--- Log opened Sun Jul 18 00:00:17 2010
00:15 < drazak> kanzure: do you have any idea why cathal says to stay away from incubators?
00:15 < drazak> kanzure: they really aren't all taht dangerous
00:16 < fenn> they'll turn you into a co-founder
00:17 < drazak> lolwat
00:17 < fenn> lolstartups
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00:32 < JayDugger> http://flowingdata.com/2010/07/08/flowchart-shows-the-startup-business-cycle/
00:32 < JayDugger> Needs more smiley faces.
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02:19 < JayDugger> Yesterday at 1000 "Randal A. Koene on Realistic Routes to Substrate Independent Minds" on Teleplace--did anyone attend?
02:24 < Utopiah> JayDugger: http://fabien.benetou.fr/Events/TeleXLR8-01
02:25 < JayDugger> Thank you, Utopiah.
02:25 < Utopiah> np
02:26 < JayDugger> What VM did you use for Teleplace?
02:28 < Utopiah> no it was TelePlace own VM that crashed :/
02:28 < Utopiah> I think it's based on Croquet but Im not sure
02:28 < JayDugger> Oh.
02:28 < Utopiah> didn't really take time on that, was a bit in a hurry ;)
02:28 < JayDugger> No worries. Beggars can't be choosers.
02:30 < Utopiah> http://www.daden.co.uk/pages_virtual_worlds/virtual_worlds_gallery.html also says "Based on the Croquet platform."
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04:04 < masked> who here is bryan
04:04 < masked> i see bryan has written some python apps to read dada from the epoc
04:05 < Utopiah> hi masked , Bryan is probably kanzure (Texas timezone though)
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05:06 < masked> kanzure: hi
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06:46 < kanzure> hi masked
06:47 < JayDugger> Any particular models of pH meters to seek out or to avoid?
06:47 < JayDugger> My girlfriend wants the oddest things...
06:48 < kristianpaul> morning
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07:16 < genehacker> kanzure looks like some people in #emc know a thing or two about  that arm you have
07:16 < genehacker> puma 560 right?
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07:41 < kanzure> genehacker: yep, one of them did an emc conversion on it
07:41 < kanzure> why can't that guy learn to use screen?
07:43 < kyb3R> who knows, reasons vary ;)
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08:26 < kanzure> i wonder if sparkfun will ever do walk-in stores
08:27 < JayDugger> Why?
08:28 < kanzure> well we recently lost our last electronics parts-and-supplies store here in austin, texas
08:28 < JayDugger> Really?
08:28 < kanzure> yes
08:28 < kanzure> and sparkfun seems to be big on theatrics or something
08:28 < JayDugger> No Fry's in Austin? (Yes, but better than nothing...)
08:30 < kanzure> yes there's a fry's
08:31 < JayDugger> I find it hard to believe Mouser doesn't deliver.
08:33 < kanzure> they do deliver
08:33 < kanzure> but i'm talking about a physical-walk-in store
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08:42 < kanzure> hi lepton 
08:43 < kanzure> i haven't been working on step.py lately so i'm getting back to it today
08:43 < lepton> Cool!
08:43 < lepton> Working on shape optimization in FreeFEM made me rather excited for python step file interaction
08:44 < kanzure> were you able to get freefem stuff to work?
08:44 < masked> kanzure: hi
08:44 < kanzure> ooh ooh did you also see the shape optimization demo that freefem has? i think there was one for a pair of pliers?
08:44 < masked> pm
08:44 < kanzure> hi masked
08:44 < kanzure> nah, let's talk about it in here
08:44 < masked> here will do
08:44 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/
08:44 < masked> code
08:45 < kanzure> hrm the files aren't there.. let me dig.
08:45 < masked> in respect to epoc
08:45 < masked> i'm not really a coder
08:45 < masked> one day maybe
08:45 < masked> been using linux tho for about 15 years
08:45 < masked> helped lots with debugging apps etc
08:45 < kanzure> i had this laying around and just uploaded it but it's irrelevant http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/Emotiv.cs
08:46 < masked> this code you're written
08:46 < masked> just reads raw eeg data?
