--- Log opened Tue Aug 31 00:00:17 2010 00:02 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:17 < joshcryer> kanzure, what makes you think I just pick technologies at random? 00:31 < QuantumG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crookes_radiometer they don't work in hard vacuum 00:32 < QuantumG> Gregory S. Chirikjian must not be aware of that. http://www.niac.usra.edu/files/studies/final_report/880Chirikjian.pdf 00:32 < joshcryer> this is hilarious 00:34 < QuantumG> In the case of a radiometer, energy production and storage take place in the same unit, and electricity is siphoned off using a generator in a continuous fashion. 00:34 < QuantumG> it sounds so sexy .. shame 10 seconds of reading wikipedia invalidates it. 00:34 < joshcryer> I knew though that the effect was not due to light but pressure differential. 00:34 < joshcryer> But it's embarrassing how you overlook something like that. 00:35 < joshcryer> Glad you dug more QuantumG. 00:37 < joshcryer> If I wrote the paper I'd use sterling engines and solar fields initially, then something like liquid sulpher later on. 00:37 < joshcryer> All concentrated solar though. 00:38 < joshcryer> s/and solar/for solar 00:38 < QuantumG> of course, there's no reason why you couldn't build a nice glass tube on the Moon and fill it with a suitable gas extracted from lunar regolith. 00:38 < QuantumG> yeah, then you only have to make mirrors 00:38 < joshcryer> This is very true, but then your energy calculation goes up big time since refining glass silicon is very energy intensive. 00:39 < joshcryer> A guy found a really really easy process to make mirrors using lunar regolith. 00:39 < QuantumG> so how to do you make mirrors (at all or) from lunar regolith? 00:39 < QuantumG> name? url? :) 00:39 < joshcryer> http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/09jul_moonscope/ 00:39 < joshcryer> One caveat. 00:39 < joshcryer> You get refined aluminum from Earth for their process. 00:39 < joshcryer> So... 00:40 < joshcryer> Use that process, but refine the aluminum there. 00:40 < QuantumG> indeed 00:40 < joshcryer> (the real info is at the bottom of the page after more info) 00:40 < QuantumG> being that all the parts are aluminium 00:41 < joshcryer> Ahh, right, there's also an epoxy that needs to be made. 00:43 < QuantumG> http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2008AAS...212.2507C 00:43 < QuantumG> polished aluminium not good enough? 00:43 < joshcryer> Ahhhh 00:44 < joshcryer> I remember why I don't have this paper now. 00:44 < joshcryer> Mark Friedenbach knows the guy who was involved in that and was supposed to help me. 00:44 < joshcryer> But he got married and disappeared from the internet. 00:45 < QuantumG> k, gotta run 00:45 < joshcryer> hahahaha 00:45 < joshcryer> Later. 00:45 < joshcryer> (SpaceX Dragon Oct. 23.) 00:49 < joshcryer> (the epoxy is used to bond the regolith) 00:50 < joshcryer> But then there's that other guy who talked about baking regolith into nice hardened stuff, but I forgot that source and don't feel like finding it. 01:08 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Quit: shepazu] 01:42 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:59 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 01:59 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:36 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:36 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:04 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:05 < Utopiah> http://www.mindviewslabs.com founded to automate the design, analysis, and manufacture of new products and systems. 03:06 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:07 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:20 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:30 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:34 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 03:35 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:53 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@pd95b50af.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:05 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:33 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 05:00 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:27 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:40 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:40 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:00 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:02 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:08 -!- papna-work is now known as optima 06:12 -!- optima is now known as papna-work 06:22 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:42 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:42 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:55 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:57 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:08 -!- |Japa| [~Japa@117.200.68.12] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:10 -!- Japa [~Japa@117.200.64.114] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:14 -!- papna-work [~mgraham@208.74.117.9] has left #hplusroadmap [] 07:30 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:59 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 08:00 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:10 -!