--- Day changed Sat Jun 26 2010 00:00 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:03 < kanzure> hm jon lebkowsky was an extropian? no wonder i keep bumping into him 00:08 -!- splicer [~patrik@h137n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:12 < kanzure> pmetzger appears disproprotionately often in the authors list 00:13 < jrayhawk> he was young and needed the street cred 00:15 < Utopiah> (makes me think of "From researcher in the lab to blond in the highschool playground, why popularity contests matter.") 00:21 < kanzure> wtf 00:21 < kanzure> i refuse to believe ESR was an extropian 00:21 < kanzure> well, actually, i don't refuse it 00:21 < kanzure> but it's fairly shocking :P 00:24 < kanzure> Inigo Montoya hmm.. 00:33 < kanzure> hrm why do i know sublime.org .. 00:34 < kanzure> buh? "Michael Baum (NIST Public Affairs)" 00:35 < kanzure> aroo? Carl Feynman 00:37 < kanzure> Steve Jackson , Stanton McCandlish , 00:52 < JayDugger> ESR an extropian, shocking? 00:52 < JayDugger> Okay--remember there might not have been very many other places for libertarian futurists at that time. 00:53 < JayDugger> Or transhumanists of any kind, for that matter. 00:53 < JayDugger> Depending on when in the archive you look, the terms might have signified different things than now. 00:56 < kanzure> "But the consequences will be radical -- the era of mass production will grind to dust on a million back-yard manufacturing systems." 00:56 < kanzure> that was charlie stross in 1993 00:57 < kanzure> >Biocyte has opened the first umbilical cord stem cell cryonic storage facility 00:58 < kanzure> >ever. That means that parents can store their newborn's basic cells 00:58 < kanzure> >(harvested from the umbilical cord) for future use for bone marrow 00:58 < kanzure> >replenishment and gene therapy. The new generation can now remake themselves 00:58 < kanzure> >in a way the rest of us can not. Regeneration of all their parts... 00:58 < kanzure> http://www.biocytepharma.com/ 00:59 < kanzure> hm i don't think that's it 00:59 < kanzure> ah here we go: http://web.archive.org/web/20030605061629/http://pharmastem.com/ 01:01 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what was the "open software foundation" ? 01:11 < kanzure> michel bauwens on "the emergence of open design and open manufacturing" http://bit.ly/9q9Xdm 01:17 < kanzure> self-reproducing molecular-scale machines http://www.nan7ote7chs.tk/lillipution-uploads-sci-nanotech-submission 01:18 < kanzure> technological self-transformation: expanding personal extropy http://www.maxmore.com/selftrns.htm (the article i was quoting from earlier appears to be online as well) 01:19 < jrayhawk> They're the precurser to The Open Group, who defined most of POSIX 01:23 < jrayhawk> ha ha TOG is partially responsible for the LSB, too, which has been a disaster 01:35 < kanzure> "Indeed, a nice example are the miniature C. Elegans nematodes used by many molecular geneticists. They were deliberately evolved by Sidney Brenner, because their ancestors were too large to fit on a single slide for his electron microscope." 01:35 < kanzure> (that was marvin minsky) 01:40 < kanzure> Q: What algorithm did Intel use in the Pentium's floating point divider? 01:40 < kanzure> A: "Life is like a box of chocolates." (Source: F. Gump of Intel) 02:17 -!- shepazu [~schepers@78.144.143.196] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58 -!- ez0teric [~Somebody@89.222.234.55] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:20 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Ian_Dani1er, ez0teric, bkero 05:24 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:26 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ez0teric, Ian_Dani1er, bkero 06:14 -!- thesnark [~thesnark@cpe-75-187-54-128.columbus.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:15 < thesnark> Hello all 06:15 < JayDugger> Good morning. 06:24 -!- ez0teric [~Somebody@89.222.234.55] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:32 < JayDugger> I finally found a practical use for a home 3d printer: making cascade hangers. 07:32 < JayDugger> http://www.asseenontvguys.com/productimages/as_seen_on_tv_guys/hanger-cascader.jpg 07:33 < JayDugger> I feel nonplussed. A fantastic gadget, a marvelous tool, and the first good use for it I've found has such quotidian and mundane character. 07:39 < JayDugger> Anyone read the new Stross novel, "The Fuller Memorandum?" 07:43 -!- thesnark [~thesnark@cpe-75-187-54-128.columbus.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: Java user signed off] 08:00 < QuantumG> sounds familiar 08:09 < kanzure> sketch "anti-aging" stem cell clinic: http://www.ascaac.com/index_eng.html 08:09 < kanzure> "Use of condensed pyrimidine derivatives for the treatment of autoimmune and inflammatory diseases" 08:09 * drazak graduates in 3 hours 08:10 < drazak> kanzure: are those the people that inject autologous fat cells? 08:10 < kanzure> hmm... http://www.webdesign-jobs.com/iphone-developer-needed-for-capital-factory-funded-startup-austin/ 08:10 < kanzure> "ipad dev experience" gah 08:11 < JayDugger> drazak: Congratulations! 