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05:13 < ybit2> hrm..
05:14 < ybit2> just used pisg on my quassel dump
05:16 < ybit2> hrm, i just extracted the logs from quassel's sqlite store... the logs are certainly not complete, but i managed to run the #hplusroadmap through pisg, and here's the result: http://filebin.ca/vaqzg/pics-stats.html
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05:17 < Utopiah> ybit2: for IRC log analysis there is also http://www.jibble.org/piespy/
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09:34 < kanzure> "Makoto Akashi of Yamaguchi University in Japan and his colleagues sought an easier way to check clock gene activity. They turned to hairs plucked from scalps or beards, which contain cell-rich follicles."
09:34 < kanzure> "When they extracted RNA from these cells, they found that circadian gene activities peaked when volunteers were awake and alert, and it peaked earliest in the volunteer who woke up earliest in the morning. "
09:36 < splicer> their hair was awake
09:43 < kanzure> biocurious is up to 50% on kickstarter and has 25 days to go
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11:00 < any50174658> they woke because someone was yanking their hair
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12:27 < kanzure> http://imminst2010.com/
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12:59 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.abcnews.go.com/Technology/virus-built-wearable-batteries-power-military/print?id=11496924
13:29 < kanzure> http://solidworks.codeplex.com/
13:30 < klafka> so
13:30 < klafka> umm neat
13:30 < kanzure> be warned that the download is a tar bomb
13:30 < klafka> katsmeow-afk's link is thecoolest
13:31 < klafka> although the least "real"
13:35 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/stent-calculator/ for medical stents
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13:57 < kanzure> does anyone have some hints on downloading this svn repository?
13:57 < kanzure> http://132.209.24.179/websvn/filedetails.php?repname=Recherche+V.+Francois+et+J-C.+Cuilli%C3%A8re&path=%2Fmagic%2Flib%2Fgeometrie%2Fsrc%2Fstep_import.cpp&rev=0&sc=0
13:57 < kanzure> http://132.209.24.179/websvn/
14:00 < katsmeow-afk> wget
14:02 < kanzure> methinks you don't understand svn
14:03 < joshcryer> I don't see an svn checkout anywhere there.
14:03 < katsmeow-afk> methinks i never liked it, and gave it up
14:03 < kanzure> the svn daemon probably has anonymous checkout or something
14:03 < kanzure> )which is what i'm asking about, primarily)
14:04 < joshcryer> I can't find it I'm looking.
14:04 < kanzure> websvn is just an http front for it
14:04 < kanzure> so looking at the websvn pages isn't going to be useful
14:05 < joshcryer> No I'm saying I'm sending raw svn commands to try to guess it intuitively.
14:05 < joshcryer> There appears to be an svn server there but I don't know the checkout command.
14:05 < kanzure> me either :)
14:05 < joshcryer> (erm, I don't know the repository it's using I mean, I know how to chekcout)
14:07 < joshcryer> OK there appears to in fact not be an svn server there.
14:08 < joshcryer> wget it is.
14:08 < kanzure> hrmph
14:09 < joshcryer> Strange that an svn checkout command doesn't complain about there being no server but if you attempt to browse the repository it does.
14:10 < joshcryer> Oh got, wget mirror completely rapes the filenames.
14:11 < joshcryer> s/got/god
14:11 < joshcryer> HAVE FUN WITH THAT. :P
14:13 < kanzure> also it downloads the source files as the web pages (since that's what's being displayed) and that's mostly useless anyway
14:15 < joshcryer> Not just that, the source code is littered with HTML delimiters, so you can't even write a quick script to clean 'em.
14:19 < kanzure> http://ams.cern.ch/AMS/CGSE/Documents/SJTU/CD%20From%20SJTU%20%28March%2014,%202008%29/3D%20Lanzhou%20drawings/solidworks2004/program%20files/SolidWorks/photoworks/data/Materials/Metals/Aluminum/
14:19 < kanzure> what a ridiculous URL
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14:20 < katsmeow-afk> replace(htmlpage,"FILENAME="",realpath) ; replace(htmlpage,"" FORM","\">") , then tell wget to treat that file as a html url source
14:20 < joshcryer> then you have to go and write a source code parser
14:21 < joshcryer> that rips the code from the tags
14:21 < joshcryer> and then
14:21 < joshcryer> converts things like quot; to "
14:22 < kanzure> some fairly random crap:
14:22 < kanzure> http://ams.cern.ch/AMS/CGSE/Documents/SJTU/CD%20From%20SJTU%20%28March%2014,%202008%29/
14:24 < kanzure> http://ams.cern.ch/AMS/CGSE/Data_Share/
14:25 < kanzure> nothing like downloading a bootlegged copy of solidworks from CERN..
