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03:58 < jrayhawk> I'm going to reboot the machine gnusha's on to upgrade the kernel.
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09:37 < ENKI-][> ohai
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10:29 < SeH_> http://www.transalchemy.com/2010/07/global-survival-market.html
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11:42 < kanzure> hm streety made a name find
11:42 < kanzure> http://www.google.com/search?q=diybio
11:42 < kanzure> *made a nice find
11:50 < splicer> heh... how did that happen?
11:51 < kanzure> it was a wordpress blo
11:51 < kanzure> *blog
11:57 < splicer> the google crawler acts interesting sometimes.
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12:27 < kanzure> wut's all this? http://synbioworld.org/formboss/output/forms/igem/iGEM_table_prize.php
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13:38 < kanzure> open source hardware definition making its rounds..
13:38 < kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/07/open_source_hardware_-_oshw_draft_d.html
13:38 < kanzure> http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/14/open-source-hardware-community-finally-gets-its-constitution/
13:38 < kanzure> http://lwn.net/Articles/396011/
13:39 < kanzure> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/13/open-source-hardware-3.html
13:39 < kanzure> http://cyberlawsinindia.blogspot.com/2010/07/open-source-hardware-oshw-draft.html
13:39 < kanzure> http://tzechienchu.typepad.com/tc_chus_point/2010/07/opensource-hardware-standards-formally-issued.html
13:39 < kanzure> http://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=1224
13:39 < kanzure> http://jefro.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/open-source-hardware-defined-by-industry-leaders/
13:39 < kanzure> http://softwareobjects.net/technology/2010/07/14/open-source-hardware-standards-formally-issued/
13:43 * fenn yawns
13:43 < kanzure> open source elitism at its finest
13:43 < kanzure> but otherwise nice that they got around to it
13:43 < fenn> how is this different from what they published 4 months ago
13:43 < kanzure> hopefully they will foot the bill for the lawyers too
13:44 < kanzure> fenn: well the difference is that now it's being used for self-promotion of openhardwaresummit.org
13:44 < fenn> i figured that much out already
13:45 < fenn> wanna help me figure out a stupid html problem?
13:45 < kanzure> sure
13:47 < fenn> ok, why is the table rendering more like a vertical list? http://fennetic.net/irc/checklist.html
13:48 < kanzure> because stands for 'table row'
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13:50 < fenn> right. so, why would {{ checklist.as_table }} put in
's everywhere?
13:50 < fenn> i mean, that doesn't really make sense if i want it to be a table
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13:54 < fenn> i'm not the only one, seems painfully basic of a thing to have to hack around http://stackoverflow.com/questions/2233929/horizontal-per-row-forms-in-a-django-formset
14:02 < bdesk> i thought that html tables were from the 90s
14:03 < bdesk> and that web 2.0 only uses canvas, css, and cloud
14:04 < pmetzger> hrm! looks like I can take a machining class this fall...
14:04 < pmetzger> and if I take it, I can probably get access to things like the university's five axis CNC machines afterwards!
14:04 < fenn> bdesk: i'm not smart enough to turn a series of into a table with CSS, apparently
14:04 < fenn> at least it's not immediately obvious how to do that
14:05 < bdesk> i would try to help but i do not know web programming
14:05 < fenn> i used the snippet and it worked (no 's anymore)
14:07 < kanzure> if you want to make elements look like a table you'd have to modify the margins, padding, and border pixel widths
14:07 < kanzure> and probably also set it to a float or blocking display or somesuch
14:08 < fenn> pmetzger: 'probably'
14:08 < fenn> good luck with that
14:08 < pmetzger> I don't know the details.
14:09 < pmetzger> But the engineering school's machine shop exists precisely for people like me (i.e. the doctoral students, faculty, etc.)
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17:09 < kanzure> hi hundred-ideas
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17:31 < kanzure> hah. poor bruce.
17:31 < kanzure> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/13/open-source-hardware-3.html
17:31 < kanzure> "
17:31 < kanzure> "
17:31 < kanzure> Gee, I seem to have written most of that definition. It would have been nice if they'd cited me. - Bruce Perens
17:31 < kanzure> "
17:31 < kanzure> wtf irssi? i only typed two quotes
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17:54 < bdesk> kanzure: you are speaking somewhere tomorrow? it is not the h+ summit or open science summit.
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17:58 < kanzure> bdesk: tomorrow? uh, uh, i don't think so (am i?)
17:59 < bdesk> oh i thought you said thursday
18:00 < kanzure> do you remember when i said anything about this?
18:00 < kanzure> it's entirely possible that you're right
18:00 < kanzure> and i'm really forgetting something super important
18:00 < bdesk> no probably not, i thought you said this yesterday, but if 'thursday' is not in the logs then i'm wrong.
18:07 < kanzure> "Needs some sort of legal barrier. I'm still not able to buy a Chumby in Canada due to them being threatened to be sued by a few companies the moment that they bring it here... It's a fucking alarm clock on steroids, is it really a threat to your media company?"
18:07 < kanzure> hahah chumby can't be sold in canada?
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18:17 < kanzure> aw my sister sits around memorizing pi all day <3
18:17 < kanzure> http://www.youtube.com/user/kaylanRahl
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18:50 < kristianpaul> http://psas.pdx.edu/
18:51 < QuantumG> kanzure: has anyone on the Internet ever asked you about your siblings?
18:53 < QuantumG> I ask because no-one has ever asked me.. offline, no-one has asked me in years.
18:53 < eridu> QuantumG: what about your siblings?
18:53 < QuantumG> whereas, as a kid, I remember that was like the 3rd question you'd ask another kid.
