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08:31 < kanzure> so it looks like adrian wants to stick with github
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08:57 < kristianpaul> kanzure: good :)
08:57 < kristianpaul> kanzure: where you read that?
08:58 < kanzure> reprap-dev mailing list
08:58 < kanzure> we were offering to host the git repositories for hm
08:58 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/cgit/reprap
08:59 < kristianpaul> but git requires a plan reprap is huge..
08:59 < kristianpaul> git hub*
09:00 < kanzure> why does it require a plan?
09:00 < kristianpaul> repository size
09:00 < kristianpaul> no?
09:00 < kanzure> well we successfully converted it
09:00 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/reprap.git
09:00 < kristianpaul> i see
09:01 < kristianpaul> good cloning now
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09:28 < kanzure> http://mail.alibre.com/
09:28 < kanzure> currently says "resistance is futile"
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11:13 < egeste> I want a reprap
11:27 < epitron> githubbbb \o/
11:28 < epitron> hahah the repo is still huge
11:29 < epitron> is it still 2gb?
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12:25 < kanzure> epitron: nah, it's half that
12:25 < kanzure> (which, admittedly, isn't much better)
12:35  * nsh rages
12:35 < nsh> someone distract me with something cool
12:41 < kanzure> http://solidworkslaunch.com/ ?
12:41 < kanzure> :P
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12:51 < epitron> i still highly recommend cutting a version, putting the 1gb repo in that version, then pruning to make a new repo
12:52 < epitron> i think branches let you do that as well
12:52 < epitron> you don't have to actually make a new repo
12:52 < epitron> that should work as long as the branch isn't setup to track by default
12:53 < epitron> i'm not totally sure about that though...
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13:20 < kanzure> hrm, when did dassault acquire dymola?
13:20 < kanzure> http://www.3ds.com/products/catia/portfolio/dymola/model-libraries/
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13:52 < splicer_> http://tedxcanton.com/
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15:05 < kanzure> http://blogs.warwick.ac.uk/images/wmgdmm/2005/10/03/delmia_robotics2.jpg
15:06 < kanzure> http://www.ascendbridge.com/Website/AscendBridge/Graphics.nsf/Graphics/DELMIA/$file/DELMIA2.jpg
15:06 < splicer_> wrote a post on the context of garage biology: http://www.biopunk.org/garage-biology-and-politics-t503.html
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15:56 < thesnark> good evening guys
15:58 < kanzure> kartik's talk at foresight conf: http://vimeo.com/9217459
15:58 < kanzure> charity navigator profile of the foresight institute:
15:58 < kanzure> http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10491
15:58 < kanzure> revenue for 2007 was $368k
16:21 < kanzure> does this look like a molds site to anyone? http://molds.cn/
16:21 < thesnark> yes kanzure
16:21 < thesnark> 2nd and 3rd tab
16:22 < thesnark> protip: http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fmolds.cn%2F
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17:14 < kanzure> well this looks pretty simple: 
17:14 < kanzure> http://web.archive.org/web/20011014162112/http://www.traceparts.com/fr/files/exemple.cad.txt
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17:20 < thesnark> script { 
17:20 < thesnark> what?
17:20 < thesnark> What language?
17:20 < kanzure> no clue
17:20 < thesnark> Oh, some cad thing
17:20 < kanzure> but it looks simple :)
17:20 < kanzure> that's actually an ISO standard part
17:23 < jmil> kanzure: w0w git submodules is a clusterfuck
17:23 < jmil> http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-submodule.html
17:23 < jmil> http://progit.org/book/ch6-6.html
17:23 < jmil> http://book.git-scm.com/5_submodules.html
17:24 < kanzure> usually when you want to have a small download for someone you do nightly builds of the source repository or something
17:24 < kanzure> and then a user can download the build and have fun
17:24 < kanzure> but adrian is complaining that every user has to download the entire revision control repository and history
17:25 < jmil> ya, exactly
17:25 < jmil> the history is 1 GB, but the working directory is also 1 GB
17:25 < thesnark> http://acm.ashland.edu/2009/Problem-Set/Solutions/B.java The opposite of simple
17:25 < thesnark> That is a Judge's solution to a programming contest problem
17:25 < thesnark> how the fuck are they a judge?
