--- Day changed Sun Jun 27 2010 00:06 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:06 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:11 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:11 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:25 -!- splicer [~patrik@h137n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:31 -!- shepazutoo [~schepers@host86-143-252-188.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Quit: shepazutoo] 01:32 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-143-252-188.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:36 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-143-252-188.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 01:41 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-143-252-188.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:46 -!- shepazu [~schepers@host86-143-252-188.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Client Quit] 02:47 -!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:28 < Utopiah> http://freewheel.autodesk.com/webdevelopers.aspx 05:02 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:45 < kanzure> Utopiah: have you seen their AJAX 2D DXF suite for drawing floorplans? 05:46 < Utopiah> I just discovered it thanks to http://openarchitecturenetwork.org/ 05:46 < kanzure> http://butterfly.autodesk.com/ 05:52 < kanzure> looks crazy: http://labs.autodesk.com/utilities/2d_to_3d_tool/ 05:53 < Utopiah> tbh I was a bit surprised when I saw those last tools but Autodesk isn't a minor software producer so... 06:08 < kanzure> yeah :) they even took on the risk of xanadu 06:18 < kanzure> "SolidWorks is currently used by over 3.4 million engineers and designers at more than 100,000 companies worldwide." 06:18 < kanzure> is 3.4M high or low? 06:19 < kanzure> "FY2007 revenue for SolidWorks, including CosmosWorks, was 255 million Euros" 06:19 < kanzure> with 1M licenses sold 06:23 < Utopiah> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Dassault_Systemes_S.A. vs https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Autodesk 06:32 < kanzure> "history of cad" by jon hirschtick http://vimeo.com/2612213 06:34 < kanzure> oh dear: http://web.archive.org/web/19961212073847/http://www.solidworks.com/ 06:38 < kanzure> "SolidWorks is backed by a group of venture capital firms including Atlas Venture; Burr, Egan Deleage; North Bridge Venture Partners; and Kubota Corporation." 06:50 < kanzure> so, is this progression right? build1, build2, romulus, parasolid, ACIS? 06:58 < kanzure> "In late 2000, around the time when Spatial was acquired out by Dassault Systemes, the ACIS file format changed slightly and was no longer openly published." 06:59 < kanzure> older acis file format doc: http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/sat/sat.pdf 07:00 < kanzure> oops that doesn't exist any more. http://web.archive.org/web/20060915133732/http://local.wasp.uwa.edu.au/~pbourke/dataformats/sat/sat.pdf 07:40 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:48 -!- LilxHK [~LilxHK@c906548b.virtua.com.br] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:44 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:56 -!- LilxHK [~LilxHK@c906548b.virtua.com.br] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 10:15 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:15 < fenn> i don't get the autodesk 2d/3d stuff (maybe it's because there's no sound atm) 11:33 -!- uniqanomaly__ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-209-36.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:33 < pmetzger> autodesk has sound? 11:34 < pmetzger> er, autocad? 11:38 < fenn> the demo video on the website 11:41 < pmetzger> ah. 11:45 -!- uniqanomaly__ [~ua@dynamic-87-105-214-182.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:55 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 11:58 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:12 -!- Yocttar [~victor@bzq-84-111-31-19.red.bezeqint.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:13 < pmetzger> anyone around a debian expert? 12:13 < Yocttar> any1 know a good place I could freely uplao 12:13 < Yocttar> upload a pdf to? 12:13 < pmetzger> you mean, web hosting? 12:14 < Yocttar> something to share... if its web hosting, let it be web hosting... 12:14 < Yocttar> about your debian question - you should just ask, maybe then some1 will be able to answer :) 12:17 < Yocttar> plus u have the #ubuntu channel 12:17 < Yocttar> where u probably will find more debian experts.. 12:41 < pmetzger> I figured out my issue using google... 12:45 -!- clemux [clemux@lysine.clemux.info] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:25 < Yocttar> google powah ! 13:36 < Yocttar> btw: http://pdfhost.net/ 14:06 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:13 -!- shepazu [~schepers@92.9.144.199] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:42 < pmetzger> btw, first meeting of a "nanosystems" reading group in NYC on Monday night. I doubt anyone here is interested, but I thought I'd mention it. 14:58 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:01 < kanzure> pmetzger: there's a few of us in here who are from nyc 15:02 < pmetzger> Yes, but probably only a small subset, and only a subset of those might be interested, if that. 15:24 < pmetzger> though I did of course mention it on the chance that someone would be interested... 15:25 < kanzure> *ahem* why aren't the nyc people piping up 15:26 < pmetzger> Well, few of them are probably reading, and fewer still probably are interested. :) 15:34 < kanzure> fenn: who is peretx? 