--- Log opened Wed Jul 07 00:00:17 2010 00:32 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:28 -!- streety1 [~s0678364@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:42 < bdesk> kanzure: i think there are between 0 and 1000s of sequenced genomes, depending on what you call sequenced. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sequenced_eukaryotic_genomes http://www.genome.gov/10002154 02:42 < bdesk> it is possible to do interesting genetics research without sequencing a genome. 03:21 -!- Bruns [~Bruns@c-68-34-207-23.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:25 < Bruns> hai 04:06 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kive 04:09 -!- Netsplit over, joins: kive 04:09 < Bruns> http://000chan.org/b/src/127817701792.gif 04:10 < Bruns> http://000chan.org/b/src/12781781357.gif 04:55 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:08 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-80-209.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:09 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-80-209.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:35 -!- Bruns [~Bruns@c-68-34-207-23.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: nsh_ 06:17 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nsh_ 06:30 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:34 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:39 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:57 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:29 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:31 < kanzure> via nicholas roberts: http://permaculture.tv/pathways-to-sustainable-self-governance-democratic-open-source-food-and-manufacturing-networks/ 07:37 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:39 < kanzure> "Have you ever compiled git from source? See the number of dependencies? It can't have a Windows client without puting a shitload of mingw32 dlls in the PATH. And since gcc can't behave itself when on Windows there are no manifest files anywhere and you can broke other applications compiled with a different version of mingw32. Install QtCreator and later install TortoiseGit to replicate this." 07:40 < ENKI-][> that's kind of funny 07:40 < ENKI-][> i compile git from source all the time 07:43 < kanzure> "As of January 2009 there has only been one human feeding study conducted on the effects of genetically modified foods" wut? 07:43 < kanzure> ENKI-][: on windows? 07:49 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@69.182.217.110] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:49 -!- splicer [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:53 -!- JayDugger [~Jay_Dugge@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:53 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone. 07:55 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:57 < ENKI-][> kanzure: i don't compile anything on windows. i can't afford it 08:20 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 08:20 -!- JayDugger [~Jay_Dugge@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 08:32 < kanzure> http://charlespax.com/2010/04/27/motorized-conveyor-belt-sneak-peek/ 08:33 < kanzure> "Help DIYgenomics crowd-source clinical trials" guh? 08:38 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.219] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:51 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-68-163-233-130.bos.east.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:54 -!- AJollyLife [~Jolly@unaffiliated/ajollylife] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:56 -!- AJollyLife [~Jolly@unaffiliated/ajollylife] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:56 < bdesk> kanzure: what is wrong with that? 08:57 < kanzure> bdesk: the diygenomics quote? nothing 08:57 < kanzure> just news to me :) 08:57 < kanzure> also i make lots of weird sounds (guh, buh, meh, bleh, blah, eh, aroo, ..) 09:03 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 < bdesk> what exactly is a crowd sourced clinical trial? 09:06 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:06 < kanzure> good question. uh.. 09:06 < bdesk> do not all clinical trials use crowds? 09:06 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:06 < kanzure> well, a quick google shows that some of it just means "using the web to get participants for the clinical trial" 09:07 < kanzure> (recruitment) 09:08 < bdesk> what do they usually use? 09:08 < bdesk> junk mail? random telephone calls? 09:09 < kanzure> hm. http://openthoughtspace.pbworks.com/Personal-Genome-Analysis 09:09 < AJollyLife> bdesk: subway ads 09:09 < kanzure> bdesk: dunno, that's a good question 09:09 < AJollyLife> used to see them all the time when i was living in chicago 09:09 < kanzure> as far as i know, clinical trials most often acquire participants who are in need of some cash 09:09 < AJollyLife> never got a single phone call or mailing, but i saw the ads all the time riding public transportation 09:09 < kanzure> usually via flyers on the street 09:09 < kanzure> yes 09:10 < kanzure> also, on occassion there are ads on cable television for the we-really-need-something-obscure like a particular type of schizophrenia patient 09:12 < bdesk> so the people in clinical trials ride public transportation and watch non-prime-time cable television. 