--- Day changed Tue May 18 2010 00:13 < QuantumG> Evidence for an anomalous like-sign dimuon charge asymmetry 00:13 < QuantumG> wow, finally 00:14 < QuantumG> This result differs by 3.2 standard deviations from the standard model prediction and provides first evidence of anomalous CP-violation in the mixing of neutral B mesons. 00:15 < QuantumG> The violation of CP symmetry is a necessary condition for baryogenesis, the process thought to be responsible for the matter-antimatter asymmetry of the universe. 00:16 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-150-8.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:27 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-150-8.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:01 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-150-8.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:31 -!- Incarnation [~lorem@66.51.248.231] has quit [] 01:34 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:46 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:15 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@c-24-5-80-179.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:13 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@c-24-5-80-179.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:35 -!- quantumkat [~kat@ip72-196-96-148.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35 -!- quantumkat [~kat@ip72-196-96-148.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:39 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 03:51 < QuantumG> My goldfish is more intelligent than any AI ever built. Cognitive science still really is in the dark ages. 04:24 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:26 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 05:08 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.151] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:26 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.151] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:35 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.151] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:39 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.151] has quit [Client Quit] 06:24 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:26 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 07:16 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: ""] 07:25 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:37 < kanzure> weird pickup of the videos 07:37 < kanzure> http://www.unixweblog.com/2010/05/skdb-download-material-on-the-web-hplus-summit-2009-part-1-3/ 07:38 < kanzure> also with two comments 07:47 < kanzure> http://getzazu.com/ an app that gives you weather information when you wake up 08:33 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@131.252.130.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] --- Log closed Tue May 18 08:33:02 2010 --- Log opened Tue May 18 08:52:09 2010 08:52 < heath> thanks fenn|kanzure 09:05 < kanzure> make install -not war 09:06 < JayDugger> make install maginot-line 09:06 < kanzure> huh? 09:06 < JayDugger> The Maginot Line? 09:07 < JayDugger> It always sounded to me like a package name. 09:07 < JayDugger> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maginot_Line 09:23 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:33 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-146-31.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:44 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:01 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-146-31.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:18 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-146-31.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:30 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: ""] 10:39 -!- jm|earth [~jm@p57B9C21D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:42 -!- jm|space [~jm@p57B9E4EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:46 < kanzure> should i go watch cory doctorow speak in austin on thursday? 10:47 < kanzure> at effaustin.org's "whuffiefest" 10:51 < strages> yes 10:52 < fenn> dont forget to don your telepresence rig 10:53 < kanzure> by "your telepresence rig" you really mean "fenn's telepresence rig" right? 10:53 < kanzure> because iirc you were the one working on that :/ 11:00 < fenn> yep 11:01 < strages> while we're on the topic........do you guys think I can get one of those low profile laptop screen cameras to output to composite video and into a small dvr? 11:02 < strages> I have a plan for recording my day every day 11:19 -!- genehacker [genehacker@wireless-128-62-146-31.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 11:43 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:16 < fenn> kanzure: so there are two laser cutters soon to be in AHS? 12:17 < fenn> strages laptops use digital cameras, usually they don't have analog out, but i've seen some digital cameras with analog output... 