08:11 < drazak> I may or may not be getting an ipad 08:12 < drazak> kanzure: those stem cells have been found to create changes smaller than a t valume of .05, it's nearly inisifnificant 08:12 * drazak may have done the t value thing backwards 08:12 < drazak> whatever it is, it's been found to be medically insignificant 08:12 < kanzure> http://topnews.us/content/222938-personalized-medicine-development-lags-behind-human-genome-sequencing 08:12 < kanzure> drazak: that's why it's sketch ;) 08:13 < kanzure> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/26/opinion/lweb26genome.html "The Genome Project: Patience Needed for a Payoff" "awaiting the genome payoff" 08:13 < kanzure> "Healthcare develops personal touch" http://jacksonville.bizjournals.com/jacksonville/stories/2010/06/28/story2.html 08:13 < drazak> kanzure: mesenchymal stem cells would work way better, but it's painful to have bone marrow taken :P 08:13 < kanzure> "Illumina Maps Full Genetic Makeup For Sub-$10K" http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/538624/201006252348/Illumina-Maps-Full-Genetic-Makeup-For-Sub-10K-.aspx 08:13 < kanzure> "Caliper Owners Group Meeting Showcases Critical Role of Biopharma and Academic ..." <--- what? 08:13 < kanzure> do you just need calipers to join? 08:14 < kanzure> http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10008720/partying-like-its-1999-why-big-pharmas-latest-me-too-drug-launches-are-doomed/ 08:14 < kanzure> http://www.bodyfatestimator.com/13575/another-chance-to-chew-the-fat-over-personalized-medicine/ 08:14 -!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:15 < kanzure> personalized medicine in the genomic-era: http://www.scientificamerican.com/report.cfm?id=personalized-medicine 08:15 -!- Ian_Dani1er [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15 < kanzure> hm i've never heard of 'DNA Direct' http://pharmexec.findpharma.com/pharmexec/Strategy/Riding-the-Wave/ArticleStandard/Article/detail/674795?contextCategoryId=43776 08:16 < kanzure> 'Pathway Genomics Insight Saliva Collection genetic testing kit' hard to swallow that 08:16 < kanzure> "As mentioned, Medco recently purchased DNA Direct to form the Medco Personalized Medicine Program, which incorporates a variety of services geared to using genetic tests as a way to manage drug spending more efficiently among its client insurers and providers." 08:16 < kanzure> "CVS Caremark has increased its investment in and partnered with Generation Health, a company billing itself as a genetic benefit management company (GBM), focused on assuring optimal utilization of genetic testing." 08:17 < kanzure> "genetic benefit management company" hrm 08:17 < JayDugger> That reminds me to check on 23andMe's results. 08:19 -!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20 -!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:27 < kanzure> i can't figure out what these guys actually /do/ http://www.mygenhealth.com/ 08:27 < JayDugger> Part fools from their money? 08:28 < drazak> JayDugger: thanks, by te way 08:36 < JayDugger> Time to run errands before the sun rises higher. 08:36 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:04 -!- lepton [~john@ma30736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 < kanzure> fenn: how were the python seminars yesterday? 09:06 < kanzure> fenn: based on my presentations in the past, any suggestions for my scipy2010 presentations this wednesday? 09:06 < kanzure> i.e. major differences that i should attempt 09:06 < kanzure> should i do a demo? etc. 09:13 < kanzure> i'm surprised anne wojcicki is not as high profile as craig venter 09:13 < kanzure> she has more billions and is doing more consumer-targetted stuff 09:13 < kanzure> 23andme paper http://www.plosgenetics.org/article/info:doi/10.1371/journal.pgen.1000993 09:29 -!- lepton [~john@ma30736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:30 -!- lepton [~john@72.sub-75-220-114.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:35 < lepton> I've got motion on the CNC with EMC2! Woohoo! 09:57 < Utopiah> if you have resources justifiying open source, open tech, FOSS, etc... and criticizing locked-in effect, commercial practices, etc... for creative work in particular please flood me in PM 10:09 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:10 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:16 < Yocttar> Utopiah: think of Utopiah.. 10:19 < Utopiah> o_0 10:19 < kanzure> .. 10:31 -!- splicer [~patrik@h137n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:48 -!- lepton [~john@72.sub-75-220-114.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:50 -!- lepton [~john@29.sub-75-231-188.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:31 -!- pmetzger [~pmetzger@69.86.203.77] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:00 -!- lepton [~john@29.sub-75-231-188.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:05 < pmetzger> afternoon... 12:31 < kanzure> pmetzger: you are represented disproportionately often in the extropians mailing list archive 12:35 < pmetzger> the archive isn't supposed to be public. but I'm not surprised. 12:35 < pmetzger> (in fact, there was a big agreement that it not be public) 12:36 < pmetzger> I was pretty loud. :) 12:37 < kanzure> i think i accidentally acquired it 12:54 -!- lepton [~john@161.sub-75-231-73.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:57 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:05 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:15 < pmetzger> gah. the debian lenny installer takes forever to ext3ify a 1T partition. 13:15 < pmetzger> I bet they didn't turn off metadata journaling for the duration of the create. 13:49 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:53 -!- lepton [~john@161.sub-75-231-73.myvzw.com] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:55 -!