09:13 < ENKI-][> this is a terrible audience. 09:13 < kanzure> bdesk: http://www.socialwish.com/wish/4-diygenomics-crowd-sourced-clinical-trials 09:13 < ENKI-][> you would get a more representative sample posting clinical trial ads on /b/ 09:14 < kanzure> so, melanie is asking for $72.75 to fund one person's "clinical trial" for diygenomics? 09:14 < kanzure> apparently diygenomics is a "startup"? 09:15 < kanzure> "More information about Thermotyp, our Open Source PCR Machine 09:15 < kanzure> http://otyp.es/videos " 09:16 < kanzure> http://vimeo.com/12330301 "What makes traditional themal cyclers so expensive (and what is Otyp doing differently)?" 09:16 < kanzure> " James from Otyp gives a little more detail about what makes conventional PCR machines (thermal cyclers) so expensive, and how using open technologies, and mass produced parts designed to be used with traditional computers, Otyp is going to be making Thermotyp, an open source PCR machine. " 09:16 < kanzure> this is from the same group doing the "hello world" synthetic biology thing on kickstarter (it hasn't been getting any money, though) 09:16 < kanzure> http://otyp.es/ 09:17 < kanzure> http://kck.st/8YAkI3 09:18 < kanzure> thermotyp block v004 http://thingiverse.com/thing:3240 09:18 < kanzure> " The most recent edition of Otyp's open source PCR machine block, Thermotyp. Follow the development of Thermotyp through kickstarter or on otyp.es " 09:19 < kanzure> looks like it's just a tube holder.. but at least they have some files released 09:19 < kanzure> " Block2 v004.igs " 09:19 < kanzure> holy fuck! an IGES file! 09:19 < kanzure> this guy just became my best friend 09:37 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 09:47 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:08 < kanzure> hm.. genome_Andrew_Hessel_Full_20100702181249.txt.zip 10:08 < fenn> you made a test tube holder at one point, forget why.. http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2311 10:09 < kanzure> you? 10:09 < fenn> should be redone in openscad i think 10:10 < kanzure> i had this terrible idea about an hour ago 10:10 < fenn> from the otyp.es guy 10:10 < fenn> i don't make anything anymore :( 10:10 * fenn pushes some bits around 10:10 < kanzure> the idea was to make an in-browser openscad-like javascript thingy with raphaeljs 10:11 < fenn> yarr, get in there, bits! 10:11 < kanzure> http://raphaeljs.com/scape/ it seems capable 10:11 < kanzure> the rendering would be with svg 10:11 < fenn> why not opengl? 10:11 < kanzure> a right-hand side for typing out javascript stuff (my_sphere.blah) 10:11 < kanzure> do you mean webgl? 10:11 < fenn> whateverthefuckgl 10:11 < kanzure> the only browser that supports webgl is like chrome on windows 10:12 < fenn> java3d then 10:12 < fenn> or just send a friggin screenshot every 2 seconds 10:12 < bdesk> kanzure: soon everything will be in the browser. also inside facebook, probably. 10:12 < kanzure> fenn: right 10:13 < fenn> let's start a secret group inside facebook that you have to join in order to look at any of the content 10:13 < fenn> then invite people to lots of parties, but only give them links to this group 10:14 < kanzure> huh? why? 10:14 < kanzure> doesn't that make us assholes? 10:14 < fenn> kanzure did you ever check out the sage interactive web notebook? 10:14 < fenn> (yes) 10:14 < kanzure> no but i saw something similar before so i just assumed.. 10:14 < bdesk> sagenb.org 10:15 < bdesk> Sage is awesome. 10:15 < bdesk> kanzure: add this to your omnibase: [bdesk: "Sage"] 10:15 < kanzure> check this out: http://2.latest.sympy-gamma.appspot.com/nb/ 10:16 < kanzure> http://sagenb.org/ seems to complain about a proxy error 10:16 < bdesk> i actually like sympy more because it is less than a gigabyte to install. 10:17 < bdesk> kanzure: works for me 10:18 < kanzure> this sympy-notebook thing would be way better if it took a clue from etherpad 10:18 < kanzure> and then was based on R instead (or something) 10:18 < kanzure> so that you get mathematicians doing collaborative math proofs/theorems/etc. in an understandable syntax 10:18 < bdesk> no, sympy is good. it can maintain the math in symbolic form like mathematica and unlike R. but only to a limited degree. 10:19 < kanzure> right 10:19 < kanzure> i guess i was referencing the large number of libraries available via CRAN 10:19 < bdesk> i think there are R web thingies. but they are probably full of bobby tableses 10:20 < bdesk> http://www.math.montana.edu/Rweb/ 10:20 < kanzure> now warp it with etherpad, pastebin and a mathematica notebook :P 10:20 < kanzure> well, not a mathematica notebook 10:21 < bdesk> kanzure: how did you find the sympy notepad? the planet sympy blog is down. 10:21 < kanzure> since that tries to preserve traditional math syntax 10:21 < kanzure> bdesk: i'm on the sympy-dev mailing list 10:21 < bdesk> ah 10:22 < bdesk> isn't google wave supposed to own all this? 10:22 < kanzure> supposedly. 10:24 < fenn> wave never had anything to do with math 10:24 < kanzure> fenn: the collaborative, interactive aspect thing 10:24 < fenn> oh. i thought the point of the web notebook was so you didnt have to install a gigabyte of dependencies 10:25 < kanzure> it is, but it would be even more helpful if you could share your current notebook state with ohters 10:26 -!