--- Log opened Mon Aug 23 00:00:17 2010
00:00 < clemux> but real time physics-LaTeX on an eeepc... I wonder how I managed that
00:00 < clemux> now that I have a real laptop, it seems unthinkable :)
00:02 < clemux> kanzure: nice
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00:02 < clemux> maybe I should try again next semester
00:03 < clemux> I gave up when I started college
00:13 < drazak> kanzure: how much room does your non-books non-binary stuff take up?
00:13 < drazak> kanzure: a couple gig?
00:31 < kanzure> i'm having trouble figuring otu what that includes. articles that aren't a part of books?
00:32 < drazak> uhmm
00:32 < drazak> well
00:32 < drazak> lets say everything you want to host that isn't something illegal to host
00:36 < kanzure> definitely less than 100 GB i guess
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02:03 < joshcryer> Hey kanzure, sup with your site?
02:05 < joshcryer> Oh wow, I just now realized what hplus means in hplusroadmap.
02:34 < QuantumG> heh
02:34 < joshcryer> QuantumG, heh
02:34 < joshcryer> you lurk in many channels huh
02:35  * joshcryer came to bug kanzure about his site 'cause he wanted some info from kanzure's epic bookmarks
02:47 < QuantumG> yep
02:51 < phryk> heh
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03:11 < Utopiah> out of curiosity, anybody know what software http://sites.google.com/a/braincorporation.com/test/technology image comes from?
03:18 < jrayhawk> joshcryer: that server is having problems; he seems to be using archive.org to reference its contents at the moment.
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06:18 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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08:26 < kanzure> wow what? socialgold (an online currency api i use for some of my projects) has been acquired by google
08:30 < kanzure> QuantumG: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3271649
08:30 < kanzure> from the pete mosden folks
08:31 < kanzure> "There's another thread of interest in there, involving an organization that aims to become the "sourceforge.net" of aerospace engineering. Their site should be ready within another week or so, as a collaborative development environment, skill-matching social network, and space science/engineering knowledgebase."
08:31 < kanzure> "It also happens, their first official act will be a grant of approximately 5000$ towards Copenhagen Suborbitals. We have raised about 1500$ so far."
08:31 < kanzure> http://osm.chipin.com/osm-jul-2010
08:31 < kanzure> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3335167
08:32 < kanzure> more on "open space movement" http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3288027
08:32 < kanzure> http://www.copenhagensuborbitals.com/
08:34 < kanzure> http://www.osmdevel.org/
08:34 < kanzure> http://www.osmdevel.org/projects/4
08:35 < kanzure> okay so they're just using drupal? what's the point
08:39 < kanzure> holy shit where do these people come from? http://www.osmdevel.org/node/41
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09:25 < Daeken> kanzure: haha, wow, i was trying to figure out who here was bryan bishop... totally didn't realize it was you ;)  i just found this channel via a mention on the emotiv forums.  i'm currently reverse-engineering it, and wondering if your python stuff talks to the device directly or via the actual sdk
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09:55 < kanzure> hi Daeken 
09:55 < kanzure> Daeken: my python talks to the usb/hdi controller for the bluetooth device (which communicates data from the headset)
09:56 < kanzure> however, there are ways to use the library/sdk-- but i haven't tried anything on that route yet
09:56 < Daeken> kanzure: ah, so you deal with the encryption and such directly?
09:56 < kanzure> i sent back my emotiv to a friend (the original owner) recently but i recorded some raw data streams so presumably i can hook that back up and then one day fiddle with the sdk or something (dunno)
09:56 < kanzure> right
09:57 < Daeken> is your source public, by any chance?  i'm currently hacking on it from deadlistings of assembly, with no hardware to play around with haha
09:57 < kanzure> yes i have it around here somewhere. uhh.. /me finds
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09:59 < kanzure> oh it figures. half of it is on a presently-dead server.
09:59 < kanzure> but here is what you want from me:
09:59 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/emotiv.py
09:59 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/emotiv_hid.py
09:59 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/possible_AES_keys.txt
09:59 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/Emotiv.cs
09:59 < Daeken> awesome -- thanks :)
09:59 < kanzure> http://designfiles.org/~bryan/emotiv/epoc/kanzure_emotiv_epoc_egg.dat
10:00 < kanzure> it's not as helpful as you think (since the server is dead)
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10:00 < kanzure> hi Alystair 
10:00 < Daeken> ah, haha
10:00 < kanzure> lemme see if i can upload it elsewhere
10:02 < Daeken> cool, thanks
10:03 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/irc/emotiv/epoc/
10:05 < kanzure> am i doing something wrong in .htaccess? AddType text/plain .py
10:06 < Daeken> hmm, don't know, but grabbed them all.  thanks a ton
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10:09 < Daeken> did you ever narrow down what the AES key is?  i can see where the rijndael initialization stuff takes place, so i should be able to pull the key out fairly easily.