14:26 < katsmeow-afk> ?
14:32 < bkero> kanzure: that's fantastic
14:32 < katsmeow-afk> 2004 ?
14:36 < kanzure> Accumulated knowledge about manufacturing-process interoperability
14:36 < kanzure> http://www.mel.nist.gov/sc5/wg1/knowledge.htm
14:39 < kanzure> "GEANT, on the other hand, has to describe a large number of solids, say 10 million or more, corresponding to realistic modern detectors. The purpose of the GEANT modeller is, therefore, to be able to effectively represent a large number of solids corresponding to a complex detector in order to perform fast and efficient particle tracking. The representation has not to be everywhere exact, while the number of solids to be represented is critical. Co
14:39 < kanzure> http://cadd.web.cern.ch/cadd/cadd_geant_int.html
14:39 < kanzure> hey this is some cool shit
14:40 < kanzure> http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/
14:40 < kanzure> http://geant4.web.cern.ch/geant4/gallery/index.html
14:42 < kanzure> " The approach used in GEREP is to include geometric representations of CAD systems in GEANT. GEREP is an application for the proposed future object-oriented GEANT 4 toolkit. It is able to perform particle tracking in detector models described using B-Rep of STEP."
14:44 < joshcryer> I wonder, are there any visual-layer chemistry toolkits?
14:44 < kanzure> what do you need
14:44 < joshcryer> Something that can tell me what chemical reaction happens with various combination of chemicals.
14:44 < joshcryer> Visual would be nice but maybe not totally necessary.
14:45 < kanzure> look up ab initio chemistry
14:45 < kanzure> there's two general ways- theoretical chemistry, simulations, or what-have-you
14:45 < kanzure> and then there's stuff like the bernstein reaction database, or the crossfire database
14:45 < kanzure> (i.e. based on historical/experimental data)
14:46 < joshcryer> <3 thanks.
14:52 < kanzure> old school changelog thingy?
14:52 < kanzure> http://ams.cern.ch/AMS/Electronics/Mech/AMS%2002%20Electronics%20Mechanics.htm
14:55 < kanzure> so uh
14:55 < kanzure> http://www.ams02.org/
14:55 < kanzure> does this means i have the cad files for that now?
14:55 < kanzure> http://www.ams02.org/what-is-ams/tecnology/
14:57 < katsmeow-afk> so we cannot actually download the crossfire chemistry database
15:04 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: no :(
15:09 < joshcryer> Get soemone who goes to UC Davis to get it for you.
15:09 * bkero knows some people at Davis.
15:12 < joshcryer> Getting mixed signals.
15:12 < joshcryer> Apparently you can't use VPN to access the databases.
15:12 < joshcryer> But, I just found a link that sends you to a library workstation, which from my POV is the same as VPN.
15:12 < joshcryer> w/e
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17:29 < kanzure> xml merge http://projectmerge.com/
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17:53 < kanzure> uh oh.. the people who have hijacked luf-team want to start patenting shit
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18:00 < QuantumG> youtube pisses me
18:01 < QuantumG> I'm pretty sure the 10 minute limit thing is there because they can't reliably stream more than 10 minutes
18:02 < uniqanomaly> policy is not made for users but company
18:03 < uniqanomaly> they launched youtube.com/lately so I guess they pretty much can
18:03 < QuantumG> uh huh.. as if youtube has a business model
18:03 < uniqanomaly> just don't want to
18:03 < uniqanomaly> yes it does
18:03 < uniqanomaly> google wouldn't acquire it for $1.6bn
18:04 < QuantumG> do tell, I'll pass it on to my friends at Google and they'll be very happy to hear it.
18:04 < uniqanomaly> :D
18:04 < kanzure> their business model is to destroy cable television
18:04 < uniqanomaly> and netflix and alike
18:05 < uniqanomaly> damn
18:05 < uniqanomaly> youtube.com/movies few lines abv ...