08:47 < kanzure> yeah i have a script around here somewhere that i used to record the raw data coming in from the bluetooth dongle
08:47 < kanzure> so it's still encrypted data
08:47 < kanzure> like dis: http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/kanzure_emotiv_epoc_egg.dat
08:47 < masked> ahh, bluetooth you say
08:47 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure that's what the headset uses to communicate wirelessly
08:48 < masked> yeah, they just said it was proprietary
08:48 < masked> windows of course as you know just sees it as a hid device
08:49 < masked> i have hardly used the thing since i got it
08:50 < kanzure> okay here you go
08:50 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/emotiv.py
08:50 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/emotiv_hid.py
08:50 < masked> hmm dmesg reports loading of hiddev
08:51 < masked> you said encrypted
08:51 < masked> the epoc encrypts its data?
08:52 < kanzure> yes otherwise emotiv would be out of business selling software
08:52 < kanzure> they sell you .exe files that have the encryption keys somewhere in 'em
08:52 < masked> of course, just that there is next to nothing of the device
08:53 < kanzure> what?
08:53 < masked> there is not much to the device, the headset, electrodes, wire to the little space at the back that seems to have the bluetooth etc etc
08:54 < masked> i can't imagine there is much horsepower to encrypt the data with any fancy algorythms
08:55 < masked> i suppose you know of http://openeeg.sf.net
08:55 < masked> the openeeg project?
08:55 < kanzure> yes i know of it
08:56 < kanzure> btw they are using a dsPIC33FJ64GP206 for encryption
08:56 < kanzure> but you could just pop upen the case to look at the chip and read off the number to confirm
08:56 < JayDugger> kanzure, does that string name a component?
08:56 < JayDugger> Ah.
08:57 < masked> does that do any sort of signal processing aswell?
08:57 < masked> excuse my ignorance
08:58 < kanzure> masked: also check out http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-03-08.log
08:58 < masked> i have an old lexicor POD eeg here, great peice of machinary, great software, however it's old and dated DOS stuff
09:00 < masked> doubt that would be encrypted however i don't know that i have a desktop with a parallel port around anywhere to even entertain the idea of it working with openeeg
09:01 < kanzure> so, thesnark was doing a project to just blatantly replace the chips because he thought there was encryption on board
09:01 < kanzure> i guess in retrospect it's possible that there is no encryption
09:02 < kanzure> and maybe it's just me not knowing how to parse the data well enough
09:02 < masked> do you know what to expect as data?
09:02 < masked> oh right-o
09:02 < masked> i do happen to know an EEG technician
09:02 < masked> might pay to contact him
09:03 < kanzure> you could conceivably just hook up an oscilloscope and a logic analyzer to the electrodes on the emotiv and just go from there
09:03 < kanzure> but why not just work with openeeg instead?
09:04 < masked> true.  i can aquire a bluetooth unit that works with some OSS eeg apps
09:04 < masked> however the electrodes are fiddly, i like the idea of the saline electrodes
09:04 < masked> which are easy enough to make up too i guess
09:05 < masked> have you tried wine?
09:05 < kanzure> didn't work with wine but i didn't write down my version numbers or produce a valuable bug report
09:05 < kanzure> i did test to see if everything was working on a microsoft windows laptop though
09:05 < kanzure> (and everything was fine)
09:07 < masked> yes, i have had some odd behaviour with it, but i dare say it's because i operate community wifi from my rooftop
09:12 < masked> anyway
09:12 < masked> good to touch base
09:12 < masked> probably a rather useless chat but all the same, i'll look over what you've done and report back
09:17 < JayDugger> Good night, everyone.
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09:42 < lepton> kanzure: sorry I went away again (too many projects, ah!!)
