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01:12 < fenn> ybit: it's the usbtinyisp, see http://ladyada.net/make/usbtinyisp/ and http://fennetic.net/irc/usbtinyisp.tgz for my mods to make it easier to etch single sided
01:12 < fenn> an avr programmer
01:12 < fenn> automatic subtitling is pretty cool
01:12 < fenn> all knowing AI overlords from the future are already upon us
01:14 < fenn> i wish people would learn how to draw gears
01:54 < splicer> There was a project a few years back where an animated(as in 3d, Poser) newscaster would report news that were automatically aggregated from the web, while showing stills and video of the incident.
01:59 < phryk> splicer: do you know the projects name?
02:01 < splicer> I don't remember, this was maybe 5 years ago.
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05:09 < kanzure> phryk: the name of this project was.. "kanzure"
05:12 < marainein> and it's succeeded beyond their wildest dreams?
05:24 < splicer> ...and the lifeboat people were right. It's destroying the world one post at a time.
05:26 < splicer> a bit like the spoon guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VDvgL58h_Y
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05:39 < kanzure> hot steamin' pancakes, batman! "diybo" embroidered labcoats? http://www.ezbiodiesel.com/Lab%20coat%20embroidered%20new%20logo%20lg%20view.jpg
05:45 < kanzure> http://tinker.it/
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05:48 < kanzure> hi cluckj 
05:48 < cluckj> hey
05:59 < cluckj> mind if I idle in here? I have to go to work :)
05:59 < kanzure> go right ahead :)
05:59 < cluckj> awesome
06:02 < cluckj> I didn't know y'all hung out on irc or I would have been here ages ago :P
06:05 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/irclogs.txt (20 MB or so)
06:05 < cluckj> haha, holy crap
06:05 < kanzure> we even mentioned you / stalked you!
06:05 < kanzure> wee
06:05 < cluckj> thanks
06:05 < Utopiah> if you wait 2min Ill bzip2 it
06:05 < cluckj> hahahaha
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06:08 < cluckj> I hope you didn't find the goat porn I was in D:
06:11 < cluckj> worktime, ttyl
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06:35 < phryk> kanzure: So basically, you're Skynet with a biology-fetish? :3
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07:30 < kive> Didn't skynet have a biology-fetish already? It was quite the sadist. ;)
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07:55 < Yocttar> any1 ever done this? http://www.molecular-plant-biotechnology.info/synthesis-of-DNA-by-chemical-methods/chemical-DNA-synthesis-by-phosphoromidite-method.htm 
08:02 < kanzure> i haven't done it, but yes i'm aware of it
08:02 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/papers/The%20mechanism%20of%20the%20phosphoramidite%20synthesis%20of%20polynucleotides.pdf
08:03 < kanzure> also, check this out: http://designfiles.org/papers/Syringe%20method%20for%20stepwise%20chemical%20synthesis%20of%20oligonucleotides.pdf
08:07 < Yocttar> as I've seen so far, its very slow process... :(
08:07 < Yocttar> a very*
08:10 < kanzure> yes
08:11 < Yocttar> damn, I was hoping for a good DNA RepRap
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08:53 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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09:03 < Yocttar> heya :)
09:03 < lepton> Howdy
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09:56 < kanzure> ladyada.com seems to have assembly dependencies written out for each of the projects
09:56 < kanzure> http://www.ladyada.net/make/boarduino/prep.html
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11:17 < kanzure> i'm putting on the finishing touches of the presentation for this weekend
11:17 < kanzure> does anyone have any requests for inclusions?
11:17 < kanzure> or suggestions
11:19 < cluckj> want me to take a look?
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11:21 < kanzure> cluckj: there's just pictures and a word or two per slide :)
11:21 < kanzure> (intentionally)
11:21 < kanzure> cluckj: have you seen the other presentations though?
11:21 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/presentations/hplus-summit-2009/hplus-summit-2009-how-to-make.pdf
11:21 < cluckj> nope
11:24 < cluckj> damn that's a lot of slides :)
11:24 < kanzure> it fit under 20min
11:25 < cluckj> wow
11:28 < cluckj> nice
11:29 < kanzure> this time around the presentation is about diy transhuman tech, so i'm going to go over diybio, cheap-ass microfluidics, openeeg, open source hardware kits, open source tech / licensing issues / the elephant in the room (patent law), hackerspaces
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11:35 < cluckj> I look forward to seeing it :D
11:36 < kanzure> ah you'll be present?