10:09 < Daeken> can't wait to get one of these headsets and hack the hell out of it :P
10:10 < kanzure> rijndael?
10:10 < Daeken> AES
10:10 < kanzure> i don't have my notes on me (obviously) but i did narrow down a few things.. i didn't get it exactly though
10:10 < kanzure> how is rijndael related to AES?
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10:11 < Daeken> rijndael is the actual algorithm name that became the advanced encryption standard
10:11 < kanzure> oh
10:11 < Daeken> i just call it that out of habit haha
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10:12 < Daeken> i found the md5 init/update/finalize methods, rijndael initialization/encryption/decryption, and the crypto++ code that ties it all together.  it's just a pain in the ass to figure out where things are called from, due to it being C++.  vtables make my life hell :P
10:12  * kanzure nods
10:12 < kanzure> yes i found crypto++ too
10:12 < Daeken> but if i break on the initialization stuff, i'll be able to see the key in memory.  should be pretty straightforward
10:13 < kanzure> i mean, signs that they used it
10:13 < kanzure> ah you actually have windows?
10:13 < kanzure> that probably makes the task a little bit easier
10:13 < Daeken> yea, i just want to be able to access the raw EEG stuff from wherever i feel like
10:14 < kanzure> me too
10:14 < kanzure> so, one of those .py files will help you do raw recording (at least on linux) of the data
10:14 < kanzure> but it's still encrypted
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10:14 < kanzure> and i'm not sure how i would decrypt it anyway.. i guess at the start of each frame or something?
10:14 < kanzure> i don't know :)
10:14 < kanzure> jrayhawk: what's wrong with my .htaccess in /srv/www/diyhpl.us/irc/?
10:15 < kanzure> hi QuantumG. did you see my linkdump earlier today about copenhagen space?
10:15 < Daeken> well, a few questions: 1) is the length of the data a multiple of 16?  2) does the header look like it's not particularly random?
10:16 < kanzure> QuantumG: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-08-23.log
10:16 < Daeken> my guess would be that the whole hid packet is probably encrypted, in which case the data should be a multiple of 16.
10:17 < Daeken> and it should look decently random, although i believe they're using AES in ECB mode, so it won't be crazy
10:17 < kanzure> 1) each "read" from the usb device was about 30 to 52 characters long
10:17 < kanzure> check out the .dat file for some raw reads
10:17 < Daeken> ahhh, ok
10:17 < Daeken> sweet.
10:17 < kanzure> i was doing this: hid_interrupt_read(interface0, 0x82, 32, 4)
10:18 < kanzure> the parameters are: hidif, ep, bytes, size, timeout
10:18 < kanzure> hrm i wonder if i arbitrarily chose 32
10:19 < Daeken> wow, ok, yea, that's ECB :P
10:19 < kanzure> emacs code browser?
10:20 < Daeken> lots of patterned data in the .dat
10:20 < Daeken> electronic codebook -- each block gets encrypted on its own.  you'll see lots of common data
10:21 < kanzure> but i'm not sure if i was just dicking around and- due to my own error- the length of the lines are arbitrary and not relate to anything going on in the devices
10:21 < kanzure> btw it looks like emotiv.py uses the python "usb" library which should be fairly standard across platforms.. so if you actually have an emotiv..
10:22 < kanzure> oh man. i so wish that there's a random line in the .dat file-- anything, really, like a quote from timothy leary, a quote from adolf hitler, something.
