andrew ng's notes are also good
18:18 < fenn> ~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~[6~yes i'm reading the backprop notes and it actually makes sense the first time around (for once)
18:18 < klafka> haha my advisor will be happy ot hear that
18:18 < lepton_> :)
18:21 < fenn> klafka: andrew ng's notes are what i'm trying to avoid in the first place
18:22 < klafka> lol are you taking his class?
18:23 < klafka> or does your teacher just use them
18:23 < fenn> ng tends to give less than the minimum amount of information required to solve the problem
18:23 < klafka> aah
18:23 < klafka> idk i found some of his notes useful
18:23 < fenn> i'm constantly wondering "wtf is L" or similar
18:23 < klafka> LOL
18:24 < fenn> i'm taking the hacker dojo remix of cs229
18:24 < fenn> which is basically "do the homework ahead of time and we'll wank off for an hour"
18:24 < klafka> lol
18:24 < kanzure> how is that different from the actual class
18:24 < fenn> but i never seem to get around to actually doing the homework :\
18:25 < fenn> kanzure: the difference is i dont have to do the homework :)
18:25 < fenn> it's fucking stupid problems anyway
18:25 < fenn> "manually calculate the desecond derivative of this arbitrary thing we arent going to tell you why it's importantn"
18:25 < kanzure> wait
18:26 < kanzure> so a few things you have said tonight have thrown me off
18:26 < kanzure> second derivatives and simple integrals of continuous, smooth functions and such
18:26 < kanzure> and then you complain about fourier transforms and laplace transforms in a complex number plane or something
18:26 < kanzure> so which is it? a simple calculus class or what
18:26 < fenn> yes, doesn't sound much like a discrete computer problem does it
18:27 < kanzure> there are discrete methods of approximating integrals with polynomials i guess
18:27 < fenn> most of it has been about calculus and matrix algebra so far, which doesn't make sense to me
18:27 < fenn> wtf am i supposed to do with this knowledge?
18:27 < fenn> i've been out of school too long to just suck it up and hope they 
18:28 < fenn> bestow enlightenment on us at theend of the class
18:28 < klafka> you mean the hessian
18:28 < klafka>  hessians are actually really important for newton's methods and approximate newtons methods like BFGS 
18:29 < klafka> also for proving convexity
18:29 < fenn> kanzure: above "automatic differentiation" link would have been useful to know about, can bypass all we've learned in class so far pretty much
18:29 < kanzure> if i had ops, i'd kickban acroynm users
18:29 < klafka> which is important for a large number of algorithms
18:29 < kanzure> fenn: i didn't click it, but is it symbolic differentiation stuff?
18:29 < klafka> kanzure, it's basically forward prop/back prop
18:29 < kanzure> okay.
18:29 < fenn> klafka yeah, see http://www.stanford.edu/class/cs229/ps1.pdf
18:30 < fenn> no
18:30 < fenn> gah
18:31 < fenn> they dont explain what i'm supposed to do with knowledge of calculus that has anything to do with millions of data points
18:31 < klafka> see it makes sense to find the hessian there though man, by finding the hessian and proving it's negative semi-definite you've shown that the solution you arrive at via some optimization method is the global optimum
18:32 < lepton_> Done with CNC post programming for the day, heading back home. Good luck with Lady Math, she's a harsh but rewarding mistress
18:33 < klafka> fenn I contend that understanding the math behind the algorithms is important to understand why they work and allows you to know when you can apply the algorithm/methods to those millions of data points
18:33 < fenn> so i have all this data, and i'm trying to approximate it with a linear function, and somehow i'm proving the gradient of changing parameters is bowl shaped?
18:33 < fenn> the bowl-shapedness of the parameter space is not under my control anyway so who cares if it's  is ior not?
