--- Day changed Tue Jun 08 2010 00:03 -!- superkuh [~hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 00:13 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:17 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:26 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.23] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:57 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:03 -!- Trooem [~fsdffasdf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 01:04 -!- Overand_ [overand@crappy.domain.name] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:07 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:09 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kardan, Yocttar, Overand 01:09 -!- Overand_ is now known as Overand 01:15 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:16 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Yocttar 01:20 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:28 -!- kardan [kardan@mail.brueckenschlaeger.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:36 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kardan 02:11 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:16 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:19 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-202-18.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:20 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kardan 02:47 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-202-18.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:59 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:26 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-202-18.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:28 < Utopiah> http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2010/06/consumer_genomics_company_snaf_1.html they do talk a lot about the importance of security but in the end... 03:35 -!- Noahj [~noah@c-24-34-27-156.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:36 -!- Noahj [~noah@c-24-34-27-156.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:58 < splicer> right now they probably have a customerbase that's likely to spot the error 04:18 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.23] has quit [] 04:31 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:31 -!- marainein [~marainein@220.253-202-18.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:34 < Utopiah> splicer (for the log and others) you mean the early adopters are probably more security conscious than the mass of customers they expected to ave in few years? 05:16 -!- splicer [~foo@h68n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:03 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20080522131012/http://www.mel.nist.gov/msidstaff/sauder/SCL.htm 06:03 < kanzure> The NIST STEP Class Library 06:04 < kanzure> stalk: David Sauder, K.C. Morris, David Rosenfield, Don Libes, Joshua Lubell, Peter Denno 06:06 < kanzure> hm actually i think i already know of josh lubell 06:17 < kanzure> http://www.jsdai.net/ 06:25 < kanzure> http://www.scientificblogging.com/riseofthecitizenscientist 06:36 -!- Yocttar [~victor@bzq-84-111-31-19.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:37 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:15 < kanzure> heh supe.rs is available 07:18 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:25 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:41 < fenn> 07:52 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:52 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 08:05 < kanzure> hi jay 08:13 < kanzure> 420,000 live viewers of the stream from the conference last year? 08:13 < JayDugger> Huh? 08:13 < kanzure> that sounds unreasonable 08:13 < JayDugger> I doubt it. 08:13 < kanzure> hmm 08:13 < kanzure> it's what lightman claims 08:13 < JayDugger> 4200? 08:13 < kanzure> heh, let me check 08:14 < kanzure> "What took me completely by surprise was how much fun people would have both in the conference and outside, how many people watched the live streaming (420,000!), and how much love people expressed for each other, and how many times people thanked me for the experience." 08:14 < JayDugger> I don't think the conference had enough scantily clad sex objects for that number. 08:14 < kanzure> i don't think it had the *infrastructure* for that 08:15 < JayDugger> No destination, no road, no way? 08:16 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:19 < JayDugger> Well, who knows? I'd like to think the conference had that many different viewers and not just that many reconnections. 