10:22 < Daeken> yea, but it does look like they're encrypted end-to-end.  can't see much more than that, but that's ok
10:23 < kanzure> "THINK4URSELF. QUESTION ATHRTY" dunno how to get the size down small enough :P
10:23 < Daeken> haha
10:25 < kanzure> before i forget, there's been a number of others who have come in here asking about this
10:26 < kanzure> at the very least: thesnark (michael grube), masked
10:26 < kanzure> hah! 20:41 < kanzure> how stupid. it blinks when the buffer is read from on the dongle
10:26 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-03-05.log
10:26 < Daeken> ah, cool
10:27 < kanzure> also some other stuff about the encryption here:
10:27 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-08.log
10:28 < kanzure> the discussion with masked: http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-07-18.log
10:29 < kanzure> thesnark has been in here a number of times to mention his openeeg/emotiv-epoc hacking projects
10:29 < kanzure> one is to increase the number of channels (up to 32) of an openeeg device
10:29 < Daeken> oh wait, he's the dude behind openeeg, or just hacks on it?
10:29 < kanzure> the other is replacing the digital signal processor in an emotiv (he suspects it's what's doing the encryption)
10:29 < kanzure> hacks on it
10:29 < Daeken> ahh
10:30 < kanzure> speaking of which, where are either of them?
10:30 < Daeken> my main concern is publishing code to hack the emotiv in various ways, then them updating the firmware and making it all null and void :P
10:31 < Daeken> so for the community's sake, i'm hoping it's a PITA for them to roll out an update ;)
10:31 < kanzure> honestly the software that i have seen from them so far doesn't make me think they have the most stellar software team
10:31 < kanzure> it looks like it might even be an outsourcing job (which is weird, since they are already in the philippines)
10:31 < kanzure> like to a .NET shop or something
10:32 < Daeken> indeed
10:32 < Daeken> hmm.... >:)
10:32 < kanzure> worst case scenario is they hire whoever hacks it? but that's not their style
10:33 < Daeken> i just had a sick idea.  i can hook the HID api, emulate the presense of an emotiv device, then grab the key out of the AES initialization when it connects/communicates.
10:33 < kanzure> why do you need HID for that
10:33 < kanzure> i don't think it communicates the key to the device ;)
10:33 < Daeken> just to make it think there's an emotiv device there, so it initializes the crypto
10:34 < kanzure> QuantumG: ffs, isn't this your job?
10:35 < Daeken> btw, how the hell have i not heard of this channel before?  haha
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10:38 < masked> i see emotiv will be releasing some linux support very soon
10:40 < kanzure> Daeken: we are as mysterious as ninjas *not lame pose*
10:40 < kanzure> Daeken: there we go, here's masked
10:41 < kanzure> masked: can you drop a link about that? sounds cool
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10:42 < kanzure> Utopiah: this is probably completely unnecessary but i relayed your question on to eugene izhikevich (at brain corporation now)
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10:43 < masked> http://www.emotiv.com/forum/forum4/topic97/#message4891
10:43 < masked> obvious discussion there ;)
10:43 < Daeken> hey masked 
10:44 < masked> Daeken: 
10:44 < kanzure> masked: i seem to have posted in that thread O_o
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10:44 < masked> oh yer lol i think thats how i found you in the first place!
10:45 < Daeken> so, i should be able to pull the key out of the edk Real Soon Now (TM).  from there, it shouldn't be terribly difficult to figure out what exactly is going on... in theory, i should be able to emulate a headset, which will let me figure out the protocol
10:45 < kanzure> "The Research version is a little further away because (for some reason) Linux doesn't seem to support Microsoft .NET very well" wtf
10:45 < masked> yer lol
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10:46 < Daeken> i have a feeling that there's no key exchange wizardry or anything of the like going on... from what i'm seeing, they just don't really care about locking down the device.  if they did, they would've at least changed the aes s-box or somesuch :P
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10:47 < Daeken> but when i see standard s-boxes, no obfuscation, no packing... it makes me think that it's all straightforward
10:47 < kanzure> "Well... we're collecting beta testers and there's a version already out there for the Developer SDK. Our current problem relates to video card driver versions in different Linux builds." 
10:47 < kanzure> ^ i think you're doing it wrong if your eeg device driver depends on anything related to video cards
10:48 < Daeken> haha
10:48 < masked> mmm
10:48 < masked> however the sdk does use some 3d rendering
10:49 < Daeken> masked: i take it you have an epoc headset?
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10:49 < masked> correct
10:50 < kanzure> "<impatientBossWhoKeepsMakingPromisesBasedOnPromise­sFromTeam>not quite yet</impatientBossWhoKeepsMakingPromisesBasedOnPro­misesFromTeam>"
10:50 < masked> at least he appears human
10:50 < Daeken> would you be willing, at some point, to run a test script to see if the crypto stuff actually works, once i grab the key?  it's all well and good to emulate the other side, but making sure it works with the real hardware would be cool
10:51 < masked> sure
10:51 < Daeken> great
10:51 < kanzure> Daeken: i thought you had one too?