- shepazu [~schepers@2001:660:330f:1a:21b:63ff:feb9:14dc] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:14 < kanzure> "The FBI has received your Freedom of Information Act/Privacy (FOI/PA) request and it will be forwarded to the Work Process Unit for review. Your request will be processed under the provisions of FOI/PA and a response will be mailed to you at a later date." 08:26 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:27 < mheld> anybedy here ever write a patent disclosure? 08:28 < splicer> kanzure: what's that about? 08:34 < splicer> ah... you requested records 08:51 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 09:02 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:05 < kanzure> modern science map 09:05 < kanzure> http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/08/modern-science-map.html 09:05 < kanzure> http://www.crispian.net/ScienceMapv0.37.png 09:05 < kanzure> warning: huge image 09:06 < kanzure> hm some of the more modern names aren't completely accurate 09:07 < kanzure> i mean, he's missing a lot and only knows about i.e. michio kaku because kaku plasters his name everywhere 09:10 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:33 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@pd95b50af.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Quit: kicked out] 09:39 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:48 < kanzure> http://blog.opensocial.org/2010/08/eureka-lockheed-martin-contributes.html 09:48 < kanzure> "Lockheed Martin Corporation recently announced the release of its first open source software initiative around social media called Eureka Streams. Eureka Streams is a social media platform that integrates activity streams and OpenSocial apps. Lockheed Martin has spent the past several years growing a strategy of Social Software within the Enterprise to bring widely distributed employees together." 09:48 < kanzure> :( 09:48 < kanzure> can't they release something, uh, not related to social media? 09:49 < kanzure> http://eurekastreams.org/ 10:27 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:30 < kanzure> where did diybio-leuven go? 10:31 < kanzure> hm that was probably len and meredith 10:36 < bkero> http://www.27bslash6.com/AGL.html nice 10:46 -!- alphydan [~avo@3004ds1-rd.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:59 -!- alphydan [~avo@3004ds1-rd.0.fullrate.dk] has left #hplusroadmap ["rcirc on GNU Emacs 22.2.1"] 11:04 < drazak> kanzure: do you have any organic chemistry lab manuals? 11:04 < drazak> kanzure: I don't think my bopoks from you are complete 11:08 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:14 < kanzure> a step-by-step introduction to creative commons http://www.aliprandi.org/cc-user-guide/ (i.e. for content creators) 11:14 -!- |Japa| [~Japa@117.200.68.12] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:17 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:32 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:52 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:53 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:55 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:55 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:07 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:08 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.111] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:11 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:23 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:24 < kanzure> hi dustbin 12:24 < dustbin> hey brian 12:29 < bkero> Oh hey, my friend wrote that. :) 12:30 < kanzure> bkero: which one? 12:30 < kanzure> drazak: probably but even if i did there's no real way for me to get it to you in any reasonable amount of time 12:30 < bkero> kanzure: the cc for content creators guide 12:31 < kanzure> i wish i had a cogent linkup 12:31 < drazak> kanzure: I can wait 12:31 < drazak> kanzure: you I'll pay shipping to and from you for the drive with all the books (how big is it?) 12:31 < kanzure> a terabyte drive should be enough, preferably usb/external 12:32 < kanzure> it should cost something like $80 with shipping 12:33 < bkero> kanzure: cogent is balls 12:33 < drazak> I meant for you to ship me the drive, I'd copy stuff off, and then ship it back to you 12:34 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:35 < bkero> Aren't you both on i2 lines? 12:35 < drazak> i2? 12:35 < drazak> I have several connections availible to me 12:35 < drazak> I have a dedicated 100/100 on my server 12:35 < drazak> locally I have a dedicated 10/10 and a 15/3 12:39 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:42 < kanzure> i want one 12:42 < kanzure> http://www.missilebases.com/properties 12:42 < bkero> Most universities are connected through an internet link called i2. 12:48 < klafka> most i2 only exists on the academic side of college campuses 12:49 < bkero> Never seen one that didn't NOT route any traffic capable through i2. 12:51 < kanzure> double negative 12:52 < klafka> they put a lot of restirctions on i2 when the i2hub was big 12:52 < klafka> maybe they've since eased up on them 12:52 < klafka> i2hub used a vast amount of numerous colleges bandwidth 12:53 < klafka> for like 1? 2? years 12:54 < bkero> For universities, i2 is free 12:54 < bkero> Compared to paying for commodity bandwidth 13:00 < kanzure> http://2010.gogbot.nl/ "The GOGBOT Festival in the Netherlands features from September 9-12, with a focus on Nanotech, Biotech and Transhumanism." 