17:25 < jmil> but then if we make every folder he wants into a submodule, we lose the ability to easily update the whole project
17:25 < thesnark> such a clusterfuck
17:26 < jmil> you have to manually update each submodule and push it FIRST before you update the superproject
17:27 < jmil> so it's either easy for people with fat internet pipes only, or we have submodule hell and committing is forever a pain in the ass
17:27 < jmil> would be better to just download the whole repo at work onto a flash drive, then he'd have it at home
17:28 < kanzure> why can't he just get an account on diyhpl.us and clone it there?
17:29 < jmil> kanzure: interesting... but then he'd have to package the folder he wanted and make it available for download to his home computer
17:29 < jmil> because you can't work on reprap design files from remote command line :(
17:29 < kanzure> sure you can
17:29 < kanzure> ssh -X :)
17:29 < jmil> lolwut?
17:29 < jmil> oh lmao
17:30 < thesnark> X forwarding over an ISP is sllllow
17:30 < thesnark> VNC is faster
17:30 < jmil> ya no joke. that's why lmao
17:30 < kanzure> i think he just wants "nightly builds" or "download as .tgz" from a certain folder location
17:30 < thesnark> just saying
17:30 < QuantumG> http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/english/melani/cs6/stop.html  xkcd just informed me that this poem can be read to the tune of Gilligan's Island.
17:30 < kanzure> i'm also not sure why the entire reprap project is one repo
17:31 < jmil> kanzure: ya, think we can have a git hook make .zip and .tgz of certain folders when they are updated?
17:31 < kanzure> sure
17:31 < jmil> kanzure: see above... if each is its own repo then we have to manage each one independently
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17:31 < jmil> as submodules
17:31 < kanzure> jmil: you should also tell adrian that he can just downlaod the git repo one time
17:31 < kanzure> and then when he pulls changes, he only gets the new changes
17:31 < jmil> submodule hell = worse than dll hell
17:31 < kanzure> so i don't see what the problem is
17:32 < jmil> kanzure: ya but he will get ornery b/c of "developing countries"
17:32 < kanzure> then for fuck's sake it shouldn't be 1 GB in the first place
17:32 < jmil> but i don't think there are any reprap devs in the middle of the african desert... yet
17:32 < jmil> lol ya but you can't say that to adrian
17:32 < jmil> he will say, well hell we'll just stay with SVN
17:32 < kanzure> uh
17:33 < kanzure> who made him in charge? fork
17:33 < jmil> ya we did already
17:33 < jmil> diyhpl.us :)
17:33 < kanzure> but again
17:33 < jmil> it would just be nice to get the git.reprap.org like you suggested
17:33 < kanzure> do you know why it's all in one repo?
17:33 < jmil> how else would we do it? submodules, right?
17:34 < kanzure> for instance, debian.org is not all in one repo
17:34 < jmil> i personally like that it's all one repo, easy cloning around and you always are sure to have a complete copy
17:34 < jmil> debian.org has vastly independent pieces
17:34 < jmil> way moreso than reprap
17:34 < kanzure> what's wrong with a distribution of hardware components
17:35 < jmil> huh?
17:35 < jmil> lay it out for me
17:35 < kanzure> reusable hardware components in separate git repositories
17:35 < kanzure> instead of cramming it all into one
17:36 < jmil> what do you mean hardware components?
17:37 < jmil> he laid out which submodules he wanted
17:37 < jmil> already
17:38 < kanzure> electronics, huxley, mendel, software___firmware, host, darwin
17:38 < kanzure> those are some fairly broad projects each
17:38 < kanzure> god damn it where's fenn when you need him
17:39 < jmil> fenn: ?
17:39 < kanzure> he's off on some soul quest thing
17:39 < kanzure> something about burning man
17:40 < kanzure> is there any particular reason huxley and darwin should be in the same repository?
17:40 < jmil> i guess just posterity
17:40 < kanzure> actually it would be more useful to look at where the largest files are
17:41 < kanzure> is the space mostly the revision history or foolishly large files?