08:23 < splicer> I was one of 40 people watching the Singularity University graduation... considering all the hype... I thought that was kindof funny. 08:31 < kanzure> does anyone have info on, or opinions of, the "oil sands leadership initiatie" 08:31 < kanzure> *oil sands leadership initiative 08:31 < fenn> arent oil sands universally recognized as a waste of time? 08:32 < kanzure> it's a consortium between ConocoPhillips Canada, Nexen, Statoil Canada, Suncor, Total E&P Canada 08:33 < fenn> can i get ready-made vibration dampers for nylon webbing? 08:34 < JayDugger> Top Google result for oil sands leadership initiative lead to a slide show of the Alberta Water Research Institute. 08:34 < fenn> hmm maybe i can also use it as an electrical generator 08:34 * fenn pats self on back for obvious insight 08:34 < JayDugger> fenn--could you use the plastic coated lead rings for glassware in chemistry labs? 08:34 < fenn> no 08:35 < fenn> this is to keep my belt pack from bouncing excessively 08:35 < JayDugger> Add a second strap at the bottom of the pouch. 09:02 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 09:17 -!- mage2 [~mage@66.179.208.36] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:53 < fenn> In at least three states (Illinois, Massachusetts, and Maryland), it is now illegal to record an on-duty police officer even if the encounter involves you and may be necessary to your defense, and even if the recording is on a public street where no expectation of privacy exists. 10:00 < splicer> They passed the same law in the UK last year 10:07 < splicer> on another topic: from http://lifeboat.com/ex/quotes "It is important to remember that technology breeds crime, it always has . . . it always will." 10:10 < kanzure> splicer has been looking for crime in biopunk since day one :P 10:12 < splicer> biopunk is love 10:13 < splicer> kanzure: you had problems with the lifeboat foundation once? 10:18 < kanzure> sort of :P 10:18 < kanzure> they thought i was going to destroy the wortld or something? 10:18 < kanzure> *world 10:18 < kanzure> anyway, they want me to be on their advisors board now (which isn't a big deal- they'll ask anyone that breathes) 10:21 < kanzure> http://hackfwd.com/ 10:39 < splicer> there is a #biopunk channel here on freenode btw 10:57 -!- shepazu [~schepers@217.39.2.51] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:06 < fenn> i read the original article.. it's not a new law, just a clever (read: stupid) interpretation of the old laws, with increased action by police and somehow being upheld by the courts there 11:07 < kanzure> hm i thought "the singularity is near" showed up in my mail because h+ summit was just sending all the speakers the book 11:07 < kanzure> but it turns out my mom sent it to me? 11:07 < fenn> lol 11:07 < fenn> "dear bryan, you should find out more about this kurzweil guy, love mom" 11:08 < splicer> his mom doesn't like him? 11:08 < fenn> they are extra snarky 11:09 < kanzure> commentary on ray: http://heybryan.org/fernhout/ 11:10 < kanzure> who knew? most effective cat toy evar: http://www.hoodbreght.com/phpBB3/ZenCart/images/blank_koozie.jpg 11:11 < fenn> has it been eaten in entirety? 11:11 < kanzure> almost 11:11 < kanzure> he gets it stuck to his claws 11:11 < kanzure> and then he runs around all hilariously in a only-a-cat-could-do-that way 11:25 -!- shepazu [~schepers@217.39.2.51] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 11:56 < phryk> :D 12:03 -!- Yocttar_ [~victor@bzq-84-111-31-19.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:34 -!- Trooem [~fsdffasdf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:46 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:54 -!- Ashley__ [~chatzilla@173-135-166-70.pools.spcsdns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:55 -!- Ashley__ [~chatzilla@173-135-166-70.pools.spcsdns.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 13:00 -!- Yocttar_ [~victor@bzq-84-111-31-19.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:07 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:09 -!- genehacker [~notanemai@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:42 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-50-64.