13:01 < kanzure> http://www.nanoforum.org/ "Bionics and Nanotech International Forum takes place on September 30 in Barranquilla, Colombia. Featured talks cover transhumanism and human enhancement." 13:01 < kanzure> http://www.transhumanism-spirituality.org/ '"Transhumanism and Spirituality" is the theme for this year's Mormon Transhumanist Association conference at the University of Utah on October 1st." 13:01 < kanzure> http://lifeextensionconference.com/ 13:01 < kanzure> http://poptech.org/ october 20-23 13:02 < kanzure> http://transvision2010.wordpress.com/ october 22-24 in milan, italy 13:02 < kanzure> http://hplussummit.com/ hplus summit LA 2010 november 5-7 13:03 < klafka> LOL 13:03 < klafka> mormon transhumanist association 13:03 < klafka> bizarre 13:03 < kanzure> it's real :) 13:04 < kanzure> .. and actually more active than humanityplus.org 13:04 < klafka> damn 13:05 -!- ferrouswheel [~joel@121-98-81-17.bitstream.orcon.net.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:06 < kanzure> hi ferrouswheel 13:06 < ferrouswheel> g'day kanzure 13:57 -!- klafka [~klafka@129.21.69.111] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:04 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has quit [Quit: got root?] 14:17 -!- QuantumG [~qg@rtfm.insomnia.org] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:19 < kanzure> http://sl4.org/sl4-archive.tgz 14:22 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/_peerprivatewiki/ 14:25 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/aw/awstats.af.html 14:27 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/vassar/Flexible%20Automated%20Manufacturing.doc 14:28 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:48 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:49 < katsmeow-afk> kanzure, you have documents on how the increase in manufacturing will lead to a decrease in cost, fewer humans making (or knowing how to make) an item, a decrease in financial capitalisation of manufacturing, and monopolies of nearly everything by the largest companies? 14:50 < katsmeow-afk> to me, capitalism is more resembling a pyramid scheme, built of sand, and coming apart 14:52 < katsmeow-afk> lets say someone automates all tantalum capacitor manufacture, buys all the few mining areas, has near zero manufacturing cost, no labor involved, and can set his own price 14:52 < katsmeow-afk> then all oem take that approach for 20 yrs 14:52 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/anime/ 14:53 < QuantumG> I've had this discussion on this channel. The next thing they have to do is move into another market because they won't be able to keep up with inflation. 14:53 < katsmeow-afk> for most of a generation, a few companies can suck all the cash out of the economy, then what? 14:53 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/anime/tenchimuyo/ 14:54 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/anime/4chan/ 14:54 < QuantumG> so eventually you end up with companies competing for a market with no money, but that's ok, the prices have gone down anyway.. at some point the majority of customers are getting their money from government stipends. 14:55 * katsmeow-afk nods 14:56 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/mp3/ 14:56 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/img/ 14:56 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/img/me/ 14:57 < kanzure> 2002 log from #sl4 http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/logs/%23sl4.01.log 14:58 < katsmeow-afk> Quantum, if you had a choice of $free: *either* 2560 14mips computers, OR 256 100mips computers, which would you take? 14:58 < kanzure> methuselah foundation presskit http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/storage/MethuselahFoundationPressKitV0.5.rar 14:58 < katsmeow-afk> kanzure, that's tou in black with black dog? 14:59 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/michael/storage/output.txt 15:00 < katsmeow-afk> i wonder why i thought you lived in Tx 15:00 < katsmeow-afk> ups here, bbl 15:03 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:04 < QuantumG> probably the 256.. but most likely neither 15:05 < kanzure> http://acceleratingfuture.com/sl4/ 15:05 < kanzure> katsmeow-afk: i do live in texas 15:06 * QuantumG watches kanzure shoot guns into the air "Texas!" 15:14 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:19 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has left #hplusroadmap [] 15:27 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/michael/works/newintelligence.htm missed a 3rd option: the GAI may just pack it's bags and leave, choosing to settle on a safer place like the moon or Mars, or distributed among the asteroid belt(s) somewhere 15:29 < QuantumG> or in Never Never Land 15:29 < katsmeow-afk> ? 15:29 < QuantumG> speculating over fictional beings, so productive 15:30 < katsmeow-afk> i didn't write the page, and i was done speculatingyears ago, i was just relating it to you now 15:31 < QuantumG> yep, but you're here, and he's not, so I address my "whatever" to you 15:31 < katsmeow-afk> k, thanks 15:33 < katsmeow-afk> however, the choice of cpu question wasn't so fanciful, as i have reels of chips and boxes of ram and sq feet of pcb with boxes of drill bits, i could make either 15:33 < katsmeow-afk> foolhardy me asked for opinion 15:34 < QuantumG> ahh.. see I probably wouldn't take it, even if it was free, cause then I've gotta store it. 15:35 < katsmeow-afk> what if it was small, in one box, power wasn't an issue, and they ran 5x faster than my original question? 