18:33 < klafka> it matters because if it wasn't then the approximation could be arbitrarily bad
18:33 < klafka> that's actually why we use logistic loss
18:33 < klafka> as opposed to the 0-1 loss or the hinge loss
18:34 < klafka> the logistic loss is the closest approximation to the 0-1 loss that is differentiable
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18:34 < fenn> klafka: the prooblem is that was the first homework problem, and we're totally unprepared for what it was or why we're doing it
18:34 < klafka> the hinge loss is the closest approximation to the 0-1 loss that is um continous (I believe)
18:34 < fenn> in fact i still dont understand why it's important to know hot w to do that
18:34 < fenn> i hate typing blind
18:34 < fenn> maybe i should connect locally then i can just timeout a bunch instead
18:34 < klafka> lol
18:35 < klafka> it's important because it gives you a deeper understanding of why peopledo these things
18:35 < klafka> i mean you could just learn algo x does y, algo z does k but you're just memorizing shit
18:35 < klafka> you're not gaining deeper understanding
18:35 < klafka> although I can see how it should have been presented differently
18:36 < klafka> i contend that these things are still useful to know
18:37 < fenn> also wikipedia is html and not pdf which is a huge bonus in terms of speed
18:38 < fenn> klafka here's an example how bad it is at explaining stuff
18:38 < fenn> i went through the whole chapter on logistic regression 
18:38 < fenn> without realizing that the "log" in logistic was for "logical" not "logarithm"
18:38 < klafka> lol
18:39 < klafka> the real kick in the pants is that logistic regression is for CLASSIFICATION not regression
18:39 < kanzure> why do math students put up with this?
18:39 < klafka> kanzure, most math students never touch this stuff
18:39 < klafka> this is pretty strictly the purview of CS 
18:39 < kanzure> why do any students put up with this, then
18:39 < fenn> klafka it's ok because nobody seems to know what regression ameans anyway
18:40 < klafka> lol
18:40 < klafka> true true
18:42 < fenn> another example of badness: i thought locally weighted linear regression returned a linear function (y=mx+b)
18:42 < fenn> turns out it's just some kind of spatial filte
18:42 < fenn> ring like a gaussian blur
18:45 < klafka> yeah
18:45 < fenn> i dont even know why it was included in the same chapter
18:45 < klafka> linear regression is a confusing idea imo 
18:45 < klafka> in the same chapter as?
18:46 < klafka> logistic regression?
18:46 < klafka> yeah i didn't like that either
18:46 < fenn> as linear regression
18:46 < klafka> ah
18:46 < fenn> (hint: it's not regression!)
18:48 < fenn> there really arent enough pictures in ng's notes or lectures
18:48 < fenn> he sprinkles in a few greaphs that all look the same
18:48 < klafka> yeah
18:48 < klafka> you should really check out my advisors notes
18:48 < klafka> particularly his linear methods notes
18:48 < klafka> he talks about linear regression, also talks about logistic regression
18:48 < klafka> has a lot of really cool graphs actually
18:48 < klafka> http://people.rit.edu/~jcdicsa/courses/SML/03linear.pdf
18:49 < klafka> alternatively the elements of statistical learning does too
18:49 < fenn> ok will do
18:50 < klafka> but some of his notes are pretty unique 
18:51 < klafka> ugh you totally distracted me from this terrible paper i'm writing
18:51 < klafka> at least now it's running
18:51 < klafka> err the code is running
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19:18 < kristianpaul> kanzure: yeah is not so good but the code is avaliable if i'm not wrong
19:20 < kristianpaul> at least for making something really touching important aspects to think about  when stuff is made
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19:30 < kanzure> hm where did lepton go
19:30 < kanzure> i was about to ask him on his upload progress
19:30 < kanzure> and the path location :/
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22:35 < ybit> thanks kanzure for installing uzbl on davinci
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23:22 < fenn> ybit: you're welcome
23:24 < kanzure> ybit: you're welcome
23:24 < kanzure> oh fuck
23:38 < fenn> lulz