18:53 < cluckj> that's really weird
18:54 < QuantumG> kids get away with a lot of weird stuff :)
18:54 < cluckj> no, I mean that no one has asked you in years
18:55 < QuantumG> heh, really? When was the last time someone asked you if you had any siblings?
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18:57 < QuantumG> (note that I am not :)
19:13 < cluckj> hmm
19:13 < cluckj> couple days ago, I think
19:13 < cluckj> I get asked at least once a week
19:14 < QuantumG> wow. by who? why?
19:15 < cluckj> people who I talk to, and because they're interested, I guess
19:25 < kanzure> just had a long phone call with todd. he gets into some pretty crazy shit
19:27 < JayDugger> Todd Huffman?
19:28 < kanzure> yes
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19:30 < JayDugger> Yeah, he gets around quite a lot.
19:30 < JayDugger> I don't know where he gets the money for it, but he does interesting work.
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19:31 < bdesk> if you are charismatic then people will give you money
19:32 < JayDugger> True. That tactic fails for misanthropes such as me.
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19:34 < JayDugger> kanzure, has T.H. returned from Uganda?
19:36 < kanzure> he just got off a flight back from the middle east today and is in san diego for some geostation conference
19:36 < kanzure> he gets his money from DARPA
19:37 < JayDugger> Ah. Must be nice .
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19:45 < kanzure> QuantumG: i don't think so
19:56 < JayDugger> Good night, all. Time to commute to my employer, which does not get DARPA funding. ;)
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20:51 < fenn> "New people and Newtypes alike are welcome."
20:52 < fenn> kanzure do you have a calendar or some kind of scheduling data management system?
20:54 < fenn> todd is quite a character. he gets into much more than he publishes.. frankly i dont know how he manages to keep so busy
20:55 < fenn> just saw a talk by palantir about their 'horizon' analysis software.. it sorta reminded me of movieOS, you know, something you'd see government officials using on x-files or iron man etc
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20:56 < fenn> i guess it's impressive to do statistical analysis on 400 million records in a few seconds, but i wouldn't know
20:56 < fenn> they seemed quite pleased with what they had done anyway
20:57 < fenn> they didn't know about CYC, which i thought was weird, since they're basically in the same market (intelligence agency analysis software)
20:59 < Joeconyers> Watching now: http://www.palantirtech.com/government/analysis-blog/horizon
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21:05 < Alystair> gnight all
21:06 < kanzure> fenn: my scheduling data management system is a person.
21:09 < kanzure> hrm
21:10 < kanzure> http://extropy.org/public_html/
21:10 < kanzure> http://extropy.org/smf/
21:11 < kanzure> http://extropy.org/wiki/
21:11 < kanzure> i have ftp access to extropy.org
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21:25 < kanzure> hm.. http://extropy.org/ExI%20Strategic%20Plan.pdf
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21:26 < fenn> kanzure, sounds sort of inefficient
21:26 < kanzure> http://www.bioethicsanddisability.org/nanotechnology.html is a major traffic referrer
21:26 < kanzure> http://posthuman.org/
21:26 < fenn> i know you had a stack overflow with the hierarchical todo list, but maybe there's a way of ranking things by importance so that you can drop things below a certain threshold
21:27 < kanzure> "since 1988" hrm..
21:27 < kanzure> perhaps
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21:27 < kanzure> are we talking about a calendar or a todo list?
21:27 < kanzure> or both
21:27 < kanzure> i really want an interface to a calendar/todo system a lot like bugseverywhere has via the shell
21:28 < fenn> they're similar.. if you have multiple events scheduled for the same time, it depends a) where you are at that time and b) how much you care about that event
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21:28 < fenn> i havent used bugseverywhere (i do know what it is though)
21:28 < kanzure> huh biohack.sf.net is another major traffic referral source for extropy.org O_O
21:29 < kanzure> ahead of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_More
21:29 < fenn> odd
21:29 < kanzure> and http://transhuman.org/
21:29 < fenn> so much for conference attending eh
21:29 < kanzure> oh god comic sans ms
21:29 < kanzure> what? conferences?
21:29 < fenn> how much is "direct url"
21:29 < fenn> excluding bots
21:30 < kanzure> it's a webalizer output that i am viewing for 2003 to 2010 (today)
21:30 < kanzure> the top referer is extropy.org itself (wut?) at 18418 hits not adjusted for ots
21:30 < kanzure> *bots
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21:31 < kanzure> huh but the only bot that seems to have any presence is msnbot
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21:32 < fenn> chris rasch gave me an interesting book called 'self-directed behavior', all about keeping track scientifically about what works and what doesn't
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22:02 < kanzure> buh? ftp://ftp.extropy.org/extropy.org
22:03 < kanzure> eheh ftp://ftp.extropy.org/ftp.extropy.org-ftp_log
22:07 < kanzure> so i wonder why the mailing list is hosted here http://andromeda.ziaspace.com/mailman/listinfo.cgi/extropy-chat
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22:20 < kanzure> eugen's master thesis: http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/.html/eleitl-dipl.pdf
22:20 < kanzure> ridiculously old home page: http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/oldpage.html
22:21 < kanzure> aw yeah http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/.html/txt/firesyn.txt
22:22 < kanzure> lots of other text files here: http://leitl.org/oldcontent/ui22204/.html/papers.html
22:24 < kanzure> and lots and lots of files http://leitl.org/oldcontent/docs/ some of which are not on http://eugen.leitl.org/ as far as i can tell
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23:03 < fenn> after a thorough sampling, i have determined that orange magic shell is indeed the best
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