12:19 < fenn> i dont really know what a "DVR" is though 12:21 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.72] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:22 < fenn> if all you're doing is recording video, you can just get webcam glasses or spy pens 12:22 < fenn> google "spy glasses" 12:28 < fenn> wow what a cheesy video: http://www.brickhousesecurity.com/mini-surveillance-camera.html 12:29 -!- shepazu [~schepers@adsl-242-202-103.rmo.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: Core Breach] 12:29 < thesnark> Language has been and will be an issue for a while. Everybody really knows that an exact name for the device sitting in their homes recording television to a hard drive could be something way more descriptive, but there is(seriously, not being condenscending here) a level of difficulty for a majority of the population to really understand the difference between "DVR" and something more specific. 12:30 < thesnark> Education in general is probably one of the most important issues our species needs to address. Am I right? 12:31 < fenn> no 12:32 < thesnark> What's your solution? 12:32 < fenn> fix the stupid people 12:32 < fenn> lol 12:32 < thesnark> Hm, I think that's called education. 12:32 < fenn> that makes me sound like a mad veterinarian 12:33 < fenn> i mean augment the baseline humans until they're no longer stupid 12:33 * fenn points at the channel name 12:33 < klafka> fenn, infect the stupid people with nanobots turning them into your zombie horde 12:33 < fenn> if i have nanobots why do i need a zombie horde? entertainment? 12:34 < klafka> so you could have your own version of lost 12:34 < klafka> black smoke vs. the castaways! who will win?! 12:34 < fenn> ooh my own personal floating island 12:34 < fenn> with snakes! on a plane! 12:35 < fenn> ok time to do some workly things 13:21 < kanzure> fenn: involuntary human augmentation? you and quantumg, damn 13:55 -!- thesnark [enderkillb@dhcp-84-252.me.utexas.edu] has quit [Quit: ""] 14:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.72] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.72] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:25 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:26 < QuantumG> heh, I can see how my comments the other day could be interpreted that way 14:27 < QuantumG> but I'm not actually for involuntary anything. 14:41 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-9-108.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:44 < kanzure> waldorf? or future debian developer training camp? http://www.austinondemand.com/assets/listings/78702/er0/awslogoK.JPG 14:45 < kanzure> compare to: http://osonusb.com/catalog/images/debian_splash.png 14:45 * thesnark lols 14:52 -!- Dustbin [~grumble@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:53 -!- kramer3d [~kramer@unaffiliated/kramer3d] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:07 -!- Lepton [~androirc@m8f0736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:09 < Lepton> kanzure: Did you have success in working with Solidworks through python (with win32com)? 15:10 < kanzure> no, but i got past bugs and errors 15:11 < kanzure> basically i got to the point where i had to begin guessing api parameters 15:11 < kanzure> i had python running under wine, and then i used ctypes to import solidworks dll files 15:11 < kanzure> i was on linux though 15:11 < kanzure> the experience might have been better with the native win32com modules 15:12 < Lepton> Yeah. BTW solidworks 2009 apparently runs in wine alright 15:12 < kanzure> which version of wine? 15:12 < Lepton> Also, I became a certified solidworks professional today :p 15:12 < kanzure> great! now reveal to me the secrets of the file format. there's this damn poly_list that i can't figure out 15:12 < Lepton> I'm not sure, I just happened upon it via google today 15:13 < Lepton> Unfortuatly I have no special relationship with solidworks other than having passed their tests (which you normally pay for but we got for free) 15:14 < Lepton> I want to be able to interface with active solidworks parameters to cycle through parameter sets 15:14 < kanzure> me too 15:14 < kanzure> let me see if i can't find the links 15:14 < Lepton> I can get their api 15:15 < Lepton> Its actually sitting on a local friends office desk 15:16 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/16fd8ebe6c677f2c/dda8005d614da39c?lnk=gst&q=solidworks+python#dda8005d614da39c 15:16 < kanzure> hm.. that's not the email i wanted, but it should be useful 15:16 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/solidworks.py 15:16 < kanzure> aha 15:17 < kanzure> also, good luck figuring out what half of that means. 15:17 < kanzure> i used to do windows development .. about half a decade ago 15:17 < kanzure> i can't stomach most of it these days :) 15:17 < kanzure> a quick solution btw is to use vbscript, which can use the native com32 interface to solidworks 15:18 < Lepton> ^ ha, that openmanufacturing link is what got me on irc today in the first place :) 15:18 < Lepton> same here, hence pythonocc and me getting into openmanufacturing 15:19 < kanzure> oh how kind of me, i did a win32com example in that email, cool 15:19 < Lepton> Yeap, I'd want to use some vb/python wrapper, I'm thinking 15:19 < kanzure> take notes! 