09:43 < lepton> I was able to make good progress with FreeFEM doing 2D shape optimization for a compliant mechanism
09:43 < lepton> Pulling code from some French example files pretty heavily
09:43 < lepton> However, I have to manually define the volume to be meshed using linear equations
09:43 < lepton> Which is a huge major pain
09:44 < lepton> and that's where I'm at. I'd be interesting on putting together a GUI to bring in mesh data from a step file, or such
09:44 < lepton> because it is capable of doing really cool shape optimization / FEA work
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12:42 < kanzure> http://opencapitalist.org/content/open-source-electronic-manufacturing-line
12:42 < kanzure> " The first and most complex is the actual Pick and Place machine.  We have the software and hardware functional at this time.  They still need some polishing, but the software works and all 4 axis move beautifully.  We are going to offer a standalone pick and place machine for those that can make due with a more manual process."
12:42 < kanzure> hardware functional?
12:42 < kanzure> http://opencapitalist.org/content/open-source-pick-and-place
12:43 < kanzure> http://opencapitalist.org/content/4-axis-stepper-motor-controller
12:43 < kanzure> http://opencapitalist.org/content/open-source-pick-and-place-mechanical
12:43 < kanzure> http://opencapitalist.org/content/pick-and-place-software
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12:44 < kanzure> software is written in "labwindows" (whatever that means)
12:44 < kanzure> i wonder if that's a ripoff of labview
12:58 < lepton> I cringe every time labview is mentioned
13:00 < kanzure> well hopefully darren actually has something of value
13:00 < kanzure> he claims he has designed and built a working pick-and-place machine
13:00 < kanzure> he also claims he's going to license it as open source :)
13:00 < kanzure> (check the om post)
13:02 < lepton> Cool! I'll have to check that not
13:02 < lepton> for now: lunch
13:02 < lepton> check that out*
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13:44 < kanzure> is there a treediff out there for comparing two trees?
13:45 < klafka> kanzure, you can use a graph kernel
13:46 < klafka> although i think that for trees you could probably more efficiently compare them than that
13:56 < kanzure> i have written lots of graph theory code stuff in the past but i'm not sure how i would represent the output or something
13:56 < kanzure> i guess the diff part can be done by a breadth-first or depth-first search of some sort plus ranking of possible node origins or whatever
14:01 < klafka> so you basically want to compute a binary tree isomorphism?
14:01 < klafka> or see if two binary trees are isomorphic?
14:03 < klafka>  I gues since you're probably dealing with a rooted tree this is not so hard
14:03 < klafka> you can do DFS to figure it out pretty simply i'd say
14:06 < kanzure> i'm just tired of having to manually do it
14:06 < kanzure> especially since it's between two documents where the numbering is different but the structure isn't
14:07 < kanzure> er, the order of the elements is written in the file in a different way, which thereby determines the numbering of those elements, even though the tree ends up having the same structure anyway
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16:06 < kanzure> http://www.spi.stewdle.com/?page_id=29 "open source manufacturing - our definition" it's uh just a bulletpoint outline that doesn't say anything new
16:11 < QuantumG> is anyone calling you guys communists yet?
16:19 < kanzure> patrick anderson maybe
16:19 < QuantumG> that's when Free Software really took off
16:19 < QuantumG> hate == press
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16:48 < kanzure> hi bdesk
16:49 < bdesk> sup
16:53 < fenn> this is a neat demo, move the mouse horizontally across a curve http://interactionartist.com/classic/gameloader.php?GAME_NAME=TopograTouch
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17:11 < bdesk> anyone know who drew the 'omg i missed the singularity' ad?
17:14 < bdesk> it is one of my favorite things on the internet
17:14 < kanzure> it's based off of something else that is supposedly popular and that i should know about but don't
17:15 < bdesk> lichtenstein
17:15 < kanzure> yes
17:15 < bdesk> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/df/Roy_Lichtenstein_Drowning_Girl.jpg
17:19 < kanzure> bdesk: do you have a link to the ad? i'll ask david orban and he should know
17:20 < kanzure> actually, wait
17:20 < kanzure> i'm pretty sure i saw that first from hplusmagazine, so i should ask james instead
17:20 < bdesk> http://www.boingboing.net/images/Aaad-omg-read-hplus.jpg
17:20 < bdesk> it's not a big deal, i'm just curious to see other work by the artist.