10:51 < Daeken> kanzure: not yet -- totally working off the edk binaries right now haha
10:51 < masked> when i actually get a chance may not be straight away, but i can do it
10:52 < Daeken> yea, that's cool
10:53 < kanzure> oh mighty saurik, please bestow upon us mumble mumble mumble
10:53 < Daeken> my plan is to hook the hid/siusbxp imports from the edk and make it think that i have a device connected... from there, i can break on the AES initialization to get the key(s), then emulate the behavior of the headset.  if the crypto stuff works, it should be possible to feed the EDK any data i feel like, from my emulated headset
10:54 < kanzure> btw take a stroll through the symbols in the dll files. it's fairly revealing of how "sophisticated" their signal processing is (some simple gaussians and such)
10:54 < masked> plug some tcp/ip andi can feed your edk :P
10:55 < Daeken> masked: ahhh... damn, that's a fine idea.
10:55 < masked> yeh i had a feeling it was not as advanced as they made it out to be!
10:56 < kanzure> well, they are just symbol names of course :) but heck, they are using .NET
10:57 < Daeken> what exactly are they using .NET for?  i've only looked at edk.dll, thus far.
10:57 < Daeken> well, and the .NET wrapper they ship with it
10:59 < kanzure> wow did i honestly forget to make a .iso of the CD i shipped back?
11:00 < Daeken> any idea what the siusbxp stuff is used for?  i'm wondering if it's for device initialization or somesuch, before the HID stuff kicks in.
11:00 < masked> envelope wasn't a cd-rom?
11:00 < kanzure> masked: what?
11:00 < masked> nevermind
11:00 < kanzure> i don't have an epoc any more :(
11:00 < masked> uh, why?
11:00 < kanzure> it was a friend's
11:01 < masked> Daeken: neg
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11:01 < fenn> here i was thinking that you spent your top secret funding on it
11:01 < kanzure> when i was shipping it back to whoever, they asked if i wanted to insure it and for how much
11:01 < kanzure> so i looked it up and was really disappointed with how cheap it is
11:02 < kanzure> i mean, i thought this was a >$500 product
11:02 < masked> Daeken: i know not what siusbxp is.
11:03 < kanzure> fenn: phone call with the darpa peeps in an hour.. i'll take a transcript but anything i should bring up?
11:03 < kanzure> this is the call with the contractors up in washington
11:03 < kanzure> there's.. 15 people "on the call" O_o but presumably most of them are busy/disinterested
11:03 < Daeken> masked: hmm, this is all pretty interesting.
11:09 < masked> yep
11:09 < masked> and once again it's 4am and i'm not asleep
11:09 < Daeken> haha
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11:50 < Utopiah> kanzure: thanks, let me know when you get the answer
11:52 < fenn> no, like i said i have no idea about any of this politics/bureaucracy stuff
11:57 < kanzure> gee i hope i have the right number. i'm on hold because nobody else is on the call?
11:59 < Daeken> sweet... groundwork is laid for emulating the epoc.  just going to have to talk to a socket and feed it raw data... so in theory, you'll be able to control emotiv apps from the other side of the world :P
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12:02 < Utopiah> Daeken: with what app are you interfacing it with?
12:04 < Daeken> Utopiah: none, at the moment.  i'm just writing a general set of hooks for edk, to capture the accesses to HID/siusbxp/setupapi.  from there, i can attach it to any emotiv app, and a little python script i'm writing to emulate the headset... from there, getting the crypto all figured out should be easy, and then i can reverse the protocol (trivial)
12:05 < Utopiah> ok, are you documenting the process on your website? checked http://openvibe.inria.fr ?
12:06 < Daeken> not documenting the process, but i'll be releasing all the code and writing a blog post up once i'm done
12:06 < Daeken> and no, haven't seen it
12:07 < Daeken> oh cool.  hmm
12:07 < Daeken> once i document the protocol and crypto, it shouldn't be hard for someone to implement an openvibe acquisition module for the epoc
12:08 < Daeken> oh nice, you can actually feed it data over the network
12:08 < Daeken> i'll have to hack something together for that.  thanks for the info
12:10 < Utopiah> np, glad if it helps
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13:09 < jrayhawk> kanzure: i am not a big fan of distributed configuration files due to their impact on maintainability and performance; you can just put in a <directory> entry in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/005-diyhpl.us-piny instead, or make that particular change globally if you have no .py files to execute.
