--- Day changed Mon May 31 2010 01:01 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:35 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:40 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:41 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:42 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:13 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:14 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:15 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:23 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-59-34.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:35 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:45 -!- Incarnation [~lorem@66.51.250.71] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:46 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:46 -!- Incarnation [~lorem@66.51.250.71] has quit [Client Quit] 02:46 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:45 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:50 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:16 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:17 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:13 -!- wolfspra1l [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:13 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-59-34.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 05:14 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:21 -!- drazak [~drazak@ip-69-162-134-185.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:31 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-11-154.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:54 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:00 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:08 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:09 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:14 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:51 < kanzure> oh look! arrows! http://manufakturingruendung.ch/userfiles/image/seiten/OSH_production_future.png 06:51 < kanzure> Visualizing the open manufacturing value stream and cooperation network http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/?p=9064 06:52 < thesnark> Clearly arrows always mean you have something important to say 06:52 < kanzure> ohh, boxes too! 06:52 < thesnark> 2nd link is broken 06:52 < kanzure> michel bauwens commonly links to blog posts that don't exist yet 07:02 -!- JayDugger [~Jay_Dugge@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:02 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 07:04 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:16 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:19 < kanzure> what's going on here? http://thestartuptoolkit.com 07:20 < JayDugger> Silentale runs a special on accounts--free through 31 May. 07:21 < JayDugger> I signed up, but they don't yet impress me. They look too much like Plaxo to me. 07:21 < JayDugger> They want a change in workflow, and that breaks my habits without clearly offering substantial improvement. 07:21 < JayDugger> Lessons for 1kfriendly. 07:22 < JayDugger> ehhh....on-line whiteboard with template? Kind of neat, I guess... 07:23 < JayDugger> Oh, speaking of which--does anyone know of good whiteboard paint? I moved (still move) this weekend, and redecorating a wall has some appeal. 07:23 < JayDugger> I'd like paint that costs less than a video projector, its power, and its maintenance. 07:24 < thesnark> "We'll try our best to preserve your data, but no guarantees." Hmmm 07:25 < JayDugger> Prezi has it beat for cool, but I am a sucker for zooming user interfaces. I am also a sucker for goth fashion, so YMMV. 07:25 < JayDugger> A point for their honesty, thesnark. 07:25 < thesnark> Perhaps, but that does not encourage me to use it :) 07:25 < JayDugger> Amen. 07:27 -!- drazak [~drazak@ip-69-162-134-185.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:27 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.27] has quit [] 07:28 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:29 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:32 < kanzure> http://soft-transcend.org/Fulfillment/chatLogs/052910_IPandTheFuture.htm 07:32 < kanzure> ugh uh oh 07:33 < kanzure> nanosocialism? :/ 07:33 < thesnark> summarize please 07:33 < kanzure> "[2010/05/29 11:22] Zobeid Zuma: They have been documented using hackers to steal the blueprints and operating manuals of entire factories and then build a duplicate. It happens." 07:34 < kanzure> it's just a chat log from the cosmic engineers 07:34 < kanzure> they have started doing weekly meetings apparently 07:34 < kanzure> which is nice and all, but i find their insight lacking 07:34 < thesnark> haha nanosocialism? 07:34 < thesnark> isn't that just called sharing? 07:34 < thesnark> Even if you're talking about reproducing products with your own means 07:35 < thesnark> Sounds like sharing to me 07:35 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:35 < thesnark> besides, socialism is such a broad term 07:36 < thesnark> imo people should always avoid terms ending with ism if they want to be clear about what they mean 07:36 < JayDugger> What's the current status of Makerbeam? http://makerbeam.com/ 07:39 < JayDugger> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/405545346/lasersaur-open-source-laser-cutter-0 07:40 * thesnark feels like a progress dashboard for projects would be helpful 07:40 < JayDugger> Kickstarter for an open source laser cutter. 