11:36 < cluckj> yep
11:38 < cluckj> one of my friends who's doing his dissertation work on transhumanism convinced me to go
11:39 < kanzure> there's also an after-party: http://diybio.org/hplusbeer/
11:39 < cluckj> admittedly, it wasn't very hard since I'm a huge dork...
11:39 < kanzure> you should have held your ground, he might've paid for your ticket if he was adamant enough
11:40 < cluckj> haha
11:40 < cluckj> he was able to get travel funding from his university
11:40 < cluckj> so I'm crashing his hotel room, and driving him out to boston
11:41 < cluckj> oh wow, sprout is going to be packed...
11:41 < kanzure> i'm estimating about 40 people from the conference, plus whoever else is in the boston area
11:42 < cluckj> do you know how many people are attending the conference?
11:42 < kanzure> about 400
11:42 < cluckj> that's pretty good
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11:46 < kanzure> hm i might have to stop using fists in my first few slides or else i'll start sounding like a weird cross between marx and stallman
11:47 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/presentations/diy-transhuman-tech.sneak-peak.pdf
11:47 < cluckj> what's wrong with that?
11:48 < kanzure> cluckj: i obsess over my presentations to a ridiculous extent
11:48 < kanzure> that first slide has gone through so many revisions.. a lot of them were positional changes
11:49 < cluckj> hehe
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11:49 < cluckj> there's a much higher-res version of that diy bio image on mac's flickr
11:50 < kanzure> yeah i have it
11:50 < cluckj> ah, ok
11:50 < hundred-ideas> yeah I should post those design files
11:50 < hundred-ideas> but gotta run right now
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11:51 < cluckj> heh
11:51 < kanzure> the context is that hundred-ideas is mac
11:51 < cluckj> yes
11:53 < cluckj> I have a feeling he's pissed at me for something, but I dunno
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12:17 < genehacker> neat the IKAROS solar sail is fully deployed
12:17 < genehacker> http://www.isas.jaxa.jp/home/IKAROS-blog/
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12:30 < cluckj> hehe, an h+ experiment
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13:29 < fenn> random data mining http://www.flickr.com/photos/walkingsf/4671581511/in/set-72157624209158632/
13:32 < kanzure> fenn: any last minute suggestions for my tak
13:32 < kanzure> talk
13:38 < fenn> i don't even know what you're talking about.. hopefully you do
13:38 < kanzure> "diy transhuman tech"
13:39 < fenn> russian gasoline powered pogo boots
13:39 < kanzure> i'll be giving the typical transhumanism/diybio spiell, and at the end i'll talk about patents, licenses, OSI
13:39 < kanzure> i'd like to get in a slide or two about longevity, stem cell therapy, gene therapy, and one about kits (backyard brains, reprap, stuff like that)
13:39 < kanzure> but i don't know what exactly to feature for, say, gene therapy
13:40 < fenn> myostatin inhbitors?
13:40 < kanzure> ooh
13:40 < kanzure> gee something i actually know about
13:40 < fenn> i guess you could poke at trans-tech.yaml
13:41 < kanzure> i don't know why i didn't think of myostatin stuff.. thank you
13:41 < kanzure> i'm going to claim stress
13:42 < fenn> what is 'nanowell virus capture'?
13:43 < kanzure> antibody attached to streptavidin at the bottom of a very tiny well
13:43 < kanzure> antibody catches viruses
13:43 < kanzure> and then you have this functional probe tip thingy with a virus at an exact known location
13:43 < kanzure> also, a slide on microfluidics / lab on a chip
13:44 < kanzure> jeswin john's camera photo :) and my recent stuff on the laz0r cutter
13:44 < fenn> lot of interesting stuff on this page http://www.knowledgepress.com/viewpublication.php?event_id=126&act=fea
13:45 < kanzure> ok. myostatin inhibitors, microfluidics, openeeg?