15:44 -!- strages [~strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:54 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:55 -!- heath [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:56 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:59 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:24 < fenn> a langtonite and champion of future living http://www.flickr.com/photos/ifl/ why? 16:27 < kanzure> joseph is conning(?) him into working with biocurious 16:28 < kanzure> joseph is also getting anselm in on it apparently.. 16:28 < kanzure> unrelated: anyone know what 'Golden Triangle PCAST PICAT Meeting'? 16:28 < kanzure> *is? 16:29 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:29 < fenn> peretz was doing biochemistry at ucsf and now is sort of wandering aimlessly 16:30 < fenn> he thinks diybio is cute 16:43 < fenn> jeez there's like a 50 degree temperature difference between SF night and mountain view day 16:44 < fenn> 82 my ass 16:51 < pmetzger> it depends on where in SF. 16:52 < pmetzger> At Fort Point it can be 50F at the same time that it is 90F in the mission... 16:52 < pmetzger> the nice thing about the bay area is that you can just pick the weather you prefer and drive there. :) 17:12 < kanzure> ***** Singularity, The Zine for Hip Geeks. 17:12 < kanzure> Contact: Ron Hale-Evans, 89 Mass Ave. Suite 199, Boston, MA 02115. 17:12 < kanzure> hm 17:13 < kanzure> ***** Boing-Boing, The World's greatest neurozine. 17:13 < kanzure> Contact: Mark and Carla Frauenfelder Boing-Boing, PO Box 12311, Boulder, Co 80303 mark@well.sf.ca.us. 17:13 < kanzure> Price: $10/4 issues 17:13 < kanzure> Topics: comix, Cyberpunk, Brain Toys, Rudy Rucker interviews, etc. 17:13 < kanzure> BoingBoing was around back in 1991? 17:24 < kanzure> "Morrall estimates that this FDA regulation saves 68 lives per annum at a 17:24 < kanzure> cost of $132,000,000/life. Is this a good trade-off? Morrall cites 16 17:24 < kanzure> careful studies estimating individual willingness to pay for risk 17:24 < kanzure> reduction. "The estimates vary from about $400,000 to about $9.7 million 17:24 < kanzure> per life saved, with a mean estimate of $3.3 million and a median estimate 17:24 < kanzure> of $1.7 million." Id at 34. This indicates that the FDA's regulations 17:24 < kanzure> diverge from individual preferences by a couple of orders of magnitude. 17:24 < kanzure> This isn't to say that the FDA hasn't proposed dumber things. It once 17:24 < kanzure> tried to ban the cosmetic coloring Orange No. 17 to avert a calculated risk 17:24 < kanzure> of death of 1 in 10 billion. The regulation was projected to save one life 17:24 < kanzure> in 2,000 years. Id at 29. 17:26 < kanzure> hah it was called the Fascist Death Administration 17:29 < kanzure> hah! "line modebrowse release 0.14" "the revolution in web browsing!" 17:30 < kanzure> THE WEB IS NOW 80 CHARACTERS WIDE! 17:30 < kanzure> actually it's pretty cool to see tim berners-lee on the extropians list 17:38 < pmetzger> Singularity was important in the history of that mailing list. 17:38 < pmetzger> Semiotext SF had an ad for The Science Fiction Eye which had an ad for bOING bOING which had an ad for Singularity which had an ad for Extropy. 17:45 < kanzure> oh cool, some people from autodesk were posting 17:45 < kanzure> heh with a quote from drexler in his .sig 17:46 < kanzure> hm he does some fairly good blog posts: http://robjsoftware.org/ 18:12 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:12 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:13 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Client Quit] 18:13 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:41 -!- AJollyLife [~Jolly@unaffiliated/ajollylife] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:42 -!- AJollyLife [~Jolly@unaffiliated/ajollylife] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:50 -!- strages [~strages@c-76-29-243-225.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:52 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:56 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:09 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:10 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:42 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:50 -!- pmetzger [~pmetzger@69.86.203.77] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:53 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:54 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:00 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:55 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:07 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 21:21 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:22 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:22 -!- splicer [~patrik@h137n2c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:37 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@190.12.135.157] has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [] 22:02 -!- cluckj [cluckj@cpe-72-231-169-163.nycap.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:06 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [] 23:30 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.11] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:38 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kardan, Yocttar, ToyKeeper 23:53 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.189.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Yocttar, ToyKeeper, kardan