17:23 < kanzure> ok give it a few days and i might have something for you
17:54 < kanzure> nice video of the WISE project http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWT66OtVKuk
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17:57 < kanzure> oh and a grad student on the project dropping in on slashdot: http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1723156&cid=32941180
18:00 < kanzure> "Most of the low-hanging fruit has been plucked, says Neyarapally. We now have to delve further to identify and understand the molecules that maybe aren't so neatly and clearly correlated with the disease that we're trying to understand but are highly connected 'key nodes' in a network that enables the disease to occur."
18:07 < bdesk> so that quote is saying that they have already looked at highly correlated molecules, and this failed, so now they will look at molecules with lower correlation, and they will look at the 'highly connected' low correlation molecules first?
18:09 < fenn> bdesk: i think it was drawn by r.u. sirius
18:10 < fenn> or at least remixed
18:10 < bdesk> hah, that would make a lot of sense.
18:10 < klafka> that man has one of my favorite quoets
18:10 < klafka> quotes
18:11 < klafka> "back when i was a kid I used to do a lot of acid, now that i'm older I eat a lot of antacid"
18:11 < bdesk> because it seems more dada than kurzweil
18:11 < kanzure> bdesk: well not necessarily because anything "failed". it was just a general description of systems biology applied to disease or something
18:12 < kanzure> yeah so i met ken once
18:12 < kanzure> shared a car ride with him
18:12 < kanzure> he seemed about as there as ozzy osbourne
18:12 < klafka> ken = r.u. sirius ?
18:13 < kanzure> yes
18:13 < kanzure> i can't believe he conned them into paying him $7k/mo for hplusmagazine.com
18:14 < bdesk> it is worth it.
18:14 < klafka> damn
18:15 < klafka> can't be all crazy then :P
18:15 < kanzure> bdesk: no.. have you read any of the articles?
18:15 < klafka> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mbk4yaPdurI
18:15 < kanzure> he's the "editor"
18:16 < bdesk> he's trollin, and without his touch i would be completely uninterested in hplus.
18:16 < bdesk> well i would be interested in spinoff projects, but not hplus itself.
18:17 < kanzure> are you talking about the organization with the name humanity+ or the concept of hplus?
18:17 < bdesk> i'm talking about the tone of the movement.
18:21 < bdesk> kanzure: for example, http://www.differenceengines.com/?p=319
18:22 < bdesk> "I'm not sure this magazine means it ironically but the graphic is funny nonetheless."
18:22 < bdesk> "Yeah, the transhuman crowd doesn't do irony."
18:22 < bdesk> "I attended the Transhumanism conference at Irvine in Dec 2009 - the highlight of which was meeting the delightful R. U. Sirius"
18:23 < kanzure> (that's when i met ken)
18:23 < kanzure> he wasn't funny at all.. just completely stoned and oblivious to what was going on around him
18:25 < klafka> they do seem right though, transhumanists take themselves kind of seriously
18:25 < klafka> :P
18:26 < kanzure> actually i find that a lot of them are comedic geniuses
18:26 < kanzure> just.. not under the spotlight
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18:50 < bdesk> the hplus magazine is dead?
18:59 < kanzure> ownership is being transferred around
18:59 < kanzure> james owns it, but is giving it to the board of directors of humanity+, blah blah blah
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19:30 < kanzure> gee google_ad_section_start looks like a way to game the system
19:30 < kanzure> <!-- google_ad_section_start --> dwi austin texas <!-- google_ad_section_end -->
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19:55 < kanzure> nootropics discussion on hacker news http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1524757
19:56 < eridu> I wonder how this stacks up to the reddit discussion
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20:01 < kanzure> eridu: link?