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19:18 < kanzure> GMA 125 storage tube
19:18 < kanzure> any ideas what this is?
19:21 < kanzure> "CERN, which at present has the largest single EUCLID installation, is based on two VAX 11/785's connected in a VAX cluster, each with 8 megabytes of memory. 20 monochrome workstations and 4 Tektronix 4016 graphic terminals grouped in remote clusters provide interactive access to the system. 8 Hewlett Packard pen and 4 Versatec electrostatic plotters provide the means of drawing output. In the near future one of the 785's will be replaced by the new
19:23 < kanzure> i feel sad that CERN is based on OpenCASCADE
19:23 < kanzure> well, at least the LEP at CERN
19:25 < kanzure> "LEP, which contains more than 1,000 component types, with approximately 50,000 occurences of these components, is of such complexity that it is onyl feasible to define its structure by using computers. The dynamic nature of LEP also means that whenever an update is made, a complete new set of 24 layout drawings must be produced. This task can take up to 50 man hours, even with CAD."
19:25 < kanzure> what?
19:26 < kanzure> "During the day, Euclid is very heavily loaded with 'normal' interactive work, and the task of creating layout drawings would bring the system to a complete halt. Such a situation is to be avoided, not only because of its economic insanity, but also as it has a very negative effect on users. Therefore, a specially developed batch program now allows this task to be performed overnight. It also eliminates all user errors that are inevitable in such a
19:26 < kanzure> mammoth operation."
19:28 < kanzure> "The program must also create two copies of the object, one in meters for the civil engineers and one in millimeters for the mechanical engineers."
19:31 < kanzure> "To significantly increase this maximum (of number of points) would require a total internal re-organization of Euclid. Such an increase will however be counter productive as the visualization response time is proportional to the square of the "complexity" of the object."
19:36 < kanzure> wow they only stopped using euclid in 2008?
19:36 < kanzure> http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1103200
19:39 < kanzure> http://aliceinfo.cern.ch/alicvs/viewvc/Euclid/
19:39 < kanzure> http://aliceinfo.cern.ch/alicvs/viewvc/Euclid/?hideattic=0
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19:41 < kanzure> aroo?
19:41 < kanzure> http://aliceinfo.cern.ch/alicvs/viewvc/LHC/AliLhcBeam.h?hideattic=0&view=markup
19:41 < kanzure> "Class that holds all parameters about an LHC beam."
19:41 < kanzure> heheh
19:41 < joshcryer> I'm pretty sure the 10 minute limit thing is there because they can't reliably stream more than 10 minutes
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19:41 < joshcryer> Probably not to a hundred plus million people.
19:42 < joshcryer> (it's 15 mins now though)
19:42 < QuantumG> yeah.. I mean, if you sign up like Spacevidcast has, you can upload bigger files.
19:42 < kanzure> AliLhcBeam::SetLongEmmitance should only be callable with an audio vocal alert "SETTING LONG EMMITTANCE!"
19:42 < QuantumG> but they never seem to stream well
19:42 < QuantumG> maybe it's just me
19:42 < joshcryer> It's you.
19:43 < QuantumG> actually it seems to be fine now
19:43 < joshcryer> Damn Aussies and their poor connection to the internet. :P
19:43 < QuantumG> probably just that one video I was watching
19:43 < joshcryer> I haven't had YouTube streaming / buffering issues in 3-4 years.
19:43 < kanzure> sometimes video encoding sucks
19:43 < joshcryer> luf-team patenting stuff? What stuff?
19:44 < joshcryer> I like those Qi people because they don't want to infringe on patents and want everything to be free.
19:44 < kanzure> crap that has been around forever
19:44 < joshcryer> But it'd be nicer if people just said FUCK PATENTS and not cared.
19:46 < uniqanomaly> except in this patent system people like that can and will be abused by ones exploiting it
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19:46 < uniqanomaly> 'except that'
19:47 < QuantumG> crushing patents takes a concerted effort, including fund raising
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19:48 < kanzure> crushing patents directly isn't going to work because of the hundreds of billions of dollars being made off of patents
19:48 < QuantumG> I meant specific patents
19:48 < joshcryer> Just ignore them and not care.