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:43 < hundred-ideas> hey 13:43 < hundred-ideas> kanzure: you areound? 13:47 < fenn> "The only real deadline in life is the one where you actually die." 13:48 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:51 < splicer> slacker 14:13 -!- drazak [~kaerzkd@ip-69-162-134-185.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:16 < bkero> fenn: My array of shell corporations tradin stock in each other and commiting minor acts of fraud is automated and will run even after my death. 14:16 < drazak> bkero: :D 14:17 < bkero> Each has a board of directors, comprised entirely of intelligence routines from other shell corporations. 14:19 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:45 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: yeah i'm around now 14:46 < kanzure> i was playing with my laser cutter 14:46 < hundred-ideas> great 14:46 < kanzure> lol at sham laser on/off switch 14:46 < kanzure> it doesn't do anything 14:46 < hundred-ideas> hahah 14:46 < kanzure> laser just keeps on trucking 14:46 < bkero> kanzure: What is controlling it? 14:46 < kanzure> magic smoke 14:46 < bkero> lol 14:46 < hundred-ideas> so sprout is a confirmed as a venue for the h+beer meetup 14:46 < bkero> I meant do you have a computer doing some toolpath stuff? 14:46 < hundred-ideas> are we gonna do it? 14:46 < bkero> Also how the fuck did you get a free laser cutter? 14:46 * bkero would give his left nut for one. 14:47 < kanzure> bkero: it was not free 14:47 < kanzure> i bought it 14:47 < bkero> Oh 14:47 < hundred-ideas> did you get an Epi? 14:47 < bkero> Aren't those things thousands of dollars? 14:47 < hundred-ideas> a Zing? 14:47 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: universal laser cutter 14:47 < kanzure> bkero: yes.. i have funding, remember? 14:48 < bkero> Oh, nice. 14:48 < bkero> Hackerspace? :) 14:48 < kanzure> yeah i'm in the shop at the moment 14:48 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: sprout sounds fine 14:48 < kanzure> where is sprout relative to harvard university science center? 14:48 < bkero> Sweet 14:48 < hundred-ideas> here's the route: http://bit.ly/hplusbeermap 14:49 < hundred-ideas> and what do you mean, "universal laser cutter" 14:49 < kanzure> that's the brand 14:49 < hundred-ideas> are you channeling some universal laser or something? 14:49 < kanzure> yeah it's from the aether 14:49 < kanzure> wait, no 14:49 < hundred-ideas> oh haha 14:49 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/laser_cutter.jpg 14:50 < hundred-ideas> I want to get one. I was thinking about the Epi Zing 14:50 < genehacker> did you figure out how to cut that fluidic amplifier kanzure? 14:50 < hundred-ideas> Is the ULC better? 14:50 < Ian_Dani1er> the h+ meetup is at sprout? win! 14:50 * Ian_Dani1er waves 14:51 < Ian_Dani1er> btw, I'm a Boston-area maker & college student, doing interesting startup & hardware hacking work 14:51 < bkero> Howdy bosonite. 14:51 < bkero> bostonite 14:51 < bkero> Or is it a Bosonian? 14:51 < kanzure> genehacker: yes 14:51 < hundred-ideas> awesome, Ian_Dani1er, I'm local to davis sq. I'm working on a diybio meeting for the 23 of june, but I want to meetup sooner than that 14:51 < hundred-ideas> you free to come to the h+beer meetup on Sat night? 14:52 < Ian_Dani1er> yep 14:52 < Ian_Dani1er> I'll be there 14:52 < Ian_Dani1er> hundred-ideas: I hung out at sprout when I was staying in cambridge a few weeks ago, waiting for Olin to re-open for summer session. 14:52 < kanzure> oh you're at olin. my grandma wanted me to go there (so i didn't) 14:53 < Ian_Dani1er> hundred-ideas: really slick space. None of the DIY-Bioers were around concurrently, though :( 14:53 < Ian_Dani1er> kanzure: bad excuse. :P 14:53 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:54 < Ian_Dani1er> hundred-ideas: I'm more of a DIY-chem person, with a strong interest in biohacking 14:54 < bkero> Fancy Boston schools 14:54 < Ian_Dani1er> aka interested in half-past everything 14:54 < Ian_Dani1er> kanzure: where did you wind up? 14:54 < hundred-ideas> I wish I had known about olin when I was applying to schools. Awesome place. 14:54 < hundred-ideas> I want to know more about microchemistry 14:54 < Ian_Dani1er> bkero: meh, Olin is a fancy [almost-free] Needham school 14:54 < Ian_Dani1er> not quite the same thing ;) 14:55 < Ian_Dani1er> hundred-ideas: Where're you learning? 