15:38 * katsmeow-afk wanders off absentmindedly too 15:49 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722145641]] 16:19 -!- any51817878 [~someone@75-120-14-250.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- katsmeow-afk [~someone@75-120-14-250.dyn.centurytel.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:31 < kanzure> biohacking in milwaukee http://barcampmilwaukee.com/tags/biohacking 16:31 < kanzure> oh, it's just richard thiemes 16:31 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:32 -!- jennifer_ [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:38 < joshcryer> Bryan Caplin has an idea how desktop manufacturing would work in a competitive market environment. 16:39 < joshcryer> Wait, I'm thinking of someone else. 16:39 < joshcryer> KEVIN CARSON 16:39 < joshcryer> I dunno why I confuse those two, I've done that on several occassions. 16:40 < kanzure> yeah, kevin's stuff is usually fun to read 16:41 < joshcryer> http://c4ss.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/C4SS-Desktop-Manufacturing.pdf 16:42 < kanzure> he wrote a book.. whichever book it was, chapter 7 is a good read :P 16:42 -!- jennifer_ is now known as pouchedfox 16:42 -!- pouchedfox is now known as jennifer 16:42 -!- jennifer is now known as jennifers 16:43 < joshcryer> Probably linked on his site, I never had the patience to read what I already knew politicall: http://mutualist.blogspot.com/ 16:43 < kanzure> ok maybe not chapter 7 16:43 < kanzure> http://homebrewindustrialrevolution.wordpress.com/2010/01/11/contents/ 16:44 < joshcryer> I don't recall being particularly fond of his approach though. 16:50 -!- jennifers [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:03 -!- jennifer_ [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:40 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:43 -!- Japa [~Japa@117.200.68.12] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:02 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:31 -!- jennifer_ [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:51 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:55 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:57 -!- any51817878 is now known as katsmeow 19:07 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 19:15 < katsmeow> http://www.acceleratingfuture.com/wiki/Transhumanist_IRC_Chatroom says to join #transhumanism 19:15 < katsmeow> i did 19:15 < katsmeow> there's no one there 19:16 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 19:22 < kanzure> katsmeow: yeah, basically this is the new #transhumanism 19:22 < kanzure> sorry :) 19:23 < kanzure> also i have no control over the acceleratingfuture.com site content 19:23 < kanzure> (you seemed to think it was my site earlier) 19:23 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:24 < katsmeow> who belongs to Novamente? 19:25 < kanzure> ben goertzel 19:25 < katsmeow> i dunno his irc nick 19:25 < kanzure> bgoertzel 19:39 < katsmeow> Novamente hasn't been updated since 2008, i guess it's dead 19:41 < kanzure> most of their work is now focusing on opencog 19:41 < kanzure> ferrouswheel: ping 19:41 < kanzure> you probably know about this stuff more than i do 19:46 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:48 * katsmeow is mourning the death of a programmer she worked with periodically over the last 15 yrs 19:49 -!- katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk 19:59 < ferrouswheel> katsmeow-afk, sorry to hear that. 19:59 < ferrouswheel> I work on OpenCog with Ben Goertzel 20:00 < ferrouswheel> And Novamente is basically a firm that works on AI stuff, most of their core code is opensourced as OpenCog these days (although not all of it) 20:05 < klafka> the name ben goertzel sounds really familiar 20:06 < uniqanomaly_> no kidding 20:06 < QuantumG> he's Mr AGI 20:07 < klafka> aah 20:08 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:10 < uniqanomaly_> klafka: you're guilty of transhumanist heresy, do you have a defence? 20:10 < klafka> i'm not a transhumanist! 20:10 < klafka> unless it gets me something 20:10 < uniqanomaly_> another heresy 20:10 < klafka> btw so apparently piracetam has just been reclassified by the fda as a drug 20:10 < klafka> and places can no longer sell it 20:10 < klafka> that kinda sucks 20:11 < uniqanomaly_> wtf? 20:11 < uniqanomaly_> it was suppliment 20:11 < klafka> yep 20:11 < uniqanomaly_> they're guilty of like crime against future humanity crimes 20:12 < uniqanomaly_> and of course transhuman heresy of 0 class 20:12 < QuantumG> crimes against transhumanity 20:12 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 20:12 < klafka> zeroth level crimes 20:12 < uniqanomaly_> guilty, guilty and guilty 20:18 < uniqanomaly_> http://williamllewellyn.com/?p=310 20:18 < uniqanomaly_> sadness 20:18 < uniqanomaly_> US as land of freedom 20:21 < uniqanomaly_> it reminds me about FDA & genetic testing some time ago 20:22 < uniqanomaly_> (your an idiot sir, and) you cannot do genetic tests without contact with your physician 20:24 < uniqanomaly_> (your an idiot sir, and) you cannot use stuff that makes your brain work better 20:27 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@business-213-023-057-067.