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13:24 < kanzure> Utopiah: "This is from my PNAS 2008 paper (see Izhikevich.org)"
13:24 < kanzure> not very helpful
13:24 < kanzure> fenn: just got off the call.. dunno
13:25 < Utopiah> http://izhikevich.org/human_brain_simulation/Blue_Brain.htm#Simulation of Large-Scale Brain Models 
13:25 < kanzure> http://github.com/kitplummer/pachuber
13:25 < kanzure> http://www.pachube.com/
13:25 < Utopiah> doesn't really answer the question
13:25 < kanzure> nope
13:26 < Utopiah> hmm I wonder if I could an image similarity search restriced to research papers to find the software
13:28 < Utopiah> yeay... reverse search engine found.. the same image, how useful
13:30 < kanzure> fenn: sent you a transcript
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13:53 < kanzure> that conference call totally sapped the life force right out of me
14:05 < katsmeow-afk> may i ask why/how/what-means ?
14:08 < kanzure> i don't know how they did it
14:09 < kanzure> bureaucracy just has that effect on me
14:09  * katsmeow-afk nods
14:09 < kanzure> i'd much rather just hate people and curl up in a corner :)
14:10  * katsmeow-afk offers to built kanzure a boat too
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14:14 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: http://pastebin.ca/1923655
14:15 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't write that
14:15 < kanzure> i know.
14:17 < katsmeow-afk> is there more background on it?
14:17 < kanzure> on what?
14:17 < kanzure> no, this is just a random poem i am reminded of
14:17 < kanzure> (actually it was written by alter-kat who you don't know)
14:17 < kanzure> when you were gone we had a replacement for you
14:17 < katsmeow-afk> oh
14:18 < katsmeow-afk> there should always be kats around
14:19 < katsmeow-afk> yrs ago, if i would get drunk in depression , and pass out, i would dream in poetry with a mideval flavor 
14:20 < katsmeow-afk> but i have had no love since ~1990, and this hasn't happened since
14:21 < katsmeow-afk> most of my muses left me, or got bricked over
14:37 < nsh> someone will find the bones eventually
14:43 < kanzure> hi nsh!
14:46 < nsh> hey kanz
14:46 < nsh> how's the signal?
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14:51 < kanzure> http://nmap.org/favicon/
14:51 < kanzure> nsh: tastes like noise today.
14:55 < nsh> mm
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15:21 < nsh> man
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15:21 < kanzure> nsh: /
15:21 < kanzure> ?
15:22 < nsh> just hard to understand how some people can be so stupid
15:23 < nsh> for example, to have tcpdump running on their enterprise webhosting server
15:23 < nsh> and leave the dumps word-readable
15:23 < nsh> it would take actual palpable effort for me to be that insecure
15:28 < jrayhawk> Other than them sucking the life out of you, how did the DARPA call go?
15:29 < kanzure> jrayhawk: it went fine
15:29 < kanzure> the only negative thing to come out of it is that they might want a large 10 person dev team :(
15:29 < kanzure> but other than that, everything else was great
15:29 < kanzure> i think even a team of 6 people would be large (for programming)
15:30 < jrayhawk> Presumably whomever you don't want programming can work on the actual packaging.
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15:31 < kanzure> oh you mean real work? :) that would be cool
15:32 < kanzure> i got the distinct feeling that they don't know what they are doing (in terms of how to make this blow people's brains out) but they know the bureaucratic mess
15:34 < jrayhawk> Seems like it'd apply fairly directly to the field-deployed fabs you linked to a few days ago.
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15:35 < nsh> kanzure, what's this regarding?
15:36 < kanzure> nsh: DARPA funding for skdb
15:36 < nsh> oh, that would be nice
15:37 < kanzure> i feel like han solo. "my team's ready but..."
15:38 < kanzure> "My team's ready but I don't have a command crew"
15:38 < kanzure> off to mom's. anyone want to come?
15:39 < jrayhawk> we can have a telemomference
15:39 < kanzure> she'll talk your ear off
15:39 < kanzure> imagine me, my exuberance, except a woman and unstoppable :(
15:40 < jrayhawk> programs are language, so you just need to teach her to talk in haskell and we'll be all set
15:41 < jrayhawk> With DARPA funding on the table, you can let your mom know that you might be the next Hans Reiser!