14:55 < bkero> Ian_Dani1er: It's fancy compared to our west coast state colleges. :P 14:56 < hundred-ideas> Ian_Dani1er: I'm done already. Studied w/ Malcolm Campbell at Davidson college. 14:56 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: can you update http://diybio.org/hplusbeer/ 14:57 < hundred-ideas> yes I sure can 14:57 < hundred-ideas> I have to run to a meeting now but I will later tonight 14:57 < kanzure> kk 14:58 < Ian_Dani1er> hundred-ideas: fair enough, though from the sounds of ti, you're anything but done learning :P 14:58 < hundred-ideas> ha ha yeah sometimes I wonder why I spent time and money going to college 14:58 < hundred-ideas> gtg 14:58 < hundred-ideas> see ya guys 14:58 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-50-64.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: hundred-ideas] 14:58 < kanzure> someone needs to learn 'screen' 14:58 < Ian_Dani1er> hundred-ideas: go run to the meeting, but I'll def. try and make the next DIYBio meetup 14:59 < Ian_Dani1er> 'screen -xa' = win. 15:00 < bkero> screen -DRU 15:00 < Ian_Dani1er> running irssi on my arch-linux server, displaying on my second monitor on my windows machine and my laptop simultaneously 15:02 < bkero> I'm running ZNC on my colocated server and attached with irssi from another server, a notification program on my laptop, and my cell phone. All with native IRC clients. 15:03 < ferric> znc++ 15:03 < Ian_Dani1er> znc? 15:04 < Ian_Dani1er> ah, just a IRC bouncer 15:04 < Ian_Dani1er> neat 15:04 < Ian_Dani1er> I'll have to check it out. 15:06 < bkero> It's pretty good. Linode is just shit though, I"ve had it go down three times in the last few months. 15:06 < bkero> Since all my communication is done over it, that kind of downtime is unacceptable. 15:07 < kanzure> Ian_Dani1er: two monitors? pussy. here's jrayhawk: http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/notstevebutjoe/IMG_0872.thumbnail.JPG 15:08 < kanzure> jrayhawk: where's that file on your server, anyway? 15:08 < kanzure> well, i guess i mean IMG_0872.JPG 15:08 < kanzure> since heybryan.org is slower than 15:08 < Ian_Dani1er> http://heybryan.org/shots/inspiration/notstevebutjoe/IMG_0872.thumbnail.JPG 15:08 < kanzure> hm? 15:08 < Ian_Dani1er> bah, -1 to PUTTY 15:09 < kanzure> windows? :( 15:09 < Ian_Dani1er> it treats right click as paste on windows. 15:09 < Ian_Dani1er> How else am I going to use my fancy solidworks? 15:10 < kanzure> by routing the dll files through python and randomly guessing at the API parameters? 15:10 < kanzure> http://heybryan.org/~bbishop/docs/solidworks.py 15:10 < kanzure> :) kidding 15:10 < kanzure> don't do that 15:10 < kanzure> unless you're insane 15:11 < Ian_Dani1er> ahaha, that's wonderful. 15:11 < Ian_Dani1er> I've been meaning to learn openscad 15:11 < kanzure> i'm hiring out someone to write python wrappers to OpenCSG 15:11 < kanzure> openscad depends on CGAL, which has some funky license restrictions 15:11 < Ian_Dani1er> it appeals to my programmer / FOSS ethos 15:11 < kanzure> anyway, for whoever ends up writing the python OpenCSG wrappers, 15:11 < kanzure> i'm going to also have them do a STEP export feature 15:11 < kanzure> no more of these stupid meshes 15:12 < kanzure> the more people bug me to do this, the faster it will get done 15:12 < kanzure> i can't wait until i can do openscad-stuff via python 15:12 < Ian_Dani1er> Double points for bugging you about it in person? 15:13 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:13 < Ian_Dani1er> kanzure: yeah, python is my language of choice as well. it'd be awesome. 15:15 < Ian_Dani1er> 3d python objects... need a new datatype? 15:16 * bkero might know some python programmers for hire. Good ones. 15:25 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-50-64.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:25 < hundred-ideas> back actually 15:29 < kanzure> Ian_Dani1er: yes, double points :) 15:29 < kanzure> bkero: send 'em over 15:30 < kanzure> paul was actually thinking of doing it 15:30 < kanzure> i've been offering about $1k to just get it done for me 15:30 < kanzure> for some reason i haven't done it 15:30 < bkero> kanzure: I'll let them know :) 15:31 < kanzure> and the penalty for not doing it on time (for me) is to spend money to have it happen 15:31 < kanzure> presumably spending money makes me feel bad 15:31 < kanzure> so maybe i'll learn my lesson? 