19:48 < joshcryer> I live in an idealized world, ignore me. ;)
19:48 < QuantumG> preferably before the filer has had a chance to build up a warchest
19:48 < kanzure> what we need is something from the USPTO that directly provides an "out" or protection from patents in exchange for going totally open source (or somethinG)
19:49 < QuantumG> joshcryer: which is fine until they don't ignore you.
19:49 < kanzure> it's weird to say "protection from patents" but that's honestly what we need
19:49 < joshcryer> QuantumG, and then they sue you and you have no assets and you go to jail, but then a hundred other people do it, and they go after each and every one of them, and some of them go to jail, then a thousand do it- you see where this is going.
19:49 < kanzure> even if you win a patent litigation lawsuit you're going to lose a crapload of money
19:50 < kanzure> (if you are the defendant and have no money)
19:50 < joshcryer> Then you get around it by the bestest way possible. :)
19:50 < joshcryer> Research.
19:50 < QuantumG> yeah, but another way to say that is that you can sue anyone for anything and even if you don't have a case you can still put the fear of god into them.
19:50 < kanzure> bah
19:50 < kanzure> joshcryer: wimp
19:50 < joshcryer> "I'm researching."
19:50 < kanzure> joshcryer: load of shit
19:51 < joshcryer> "Those dirty hackers I let look at my code are researching."
19:51 < joshcryer> kanzure, it would work fine, you're not making any money from it.
19:51 < joshcryer> (scary concept I know)
19:51 < kanzure> i think you fail to understand "open source"- it's about business
19:51 < QuantumG> indeed
19:51 < joshcryer> Not for me it isn't.
19:51 < QuantumG> and the point is, people other than the patent holder are often the problem.
19:51 < joshcryer> Open source, closed source, I don't care.
19:52 < joshcryer> And I'm vocal about it.
19:52 < QuantumG> "we're not going to include your project because we think we might get sued"
19:52 < kanzure> can you fuck off before you mudge the concepts even more?
19:52 < joshcryer> kanzure, whatever, I'm not terribly concerned about patents and I think it holds back those who are.
19:52 < kanzure> joshcryer: just because you fail to understand the origins of open source, etc. etc., doesn't mean you should ruin it for the rest of us
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19:53 < joshcryer> People saying they can't even look at under 500 nm processes for CPUs because they don't want to get in trouble.
19:53 < joshcryer> Such a hinderance.
19:53 < kanzure> no it's not that they can't look
19:53 < kanzure> it's that nobody has the materials/information
19:54 < QuantumG> kanzure: did you ever figure DIY integrated circuits?
19:54 < kanzure> figure? wut?
19:54 < joshcryer> That was me QuantumG.
19:54 < joshcryer> And figuring out something like that is like, years of experimenting. :P
19:54 < QuantumG> someone was trying to do DIY integrated circuits.. even just crude ones.
19:54 < kanzure> i don't think it's years
19:55 < kanzure> i also don't think you've investigated it enough
19:55 < joshcryer> Yeah, that was me QuantumG, I don't know how to do CPU fabrication, it's like magic.
19:55 < kanzure> no, it's not magic
19:55 < joshcryer> I said it was magic?
19:55 < kanzure> please go away
19:55 < joshcryer> Be less pedantic kanzure, it doesn't suit you.
19:56 < QuantumG> can you do single digit numbers of transistors on a wafer even?
19:59 < QuantumG> can anyone (at home)?
19:59 < kanzure> there's been a few people who have done that
19:59 < joshcryer> QuantumG, you can make a transistor the size of a credit card or whatever. There are lots of those floating around.
19:59 < kanzure> on another note have you seen the giant hand-drawn resistors made out of graphite drawn on paper?
20:00 < joshcryer> (using resistors)
20:00 < QuantumG> resistors? what's the connection there?
20:00 < joshcryer> http://www.ugrad.cs.ubc.ca/~cs318/transistors.html
20:01 < joshcryer> Wait I had a video bookmarked somewhere.
20:01 < joshcryer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Qph8BNrnLY
20:02 < drazak> my new netbook is killer
20:02 < QuantumG> yet?
20:02 < QuantumG> yeah?