15:42 < kanzure> didn't he kill someone?
15:42 < kanzure> (also i'm not here)
15:43 < jrayhawk> no he was a fine upstanding citizen who always got along well with his peers
15:44 < kanzure> the channel snarkmark is ~ appended to a sarcastic sentence
15:44 < jrayhawk> did you drop out of middle and/or highschool?
15:57 < nsh> highschool dropped out of me
16:18 < nsh> oh, it's south africa's largest hosting company
16:18  * nsh sighs
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17:50 < ybit> kanzure: is adl.serveftp.org ever going back online? there are a few papers that i'm missing
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17:59 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
17:59 < QuantumG> hey
18:07 < kanzure> ybit: future uncertain :)
18:08 < ybit> o noes
18:08 < ybit> well, i will have to find someone with access willing to setup a proxy again
18:08 < ybit> i've been spoiled and i can't go back
18:09 < ybit> i wonder why kenneth hayworth uses a fib instead of an sem when taking images of the brain
18:09 < kanzure> because it's what his professor has
18:10 < ybit> oh, it's not him who did it anyway
18:10 < ybit> http://www.jneurosci.org/cgi/content/full/28/12/2959
18:11 < ybit> the uni here finally received an sem, some professor was showing it off to me a couple months ago
18:14 < ybit> kanzure: you're in austin, right? 
18:14 < ybit> why can't you just walk down to the ADL and jank the computer? :)
18:15 < ybit> or, i dunno.. there has to be some way to retrieve the data 
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18:17 < ybit> i've a nice .45 caliber pistol if you need an accomplice ;)
18:18 < kanzure> wow this actually works as advertized
18:18 < kanzure> http://beziereditor.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php
18:19 < kanzure> ybit: because the computer is bolted to the desk
18:20 < katsmeow-afk> can't you use a new desk too?
18:22 < kanzure> this is quickly becoming dangerously similar to stealing
18:22 < kanzure> i'm no hans reiser
18:22 < ybit> i've a ski mask if you need one
18:22 < kanzure> aww shucks
18:22 < genehacker> WTF are you doing?
18:22  * kanzure wonders how to draw perfect semi-circles with bezier curves
18:23 < kanzure> for some value of perfect
18:23 < genehacker> bezier curves don't like to circle
18:23 < genehacker> use a b-spline
18:23 < kanzure> that's why i said semi :) it's an arc
18:23 < genehacker> I need to read more about b-splines
18:23 < genehacker> why?
18:24 < kanzure> because my python/CAD thing needs a visualizer with it
18:24 < kanzure> and before i can render cylinders and other primitives i need to be able to visualize arcs and circles (so that they can be extruded)
18:25 < kanzure> i'd like to have a copy of one of the winners from this: http://www.cs.caltech.edu/courses/cs171/assignments/hw5.shtml
18:25 < kanzure> it's a glu/glut nurbs editor homework assignment
18:26 < QuantumG> what happened to the glu nurbs code you found?  not good enough?
18:27 < kanzure> the reason i was looking into the glu nurbs stuff was two fold
18:27 < kanzure> (1) for an actual rendering mechanism (check)
18:27 < kanzure> (2) so that i can make an editor to rapidly test out different nurbs before i add it into step.py
18:28 < QuantumG> isn't "editing nurbs" just dragging around control points?
18:29 < kanzure> no, suppose i have a class Nurb and can initialize it with different control points, knots, etc.
18:29 < kanzure> so the idea is to be able to see what the curve or surface that i handwave into existence
18:29 < kanzure> *into existence looks like
18:32 < kanzure> genehacker: you're right, i don't know what i was thinking (i want a spline editor not a bezier curve editor)
18:33  * katsmeow-afk breathes a sigh or relief
18:33 < kanzure> ?
18:33 < jrayhawk> so what's stopping you from removing the bolts and/or fixing the server
18:33 < kanzure> jrayhawk: it's technically matt's server
18:33 < katsmeow-afk> well, like genehacker, i didn't know what you were meaning either
18:33 < kanzure> and they issued a dmca takedown notice, the server went up in flames, and i think matt might be mad at me about that
18:33 < kanzure> so stealing the computer might be misconstrued as stealing
18:34 < bkero> lol
18:34 < jrayhawk> perhaps you should ask him what the best way to get your data back would be
18:34 < kanzure> he's in germany and is using that as an excuse for not dealing with the situation
18:34 < genehacker> so basically the servers have a specially security system on them that will set off all bells and whistles if you try to steal it
18:34 < katsmeow-afk> usb drive
18:34 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: the power supply is dead
18:34 < JayDugger> Can you open the case?