- diques [cluckj@cpe-72-231-169-163.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:56 -!- lepton [~john@108.sub-75-220-115.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:57 < kanzure> various open source hardware biz talks at HOPE http://thenexthope.org/2010/06/45-talks-that-will-be-at-the-next-hope-still-not-half-the-total/ 13:57 < kanzure> meh: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/peyer/hello-world-modern-biotechnology-for-high-schools 13:59 -!- jcluck [cluckj@cpe-72-231-169-163.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:04 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host81-152-128-43.range81-152.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:27 < kanzure> japanese demonstrating how to hold a cell phone: http://photos-451.friendster.com/e1/photos/15/48/18428451/1_246234319l.jpg 14:27 < kanzure> fenn will like that. 14:59 < kanzure> "Yes, that was me. I think Perry Metzger and/or 14:59 < kanzure> Michael Vassar would like to have a copy of 14:59 < kanzure> the extropians mailing list archive. " 14:59 < kanzure> apparently the 'phil goetz' hanging out on diybio is the same phil goetz i saw in the archives 15:03 < kanzure> hi diques 15:04 < kanzure> oh you're probably jcluck 15:10 -!- Yocttar [~victor@bzq-84-111-31-19.red.bezeqint.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:19 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:31 -!- lepton [~john@108.sub-75-220-115.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:31 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:32 -!- lepton [~john@150.sub-75-231-131.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:35 < diques> nick cluckj 15:35 < diques> oops 15:35 -!- diques is now known as cluckj 15:38 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 15:46 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:50 -!- lepton [~john@150.sub-75-231-131.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:52 -!- lepton [~john@84.sub-75-220-131.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:59 -!- lepton [~john@84.sub-75-220-131.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:01 -!- lepton [~john@81.sub-75-220-22.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:08 -!- lepton [~john@81.sub-75-220-22.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10 -!- lepton [~john@24.sub-75-231-97.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:27 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:44 < fenn> hmm intereresting "As of 2010, the film adaptation of Battle Angel is currently in pre-production[4] with director James Cameron." 16:59 -!- lepton [~john@24.sub-75-231-97.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:00 -!- klafka [~klafka@pool-72-88-88-205.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:01 -!- lepton [~john@22.sub-75-231-241.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:10 -!- lepton [~john@22.sub-75-231-241.myvzw.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:12 < fenn> http://www.credoaction.com/comics/2010/06/environmental-crisis-on-planet-glox/ 17:13 < fenn> gratz lepton, now what? 17:14 < kanzure> "NanoSpire provides the first machine tool capable of cutting, drilling, welding, hammering, and annealing materials only a few nanometers in size by harnessing cavitation microjets." 17:33 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.66.115.88] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:36 < kanzure> ha ha 17:36 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1040581998/biocurious-a-hackerspace-for-biotech-the-community 17:36 < kanzure> $750 of $30k pledged 17:38 < kanzure> "OpenPCR (your choice of kit or machine fully-assembled) + private instruction from its creators, Tito Jankowski and Josh Perfetto (video chat for non-locals) 17:38 < kanzure> " 17:38 < kanzure> what the fuck 17:38 < kanzure> uh, for $1k? 17:54 -!- klafka [~klafka@pool-72-88-88-205.bflony.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:12 < fenn> kanzure: demos are always nice, from the audience's perspective 18:12 < fenn> i think the best presentation was the realtime sage demo, but the guy (will stein) really knew his shit 18:15 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.66.115.88] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:18 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-74-77-126-230.buffalo.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:22 < kanzure> i should go on to kickstarter and ask for $100k just for the hell of it 19:22 < kanzure> "look at me! i can toot my own horn" 19:22 < kanzure> it's horn, right? 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22:43 < ybit> so these people can maintain their appearance to the average joe? 22:43 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:44 < ybit> their not terribly insane appearance* 22:44 < ybit> drazak: congrats good sir 23:22 -!- shepazutoo [~schepers@host86-143-252-188.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:23 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-143-252-188.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:31 -!- neobii [neobii@shellglitch.possessed.us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:37 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:42 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:56 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:57 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]