20:03 < drazak> yeah
20:03 < drazak> acer timelinex 1830t
20:03 < joshcryer> Nice: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_znRopGtbE
20:03 < joshcryer> Hadn't seen this channel in awhile.
20:03 * joshcryer subscribes
20:13 < QuantumG> 5 transistors, nice
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21:07 < QuantumG> hmm.. Paul Breed says his Shapeways printed rocket motor has been pressure tested and he discovered that it's too porous
21:07 < QuantumG> http://unreasonablerocket.blogspot.com/
21:07 < QuantumG> comment was from Twitter
21:08 < kanzure> heh
21:08 < kanzure> btw why is he trying that anyway?
21:09 < QuantumG> because it's never been done :)
21:09 < kanzure> he didn't expect it to be up to spec, did he?
21:09 < QuantumG> well, there was no spec
21:09 < kanzure> for plastic chambers?
21:09 < kanzure> plastic pressure chambers
21:09 < QuantumG> no, it's metal
21:09 < QuantumG> laser sintered
21:09 < kanzure> oh
21:10 < QuantumG> tig welded together
21:10 < kanzure> didn't know shapeways did stuff that's not printed goo
21:10 < QuantumG> yeah, they do metal.. there's even videos of the process
21:10 < kanzure> i was thinking shapeways==3d-printed-stuff
21:10 < QuantumG> yep, 3d laser metal sintering
21:10 < QuantumG> he welded it together, not shapeways
21:11 < QuantumG> as you can see by the size of his fingers, it's not a huge motor
21:11 < QuantumG> but it still cost a few hundred to get printed.
21:13 < genehacker> so why didn't he infiltrate it?
21:13 < genehacker> what's it made from?
21:13 < QuantumG> it's stainless
21:13 < QuantumG> and I have no idea what you mean by infiltrate
21:13 < genehacker> was it made by EBM?
21:13 < QuantumG> EBM?
21:13 < genehacker> infiltrate as in put something in the pores
21:14 < genehacker> electron beam melting
21:14 < genehacker> electron beam melting is awesome, because it takes a lot less energy than laser beam melting
21:15 < genehacker> so much so that the energy necessary to make a part from titanium via EBM is comparable to the energy it takes to make a part from plastic using Laser sintering
21:15 < QuantumG> I don't think so.. http://www.shapeways.com/materials/stainless_steel
21:15 < QuantumG> what would he infiltrate it with ya think?
21:15 < genehacker> bronze
21:16 < QuantumG> any idea how to do that?
21:16 < genehacker> dip the part in molten bronze
21:17 < genehacker> interesting they're uisng the binder process
21:17 < QuantumG> k, I passed that on
21:18 < genehacker> huh it looks like shapeways already infused it with bronze
21:19 < QuantumG> not enough perhaps
21:19 < genehacker> how's that too porous?
21:20 < genehacker> is he trying to print motors so he can make a rocket motor array?
21:20 < QuantumG> "When pressure testing the printed motor, outer jacket is way too porous. Someday may try expensive DMLS, rather than shapeways." <- all the info I have
21:20 < QuantumG> he just wanted to try a printed motor.. he's done lots of machined motors before
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21:29 < genehacker> there are compelling reasons for 3d printing rocket motors:
21:29 < genehacker> http://www.islandone.org/LEOBiblio/SPBI101.HTM#engine_cluster
21:29 < genehacker> but I can see how porosity would be an issue
21:29 < genehacker> perhaps the bronze is melting out...
21:31 < kanzure> genehacker: cool stat for you.. particle accelerators at CERN have on average 10 million CAD parts these days
21:36 < genehacker> neat
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21:39 < genehacker> also you heard I'm making an ironman suit right kanzure?
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22:35 < phryk> http://discovermagazine.com/2010/apr/01-back-from-the-future/
22:35 < kanzure> actually i'm on the last 5min stretch of back to the future part 3
22:35 < kanzure> uh, not that it's related to that quantum physics article :P
22:37 < phryk> ^^
22:37 < phryk> back to the future is awesome^^
22:38 < phryk> I find it weird and awesome at the same time...
22:38 < phryk> If the future influences the present, everything is purely relative...
22:38 < phryk> you don't really have to care about stuff anymore, because you can just change it in the future...
22:40 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.sti.nasa.gov/scan/scan23.html
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