07:40 < thesnark> I think this kind of thing could be integrated with project projector 07:40 < JayDugger> The video is annoying. The woman on the right hand side would get better use of her shirt's low neckline if she'd put down the coffee cup during the filiming. 07:41 < JayDugger> What's project projector? 07:41 < thesnark> sec 07:41 < thesnark> need to find link 07:42 < thesnark> fffuuu accessed it on my other machine 07:44 < thesnark> kanzure could you show JayDugger what you showed me? 07:44 < kanzure> http://adl.serveftp.org:8091/projector/projects/ do not click "run" 07:45 < kanzure> "for under 3k" 07:45 < kanzure> that's a pricey target 07:46 < thesnark> kanzure have to start somewhere I suppose, maybe there is a justification for that price somewhere 07:46 < kanzure> i doubt it 07:46 < kanzure> les filip and i were going to do an open source laser cutter for about $500 each 07:46 < thesnark> Wow 07:47 < thesnark> His girlfriend is nice 07:47 < thesnark> I wonder where you find women like that 07:47 < JayDugger> kanzure, that'd have more impressiveness without the past tense. :) 07:47 < thesnark> ^ that too 07:47 < JayDugger> The Internet: it's not just for pornography anymore. 07:47 < JayDugger> They might have met on-line, thesnark. 07:47 < kanzure> the past tense is because les has gone missing for the past week 07:47 < JayDugger> Oh. 07:51 < parolang> So...Second Life is like IRC, except with added commentary about what other people are wearing. 07:51 < kanzure> :( 07:52 < kanzure> i read through most of the log.. it was pretty useless 07:52 < thesnark> parolang I disagree, I think there is a nice concept to it 07:52 < thesnark> the issue imo is a poor user ability to make what they're thinking about in the space they have 07:52 < thesnark> parolang so actually yeah right now it might just be like IRC 07:52 < thesnark> but I think it _can_ be much more 07:52 < parolang> What's the concept? A 3D game with poor gameplay. 07:52 < kanzure> thesnark: so, for promise pyramid or project projector, i was thinking that people could either "do something" for the project (and promise some sort of service) or pony up some sort of microdonation 07:52 < thesnark> also, use opensim :p 07:53 < JayDugger> SL: An MMO with property-rights for its users. 07:53 < thesnark> ew, really? I didn't realize people could own stuff 07:53 < parolang> Ah right, the virtual economy. 07:53 < JayDugger> SL predates Opensim, IIRC. 07:53 < thesnark> kind of defeats the purpose of a virtual environment 07:53 < JayDugger> How so? 07:54 < thesnark> in a virtual environment there is almost no scarcity 07:54 < thesnark> you can make and do whatever you want 07:54 < kanzure> TCrown: were you the one wanting to set up the money for a prize/competition for an open source smt machine plus pcb manufacturing capacity? 07:55 < thesnark> kanzure that sounds like a good line of thought for project projector but I feel like we should set it up to have a "framework" where users can add functionality to the pyramid 07:55 < thesnark> kanzure there are many social functions for the pyramid probably 07:55 < thesnark> kanzure of course including tasks and donations 07:56 < thesnark> but I'm willing to bet we can't think of all of them by ourselves 07:56 < thesnark> let the users do it 07:56 < kanzure> i agree 07:56 < thesnark> :D This is really an exciting idea for me 07:56 < kanzure> "you must become the sky" (for the pyramids and bubbles to pop within) 07:56 < JayDugger> thesnark--what's the difference between low cost of creation and low cost of duplication & distribution 07:56 < JayDugger> ?, even 07:57 < thesnark> I am working on a proposal for the next month though 07:57 < thesnark> so I may not really be able to contribute until July 07:57 < JayDugger> This is a minor point, so if you've better things to do, please ignore it. :) 07:57 < kanzure> JayDugger: did you see my arm? 07:58 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/photos/puma560/2010-05-28_puma500.jpg 07:58 -!- Noahj [~noah@pool-96-237-189-146.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:58 < thesnark> JayDugger hm I'm not sure I understand where confusion could be about the differences 07:58 < thesnark> JayDugger one is distribution and the other is production, right? 07:58 * thesnark is confused 07:58 < parolang> kanzure: awesome :) 07:59 < kanzure> hell yeah! 07:59 < thesnark> JayDugger I want to see where you're going with this 08:00 < thesnark> kanzure minor, unrelated topic: are you not using chanserv to moderate this channel? Why are you not op? 08:00 < JayDugger> Good Lord, what will you do with that? 08:01 < thesnark> JayDugger that's what I wanted to know :) 08:01 < kanzure> thesnark: because i didn't register the channel, i left the channel while other people were still in here 08:02 < kanzure> i tried to register the channel through the freenode sysops but they haven't done anything 08:02 < thesnark> I guess we can just use /ignore for spammers 08:02 < kanzure> yep 08:02 < kanzure> btw please put flamt on /ignore 08:05 < parolang> JayDugger: I think he needs a robotic arm to hold the fire extinguisher. 