15:31 < QuantumG> kanzure, did ya see http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=10/06/08/1746225 15:31 < kanzure> huh 15:33 < kanzure> "does this mean the ladies need to turn in their cotton?" i <3 slashdot 15:33 < QuantumG> yes, "love" 15:34 < kanzure> no no, just less than3 15:34 < kanzure> not love 15:34 < QuantumG> DIY oil cleanup.. get on that 15:34 < kanzure> actually, i might be getting some funds from some canadian oil companies 15:34 < QuantumG> you can utilize the out-of-work fishermen labor 15:34 < kanzure> http://www.slideshare.net/humanityplus/hessel 15:34 < QuantumG> and sell all the oil you pull out of the bay 15:35 < QuantumG> hmm.. I just saw a tweet with a location tag 15:36 < kanzure> okay, time to close up the shop before AHS goons get here 15:37 < hundred-ideas> ahs? 15:37 < genehacker> Austin Hacker Space 15:37 < hundred-ideas> goons 15:37 < hundred-ideas> nice. 15:37 < hundred-ideas> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/930368578/openpcr-open-source-biotech-on-your-desktop 15:37 < hundred-ideas> what OHL should they use? 15:38 < Ian_Dani1er> stands for "Arts, Humanities, and Social Science" at Olin 15:38 < Ian_Dani1er> I was confused. 15:38 < QuantumG> so, nothing worthwhile 15:38 < kanzure> hundred-ideas: i think that's josh perfetto 15:38 < hundred-ideas> the ol' "open source" hardware license question 15:38 < hundred-ideas> yeah I know 15:38 < hundred-ideas> I saw them both at makerfaire 15:38 < hundred-ideas> it exists. 15:39 < kanzure> so it looks like i will be bringing some mini/microfluidics demos after all 15:39 < kanzure> any requests? 15:43 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:44 < QuantumG> bioengineering on a chip 15:44 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Client Quit] 15:45 < hundred-ideas> COOL 15:45 < hundred-ideas> WHAT'S THE DEMO? 15:45 < hundred-ideas> oh man caps lock win 15:45 < Ian_Dani1er> kanzure: do we have PCR minifluidics DIY'ed yet? 15:46 < Ian_Dani1er> it looks like the maker-faire PCR box thermocycled a large reaction chamber 15:46 < hundred-ideas> hey kanzure: I want to suggest a licensing framework for the openPCR guys in a blog post, do you have any updates on what the best practice is? 15:46 < Ian_Dani1er> rather than taking a more efficient approach of pumping reactant through a series of hot-and-cold areas 15:52 * Trooem is eating sashimi/sushi. But would rather prefer fresh fish from the oceans caught from a mega-yacht. 15:53 * bkero prefers ocean fish. 15:53 < bkero> Less dye in them. 15:55 < Trooem> didn't know that... 15:56 < bkero> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Painted_fish 16:01 -!- hundred-ideas_ [~100ideas@209-6-50-64.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:01 < hundred-ideas_> kanzure: http://diybio.org/hplusbeer/ 16:01 -!- hundred-ideas_ [~100ideas@209-6-50-64.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Client Quit] 16:01 -!- hundred-ideas [~100ideas@209-6-50-64.c3-0.smr-ubr1.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:02 < genehacker> you need some demos kanzure? 16:03 < genehacker> how about I send you the files for the fluidic amplifier thing 16:03 < Trooem> i wonder if you can use dye to differentiate cells in the body, different types of it, and see in through computer... 16:04 < genehacker> you mean use fluorescent proteins to see which genes are active in cells 16:04 < genehacker> they already do that 16:05 < QuantumG> but not on that scale 16:07 < kanzure> back 16:08 < kanzure> somehow i don't think mac's cap lock error above was an error 16:08 < kanzure> it sounded just like him :P 16:10 < Trooem> genehacker, i didn't know that. saw some documentery w/ cells unnaturally colored.. 16:13 -!- splicer [~foo@h68n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [] 16:13 < genehacker> you're on a mac kanzure? 16:13 < genehacker> for iphone dev? 16:13 < kanzure> no 16:13 < kanzure> i am not on a mac 16:13 < genehacker> one doesn't need a mac for iphone dev anymore? 16:15 < QuantumG> psychologically? 16:29 -!- Roy78 [~Tiger@ip68-11-187-208.br.br.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:32 < genehacker> sent you the fluidic amplifer kanzure 16:32 -!- Trooem [~fsdffasdf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 16:35 < QuantumG> flabenhausen 16:38 < QuantumG> .. and other Dr Fink words 16:39 < genehacker> flabenhausen? 