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01:49 < fenn> noisebridge to the rescue
01:50 < fenn> i made a charger
01:50 < JayDugger> Eh?
01:50 < fenn> nothing blew up
01:50 < JayDugger> Do you smell smoke?
01:50 < fenn> i smell a fully charged battery
01:51 < fenn> a 95% charged battery
01:51 < JayDugger> Well done, fenn.
01:51 < JayDugger> I reduce my compliment by one part in twenty. :)
01:51 < fenn> and i snagged some stepper drivers to keep me occupied tomorrow
01:51 < JayDugger> How goes the reprap?
01:51 < fenn> herky jerkily
01:51 < fenn> i have some video, should probably upload it with these fat pipes
01:52 < JayDugger> Yeah...that might help convince my gf the value of household 3d printer.
01:52 < JayDugger> The Frostruder attachment totally failed to impress her.
01:57 < fenn> ahh nice and quick: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcE_GZsrQoI
01:59 < JayDugger> Which axis is that stuck upper stage?
01:59 < JayDugger> Kiteboarding? Neat!
02:01 < fenn> x
02:01 < fenn> something to do with the tension changes because the belt is mounted on one side
02:02 < fenn> the pulley only has like 4 teeth engaged and they're sorta rounded (made before i learned about the stretch plugin)
02:02 < fenn> i need to make some more pulleys
02:02 < JayDugger> Ah.
02:02 < JayDugger> Do you own that thermal imager?
02:02 < fenn> no
02:02 < fenn> it's michael kan's and he's rather protective of it
02:03 < JayDugger> I'll bet. They probably cost.
02:03 < fenn> about $3500
02:04 < JayDugger> Did you try your hand at kite flying?
02:04 < fenn> yeah that's what i did all day on whatever day that was recorded
02:05 < JayDugger> Had you flown multi-lines kits before last month?
02:06 < fenn> nope
02:07 < fenn> supposedly that's a good thing as i wouldnt have developed bad habits
02:07 < fenn> i see i've got a bit of a video backlog
02:08 < JayDugger> I believe it. I haven't flown a kite in over a decade, myself.
02:08 < JayDugger> That's alright. Miro archives it for me.
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02:50 < fenn> guh. well i got a few done
02:50 < fenn> not sure why videos take so damn long to deal with
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04:19 < JayDugger> Wasn't the Automated Design Lab in Austin involved with grammars for design?
04:22 < JayDugger> "booggie brings object-oriented graph grammars into engineering - Based  on the application of object-oriented graph grammars, engineering  knowledge is formalized and becomes computable in order to solve design  tasks."
04:23 < JayDugger> https://sourceforge.net/projects/booggie/
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10:05 < kanzure> http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maharbiz/Sato_2009_WirelessFlightControl.pdf Radio-controlled cyborg beetles: a radio-frequency system for insect neural flight control
10:06 < kanzure> http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maharbiz/
10:08 < kanzure> nice diagram on their page
10:08 < kanzure> J. Marshall, "The Fly Who Bugged Me: Labs around the World Are Hatching a New Breed of Cyborg Animal Spies", New Scientist, March, pp. 41-43, 2008.
10:09 < kanzure> MEMS conference: http://ieeemems.org/
10:09 < klafka> lol
10:09 < kanzure> hm it was in hong kong earlier this year
10:09 < kanzure> Hirotaka Sato and Daniel Cohen, Michel M. Maharbiz, "Building interfaces to developing cells and organisms: from cyborg beetles to synthetic biology," in Integrated Microsystems: Mechanical, Photonic and Biological Interfaces, CRC Press, 2010.
10:10 < kanzure> these look like generally ineresting papers: http://www.eecs.berkeley.edu/~maharbiz/publications.html
10:16 < lepton> Have you guys seen this (via slashdot) today: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/05/22/1424208/The-Economist-Calls-For-Open-Source-Biology
10:18 < Utopiah> http://www.economist.com/opinion/displayStory.cfm?story_id=16163154
10:28 < kanzure> "Maybe we will ask ourselves, one day, why we didn't make a backup of nature."
10:30 < Utopiah> there is a futurama episode on that
10:31 < kanzure> "so the best way to oppose the villains is to have lots of heroes on your side" eh
10:31 < kanzure> i thought the article would be worse, actually
10:31 < Utopiah> (with a giant Manta birostris or sth)
10:31 < kanzure> but it turned into something that kind of speaks for the proactionary principle
10:32 < kanzure> lots of comments: http://www.economist.com/node/16163154/comments
10:36 < lepton> I'm greatly in favor of "making a backup of nature"
10:36 < lepton> particularly through spreading terrestrial-originated life to other bodies in space
10:39 < kanzure> a while ago i was trying to hit that into the diybio peeps' heads
10:39 < kanzure> in particular, i was making an argument from reliability theory
10:39 < kanzure> i.e. how do you make sure a system doesn't fail?