08:05 < kanzure> i am going to be using it for pick-and-place shipping/packaging stuff 08:06 < kanzure> right now it's serving as a really, really amazing lamp 08:06 < parolang> heh 08:08 < JayDugger> :) 08:12 -!- thebwt [~thebwt@li44-117.members.linode.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12 -!- neobii [neobii@shellglitch.possessed.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15 < thesnark> Ok, srsly I need to get cracking on this proposal work. bbl. 08:16 < JayDugger> Keep up the good work, thesnark. 08:16 < JayDugger> I need to finish moving, myself. 08:16 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 08:16 -!- JayDugger [~Jay_Dugge@pool-173-57-16-175.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 08:19 < kanzure> hm who would be able to answer questions about antlr and parsers for me? 08:36 -!- splicer_sleeping [~foo@h90n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:37 -!- splicer_sleeping is now known as splicer 08:58 < kanzure> you know, the quickest way i can see to get openscad to do a STEP export is if i include some dependencies on opencascade 09:21 < kanzure> http://cgal-python.gforge.inria.fr/ 09:25 < kanzure> hm i didn't know python did templates 09:26 -!- shepazu [~schepers@d51530B1E.static.telenet.be] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:36 -!- neobii [neobii@shellglitch.possessed.us] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:36 -!- thebwt [~thebwt@li44-117.members.linode.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:38 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@226.sub-75-231-49.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:45 < kanzure> http://www.synbioworld.org/ *yawn* 09:46 < kanzure> wtf is "bannerzest" and why are they using it 09:49 < kanzure> fenn: les might be dead, do you know the phone numbers for his other room mates? 09:58 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@226.sub-75-231-49.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@168.sub-75-231-222.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:04 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:14 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:24 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:38 < thesnark> kanzure do you use google wave at all 10:38 < thesnark> kanzure I want to share some thoughts and ideas with you 10:40 < thesnark> If you check your account I am writing some stuff 10:46 < kanzure> fenn: nevermind, i found him playing with a nailgun at the shop 10:50 < kanzure> thesnark: i don't understand Swarm.. how is this different from conventional scaling procedures for clusters 10:50 < thesnark> the computations can be different from a map/reduce 10:51 < thesnark> currently systems that scale are built entirely around map/reduce 10:51 < kanzure> is there audio to this? 10:51 < thesnark> Yes 10:51 < thesnark> you should hear his voice 10:51 < kanzure> blah 10:51 < kanzure> what if i don't want to? 10:51 < thesnark> haha 10:51 < thesnark> then don't :) 10:51 < kanzure> okay, so the explanation part isn't by voice? 10:51 < thesnark> It is by voice 10:52 < thesnark> he explains as the slides progress 10:52 < thesnark> I can hear the audio O_o 10:52 < kanzure> oh, no you don't understand, i don't /want/ to hear the audio 10:52 < kanzure> but i didn't know if it's there or not 10:52 < thesnark> but the advantage of swarm is basically scalable computation that isn't restricted to map/reduce 10:53 < thesnark> so like maybe db ops 10:53 < thesnark> or anything 10:53 < kanzure> it looks an awful lot like openmosix 10:53 < kanzure> well, nevermind 10:53 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279555996.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:53 < Alystair> oh there we go 10:54 < kanzure> there seems to be no simple explanation of openmosic up on the net 10:54 < thesnark> except its a programming language 10:54 < Alystair> found you again Bryan :) 10:54 < thesnark> and there's not really any setup other than installing some kind of daemon on each node 10:54 < kanzure> why should it be a programming language? isn't it just scala with saved continuations? i.e. thus a part of the jvm 10:54 < thesnark> no 10:54 < kanzure> hello Alystair 10:55 < kanzure> apparently we talked in #startups about zotero.org, papers, and some bio stuff 10:55 < thesnark> It's not that simple, there are many unsolved problems with it. And its a programming language so you only have to worry about the problem and not the setup 10:55 < kanzure> okay 10:55 * Alystair is doing research into tonsils and strep throat 10:55 < thesnark> For example 10:55 < thesnark> swarm was trying to figure out a good load balancing algo last I checked 10:55 < thesnark> its *totally* distributed 10:55 < kanzure> didn't freenet have that sort of thing? 10:56 < Alystair> kanzure: bio stuff is cool in this chan? 10:56 < thesnark> meh sorta 10:56 < thesnark> freenet uses bloom filters 10:56 < thesnark> not really a good fit at all for swarm 10:56 < kanzure> Alystair: absolutely! can you pm me an email address and i'll linkdump you stuff that we talk about? 10:56 < kanzure> thesnark: it's really weird.. someone here at ut claims to had solo-invented freenet.. and it's not ian 10:56 < Alystair> can't hurt 10:56 < kanzure> it's uh, blu 10:56 < kanzure> er, blofidjoifd 10:56 < Alystair> maybe you could automate that process ;) 10:56 < kanzure> blano? 