16:40 < genehacker> hmmm... I wonder if I could take advantage of the snooty audiophile market with fluidic sound amplification 16:41 < genehacker> USES NO ELECTRICITY TO AMPLIFY SOUND! MAKES MUSIC MORE NATURAL SOUNDING! 16:49 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:57 < kanzure> hey what's the typical admin panel url for wordpress blogs 16:58 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:58 < kanzure> klafka: are you in boston? 16:58 < kanzure> wait, rochester 16:59 < kanzure> aha i think it's /wp-admin/ 17:00 < QuantumG> yeah 17:00 < klafka> rochester 17:28 < kanzure> i spent a few hours today helping elevenarms build this: 17:28 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/toolstache.jpg 17:29 < drazak> w-t-f 17:39 < bkero> Nice toolstache 17:39 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:39 * Utopiah agrees, w-t-f 17:40 < kanzure> bkero gets it :) 17:40 < bkero> Does he keep the stache in his pocket? 17:41 < Utopiah> asks the officer 17:42 < kanzure> no he keeps it on his face 17:42 < kanzure> where it belongs? 17:42 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:42 < kanzure> hi JayDugger 17:42 < kanzure> i spent a few hours today helping elevenarms build this: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/toolstache.jpg 17:42 < ybit> i'll be @ the diy videoconf 17:42 < ybit> too lazy to send an email 17:43 < kanzure> you mean the weekly thing 17:43 < ybit> yup 17:43 < kanzure> cool, great 17:43 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone 17:44 < Utopiah> anybody using http://mind.mx/ by Mark Carranza? 17:44 < kanzure> so that's you, me, meredith, len, mac, ian, derek, at the very least 17:44 < ybit> ya know...i proposed something like this to some fo the diybio folks here... an international diybio conference via second life 17:45 < ybit> but i like the weekly meeting idea better... it's just like what the fab academy does without neil dictating the meetings 17:45 < kanzure> heh 17:45 < kanzure> instead, it's bryan dictating! 17:45 < ybit> haha 17:45 < kanzure> SILENCE! 17:45 < kanzure> THERE WILL BE NO LAUGHTER 17:45 < JayDugger> What does mind.mx do? 17:45 < kanzure> *maniacal laughter* ok, maybe some 17:45 < JayDugger> Bwa-ha-ha-ha! 17:45 < kanzure> my maniacal laughter is the best ever 17:45 < kanzure> you can't beat it 17:45 < kanzure> it's because it comes from deep within the soul 17:46 < kanzure> (or the belly) 17:47 < Utopiah> JayDugger: I dont know yet, it's supposed to be some "personnal memory management" system 17:47 < JayDugger> Have you asked for an invite, Utopiah? 17:47 < ybit> i actually attended one of the fab lab academy meetings via teleconference a couple of months back, they aren't doing anything hackerspaces aren't 17:48 < ybit> it was basic electronics questions 17:48 < kanzure> oh look, ybit is around for once 17:48 < kanzure> how are you? 17:48 < ybit> ello 17:48 < Utopiah> JayDugger: yes :/ he (mark) is a bit sick for now so he wont manage this for a week. Ill ask him again then but I was still curious to know if others tried it 17:48 < ybit> kanzure: i'm grrreat! 17:48 < Utopiah> (makes me think I need to tell him about FluidDB.info ) 17:49 < ybit> the eleventh hackerspace meeting just finished here 17:49 < Utopiah> and 1 hacker space died in paris tonight :\ 17:49 < ybit> orly? what happened? 17:50 < Utopiah> was in a squat and the eviction process (finally) got applied, closing on Monday 17:50 < ybit> oh 17:50 < JayDugger> Do you mean fluidinfo.com, Utopiah? 17:50 < ybit> i thought that maybe it burned down or even better, blew up 17:50 < Utopiah> JayDugger: correct 17:51 < ybit> no burning after booms, just one big kaboom :) 18:02 < ybit> is there anyway to make the meetings not be dictacted? 18:02 < fenn> prefetto is wrong about the incandescent thermocycler ramp times 18:05 -!- Trooem [~fsdffasdf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:06 < ybit> hrm 18:06 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06 < ybit> http://www.ted.com/talks/adam_sadowsky_engineers_a_viral_music_video.html 18:06 < kanzure> fenn: dave suggests microgrants in increasing increments 18:06 < kanzure> $50, $100, $200, $400, .. etc. 18:06 < ybit> that guy sat beside you kanzure 18:06 < ybit> just in case you forgot ;) 18:06 < kanzure> adam? 18:07 < kanzure> i thought he called himself atom 18:10 -!