- nsh [~nsh@druim.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:28 < bdesk> i do this with my collaborators; i use cgi web programming and they use email. 10:32 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-68-163-233-130.bos.east.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:32 -!- streety1 [~s0678364@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:35 < fenn> me too; i use awesomesauce and they use weaksauce 10:36 * fenn goes back to pushing bits around 10:40 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:41 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41 -!- lepton [~john@231.sub-75-220-144.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:09 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.214.247.202] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:11 < jrayhawk> kanzure: Is there something like the Open Source Definition or the DSFG published for hardware designs? 11:13 < jrayhawk> It seems like that such a thing would help with your "nobody has any idea what 'open' means" problem 11:21 -!- lepton [~john@231.sub-75-220-144.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:21 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:23 < kanzure> jrayhawk: no, there isn't 11:23 < kanzure> and i do agree something like the DSFG doc is desperately needed 11:23 < kanzure> i talked with some lawyers, and they suggested the traditional "working group" model 11:23 < kanzure> in particular for scenario planning 11:24 < kanzure> and then once we bundle up the scenarios, we can make some generalized statements 11:24 < bdesk> what is an example of a scenario? someone wants to make a startup with your microfluidic techs? 11:25 < kanzure> bdesk: example is: joe makes an "open source hardware" project for a thermocycler, sells a few kits that he throws together 11:25 < kanzure> then, amy comes along and starts selling kits as well with the same designs 11:25 < kanzure> i want that to be possible 11:25 < kanzure> but there are variations on this scenario, like, amy makes some modifications, and then *doesn't* distribute the designs 11:25 < kanzure> or where amy doesn't distribute designs at all (even when she doesn't modify the designs) 11:26 < bdesk> so that would be ok if she is not distributing the modified techs, right? 11:26 < kanzure> that=? 11:26 < bdesk> that=amy makes some modifications and then doesnt distribute the deisngs. 11:26 < kanzure> ah, i see 11:27 < kanzure> right, that's how it goes with open source software too 11:27 < kanzure> (in general) 11:27 < bdesk> yes that is the analogy i was thinking of 11:27 < kanzure> amy makes some mods to the designs, builds her own hardware for herself, but doesn't distribute the changes/diff.. that's fine as far as i can tell 11:27 < kanzure> but if it goes commercial, that's when things get messy 11:28 < bdesk> what if it is in her garage 11:28 < kanzure> so anyway, this sort of scenario planning is what i think we should do 11:28 < bdesk> ok 11:28 < kanzure> what if what is in her garage? 11:28 < kanzure> her piece of hardware that she builds? 11:28 < bdesk> nvm 11:29 < kanzure> jrayhawk: how does ikiwiki protect against spam attacks? 11:31 < bdesk> kanzure: there is this on the reprap forum http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?58,40874 11:31 < bdesk> 'gpl for hardware is bad 11:31 < bdesk> ' 11:34 < jrayhawk> You have the option of requiring a per-wiki password for signup, which you can creatively turn into a turing test by stuffing it somewhere obvious. 11:34 < kanzure> yeah, they're just pointing out that the gpl isn't really compatible 11:34 < kanzure> bdesk: in that thread they suggest TAPR or CC but that just shows that they don't know the situation all that well.. 11:34 < jrayhawk> For Piny I just make the account creation procedure sufficiently complicated and obscure that spammers are unlikely to try. 11:35 < kanzure> jrayhawk: your anti-spam measures don't look good :( 11:35 < jrayhawk> Yeah, I might fix that someday. Maybe. 11:35 < kanzure> "As far as I can tell, nothing currently legally prevents someone from withholding the hardware design files, when they modify and making electronics, mechanical parts, and kits for, or like, RepRap devices for sale or donation to others." 11:36 < kanzure> "Even more, if they should write their own software and documentation, from the way I read RepRap licensing, they can feel free to create their own fully proprietary RepRap machines so long as they don't call it a RepRap; in fact, I believe this has already been done, has it not? " 11:36 < kanzure> "Ah. My point is that it is the responsibility of the FLOSS-legal community to address this matter. I believe RMS can fix the GPL so that it does address hardware. address" 11:36 < kanzure> ^ now that's definitely wrong 11:36 < jrayhawk> I don't actually have world-writable wikis implemented yet, but that might come soon. 11:37 < bdesk> oh, i would have thought the reprap group could make a good license. 11:37 < bdesk> or find one or whatever. 