10:56 < Alystair> so I could go !emailme kanzure 10:56 < Alystair> and blammo 10:56 < Alystair> it sends everything ;) 10:56 < thesnark> kanzure if they published their first paper describing it before him then fine, if not punch them in the dick 10:57 < kanzure> depends on your email address 10:57 < thesnark> besides freenet is just an implementation of a broader idea...saying you "invented" it is a little silly 10:57 < kanzure> invented/built/made-it-happen 10:57 < thesnark> lulz that's a good one 10:57 < thesnark> I'd like to know their name and see their work 10:58 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:58 < thesnark> they are probably full of crap 10:58 < thesnark> like most people 10:58 < kanzure> brandon wiley 10:58 < thesnark> anonymous, resistant data networks are going to get more and more common, its like saying you invented the concept of file sharing 10:58 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:59 < thesnark> or "peer to peer" 10:59 < Alystair> anyway, I've been getting strep one every year or so and I've been trying to figure out what makes it so certain, I never get sick from anything else... so I'm looking into how tonsils might be involved 10:59 < kanzure> Alystair: email sent 11:00 < kanzure> hmm i got an email from "ben moskowitz" (maybe it's one of fenn's fake identities) 11:00 < Alystair> thanks 11:00 < thesnark> also, the complete commit history of freenet is online and if you look, "sanity" clearly did _all_ of the commits when freenet was being created 11:00 < thesnark> sanity == Ian Clarke 11:01 < kanzure> k 11:01 < thesnark> so just punch him in the dick 11:01 < kanzure> it's too small :( 11:02 < thesnark> http://www.campheatwole.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/the-berenstain-bears-get-kicked-in-the-dick.jpg 11:02 < thesnark> Anyway, give me your thoughts :p 11:03 < kanzure> dunno 11:03 < kanzure> it might be interesting as a research project, at best 11:06 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:07 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16 < Alystair> guh looks like if I go to my doc with my own observations he'll probably want to get my tonsils removed 11:17 < Alystair> seriously I need a better GP 11:18 < Alystair> I mean it would fix the problem but I get a bad feeling from it 11:19 < lepton_> I've had similar issues. If you've taken a lot of antibiotics from previous illnesses, that can make you significantly more susceptable to further infections 11:19 < lepton_> You can try taking probiotics 11:20 < Alystair> well, I don't get sick from anything other than this, every year or so 11:20 < Alystair> the antibiotics work but it comes back every year now 11:20 < Alystair> so I got a feeling my tonsils have something to do with it 11:21 < lepton_> Yeah, but if you keep taking antibiotics to solve the same problem, you're both not giving your body a chance to develop it's own immunity, and you're eliminating the populations of healthy bacteria that would normally prevent bad bacteria from overgrowing 11:21 < lepton_> at least this is stuff my Doctor's talked about in the past year 11:21 < lepton_> since I've had similar problems :) 11:21 < lepton_> I have no medical background 11:21 < lepton_> much better with machines and computers 11:21 < Alystair> same 11:22 * Alystair just happens to be pretty good at connecting dots 11:49 < Alystair> http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE52T4MB20090330 <- this is fun because it might show a real issue and side effect or it could just be the diet of soft foods after the operation 11:49 < Alystair> that the parents feed the children to make them feel better 11:51 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:54 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:02 < Alystair> bah, Tonsillectomy it is. 12:05 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:11 < Alystair> there are some days that I'd love to have my own fiber optic endoscope :( 12:13 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:18 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:20 < lepton_> I think there's a USB endoscope kit out there for $100 or so 12:20 < lepton_> But I only vaguely remember it from a blog a year back or so 12:21 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:30 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@168.sub-75-231-222.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:30 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@87.sub-75-220-43.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:38 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:38 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:00 < fenn> kanzure: you could try emailing doug thome at tolgewood@yahoo.com 13:05 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@87.sub-75-220-43.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:05 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@246.sub-75-231-11.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:14 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@246.sub-75-231-11.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:15 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:15 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:15 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@138.sub-75-220-66.