- Trooem is now known as Jericho 18:13 * Jericho finds ridiculous he has gtx 480 vid card, 16 cores of 2.3 ghz amd and the result: he can't use it because of a faulty mobo... 18:13 < Jericho> need to RMA... 18:14 * Jericho also finds it to be incredible waste of money for his uses. 18:18 < drazak> lol 18:22 < genehacker> well can you atleast simulate cellular automata on it? 18:24 < Jericho> i don't even know whaat that is. 18:24 < Jericho> should've got a core i7 and OC it for gaming. 18:24 < Jericho> i'm using a laptop. sigh....... 18:25 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:26 < genehacker> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_automaton 18:26 < genehacker> Jericho I assume you must be new here 18:26 < genehacker> a cellular automaton would basically be something that might run awesomely on a multicore computer 18:27 < genehacker> oh you're trooem 18:27 < genehacker> oops 18:28 < QuantumG> one of the many reasons to dislike him 19:02 < Jericho> don't hate me. lol. 19:03 < Jericho> enjoy...... http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/wsshimtw/1503 19:10 -!- Jericho is now known as Trooem 19:11 < kanzure> hm, openscad depends on OpenCSG but only for rendering? 19:20 < JayDugger> This brings me closer to a zero exit status for "sudo skdb make-me nuclear-pulse-rocket" how? 19:21 < JayDugger> Thought so. Get back to work! 19:22 < kanzure> by getting people to type out parametric definitions of models in python, that are then converted to STEP models 19:24 -!- drazak [~kaerzkd@ip-69-162-134-185.static.chi2.systeminplace.net] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:26 < lepton> It's a worthy endeavour 19:26 < JayDugger> You lost me at STEP models, kanzure. 19:28 < kanzure> fenn: please check your inbox for paul's email. 19:28 < kanzure> he doesn't understand the difference between meshes and solid geometry, it seems 19:28 < kanzure> and thinks i should be labor slaving for makerbot users? wtf 19:29 < kanzure> JayDugger: STEP is a standard for representing solid geometry CAD models 19:29 < JayDugger> Thanks, kanzure. 19:30 < kanzure> right now makerbot users are fine with meshes, because that's what the software interprets 19:30 < kanzure> so it just "works" for them 19:30 < kanzure> but meshes are not parametric 19:30 < kanzure> it's like.. distributing a binary executable file instead of the source code 19:30 < JayDugger> Can you derive a mesh from a parametric model? 19:30 < QuantumG> yep 19:30 < kanzure> absolutely! 19:30 < QuantumG> doing the opposite is the hard thing :) 19:31 < kanzure> what's really cool is that if you define some parts in STEP, you can go open it up in solidworks, heekscad, or whatever else you want 19:31 < kanzure> and then manipulate the fundamental objects and stuff 19:31 < JayDugger> The OpenSCAD page mentioned STEP, but lacked links to it. 19:31 < kanzure> and the idea of openscad, or some csg/python framework, is that you could do this with python scripts 19:31 < kanzure> openscad only generates meshes 19:32 < kanzure> it's built on top of OpenCSG (for rendering) and CGAL (for the CSG in the background) 19:32 < kanzure> but CGAL is not quite OSI-compatible 19:32 < JayDugger> Right. It went over to heekscad, and others. 19:32 < JayDugger> CGAL names a library for CSG? 19:32 < kanzure> yes 19:32 < kanzure> http://www.cgal.org/ 19:32 < kanzure> "Computational Geometry Algorithms Library" 19:33 < kanzure> http://opencsg.org/ is for *rendering* (via OpenGL IIRC?) 19:33 < JayDugger> Got it. Thank you. 19:34 < kanzure> me asking about writing openscad extensions: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/cd605a9f620ee07f/415f7a82cb4ec486 19:34 < kanzure> me asking about STEP/IGES export options for OpenSCAD: http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/6938d4b4c3960c56/cdd30b4d2903d7a1 19:34 < kanzure> draft of a look and feel for a pythonic API for CSG 19:34 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing/browse_frm/thread/df899cf6a8dd91c1/7e3d1a4b4ec53d43 19:34 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/csg.py 19:34 < kanzure> now, the pythonocc guys will claim they have one in the works as well.. in the file, uh, Level2.py i think 19:34 < kanzure> but it's never really got me interested 19:36 < kanzure> cool, a pythonocc presentation to NASA: http://www.slideshare.net/tpaviot/pythonocc-pde2009-presentation 19:38 < lepton> hey. that is cool! 19:39 < kanzure> i'm hesitant to write any more code that depends on OCC 19:39 < lepton> re: level2.py, are you referring to the PAF in general, or something more specific? 