11:37 < kanzure> this explains it well: " 11:37 < kanzure> "Any material that can be copyrighted can be licensed under the GPL. GPLv3 can also be used to license materials covered by other copyright-like laws, such as semiconductor masks. So, as an example, you can release a drawing of a hardware design under the GPL." 11:37 < kanzure> "However, if someone used that information to create physical hardware, they would have no license obligations when distributing or selling that device: it falls outside the scope of copyright and thus the GPL itself." 11:38 < bdesk> kanzure: ok so GPL itself is not directly useable for the hardware in a way that satisfies your scenarios. but are the goals for reprap licensing the same as your hardware licensing goals? 11:40 < kanzure> yes absolutely 11:40 < kanzure> sebastien baillard has been in here a few times in the past 11:41 < kanzure> "From how I interpret the OHL, the intent is to restrict your ability to distribute the hardware devices by licensing the use of copyrighted material used to make that device" 11:41 < kanzure> "You are not allowed to modify or use a copy of copyrighted material to produce hardware unless you include that copyrighted material and the modifications you make. In this sense, OHL is still leveraging copyright law. I'm not sure there is enough precident to say whether this can be enforced. " 11:41 < jrayhawk> Did you want me to set up an ikiwiki on Gnusha for you to play with? 11:41 < kanzure> ehh 11:42 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm trying to figure out if that's a good idea or not 11:43 < jrayhawk> I assume you don't *really* want a world writable wiki, and handing out access credentials on an individual basis is more in line with your trust model. 11:44 < kanzure> bdesk: look at the last post in that thread (on page 2) 11:45 < kanzure> jrayhawk: my internal trust model is about as fucked up as .. well, it's just all broken, to say the least 11:45 < bdesk> i dont know what is om or dman 11:45 < kanzure> dman is a typo 11:45 < kanzure> om is http://openmanufacturing.org/ 11:45 < kanzure> or more specifically http://groups.google.com/group/openmanufacturing 12:10 -!- randallagordon [~randallag@c-71-59-167-112.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.214.247.202] has quit [Quit: mheld] 12:43 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:44 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:45 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:48 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:49 -!- Noahj [~noah@24.38.189.39] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:55 -!- nsh [~nsh@druim.force9.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:55 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patentleft 12:57 -!- niftyzero1 [~miron@dsl081-070-214.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:59 < kanzure> jonathan cline is asking me for $10k/mo for 4 years with an early termination clause 12:59 < kanzure> he sounds expensive :) 13:03 < kanzure> "The 1931 regulations abolished the private ownership of intellectual property rights. Instead of being able to independently exploit her invention in a commercial way, the inventor now received a nominal remuneration in exchange for permanently assigning her invention and the accompanying intellectual property rights to the state." 13:03 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:03 < cluckj> that's pretty expensive 13:03 < cluckj> don't you get a brothers-in-arms discount? 13:04 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:10 < kanzure> http://www.africafocus.org/docs04/wipo0411.php the world intellectual property organization 13:10 < kanzure> "# Private interests misappropriate social and public goods, and lock up the public domain. " 13:10 < kanzure> i would have guessed something named WIPO would be *for* IP 13:11 < kanzure> "A 1967 Convention sought to encourage creative activity by establishing WIPO to promote the protection of intellectual property. The mission was expanded in 1974, when WIPO became part of the United Nations, under an agreement that asked WIPO to take "appropriate action to promote creative intellectual activity," and facilitate the transfer of technology to developing countries, "in order to accelerate economic, social and cultural developme 13:11 < kanzure> "As an intergovernmental organization, however, WIPO embraced a culture of creating and expanding monopoly privileges, often without regard to consequences." 13:11 < kanzure> ah, nevermind. 13:13 < kanzure> http://www.wipo.int/ip-development/en/dacd.html "Development Agenda Coordination Division (DACD)" 13:13 < kanzure> guess they just setup a separate part of their group to handle argentina's claims :P 13:16 < kanzure> http://www.futureofwipo.org/futureofwipodeclaration.html 13:16 < kanzure> interesting list of signatures: http://www.futureofwipo.org/signatures.html 13:17 < kanzure> lessig, doctorow, .. and lots of other random names 13:21 < kanzure> http://www.idrc.ca/openebooks/454-3/ Implementing WIPO's Development Agenda 13:24 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@69.182.217.110] has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:24 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.68.219] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:31 < fenn> and now you know why pcb/chip etch patterns are called 'artwork' 13:43 -!