13:45 < kanzure> i've aways felt kind of lame bringing up openeeg all the time
13:46 < fenn> have you ever had an eeg scan?
13:46 < kanzure> yeah, but it was a long time ago
13:47 < kanzure> they did the whole thing- various "mental exercises" while attached, a 6 hour sleep study, ..
13:47 < kanzure> "we've determined that bryan is hyperactive" was the concusion
13:47 < kanzure> *conclusion
13:47 < fenn> did you get to see the results in real time?
13:47 < kanzure> sort of? this was in the 90s, and they were spitting out results with this pen plotter thingy
13:48 < fenn> ok that doesn't count then
13:48 < fenn> you have to do an FFT
13:48 < kanzure> what are you getting at, anyway?
13:48 < kanzure> i mean, where is this inquisition heading
13:48 < fenn> well, eeg all just sounds like a bunch of crap until you actually do it
13:48 < kanzure> no no that's not what i'm talking about
13:48 < fenn> and you "see your thoughts up there on the screen"
13:48 < kanzure> just, always talking about openeeg, but haven't actually used an implementation of it
13:49 < fenn> well, maybe you should do something about that
13:49 < kanzure> yeah :/
13:49 < kanzure> i was wondering if meetlog.txt is sufficiently transhumanist to warrant mentioning
13:49 < cluckj> like binaural beats?
13:50 < fenn> i dont really see what the point of binaural beats is
13:50 < cluckj> it's trippy as hell
13:50 < fenn> if you say so
13:50 < cluckj> hehe
13:52  * kanzure wonders where he put all his myostatin papers
13:52 < kanzure> oh right. aso "gene doping" would be particularly fun to bring up :)
13:52 < kanzure> none of the other presenters are talking about it, which is pretty weird
13:52 < fenn> it's sort of a buzzword
13:52 < kanzure> gene doping has been banned for the past few years at major sporting conferences
13:52 < kanzure> not as much as you think.. it's going on
13:53 < fenn> i guess that doesn't stop people from talking about something
13:53 < cluckj> how about epigenetic doping :)
13:53  * kanzure spins the #hplusroadmap topic wheel
13:53 < kanzure> maybe i should just look at the tag cloud?
13:54 < cluckj> yep, I'm just throwing shit out there
13:54 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tags.html
13:54 < kanzure> cluckj: no, i seriously do have a tag cloud
13:54 < fenn> um, did you look at trans-tech.yaml?
13:54 < cluckj> LOL
13:54 < kanzure> yeah i have it open
13:54 < kanzure> cluckj: that tag cloud was generated from http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/meetlog.txt
13:54 < cluckj> hurricane party, eh
13:54 < kanzure> iphone app.. but it went downhill when the cofounders got funding
13:54 < fenn> are these ordered chronologically by first mention?
13:54 < cluckj> ah
13:55 < kanzure> fenn: "these"=?
13:55 < fenn> tags
13:55 < fenn> hm no that can't be it
13:56 < kanzure> i might have passed it through random.randrange
13:56 < fenn> turtle trading?
13:56 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/meetlog/tag_extractor.py
13:56 < kanzure> yeah, i wrote this tiny stock market trading simulator thingy
13:56 < kanzure> to test out different strategies
13:57 < kanzure> (here's a hint: you lose a fuckload on IBM in the 80s)
13:57 < kanzure> (date not exact)
13:57 < genehacker> so who here knows weird electrical connectors
13:58 < kanzure> weird electrical connectors? my life is full of them
13:58 < kanzure> welcome to the world of 73 pin robotic arm connectors
13:58 < fenn> you could do a tag cloud with your google searches
13:58 < kanzure> but that's just going to be a list of girls i like a lot
13:58 < fenn> rofl
13:59 < fenn> not like you would already know or anything~
13:59 < genehacker> how about a 50 pin electrical connector that costs $70 from the manufactur
14:00 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: Yo, is the H+Beer starting at 12pm or 6pm?
14:00 < genehacker> http://imgur.com/n2l2y
14:00 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: 6pm
14:00 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: why do you ask?
14:00 < kanzure> was it 12pm somewhere?