19:39 < kanzure> OCC should be rewritten entirely 19:39 < kanzure> there's a specific example file 19:40 < kanzure> aha, Level2API.py 19:40 < kanzure> http://www.designfiles.org/lab/opencascade/Level2API.py 19:40 < kanzure> but it didn't feel very pythonic to me :P 19:40 < kanzure> fenn and i did a better job IMHO with geom.py for some of our earlier SKDB work 19:40 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/skdb/geom/geom.py 19:41 < kanzure> although Level2API.py is pretty thorough 19:42 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 19:42 < kanzure> night JayDugger 19:42 < JayDugger> Thanks for the documented discussion, kanzure. 19:42 < kanzure> hm? 19:42 < JayDugger> The links? 19:42 < kanzure> aha. no problem 19:42 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:43 -!- lepton [~lepton@174-29-109-147.hlrn.qwest.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:44 < kanzure> haha i like the comments in Level2API.py 19:44 < kanzure> #=============================================================================== 19:44 < kanzure> # Curve.topology 19:44 < kanzure> # Follows the CGAL Polyhedron API 19:44 < kanzure> # Mimicking a halfedge topology 19:44 < kanzure> # See: http://www.cgal.org/Manual/3.4/doc_html/cgal_manual/HalfedgeDS/Chapter_main.html 19:45 < kanzure> #=============================================================================== 19:45 -!- lepton [~lepton@174-29-50-85.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:45 < kanzure> hi lepton 19:46 < kanzure> it turns out Level2API.py was written and based off of CGAL (search for "CGAL" in Level2API.py for a good laugh) 19:50 < lepton> So the issue with CGAL is it's license? 19:50 < kanzure> yep 19:51 < lepton> That's unfortunate 19:51 < kanzure> did you see the toolstache? http://designfiles.org/~bryan/images/toolstache.jpg 19:51 < kanzure> we laz0red that out today 19:52 < lepton> Yeah, both here and on #emc :p 19:52 < kanzure> hmm looks like we have a mole :P 19:53 < lepton> gee, CGAL's n dimensional geometry kernel is pretty neat 19:54 < kanzure> i like the inconspicuous industrial arm in the background in toolstache.jpg 19:54 < kanzure> "just ignore that, citizen" 19:55 < lepton> I want a laser cutter 19:55 < kanzure> come to austin :) 19:55 < lepton> it's next up on my list of three awesome tools to have 19:55 < QuantumG> you can't cut a laser silly boy 19:56 < lepton> Yes I can, with a partial mirror 19:56 < kanzure> ooh 19:56 < kanzure> you were just burned 19:56 < lepton> or lots of gravity 19:56 < kanzure> laz0r burned 19:56 * kanzure puts himself in the corner for a terrible pun 19:56 * lepton puts on laser glasses 19:57 < bkero> !fire kanzure 19:57 < kanzure> you can't fire me! i built this company up from nothing! 19:58 < kanzure> back when fenn only had beans and rice to eat every day 19:58 < bkero> Fenn still only has beans and rice. 19:58 < gnusha> how's that any different from today 19:58 < kanzure> ha 19:58 < bkero> And this company is a shell company. 19:58 < bkero> It has no real assets. Especially you. 20:01 * lepton is leaving for dinner 20:01 < Trooem> beans, rice, and i fish sometimes. 20:01 < Trooem> anyone ever go hunting? 20:01 < Trooem> game meat. mmmmmmm...... 20:02 < Trooem> kanzure: hire me as a janitor. 20:08 < Trooem> in your company. 20:58 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:08 -!- kive [~kive@unaffiliated/kive] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:37 < bkero> kanzure: could I get you to write up a little bit more of a formal proposal to give to my programmer friend? 21:47 < Trooem> http://kr.blog.yahoo.com/funnyblog/1281959 21:47 < Trooem> poor keanu reeves. 21:51 < QuantumG> "Hey Keanu, there's a woodpecker peckin' at your head." "Yeah, it comes and goes." 21:56 < Trooem> did ya translate or are you korean> 21:56 < QuantumG> neither, its from Family Guy 21:57 < Trooem> ow 22:03 < Trooem> http://kr.news.yahoo.com/service/news/shellview.htm?linkid=4&articleid=20100609083300166i6&newssetid=1352 22:03 < Trooem> giant transformers made outta truck parts. 22:43 -!- Trooem [~fsdffasdf@S01060016b6ee2b72.vf.shawcable.net] has quit [] 22:50 -!- parolang [~user@8e4a01246100775874c4f448e9887093.oregonrd-wifi-1261.amplex.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:10 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.45] has joined #hplusroadmap