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:17 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:21 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:21 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@138.sub-75-220-66.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:22 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@205.sub-75-220-162.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:29 < kanzure> back from my meetings today 13:29 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@205.sub-75-220-162.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:30 < kanzure> fenn: i found les at the shop, so he's definitely not dead 13:30 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@224.sub-75-220-136.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:33 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:37 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:37 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:42 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:43 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:07 < dustbin> that's good I was getting a bit worried about him 14:12 < kanzure> http://www.singularitysummit.com/program is it that time of year again? 14:12 < kanzure> also, how did they get steve mann? 14:16 < kanzure> and why is eliezer speaking about intelligence augmentation? he hates that 14:27 -!- egeste [~egeste@70.85.237.250] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:27 < egeste> fine 14:27 < egeste> im here 14:28 < kanzure> :) 14:36 < splicer> I see the singularity summit has both James Randi and Kurzweil... an intresting combination 14:47 < thesnark> ok rant time 14:48 < thesnark> Why do people not get that the ipad and ebook readers are two different products? 14:48 < thesnark> ipad is for douches who like media and web browsing, ebook readers use new displays to give eyes a 'paper' experience 14:48 < thesnark> two 14:48 < thesnark> different 14:48 < thesnark> things 14:49 < splicer> two different things for about 5min 14:49 < thesnark> hm? 14:49 < splicer> ... future readers won't make the distinction 14:50 < thesnark> So you're saying a product similar to the ipad with a paper display will be produced? 14:51 < splicer> not e-paper maybe.. but something similar 14:51 < dustbin> probably a hybrid display 14:51 < dustbin> one of those high res black and white and lower res color 14:51 < splicer> answer me this instead... why do people still collect books? 14:52 < kanzure> obsessive compulsive disorder 14:52 < thesnark> nah, I prefer paper for the same reason the new displays were made 14:52 < splicer> how many books do you fit on a 32 gig usb today?... 5000? 14:52 < thesnark> monitors do kill my eyes 14:53 -!- neobii_ [~chatzilla@75-30-249-187.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:53 < thesnark> splicer meh depends on the format 14:54 < Utopiah> splicer: people are tactile, they have to touch tangible objects, even if their content is symbolic 14:54 < thesnark> ^ I guess a little of that too 14:55 < thesnark> not much though....a keyboard/mouse combo is really enough in that dept 14:55 < thesnark> really its mostly the display 14:55 < splicer> thesnark: if it's text it's probably more like 500K books 14:55 < kanzure> hey, can anyone help me figure out how to prioritize tasks on a long todo list (but for a single day)? 14:55 < kanzure> all of the tasks need to be accomplished in a single day, and none of them are dependent on order or location 14:55 < thesnark> hm priorities are pretty much your call, right kanzure? 14:55 < thesnark> ok 14:55 < kanzure> yeah but what's my damn choice function 14:56 < Utopiah> kanzure: no, but I tried http://fabien.benetou.fr/Cognition/PriorityByEconomicalSystem 14:56 < neobii_> is the a* algorithm involved? 14:56 < kanzure> no 14:56 < kanzure> i hope not 14:57 < kanzure> i guess i can do an optimization function on priorities and figure out what the local minima and maxima are for different types of tasks 14:57 < kanzure> and then over time i can learn what values to assign as the priority values 15:02 < splicer> 80/20 rule maybe 15:02 < splicer> prune the task list 15:07 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:09 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:22 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:22 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:40 < kanzure> because thesnark asked for it, 15:41 < kanzure> here's my "unnecessarily ridiculously huge manufacturing equipment" youtube playlist 15:41 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnIvhlKT7SY&feature=PlayList&p=0EB93E6E02E5CF17&playnext_from=PL&index=0 15:41 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov] 15:47 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:30 -!- Tuna_Can [~Tuna@71-95-239-140.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:30 < kanzure> hello Tuna_Can 16:30 -!- Tuna_Can [~Tuna@71-95-239-140.dhcp.rvsd.ca.charter.