--- Log opened Fri Jul 16 00:00:15 2010 00:00 < fenn> i ate them all, i'm such a bastard 00:02 < splicer> http://www.erhoff.net/images/_jpeg/misc/you___you_eated_my_cookie_873.jpg 00:13 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:18 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36 -!- nsh [~nsh@87.112.74.74.plusnet.ptn-ag2.dyn.plus.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:27 < fenn> todd should start working as a freelance photographer on the side http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4768687556/in/photostream/ 01:39 < fenn> http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4775640234/ 01:45 < splicer> very ...punk 01:46 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-110-194.austin.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:53 < fenn> punk http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4499147749/ 01:55 < fenn> "I don't speak Pashtun, but I'm pretty sure this poster says not to throw rocks at crazy people" 02:01 -!- streety1 [~s0678364@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:07 < splicer> maybe it's 'X marks the spot' so 'Please throw rocks at crazy people' 02:25 -!- streety1 [~s0678364@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:26 -!- streety1 [~s0678364@cpat002.wlan.net.ed.ac.uk] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:44 < fenn> i'm starting to think it'd be a good idea to do a full text indexing search engine on all my digital 'stuff' 02:45 < fenn> wondering where i know the name 'jurvetson' from http://www.flickr.com/photos/oddwick/4188284961/ 02:45 < Utopiah> it is a good idea 02:48 < fenn> http://jurvetson.blogspot.com/2006/07/dichotomy-of-design-and-evolution.html#comments 02:48 < fenn> damn extropians hitting all my filters at once 02:49 < Utopiah> I have a weak hybrid system, using locally some grep scripts and for public content Google (sic) but it's not enough (either out of date of few days or slow locally) 02:50 < fenn> i think i should know this guy... stalk: jurvetson 02:51 < fenn> yeah i did something with namazu in order to search through the piles of cruft since 1994 at an ISP I used to work at 02:51 < fenn> was great when it worked 02:51 < fenn> i dont know how to index pdf's beyond just pdf2txt'ing everything 02:51 < fenn> and no, i'm not switching to OSX 02:51 < fenn> and no, i'm not using whatever silly pdf management system you like 02:52 < bkero> jesus fuck my mind 02:52 < Utopiah> pdf2txt is fine I think if you don't add 20 pdfs a day to your DB 02:52 < Utopiah> I mean I don't think it's a good idea to index content you didn't produce in the first place, other are spending resources on that 02:52 < fenn> 1 pdf, 20 pdf's, what's the difference? 02:53 < fenn> the idea is 'where do i know this from' and then i can grep my own cache 02:53 < fenn> but straight grep takes too long 02:53 < Utopiah> right, well for that I often use Google books 02:53 < Utopiah> I want to use the API to restrict the search space to books I read but didn't bother (so far) 02:54 < fenn> nah, it's too hard to sort through *everything* that exists and try to manually match it up to what i've already seen 02:54 < fenn> google works fine for just finding information, the point is personally relevant info 02:57 < Utopiah> eh yes but if you have public information including for each idea the inspiration the if you search through Google it's personnaly relevant 02:57 < Utopiah> but you have in the first place to spend time saying I had the idea X from book Z, I discover concept C1 through article B, ... tiring 02:58 < fenn> yeah semantic stuff is still "the future" 02:58 < fenn> " 02:59 < Utopiah> if you're into Semantic Wikis, WikiMania talks last weekend were pretty nice http://wikimania2010.wikimedia.org/wiki/Streaming (recording sitll not up yet) 02:59 < fenn> Ryan Somma is a mild-mannered Software Developer by day, and an Amateur Scientist Ninja by night. 02:59 < fenn> Utopiah: sorry i means "natural language processing", not "semantic" 03:00 < fenn> and afaict semantic wiki is awful "database" inspired crap 03:00 < fenn> losing track of the original idea of why a wiki 03:01 < Utopiah> well some semantic tools like http://www.ifi.uzh.ch/ddis/research/semweb/talking-to-the-semantic-web/nlpreduce/ aim at providing NLP queries but... 03:04 < Utopiah> meh will see, maybe IBM Watson could help there, I think NLP is a tough problem 03:06 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558760.dsl.bell.ca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:09 < fenn> no you don't understand.. "semantic" data entry requires a good understanding of whatever ontology you're working in, and the desire to use it. so 99% of the users that just don't give a shit about your ontology will happily wreck the data with good appears-usable contributions that are actually useless 03:10 < fenn> disambiguating a query is the easy part 03:11 < fenn> the original wiki idea was to minimize markup and structure 03:11 < fenn> (and maximize write access) 03:14 < Utopiah> http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiHistory 03:17 < Utopiah> I don't think semantic tools (wikis or not) are nice, I just don't see other solutions 03:20 < fenn> too bad that page doesn't really say anything about the philosophy behind it 03:21 < fenn> they seem to equate wiki with hypercard, which doesn't really make sense to me 03:21 < fenn> ' a collaborative, general-purpose, easy-to-use hypertext system which doesn't require special software on the client side.' 03:22 < Utopiah> regarding "happily wreck the data with good appears-usable" unfortunately yes, more unfortunately I think that's true for any tool, semantic or not, NLP or not 03:22 < fenn> 'What about MUDS? To me, MUDS seem a lot like wikis. Someone