14:00 < genehacker> taken with a laptop camera, so not exactly high quality
14:00 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: yeah, on the diy-bio website
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14:00 < kanzure> fuckk
14:00 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: thanks
14:00 < fenn> dude that's just a regular IDC connector; find an old IDE drive or scsi cable or something
14:01 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: wait, no
14:01 < kanzure> Ian_Daniher: take a look again
14:01 < kanzure> "Sat June 12 - 6pm at Sprout (map)."
14:01 < genehacker> that's what I've been trying to do so far fenn
14:01 < kanzure> ohh i see, you could confuse that as 12 to 6
14:01 < fenn> is it 2mm pitch?
14:01 < fenn> (if so, use a laptop extender thingy)
14:02 < genehacker> 2mm pitch?
14:02 < fenn> measure the distance between pins
14:02 < fenn> ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
14:02 < kanzure> myostatin inhibitors, extremozymes / selection experiments, microfluidics
14:02 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: bah, my bad.
14:02 < kanzure> as a bonus, i get to show this gnarly mouse
14:02 < genehacker> this is the cable from the manufacturer
14:02 < genehacker> http://sine.ni.com/nips/cds/view/p/lang/en/nid/13599
14:03 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: that makes much more sense.
14:03 < genehacker> I think I'll be doing direct control
14:04 < genehacker> yeah 2mm pitch
14:04 < genehacker> what is a laptop extender thingy?
14:10 < fenn> genehacker: just get the 1mm pitch cable and stack up 5 of them, then add these connectors http://www.king-cart.com/phoenixent/product=WIRE+%2526+CABLE+-+BULK/exact_match=exact http://www.king-cart.com/cgi-bin/cart.cgi?store=phoenixent&product_name=HWS11959
14:11 < genehacker> no need
14:11 < genehacker> scrounged some jumper cable
14:12 < genehacker> FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
14:12 < genehacker> jumper cable is broken
14:12 < fenn> broken?
14:12 < fenn> wait a minute, you actually have a 50 pin 2mm pitch cable?
14:12 < genehacker> someone cut a section out of it
14:12 < genehacker> yeah
14:12 < genehacker> I'm in the robotics club trailer
14:12 < genehacker> we have a whole bunch of junk
14:12 < fenn> ok well just disassemble one of the connectors and re-clamp it ahead of the cut out section
14:13 < genehacker> now I just need to see if I can find the other weird connector
14:13 < fenn> or find one that isn't broken, since apparently you have everything you need somewhere in a 5 meter radius
14:13 < genehacker> http://imgur.com/mL0Bq
14:13 < genehacker> recognize this?
14:14 < fenn> hard to see
14:14 < genehacker> the weird motor connector
14:15 < fenn> is it just a .156" pitch pins with some plastic crap around it?
14:15 < genehacker> yeah I think so
14:15 < genehacker> why?
14:15 < kanzure> http://www.squidoo.com/bestpresentationsever
14:15 < kanzure> http://www.presentationzen.com/
14:16 < fenn> is there some 3d model warehouse called squid-something?
14:16 < fenn> oh turbosquid. nevermind
14:16 < kanzure> presentationzen? does that mean i can just lift one hand up and everyone will know my entire talk implicitly?
14:17 < kanzure> "my talk is a koan. eat it."
14:19 < genehacker> ah it's an mstb 2.5-5.08 connector
14:22 < fenn> since sitting is implicated with early death i'm off to the store to get some ice cream 
14:22 < cluckj> hahahaha
14:22 < cluckj> kanzure then just stand there in silence for a while....
14:23 < kanzure> and wait until everyone is enlightened :)
14:23 < kanzure> i'll be able to tell by their weird facial expressions
14:23 < genehacker> make sure to keep it in an appropriate heat protective vessel ice cream is a complex substance
14:24 < kanzure> it's a class three hazard
14:24 < kanzure> who has the MSDS on ice cream?
14:24 < genehacker> some materials engineering people even eat it in front of the freezer to prevent the microstructures from breaking down
14:26 < cluckj> it's a hazard to my fat ass :(
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15:09 < fenn> hey genehacker has the robotics club done anything cool?