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:30 -!- kristian1aul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:30 -!- kristian1aul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Client Quit] 20:39 < ferrouswheel> No more piracetam? Damn 20:39 < Noahj> Why is all the piracetam gone? 20:39 < ferrouswheel> It's prescription only in New Zealand, but I always managed to get it through customs because they have no clue what it is. 20:40 < katsmeow-afk> olmifon ? 20:40 < katsmeow-afk> oh, adrafinal, nm 20:40 < uniqanomaly_> Noahj: 'cause of fascism 20:44 < katsmeow-afk> maybe next thing they'll do is look into that salmonella problem with chickens and eggs 20:58 < katsmeow-afk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racetam 20:58 < katsmeow-afk> Oxiracetam - Water-soluble racetam (2 to 4 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed]) 20:58 < katsmeow-afk> Aniracetam - Fat-soluble racetam (4 to 8 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed]) 20:58 < katsmeow-afk> Pramiracetam - Fat-soluble racetam (8 to 30 times more potent than Piracetam[citation needed]) 20:58 < katsmeow-afk> etc 21:02 < epitron> you guys should hack your own racetams 21:03 < QuantumG> nice 21:14 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:15 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:16 -!- klafka [~klafka@cpe-66-66-5-254.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:21 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:23 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@114.246.109.68] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:28 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@114.246.109.68] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:28 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:33 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:40 -!- shepazu [~schepers@81.253.4.190] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:44 < Noahj> You don't want to end up with the racetam which gives your hemispheres more trouble talking to one another though, right? 21:45 < Noahj> I guess DIYbio tends to bend towards that risky sort of business 21:45 < Noahj> These sentences are incohescent enough to warrant sleep 21:45 < Noahj> Bye, hplusroadmap 21:52 -!- shepazu [~schepers@81.253.4.190] has quit [Quit: Core Breach] 21:54 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@business-213-023-057-067.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@business-213-023-057-067.static.arcor-ip.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:02 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@business-213-023-057-067.static.arcor-ip.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:51 < QuantumG> @unrocket says "Just re-did my printed STL motor model to have GPI prototype quote using DMLS, a better process." 22:52 < QuantumG> 3d printed rocket motor.. stainless steel.. his last attempt via Shapeways was too porous 22:58 < katsmeow-afk> i cannot help but think any metal printing he does will result in a sintered metal , which by definition is porus,, so what if he printed the motor bank onto a slab of non-pourus, or printed each engine in a well bored into a non-porus slab? 22:59 < katsmeow-afk> btw, did that Dutch rocket attempt fly? 22:59 < QuantumG> they haven't yet. 22:59 < QuantumG> the flight team left for Bornholm in their submarine Tuesday 1000 UTC. They'll be there Wednesday ~1600 UTC, hoping for launch on Thursday. 23:00 < katsmeow-afk> k 23:01 < QuantumG> so yeah, waiting for that video :) 23:01 < kanzure> http://thebrain.com/ i'm not impressed 23:01 < kanzure> it's yet-another mind mapper thingy 23:01 < QuantumG> yeah 23:04 < katsmeow-afk> has anyone made (printed or otherwise) an actual functioning bank of micro rocket engines to compare to a single larger engine? 23:09 < QuantumG> no. The most clustering that has been successfully done is Falcon 9, with 9 actual engines (some claim Soyuz has more clustering, because they count chambers, not nozzles) 23:09 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 23:09 < QuantumG> and we're still waiting for Armadillo to fly a cluster of anything 23:09 < QuantumG> even though that's their stated goal. 23:09 -!- augur [~augur@208-58-6-161.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:10 * katsmeow-afk nods 23:11 < katsmeow-afk> oh, the Saturn 5 had more than 9 , iirc, you you count main plus vectoring engines 23:11 < QuantumG> well, if you're going to count vectoring engines, Falcon 9 has them too 23:11 < QuantumG> no idea how many 23:11 < katsmeow-afk> oh, ok 23:12 < katsmeow-afk> Sander Pool wrote: 23:12 < katsmeow-afk> > Just so we're all talking about the same thing, the early Soviet missiles 23:12 < katsmeow-afk> > had what, 24 engines? I would consider this a multi-engine missile. 23:13 < QuantumG> officially, you're supposed to count chambers 23:13 < QuantumG> even if those chambers all feed to the same nozzle 23:36 < kanzure> why does caplocks exist? 23:36 < kanzure> http://i570.photobucket.com/albums/ss146/MetroidBob/are-you-ready-to-unleash-the-fuc-1.jpg 23:37 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:56 < epitron> kanzure: http://funtarded.com/pics/show/1218 23:58 < QuantumG> http://www.sandbricktech.com/ --- Log closed Wed Sep 01 00:00:17 2010