15:20 < kanzure> i'd also appreciate the api documentation. i downloaded some stuff from solidworks.com once upon a time, 15:20 < kanzure> but it was mostly example code 15:21 < kanzure> here's a 4.9MB analysis of the solidworks dll files and their functions: http://designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/solidworks_source_structure.txt 15:21 < kanzure> some of the classes and methods that solidworks is implemented on top of 15:21 < kanzure> are the same as in opencascade 15:22 < Lepton> It's a funny back and forth between wanting to devlop in all open frameworks like OCC, versus here and now good closed programs 15:23 < kanzure> i've been tempted to just rewrite occ on a number of occassions 15:23 < Lepton> Why's that? 15:23 < kanzure> have you looked at its source? 15:23 < kanzure> bugs everywhere, bad documentation, no unit testing 15:24 < kanzure> and weird C++ hacks for type frameworks 15:24 < Lepton> What about developing an all python alternative? 15:24 < kanzure> might be slow, but yes i'd like that 15:25 < kanzure> i posted once or twice to open manufacturing on doing a python csg library for realz (not cgal) 15:25 < kanzure> but csg isn't enough 15:25 < kanzure> hm 15:26 -!- Dustbin [~grumble@adsl-71-145-162-129.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Read error: No route to host] 15:28 < Lepton> To an extent I prefer ease of working with a framework to performace speed 15:28 < Lepton> Its easier to throw more cycles at a problem than insightful, motivated people 15:29 < kanzure> are you sure? i have insight spewing out the ass 15:29 < kanzure> ok not really 15:31 < Lepton> But you're limited to 24 hours of existance in a day 15:31 < Lepton> so unless we can fork, we need to be as efficient in accomplishing tasks as possible 15:32 < Lepton> and that is a big reason why I like python :) 15:33 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.70.72] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:48 < kanzure> http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/2010/05/trying-3d-print-thing-again.html 15:49 < kanzure> so are they goosquirting an engine ? 15:50 < fenn> "3d printing" means a million different things 15:51 < fenn> unfortunately it's the only thing people understand when they walk in and ask "what's that thing you're working on?" 15:57 < QuantumG> yeah, I have no idea what he's talking about.. and I know the guy 16:00 < Lepton> Looks like its laser sinthered metal? 16:01 < Lepton> yeap, laser sinthered stainless steel 16:01 < QuantumG> he did say his first attempt failed because the holes were all filled with sintered metal 16:01 < Lepton> There's a company near me that does that 16:02 < QuantumG> what's the cost like? 16:02 < Lepton> I'm not sure, depends on machine time, I know that much 16:03 < Lepton> I know them make bone replacement parts 16:03 < Lepton> Since they can build to scans on a patient's body 16:03 < QuantumG> interesting application 16:04 < Lepton> Yeah, I'd love to get into CNC metal growing 16:04 < QuantumG> anyone done a DIY unit? 16:11 < Lepton> Not that I know of 16:11 < Lepton> Probably, though 16:15 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/articles/politics/israel%E2%80%99s-value-transhumanism 16:15 < QuantumG> ya think it's selective laser sintering? or direct metal laser sintering? 16:15 < kanzure> pfft, praise from aubrey 16:18 < fenn> er, what's the difference? 16:20 < QuantumG> I guess there isn't :) 16:21 < fenn> apparently the difference is whether you say it with a german accent 16:22 < QuantumG> ya 16:23 < fenn> ja 16:52 < fenn> hrmph. it's pretty lame to contact someone out of the blue saying you're interested in hiring them, then send a form letter rejection 17:10 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.130] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:16 -!- Lepton [~androirc@m8f0736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17 < QuantumG> http://singularityhub.com/2010/05/18/tony-robbins-sergey-brin-become-robots-the-telepresence-revolution/ 17:22 < klafka> lol 17:23 < klafka> that's pretty sweet 17:30 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@static-151-204-232-33.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:30 < kanzure> hey hundred-ideas 17:35 < hundred-ideas> hey there 17:36 -!- tim [~tim@h75-100-207-56.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:36 < tim> hi everyone 17:37 < tim> kanzure: you around? 17:48 -!- quantumkat [~kat@ip72-196-96-148.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48 -!- quantumkat [~kat@ip72-196-96-148.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:08 -!- tim [~tim@h75-100-207-56.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:09 -!- tim__ [~tim@h75-100-207-56.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:17 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:17 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:34 < thesnark> hi JayDugger 18:37 < tim__> kanzure: around now? 18:39 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@static-151-204-232-33.