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20:03 < eridu> kanzure: the one you linked to on transhumanism in general
20:03 < eridu> kanzure: apples to oranges, I guess
20:03 < kanzure> ah
20:03 < eridu> kanzure: I just don't have that high an opinion of hacker news
20:04 < eridu> it seems very conservative and full of people who love to see themselves type
20:04 < kanzure> the HN link i just dumped is much more focused on provigil and anecdotes 
20:04 < kanzure> conservative?
20:04 < kanzure> huh
20:04 < eridu> in the general sense
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20:08 < kanzure> diybio-nyc should do a sequencing field trip to the statue of liberty
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20:12 < kanzure> stalk: robert tercek
20:12 < kanzure> oh he's the guy who does oprah
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21:47 < kanzure> hrm where did all this come from http://openwetware.org/wiki/Talk:DIYbio:Notebook/Open_Gel_Box_2.0/Power_Supply
21:47 < kanzure> probably jonathan 
21:50 < fenn> bkero: did you link to this once upon a time? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUZIE78ZK_A
22:03 < bkero> fenn: no
22:12 < kanzure> ian and i were talking and i uploaded this for him
22:12 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/openpcr_kickstarter_people.txt
22:12 < kanzure> there are some interesting names on that list that you wouldn't have expected
22:13 < kanzure> Endre Sebestyén for instance (blue obelisk)
22:14 < kanzure> http://drop.io/openpcr_kickstarter_1
22:14 < fenn> another powers-of-ten-like flash animation that takes too long to download: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/525347
22:17 < fenn> i only recognize a few diybio names
22:17 < kanzure> http://github.com/jperfetto/openpcr
22:19 < kanzure> well at least josh does some programming like his job title claims he does :/
22:20 < kanzure> no make files?
22:20 < kanzure> and no license..
22:20 < Ian_Daniher> kanzure: we should ask them for the license for their github files.
22:20 < kanzure> it's pretty worthless.. look at the code
22:20 < fenn> what did they actually release the files?
22:20 < kanzure> fenn: nah just some hardcore hax0ring :P
22:21 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: by that he means I paid $1 and poked around a bit
22:21 < kanzure> check the drop.io link
22:21 < kanzure> password protection on https://drop.io/openpcr_kickstarter_2/login
22:22 < kanzure> what do you think? password: diybio4ever
22:22 < kanzure> ?
22:22 < Ian_Daniher> nah
22:22 < kanzure> 'dnapoliii'?
22:23 < kanzure> oh wait there's password protection on everything that doesn't exist
22:24 < kanzure> http://picasaweb.google.com/TitoJankowski/KickstarterUpdate#
22:24 < fenn> arrg chrome "knows" to use openoffice to view .csv files but doesn't know how to deal with a pdf?
22:24 < kanzure> openoffice for .csv seems like overkill :/
22:25 < fenn> no shit
22:25 < fenn> OO is overkill for anything
22:25 < kanzure> it's like using a tank to declaw a kitty
22:27 < Ian_Daniher> fenn: http://uploads.ungrounded.net/525000/525347_scale_of_universe_ng.swf
22:27 < kanzure> if anyone has a domain name with private whois deets and is otherwise anonymous, please send me a message :/
22:27 < kanzure> it turns out i don't
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22:33 < Ian_Daniher> anyone know spanish?
22:33 < kanzure> i know a little
22:33 < kanzure> ybit2 knows some, and fenn may or may not know spanish-in-japanese
22:34 < kanzure> http://www.arquitecturabiologica.cl
22:34 < fenn> sou desu ne, amigo
22:34 < fenn> but google is easier to use
22:35 < kanzure> fenn: i need to buy you a sombrero
22:36 < fenn> a bicycle sombrero
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22:37 < fenn> a sombrero that doubles as a bicycle wheel?
22:37 < fenn> woah sweet http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/02/07/sombrero-flame-thrower/
22:38 < kanzure> it's modern because of the x in the name
23:50 < kanzure> oh look
23:50 < kanzure> http://abundancestudies.org/openpcr/
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