18:34 < genehacker> sensor there
18:34 < kanzure> no, that's where one of the "alarm implants" is located (physically)
18:35 < kanzure> the alarm riggup is actually kind of hilarious
18:35 < kanzure> fenn claims it encourages would be thieves to just steal the monitor AND the computer simultaneously
18:35 < katsmeow-afk> pull a removeable hd, power it thru that plug?
18:35 < genehacker> the system was designed by dell for usage in indian slums
18:35 < fenn> it encourages bringing a chisel to remove the glued-on piece
18:35 < QuantumG> http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3271649&userid=49790   <- did I mention this thread?  it's awesome.
18:35 < genehacker> and we get a lot of funding from dell
18:35 < genehacker> danish rocket thread?
18:36 < kanzure> QuantumG: i linked to that earlier today :P look at my link dump (it was meant for you)
18:36 < genehacker> best thing I've ever seen come out of SA
18:36 < kanzure> http://gnusha.org/logs/2010-08-23.log
18:36 < kanzure> genehacker: there's lots of wonderful things out of SA
18:36 < QuantumG> sorting by that guy's userid really helps to make the thread readable
18:36 < kanzure> like 4chan and blackjack
18:36 < genehacker> blackjack?
18:37 < kanzure> it's an exaggerated claim
18:38 < QuantumG> "Above all else, we can use capable hands. We're always open for new members with practical backgrounds or skills or simply a demonstrably sincere interest in electronics, programming, metalworking, automatiom, construction, machinery, CNC milling, lasercutting, navigation, radio technology, telemetry, explosives, chemistry, physics, flight/hydro/thermo/aero- dynamics, sailing, safety, project planning, fundraising - anything remotely relevant, real
18:38 < QuantumG> ly - you're very welcome, come on board, join the fun. Sweat, bleed, curse and cry with the rest of us. All you gotta do is be able to show up and participate. You won't get paid and nobody will have much time to teach you basic skills but you get to wear the dorky high-visibility fluorescent team jackets and matching hard hat. And sometimes there is cake."
18:38 < kanzure> i hear that the guy commutes to work in a submarine
18:38 < genehacker> holy fuck that is awesome
18:38 < QuantumG> yeah, there's pictures on the mini-sub towing the platform at the end of the thread.
18:39 < QuantumG> s/on/of/
18:39 < genehacker> that's a pretty serious sub
18:39 < genehacker> I wonder how long it can stay under
18:39 < QuantumG> I think it's more a u-boat than a proper mini-sub
18:40 < jrayhawk> What's the alarm rigged up to do?
18:40 < kanzure> hey that's a god question
18:40 < kanzure> *good
18:40 < kanzure> i think it's actually just a lock
18:40 < genehacker> to beep, it instantly calls the police
18:40 < kanzure> no, i don't think so
18:41 < kanzure> matt got it off the shelf from best buy or something
18:41 < kanzure> it can't be that sophisticated
18:41 < genehacker> haven't you ever been in the lab when the alarm goes off and the ninja team shows up?
18:42 < kanzure> i was when there was some seriously suited up SWAT teams running around with semi-automatic rifles
18:42 < fenn> "ATmega168 works fine at 90K, but green LEDs become orange. Who knew?
18:43 < fenn> fully automatic rifles
18:43 < genehacker> I thought they just stopped working at 90 k
18:43 < genehacker> semiconductors are supposed to become nonconductors at that temperature or something
18:45 < kanzure> they were fully automatic?
18:46 < kanzure> huh. serious shit
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21:47 < kanzure> gee where's the source for this?
21:47 < kanzure> http://www.student.cs.uwaterloo.ca/~cs779/Gallery/Win2001/wholive/hbsplines.html
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23:04 < fenn> this gooseneck webcamn has a pretty small pcb in it.. about 1 inch long and 1/2 inch wide by 1/8" thick
23:04 < fenn> small enough that it just barely increases the size of my myvu display module
23:05 < fenn> other things that make me happy, today i bought a $16 sleeping bag at target
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23:11 < jrayhawk> window 6
23:11 < jrayhawk> whoops
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