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15:13 < kanzure> http://ras.ece.utexas.edu/drupal/
15:13 < kanzure> i like how the payload is clearly marked PAYLOAD
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16:07 < ybit> kanzure: what are you planning on using for the teleconference?
16:08 < kanzure> sheer testosterone?
16:08 < ybit> hehe
16:08 < kanzure> oh, uh, i haven't come up with anything yet
16:08 < ybit> what service is best for more than 6 people...
16:08 < kanzure> probably a phone number
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16:15 < ybit> hackerspaces.org recommends telephreak
16:15 < ybit> http://telephreak.org/
16:15 < ybit> you can connect via telephone and voip
16:16 < ybit> i'm guessing no video thoug
16:16 < ybit> h
16:17 < genehacker> you could use one of those phone party lines phreakers use
16:17 < genehacker> they're expensive if you're not a phreaker messing with the phone system
16:17 < genehacker> so go with voip
16:24 < ybit> one of you connect to 77223@voip.telephreak.org  please
16:24 < ybit> i'm curious how it works
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16:38 < kanzure> ybit: i was thinking of doing jabber maybe
16:38 < kanzure> i wonder if anyone has a jabber-to-telephone solution yet
16:39 < kanzure> ybit: see pm
16:51 < fenn> for some reason i find this amusing http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-ZXcUurrAA&feature=related
16:52 < Utopiah> ( http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/triathlon/ "experimental approach towards cheap EEG-based brain-computer-interfaces" in Python for OCZ )
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16:54 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
16:55 < kanzure> hi JayDugger 
16:58 < ybit> hrm
16:58 < ybit> we are #1 for science on maps.google.com, too funny
16:58 < ybit> science in florence, al that is
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17:00 < genehacker> do you have large tracts of loosely populated land?
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17:01 < genehacker> if so why haven't you made any rockets?
17:02 < ybit> yes and i put together a toy rocket once :)
17:02 < genehacker> that's not a rocket
17:02 < genehacker> unless it went supersonic, which small rockets are quite capable of doing
17:02 < ybit> but it does go boom and fly upwards..
17:06 < genehacker> speaking of supersonic, I wonder if any estes rockets can go supersonic
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18:32 < kanzure> does anyone remember the name of the paper where they did gfp chimps?
18:39 < kanzure> got it. it was the marmoset papers
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19:12 < kanzure> hi wolfspraul, Roy78, Alystair
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19:16 < kanzure> heh there's this waiver of liability sitting next to me for the austin hackerspace
19:17 < kanzure> there's this whole clause specifically dedicated to biohacking / "harmful organisms"
19:19 < cluckj> :)
19:19 < jrayhawk> "any liability incurred as a result of the death of the human race..."
19:21 < genehacker> so is a virus considered an organism?
19:21 < cluckj> who wrote the waiver?
19:21 < cluckj> if you don't mind me asking
19:21 < genehacker> you should probably include viruses, because they're in a grey area
19:24 < genehacker> and they are very dangerous
19:25 < cluckj> hehe, they're only dangerous when they get into an organism, so wouldn't that be covered under dangerous organisms?
19:25 < cluckj> like the organism becomes dangerous when it gets infected
19:27 < genehacker> they're dangerous even when they're not in an organism
19:27 < genehacker> because another organism could encounter it
19:28 < cluckj> and carry it around?
19:28 < genehacker> or get infected
19:29 < cluckj> they're dangerous to only organisms that they can infect
19:29 < QuantumG> http://www.ffffunny.com/images/8043-hey-baby-let-s-orbit-
19:30 < cluckj> haha
19:32 < genehacker> that website looks suspicious
19:32 < genehacker> won't let me download the photo without putting some suspicious stuff on my computer
19:33 < QuantumG> ya
19:33 < QuantumG> annoys me
19:35 < kanzure> cluckj: are you going to be on the diy telecon next week? :)
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19:38 < kanzure> next to the liability waivers is a huge stack of make magazine volume 20 O_o
19:38 < cluckj> it's an oblig. pbf comic
19:38 < cluckj> kanzure dunno, what time? 10 EST?