17:41 < jmil> join #git
17:42 < kanzure> i've been in there for a few weeks
17:46 < jmil> it's a funny discussion we're having
17:48 < jmil> kanzure what do you mean subsidize their own time?
17:50 < kanzure> open source developers didn't invent "free energy"
17:50 < kanzure> some of them have patrons, funding, or their own funding
17:50 < jmil> oh, lol
17:50 < jmil> i'm one of those
17:56 < jmil> aren't you too?
17:59 < jmil> kanzure: ok well let's just make the cron script at least
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18:08 < kanzure> why'd he leave?
18:13 < QuantumG> he quit.. might have been technical difficulties
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18:39 < kanzure> tracepartsonline.net is very weird.. they claim you can download various CAD files from them
18:39 < kanzure> took me forever to figure it out, but when you click "add to caddy" it *emails* you the files 
18:39 < kanzure> in a .zip file
18:40 < dustbin> that's odd...
18:40 < kanzure> i was ignoring the email because it honestly said nothing of interest to me, and only by chance noticed the parts.zip attachment
19:03 < jrayhawk> xcb-based applications are okay to use on high latency connections
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19:15 < jrayhawk> What's the cron script thing he wanted?
19:18 < kanzure> nightly .tgz builds of subdirectories in the git repository i think
19:19 < kanzure> adrian was complaining that, in svn, you can "checkout" just a subfolder of a giant repository
19:19 < kanzure> and he didn't see a way to do that with a git repository
19:19 < kanzure> (a lot of this is messed up and needs better architecture)
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20:25 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11181753
20:25 < katsmeow-afk> "It's like a jigsaw puzzle that you throw into the air and it comes down completely assembled," Professor Strano said.
20:25 < katsmeow-afk> This self-assembly leads naturally to a self-repair scheme.
20:25 < katsmeow-afk> solar cells
20:26 < katsmeow-afk> hm, that page seems to be a re-do of the January 2010 article http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8452912.stm
20:27 < katsmeow-afk> The approach made a device of 64,000 parts in three minutes
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21:27 < kanzure> hehe sniffing solidworks-vs-autodesk employee edits on wikipedia
21:27 < kanzure> http://blog.novedge.com/2007/08/cad-companies-p.html
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22:17 < jmil> kanzure and jrayhawk u there? let's do the cron job soon
22:17 < jmil> can you give me a crontab i can use?
22:23 < jmil> oh, and not to start a flame war, but can you give me emacs too?
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22:29 < kanzure> http://swdownload.solidworks.com/pdownload/cosmos/COSMOSM/cos295-180/COSMOSM295.exe
22:29 < kanzure> http://svca.solidworks.com/pdownload/cosmos/COSMOSMotion/version2005/sp00/cmIEnglish.exe
22:30 < kanzure> jmil: ok, you have emacs
22:30 < jmil> no shit
22:30 < kanzure> huh? no i mean i just installed it for you
22:32 < jmil> OMG WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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22:33 < jmil> control-x control-s; control-x control-c
22:41 < drazak> jmil: good 'ole m-c m-x m-butterfly
22:44 < jmil> lol
22:55 < kanzure> hrm..
22:55 < kanzure> http://www.opencascade.com.cn/forum/index.php
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23:04 < kanzure> https://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/3dxml_gallery/3dxml_models/3DXML_models.zip
23:04 < kanzure> a "plm game"? https://www.3ds.com/fileadmin/corporate/goodies/plm_game/plmgame_en.exe
23:05 < kanzure> also: http://ocsprojects.opencascade.com/bugtracker/
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23:55 < kanzure> http://more.brlcad.org/model/havoc BRL-GSI Paris Air Show Soviet HAVOC Helicopter
23:56 < kanzure> genehacker: http://swdownload.solidworks.com/pdownload/cosmos/COSMOSM/cos295-180/COSMOSM295.exe
23:56 < kanzure> genehacker: http://svca.solidworks.com/pdownload/cosmos/COSMOSMotion/version2005/sp00/cmIEnglish.exe
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