10:39 < lepton> redundancy!
10:40 < lepton>  / diversity
10:40 < kanzure> yep
10:40 < kanzure> those are two points
10:40 < kanzure> there are two more, however
10:40 < lepton> oh?
10:40 < kanzure> redundancy, diversity, removal of bottlenecks, and uh
10:40 < kanzure> one sec
10:42 < kanzure> aha
10:43 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_point_of_failure
10:43 < kanzure> redundancy, diversity, transparency, reduced complexity (and presumably bottleneck removal)
10:43 < kanzure> i consider the global atmosphere to be a SPOF
10:44 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/4198301c89f70331
10:45 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/msg/806a061ed6a0fa3a
10:46 < kanzure> "so why shock people and claim that we're the ones breaking something that is broken by design? Instead we should be building something better."
10:49 < kanzure> at the time, diybio was still a topic that people wanted to "debate"
10:49 < kanzure> and bringing stuff like space habitats into the conversation was a bit too much
10:56 < lepton> It's unfortunate how often discussing space is too much for people
10:56 < lepton> I imagine that wasn't so much the case in my father's generation
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10:56 < lepton> Back in the 50's / 60's there was so much enthusiasm about space, in a sort of manifest destiny way
10:56 < lepton> now there's a lot of "humans are a cancer and expanding is bad"
10:57 < lepton> But I've already complained about that in here this week
10:57 < lepton> so I should give it a rest ;P
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10:57 < lepton> Interseting discussing on reddit: http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/c6wum/knowledge_manager_lets_create_a_free_synaptic/
10:57 < kanzure> url fails.. what's the actual title?
10:58 < lepton> oh yeah, I suppose it would
10:58 < kanzure> ?
10:58 < lepton> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ubuntu/comments/c6wum/knowledge_manager_lets_create_a_free_synaptic/#
10:58 < kanzure> no i mean uh
10:58 < kanzure> i meant to ask you to describe the link
10:58 < kanzure> because the "knowledge manager lets create a free synaptic" doesn't quite make sense to me
10:59 < lepton> "A clone of the Software Center and its sources, but it is solely for containing repositories that do just one thing; provide tools for learning about subjects, and the subject in question.
10:59 < lepton> "
10:59 < kanzure> have you heard of ckan?
10:59 < lepton> I don't think so
11:00 < kanzure> it's basically CPAN except for data sets and knowledge
11:01 < kanzure> skdb stands for "societal engineering-knowledge database" (ugh)
11:02 < lepton> Cool, I just added a link to ckan in the reddit thread
11:02 < kanzure> might as well addd a link to http://designfiles.org/dokuwiki/skdb while you're at it :)
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11:04 < kanzure> Utopiah: http://groups.google.com/group/diybio/browse_frm/thread/ed848cea16482bfe
11:05 < kanzure> there's my response to the article. in particular there's some content on reliability theory at the bottom of the email
11:05 < lepton> It is done
11:05 < lepton> (link to skdb added)
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11:06 < Utopiah> lepton: if you are into such things I gathered few datasets at http://wiki.seedea.org/Seedea/DATAmatrix
11:07 < lepton> awesome!
11:07 < lepton> Oh boy, this makes me wish I had more time
11:08 < Utopiah> try the local time machine at your hackerpace
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11:08 < lepton> this entire week got eaten by silly commerical software games, and then next week is likely to be eaten by physical machining time
11:08 < lepton> I just need to fork myself
11:09 < Utopiah> kanzure: afaik The Economist isn't really into waiting and bureaucratic heavy administrative actions, except if it can help liberalism
11:11 < Utopiah> btw I really dont think it's a good idea to play with the "god" vocabulary
11:11 < kanzure> hm? did i do that
11:12 < Utopiah> quote from Extropy did I think
11:12 < kanzure> crap.