creates the base, then the users add pages|rooms|locations which all can access' 03:22 < fenn> Utopiah: sure, vandalism, but i mean unintentionally they will misinterpret your ontology or blithely ignore it 03:23 < fenn> with NLP it's the computer's job to misinterpret what you're saying, but at least it's consistent 03:23 < Utopiah> but even with NLP, people can formulate incorrect queries, no? 03:26 < fenn> "Black Rock Desert in Nevada is the only place in the country with an FAA waiver to shoot up 100,000 feet" 03:26 < fenn> wtf is this country coming to 03:26 < fenn> oh, hmm "on my flight to Estonia for a Skype board meeting" - maybe he's associated with jan talinn 03:27 < fenn> *jaan tallinn, redundancy ftl 03:39 < jrayhawk> Hahaha a MUD version of wikipedia would be fantastic 03:42 < jrayhawk> And, really, meandering through a series of articles and chatting with other meanderers along the way does not seem like a particularly bad approach. 03:46 < fenn> you are in a maze of twisty articles, all alike 03:46 < fenn> a troll is here 03:46 < jrayhawk> You encounter: A mistake! What do you do? (c)orrect (i)gnore (u)se secret cabal of administrators in order to pressure editors into preserving the mistake under philosophically naive rules and semi-democratic bureaucracy? 03:48 < fenn> how come einstein didn't mention the fact that all you have to do is measure the curvature of the earth? http://www.luminousnuminous.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/2.gif 03:51 < jrayhawk> You cast: WP:GNG. The room disappears! You are now in a void. A very angry editor is here. 03:58 < genehacker> Einstein wasn't an experimentalist 03:58 < genehacker> also gravitional acceleration and other acceleration are slightly different according to some new data 03:59 < genehacker> oops gravitational an inertial mass 03:59 < genehacker> actually just forget that 04:00 < genehacker> http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25331/ 04:01 < fenn> all i'm saying is one is flat and the other is curved 04:02 < genehacker> I'm confused 04:06 * fenn mumbles something about mars time 04:08 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:11 < fenn> "steering should be from an iPad with a camera as the only way to see in front" oh yeah that's genius~ 04:11 < fenn> i dont see what the attraction of a non-stowable inflatable boat is 04:12 < fenn> i mean i would want a boat that i can fold up and stuff in the trunk 04:12 < fenn> also, those look like computer graphics renderings 04:13 < genehacker> the hard bottoms are useful for beaching 04:15 < fenn> cool roof though.. would be nice to make a house out of that stuff (aerogel teflon film sandwich) 04:15 < genehacker> most inflatable non stowable boats are used like shuttlecraft on sailboats 04:15 < fenn> i thought aerogel was ungodly expensive though 04:16 < genehacker> well you make aerogel by supercritically drying a gel out, and that's one of the same processes they use to decaffeinate coffee beans 04:16 < genehacker> also there's pyrogels 04:53 < fenn> huh. this photo has almost 400k views http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/751085804/in/set-72057594051805385/ 04:58 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:09 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:10 -!- Joeconyers [~Joe@ool-182fafef.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:20 < fenn> jeebus.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/527333495/ 05:26 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-110-194.austin.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:33 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-158-99.public.utexas.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:49 < fenn> jeeeebus http://www.flickr.com/photos/jurvetson/4650357939/ 05:49 < fenn> that makes me want to cry 05:57 < fenn> The real SpaceX now has a full-size Iron Man statue standing proudly next to the cylon in the breakroom. 05:58 < fenn> guess i should see iron man 2.0 eventually 06:06 < genehacker> ??? 06:11 < fenn> "I was working with my son on his rocket design tonight, grooving on the nomex-honeycomb fins" 06:12 < fenn> some of this stuff sounds like it came from a comic book 06:27 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:37 -!- splicer [~foo@92.39.2.9] has quit [] 06:41 < fenn> hah - founder of flickr accidentally deletes all his photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/stewart/67773575/ 06:42 < fenn> this world is so fucked 06:45 -!- genehacker [~chatzilla@wireless-128-62-158-99.public.utexas.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:14 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 07:14 -!- augur [~augur@216-164-33-76.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:14 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:19 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-76-119-90-161.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:30 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:31 < bdesk> this happened to sergei brin once too, except he accidentally deleted his list of everyones social security, cell phone, and bank account numbers 07:34 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:35 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:39 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:40 -!- Alystair [Alystair@bas1-toronto10-1279558760.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:40 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:45 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:46 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.214.247.202] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:46 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.188.78] has joined #hplusroadmap