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 19:02 < tim__> welp... anyone hanging out here looking for an interesting project? 19:02 < thesnark> possibly 19:02 * thesnark is always looking, even if he's really busy 19:02 < tim__> are you familiar with openscad? 19:02 < thesnark> No 19:02 < tim__> http://openscad.org/ 19:03 < thesnark> becoming familiar... 19:03 < tim__> it's revolutionizing the RepRap project 19:03 < tim__> allowing us to treat our 3D models like software 19:03 < JayDugger> "Revolutionizing?" Have you specifics? 19:03 < tim__> yeah 19:04 < thesnark> JayDugger just for the sake of argument continue with your pitch 19:04 < tim__> Previously, all the 3D modeling was done in Solidworks or similar CAD package, which besides being expensive, and non-free, is very challenging to collaborate with 19:04 * thesnark is still listening 19:04 < tim__> can't diff or patch files 19:06 < JayDugger> And no version control, I guess? 19:06 < tim__> thesnark: one of the features the RepRap project could really use (I'm saying this as maintainer of the OpenSCAD re-work of all our CAD files) is the ability to pass an OpenSCAD module to a function in OpenSCAD which returned a bounding box around that module. 19:06 < tim__> JayDugger: right 19:06 < JayDugger> That's a common problem. :) 19:06 < tim__> JayDugger: so OpenSCAD allows for easy collaboration, version control, etc. 19:06 < JayDugger> Does it help with bug tracking? 19:07 < thesnark> tim__ assume I'm a seasoned, "professional" programmer 19:07 < thesnark> time estimate? 19:07 < tim__> JayDugger, also, it allows for config files for the 3D models, that allow any number of options to be selected (like what width threaded rod is easily available) before rendering, allowing easy customization of the entire machine 19:08 < JayDugger> Got it. Please continue with thesnark's questions. I haven't the programming skills to help, just interest. 19:08 < tim__> thesnark: No idea. I'm not familiar with OpenSCAD's codebase... but even if you were willing to glance at the sourcecode and give me an estimate of how long it would take a seasoned programmer, that would be helpful. 19:10 < tim__> thesnark: I talked to the author, Clifford Wolf, and this is what he said: "something like that is on the todo list for over half a year now. (a 19:10 < tim__> generic interface to pass 3d/2d objects to functions and let return 19:10 < tim__> functions 3d/2d objects - what you have described would be one of many 19:10 < tim__> possible applications of something like that) 19:10 < tim__> however - this would require some modifications in the OpenSCAD core and 19:10 < tim__> unfortunately I don't have much time for improving OpenSCAD atm. Something 19:10 < tim__> like this will be implemented for sure at some point at the future. but 19:10 < tim__> don't hold your breath until then.. ;-)" 19:10 < tim__> bleh 19:11 < tim__> http://pastebin.com/SdmkidHb 19:11 < thesnark> -__- I am not seeing code documentation in any form other than comments 19:12 < tim__> :( 19:12 < thesnark> taking into account the hypothetical volunteer is working on free time 19:12 < thesnark> I would honestly say that if they knew nothing of the project 19:13 < thesnark> and just wanted to draw a line outside of the module 19:13 < thesnark> hm anywhere from 4 - 5 days to a week and a half to get it production-quality 19:13 < thesnark> again, assuming they are doing it on spare time 19:13 < tim__> right 19:14 < tim__> good to know 19:14 < tim__> I ask here because I suspect, based on how useful OpenSCAD has been to the RepRap project, that it could really shine if hooked into SKDB. 19:15 < thesnark> kanzure has capital, maybe he'll be interested if you can put together a coherent argument for paying somebody to code according to a spec you make 19:15 < tim__> right 19:16 < tim__> will talk to him as soon as I can find him here, or on google talk 19:16 < thesnark> he seems to be more afk now, I'm thinking this is actually a good sign for gnusha in general 19:16 < tim__> he's not a terrible programmer either (as opposed to myself), so might be able to help with the spec. 19:21 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-54-14.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:38 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-9-108.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:50 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 19:50 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:51 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.130] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:16 -!- tim__ [~tim@h75-100-207-56.prrymi.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:25 < heath> what's the decent youtube like website for videos from microscopes, er... 21:27 * heath thinks it isn't scivee or dnatube... 22:27 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:46 < Utopiah> heath: http://www.springerprotocols.com/cdp/access/showVideos