11:12 < Utopiah> wait, my bad was "In past cultures (and indeed still in some cultures to this day) we
11:12 < Utopiah> prayed to the gods or elemental powers of the world to please not
11:12 < Utopiah> reign plagues and death upon us"
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11:14 < Utopiah> just that I think it's tricky and one can quickly fall into hijacked conversation about not what t'it's possible or positive but about moral phantasms or bias
11:14 < kanzure> ah, sure
11:14 < kanzure> yeah maybe i could have worded that better without the religious mention
11:14 < kanzure> what i was going for was something like "from a cultural perspective, we have spent time trying to make sense of why things are, instead of how we can improve them"
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11:16 < kanzure> well this is interesting
11:16 < kanzure> hm
11:17 < kanzure> so, i've been on adderall xr for about a decade now
11:17 < Utopiah> (also the article, again, like most others, talk about Venter DNA scanning but total omit the international effort that was done in parallel :/ )
11:17 < kanzure> recently, shire pharmaceuticals failed to evergreen the patent and someone else acquired the rights to the name as well through a variety of mergers and acquisitions
11:17 < kanzure> barr now manufactures the "generic" adderall xr, which is what i've been on for the past >6mo but less than 1 year i guess
11:17 < kanzure> and it's not the same at all
11:18 < kanzure> in fact, the FDA hasn't even given the barr generic adderall xr an AB rating
11:18 < kanzure> so it's not even "therapeutically equivalent"
11:19 < kanzure> i have a bottle of shire adderall xr that i sometimes take pills from, instead of the barr bottle
11:19 < kanzure> big difference. i thought i was just making it up :/
11:40 < kanzure> while we're still pasting links about venter's news blitz,
11:40 < kanzure> http://singularityhub.com/2010/05/20/venter-creates-first-synthetic-self-replicating-bacteria-from-scratch/
11:40 < klafka> ugh
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11:41 < kanzure> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/science.1190719v1 Creation of a Bacterial Cell Controlled by a Chemically Synthesized Genome
11:41 < kanzure> klafka: that's how i feel too
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11:45 < lepton> interesting
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12:22 < kanzure> http://biomedicalcomputationreview.org/index.html is offering a free subscription
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15:07 < kanzure> fenn: did you ever get pitch shifting to work with mplayer?
15:07 < kanzure> i'm trying ladspa but i get this nasty echo
15:07 < kanzure> mplayer -speed 0.75 -af ladspa=/usr/lib/ladspa/tap_pitch.so:tap_pitch:0:33:-90:0 input.mp3
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16:15 < kanzure> "For example - yesterday Mike and I got into the idea of the ultimate concierge service. You open the app in your iPhone and say "bring me a Pepsi." And you'll have a Pepsi within 30 minutes one way or another..."
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16:36 < lepton> Open Source scanning-tunneling microscope on hackaday: http://hackaday.com/2010/05/22/open-source-stm/
16:37 < lepton> I <3 open source projects that have quantum effects as a central premise of their opertion
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17:08 < kanzure> http://www.practicalethicsnews.com/practicalethics/2010/05/today-we-lost-the-drug-war.html anders sandberg
17:09 < kanzure> lepton: did you see the diy afm and stm projects from way-back-when?
17:09 < kanzure> that last link was anders sandberg discussing synthetic biology and druglords
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17:13 < lepton> kanzure: ^nope, I don't think I did
17:13 < kanzure> hm
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17:15 < lepton> Interesting article you linked to, though
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17:40 < QuantumG> http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/darpas-handheld-nuclear-fusion-reactor/
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18:32 < lepton> Inertial fusion is another very interesting area of Darpa research
18:32 < lepton> particularly the work of Bussard labs
18:34 < lepton> Here's a google talk on it from 2007 (there was a brief window when Darpa dropped funding for Bussard's labs, and he went around talking about what they'd been up to but were unable to disclose. They brought the research back under Darpa shortly thereafter, and it's all classified again)
18:34 < lepton> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1518007279479871760
18:35 < QuantumG> yeah, watched it.  There's been an episode of The Space Show since then, had some more up-to-date news
18:35 < lepton> Oh really? How recently?
18:35 < QuantumG> Dec 2009 I believe
18:36 < QuantumG> http://thespaceshow.com/detail.asp?q=1279
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18:54 < wilywonka> the comments on venters media blitz are so funny
18:55 < wilywonka> lots of comparing it to speeding up evolution then usually the topic gets way off track as almost everyone tends to think about evolution almost as if its a guiding creationist hand
19:15 < QuantumG> its funny.. Venter's work is plodding and deliberate.  If you've heard him talk about it once, and have a basic knowledge of genomics, it's pretty obvious what he's trying to do.. yet everyone seems to be either dazzled by the bullshit they say to attract venture capital or off in their own world predicting the end of civilization or evolution.
19:30 < klafka> yep
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20:04 < kristianpaul> http://wikispooks.com/wiki/WikiSpooks:About
20:07 < wilywonka> don't see anything about x doctrine or george kennan
20:07 < wilywonka> obviously not complete
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