19:38 < kanzure> cluckj: nobody knows.. i think it was adopted from something in california
19:38 < kanzure> uh, let me check
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19:39 < kanzure> it looks like 6pm EST / 3pm PST / 5pm CST or 10am PST / 1pm EST / noon CST
19:39 < kanzure> not sure if we've collectively decided on a time yet
19:40 < cluckj> @_@
19:45 < kanzure> i got a message from mms.att.net "Hey, Bryan. Just wanted to say good luck this weekend... You'll rock hard. ;-) "
19:45 < kanzure> mystery phone number
19:45 < kanzure> hmm
19:45 < kanzure> s/message/email/
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19:47 < cluckj> I can probably make both of those times next week
19:47 < cluckj> wait no, not the 1pm est
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21:09 < kanzure> hm i ended up with 20 slides
21:41 < genehacker> now what was that rotary space tether concept we discussed here before
21:41 < genehacker> the one that could be built with materials we have now
21:41 < QuantumG> there's lots of em
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21:42 < genehacker> the one that was cheap
21:42 < QuantumG> http://selenianboondocks.com/category/space-tethers/
21:42 < QuantumG> has lots
21:42 < superkuh> http://www.tethers.com/TethersGeneral.html
21:43 < fenn> i like len's vitamin C gut bacteria idea
21:43 < genehacker> ok so I found the right paper then
21:44 < QuantumG> which one is it?
21:44 < fenn> kanzure you should mention that in your talk, it's a lot more transhuman than most stuff coming out of diybio
21:48 < kanzure> "university of antwerp"
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21:48 < kanzure> fenn	okie dokie
21:48 < kanzure> god damn tab key
21:48 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/presentations/diy-transhuman-tech.odp pdf is uploading (slowly)
21:48 < kanzure> suggestions welcome
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21:49 < kanzure> i can work in len's "crazy" idea into the gene therapy parts
21:49 < kanzure> wait
21:49 < kanzure> well, i mean, around the gene therapy parts
21:50 < kanzure> obviously it's not gene therapy itself
21:50 < QuantumG> fenn: is it possible to make body flora that delivers all required vitamins?
21:50 < kanzure> i don't see why not
21:50 < kanzure> just splice in the reactions and circuits required to manufacture the vitamins
21:50 < kanzure> i dunno about delivery though
21:50 < QuantumG> vitamin-C is low hanging fruit I agree
21:50 < kanzure> intestinal wall absorption is some fancy stuff
21:51 < kanzure> okay, i'm going to sleep. updates to the .odp itself are appreciated too :P
21:52 < QuantumG> oh, I have a transhumanist idea for ya: replace oral flora for prophylactic treatment of tooth decay, gum disease, bad breath...
21:52 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/presentations/diy-transhuman-tech.pdf
21:53 < kanzure> there ya go, adobewhores
21:57 < Trooem> how does a person with dyslexia learn about chemistry in a short time frame...
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21:58 < Trooem> what exactly does a lab on a chip do?
21:58 < Trooem> doesn't look like it has many functions...
21:59 < QuantumG> most of the time?  Get more grant money for the professor of the grad student who writes an article about it.
21:59 < Trooem> guess it's not that functional/practical...
22:00 < genehacker> Trooem, that's basically what a pregnancy test is
22:00 < Trooem> i can imagine ic
22:00 < genehacker> the idea is to make things like that except for diseases and conditions
22:01 < genehacker> and make them so cheap, that many doctors are out of jobs
22:02 < genehacker> and that even someone with very little money can afford to know exactly what variant of the flu they have
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22:06 < Trooem> everyone becomes a part time doctor. cool..
22:07  * Trooem has serious fear of studying due to his dyslexia... And time ran out for him, so he needs to make some serious cash.
22:07  * Trooem can't do both.
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22:18 < Trooem> if someone gives me a million dollars, i would do most anything.
22:19 < Trooem> in 10 years, i will give you 10 million dollars.
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22:51 < fenn> perl: there's more than one way to screw it up: http://ffffound.com/image/582e0d8bdf199e64b833a1d0652be255c34e0def?c=5447125
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23:41 < jrayhawk> that joke would be a lot more applicable to perl5
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