- niftyzero1 [~miron@dsl081-070-214.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:46 < kanzure> http://biohouston.org/ 13:48 < kanzure> makerbot on cbs news: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20009744-501465.html 13:48 < kanzure> someone wants to know the makerbot stock ticker symbol: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100705182337AAhBY6S 13:49 < fenn> they aren't a public company afaik 13:49 < kanzure> right 13:49 < kanzure> hm the question on yahoo answers was from two days ago 13:49 < fenn> hype is always a good investment, until it's not 13:49 < kanzure> so i suspect it was unrelated to CBS News 13:53 < kanzure> singinst.org will be releasing the software i worked on in 2008 under the gpl tomorrow 13:53 < kanzure> for http://theuncertainfuture.com/ 13:53 < fenn> why do it tomorrow when you can do it today? :) 13:54 < kanzure> they had to ask the contributors (like me) if we were all ok with the licensing 13:54 < kanzure> so they gave a deadline for responses to be collected 13:54 < fenn> didnt you steal some code from some webpage? 13:54 < kanzure> they ended up not using it 13:54 < kanzure> and instead some java developer (rolf) got involved 13:54 < kanzure> so, of course, everything switched to java.. 13:54 < fenn> ewww 13:55 < kanzure> get this: we (by we i mean everyone else but me in the group) were thinking of applying to ycombinator :/ 13:55 < kanzure> for that project 13:55 < fenn> sure, applying is fine. i hope they didnt expect anything to come of it though 13:55 < kanzure> we had probability distributions of our certainty of getting accepted to yc and everything! 13:56 < fenn> was it just like 'omg we're in silicon valley 111' 13:56 < kanzure> no it was more like anna/steve drawing graphs to prove how smart they were and that yc would thus let them in 13:56 < kanzure> or something 13:57 < fenn> well, it's not a university 13:59 -!- nsh [~nsh@druim.force9.co.uk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 < kanzure> ah here's the paper on theuncertainfuture.com 14:01 < kanzure> http://singinst.org/theuncertainfuture.html 14:01 < kanzure> hm i wonder why i didn't get on that paper 14:29 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:31 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:37 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558942.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:39 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-80-209.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:42 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-80-209.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:55 -!- nsh [~nsh@druim.force9.co.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:59 -!- Bruns [~Bruns@c-68-34-207-23.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:11 -!- nsh [~nsh@druim.force9.co.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:19 < Bruns> anyone wanna donate 18 hundred? 15:19 < Bruns> :3 15:28 < Bruns> lol 15:28 < Bruns> I am about to make 900 dollars from one computer 15:28 < Bruns> haha 15:29 < Bruns> and its a compaq 15:32 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:33 -!- lepton [~john@241.sub-75-231-53.myvzw.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:37 -!- Bruns [~Bruns@c-68-34-207-23.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:46 -!- niftyzero1 [~miron@c-98-210-152-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:05 -!- lepton [~john@241.sub-75-231-53.myvzw.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:07 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:11 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:12 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:25 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:27 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:31 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:45 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:49 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:54 -!- niftyzero1 [~miron@c-98-210-152-62.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:56 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:04 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:11 -!- Bruns [~Bruns@c-68-34-207-23.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 17:45 < Bruns> http://000chan.org/news.php 17:50 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-104-134.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:53 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:54 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:55 -!- niftyzero1 [~miron@dsl081-070-214.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:56 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone. 18:07 < bkero> http://gizmodo.com/5581377/solid+state-systems-could-sequence-a-genome-for-100?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+(Gizmodo)&utm_content=Google+Reader 18:12 * kanzure nods 18:12 < kanzure> bkero: have you seen the AFM-DNA-sequencing papers? 