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:31 < Alystair> kanzure: I see you and raise you my own playlists : http://www.youtube.com/user/alystair#p/p 16:38 < lepton_> Beautiful video 16:38 < lepton_> I want a 5+ Axis machining center 16:42 < Alystair> I want an everything room 16:42 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:42 < Alystair> a noah's ark of all construction devices 16:42 < Alystair> 2 of everything 16:43 < Alystair> an open lab 16:44 < kanzure> "noah's kit" 16:44 * Alystair salivates 16:47 < lepton_> We just need one, and to put it in space such that we can make more 16:47 < Alystair> yeah, no. 16:47 < lepton_> Well, that's my plan, at least 16:47 < Alystair> cost of bringing raw materials up would be a bitch :) 16:47 < lepton_> up? 16:48 < Alystair> you said space 16:48 < lepton_> All the raw material of the univese is already up there! 16:48 < Alystair> unless noah's kit involves a space elevator 16:48 < lepton_> We need to get away from the paradigm of harvesting materials from the earth 16:48 < Alystair> ._. 16:48 < lepton_> :) 16:49 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:53 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:54 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:05 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:12 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:20 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:22 < kanzure> lepton_: or we can just do a few well-placed nuclear strikes against the earth so that we don't have to bother about "getting into orbit" 17:25 < lepton_> The (origional) Orion project was pretty compelling, IMO 17:26 < lepton_> arguably more agreeable than conventional chemical rockets from an environmental perspective, too 17:26 < kanzure> i hate the namespace violation too 17:26 < lepton_> yeah! right? 17:26 < lepton_> Though I have greater hopes for Inertia fusion based rockets, though 17:27 < lepton_> ^wow, I must not be paying attention to what I'm typing 17:34 < thesnark> kanzure the latter option sometimes seems overwhelmingly more likely 17:34 -!- flamt [~root@CPE001422b7fbf2-CM001ac30fb810.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:36 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@224.sub-75-220-136.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:37 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@196.sub-75-231-198.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:40 < kanzure> lepton_: does your startup have an awesome 1980s-style shop video for itself? 17:40 < kanzure> like: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8s3IlIE4Yuk&feature=PlayList&p=0EB93E6E02E5CF17&playnext_from=PL&index=9 17:43 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:02 < lepton_> No, but we could make a video like that. I'm imagining "The Final Countdown" playing throughout the video 18:06 -!- InkBlob [~fsdffasdf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:14 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:28 -!- clemux is now known as happymux 18:37 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279555996.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 18:54 < thesnark> goodnight hplus 18:54 -!- thesnark [~michael@ppp-69-221-11-154.dsl.toldoh.ameritech.net] has quit [Quit: ""] 19:01 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:04 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:24 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:28 < kanzure> "There never was or will be safety or certainty in any ultimate sense, from the point of view of any (necessarily subjective) agent. So let us each embrace this aspect of reality and strive, not for safety but for meaningful growth." 19:29 < kanzure> nsh: *poke* 19:46 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:51 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:31 -!- lepton_ [~lepton@196.sub-75-231-198.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/oversized_load.png 20:57 -!- InkBlob [~fsdffasdf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 21:25 -!- CIA-47 [cia@208.69.182.149] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:25 -!- splicer [~foo@h90n3c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 21:27 < kanzure> the description of the video here scares me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGP3A_i6E6g 21:27 < kanzure> and the video is weird too 21:28 < kanzure> "direct digital control" o.O 21:30 < kanzure> using a laser cutter to cut paper, and then chemical treatment to turn it "into wood"? 21:30 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH0pJgEy6DU&feature=related 21:31 < kanzure> (at 1:08) 21:41 < kanzure> ah, here we go, the playlist link: 21:41 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/user/kanzure#grid/user/0EB93E6E02E5CF17 21:42 < kanzure> just in case i'm not the only one mesmorized by some of these 21:44 < kanzure> fenn: can i just pay you to do an actually gpl-licensed csg library in python? 21:44 < kanzure> instead of you working somewhere? 21:46 -!- CIA-46 [cia@208.69.182.149] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:25 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.10] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:32 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36 -!- shepazu [~schepers@62-50-199-254.client.stsn.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:36 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:36 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:58 < Utopiah> ( recommended DIY sleep studies at ~min17 of Nutrients for Better Mental Performance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PA-buwI3q4 Steven Wm. Fowkes, Google Tech Talk 2009 )