18:13 < kanzure> oh wait, this is a nanopore article 18:13 < bkero> Yea 18:19 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:23 < kanzure> wut? http://openfarmtech.org/index.php/OSE_License 18:25 < kanzure> that was from http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=2012 18:25 < kanzure> drill press: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=2037 18:25 < kanzure> somehow michael koch convinced marcin to use openpario :( 18:25 < kanzure> http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/projects/drillpress/documents 18:26 < kanzure> the original replab blog post: http://openfarmtech.org/weblog/?p=1254 18:26 < Bruns> food backed currency? won't work in Ethiopia that is for sure. 18:26 < kanzure> here's the dxf file: http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/attachments/2227/drill_press_v0.1.dxf 18:26 < kanzure> i'm not sure how the "OSE License" is a license.. 18:28 < JayDugger> Why complain about open+pario? 18:28 < kanzure> JayDugger: it's yet another "project management" suite-on-a-website 18:28 < JayDugger> Yeah, so/ 18:28 < kanzure> uh 18:28 < JayDugger> s/\//? 18:28 < kanzure> why not just put the files under a standard revision control system 18:28 < JayDugger> Seriously? 18:29 < kanzure> yes 18:29 < JayDugger> I think that would work better, but it lies pretty far from current practice. 18:29 < kanzure> google wave seems to be doing it (er, or do they have some proprietary bullshit under the hood?) 18:29 < JayDugger> Too big a change in tools, regardless of advantage, deters adoption. 18:30 < JayDugger> MS Project sucks eggs, but it, like the rest of office, remains a common vice. 18:30 < kanzure> JayDugger: openpario was pitched as a competitor to an skdb-on-the-web thing 18:30 < JayDugger> Oh? 18:30 < kanzure> frankly it seems completely inappropriate for the task at hand 18:31 < JayDugger> I didn't know that. 18:31 < kanzure> well, openpario didn't originate like that 18:31 < kanzure> but i mean, that's how it was injected into the openmanufacturing community as far as i can tell 18:31 < kanzure> fenn: i forget, what was marcin's understanding of dependency resolution as being a priority? 18:32 < Bruns> I know what you all wanna do 18:32 < Bruns> is donate to my site :D 18:38 < JayDugger> Hmm... 18:38 < JayDugger> http://openpario.mime.oregonstate.edu/projects/foodcommonshydro 18:38 < JayDugger> That intrigues me. 18:39 < JayDugger> I wonder if it works well with salt-water hydroponics. 18:40 -!- lepton [~john@m850736d0.tmodns.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40 < kanzure> is there anything on it on the appropedia page 18:40 < JayDugger> UNK--FF is slow. 18:42 < JayDugger> Not really. 18:42 < JayDugger> A superficial glance--rainwater collection for hydroponics. 18:42 < JayDugger> Not too helpful. 18:44 < JayDugger> It would be different if I had some real estate, but I don't. 18:57 -!- Bruns [~Bruns@c-68-34-207-23.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:02 < Alystair> god I really wish I had a topic summizer for IRC so I wouldn't have the urge to go check what's been talked about in the last X minutes/hours 19:24 -!- quantumkat [~Kat@ip72-196-125-41.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28 < kanzure> Alystair: you could just uh, ask people 19:39 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:41 < Alystair> but I thought you were a fan of automation 19:48 < kanzure> i am :) just, sometimes you abuse other people until they spontaneously turn into programs 19:48 < kanzure> or something 19:49 -!- quantumkat [~Kat@ip72-196-125-41.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:49 < kanzure> wb quantumkat 19:51 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone. 19:51 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:56 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:09 -!- quantumkat [~Kat@ip72-196-125-41.ga.at.cox.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:23 -!- quantumkat [~Kat@ip72-196-125-41.ga.at.cox.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:40 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 20:43 < fenn> Alystair: you could run a k-means clustering on the last n lines and only return a cluster name or statistically improbable phrases 20:55 < kanzure> < P3P: CP="This is not a P3P policy! See http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=151657 for more info." 20:56 < kanzure> hrm 20:56 < kanzure> fenn: i think it would be fun to run statistically improbable phrases over the logs 20:56 < cluckj> something like fishtastic or flippymagig 20:58 < kanzure> if curl doesn't support P3P i'm going to be pissed 21:45 < kanzure> well my youtube scraper didn't work out as planned 21:45 < kanzure> weird cookie rerouting stuff going on 21:51 -!- tari [~tari@173-26-205-184.client.mchsi.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:04 < genehacker> why are you trying to scrape youtube? 22:05 < bdesk> for its insightful comments 22:09 < AJollyLife> i do belive this is the first ive ever heard someone say youtube and insightful comments together. 22:22 -!- splicer [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:35 -!- tari [~tari@173-26-205-184.client.mchsi.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] --- Log closed Thu Jul 08 00:00:17 2010