--- Log opened Mon Sep 13 00:00:17 2010 00:23 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-81-110.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:37 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-82-190.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 00:42 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-82-190.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-216-234.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:15 -!- CryptoQuick [~CryptoQui@c-174-51-234-80.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:16 < CryptoQuick> joshcryer: still there, bud? :V 01:28 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:46 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-1-83.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:57 -!- Jappe2 [jappe2@kapsi.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:01 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap 03:14 -!- glytch [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: glytch] 03:15 < M-xDaeken> kanzure: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1686094 <-- emokit announced/released \o/ 04:01 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:02 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:14 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:21 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 04:22 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:23 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 04:43 -!- M-xDaeken is now known as Daeken 04:45 -!- panax [~panax@cpe-72-185-51-10.tampabay.res.rr.com] has quit [] 06:06 < kanzure> Daeken: looks deleted 06:06 < kanzure> oh well i'll settle for http://daeken.com/emokit-hacking-the-emotiv-epoc-brain-computer-0 06:08 < Utopiah> moved to github 06:09 < kanzure> Daeken: the link on daeken.com is broken 06:09 < Daeken> kanzure: posterous is failing it. hard. 06:09 < Daeken> http://github.com/daeken/Emokit/blob/master/Announcement.md 06:13 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:21 < kanzure> whois jason radolec 06:22 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:23 -!- elmom [~elmom@hoasnet-fe29dd00-137.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:23 < Daeken> kanzure: he's one of my business partners -- why do you ask? 06:24 < Daeken> curious as to where that name came from :P 06:24 < kanzure> i pull names out of my ass like it's nothing 06:25 < Daeken> haha 06:28 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-1-83.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00 -!- splicer [~splicer@92.39.2.27] has quit [] 07:12 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:16 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:17 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:18 < kanzure> http://noteleaf.com/ an app for "remembering people you meet" ? 07:30 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:59 -!- patrik_ [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:00 -!- patrik_ is now known as splicer 08:11 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:16 -!- dustbin [~chatzilla@adsl-71-145-146-189.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:20 -!- mheld [~mheld@129.10.223.239] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:58 < kanzure> "hi bryan this is natasha vita-more.. i just got back from holland so, if you wa--" wait, holland? 09:00 < kanzure> raymond mccauley got into "nature medicine" news for his diygenomics.org stuff 09:00 < kanzure> http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v16/n9/full/nm0910-953.html 09:00 -!- glytch [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:09 < kanzure> these guys are proposing a "panel of citizen scientists to review possibly environmentally disasterous science" or something http://research.dynamicpatterns.com/2010/09/12/citizen-science-panels-proposed-for-the-united-states/ 09:09 < kanzure> (seems like a publicity stunt to me) 09:10 < kanzure> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SetiQuest "setiQuest is a project of the SETI Institute aimed to improve the search for extra terrestrial intelligence by opening the source code of the software used on the Allen Telescope Array (ATA) to the public for improvement and expansion." 09:10 < kanzure> http://setiquest.org/ 09:11 < kanzure> bah it looks like they are just testing the waters "We are still working on the schedule and modalities of open sourcing this software. The tentative date for starting publication is the second to third quarter of 2010." 09:11 < kanzure> open source isn't something you just poop out into the community 09:11 < kanzure> oh.. 09:11 < kanzure> git clone git://github.com/setiQuest/setiCode.git 09:13 < kanzure> "# A new curses based information display called sonATADisplay" heh 09:15 < kanzure> rebuilding a jeep in under 4min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgwF8mdQwlw 09:15 < kanzure> doesn't have breaks O_o 09:15 < kanzure> some commentary http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1681967 09:17 < kanzure> is using 10 men cheating? 09:18 < Daeken> man, reading that last line out of context was a bad thing. 09:19 < Redeemer> Agreed. Also good chuckles at the jeep rebuild 09:35 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:37 -!- mheld [~mheld@129.10.223.239] has quit [Quit: mheld] 09:38 -!- mheld [~mheld@129.10.223.239] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:39 -!- epitron [~epitron@unaffiliated/epitron] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39 -!- epitron__ [~epi@unaffiliated/epitron] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43 -!- mheld [~mheld@129.10.223.239] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:01 < kanzure> "human enhancement" my ass.. http://www.myfoxny.com/dpp/news/offbeat/woman-has-worlds-largest-breast-implants-removed-newscore20100909 10:01 < kanzure> but as it turns out, i know the pathologist who got her tissue samples 10:01 < kanzure> he's trying to arrange permission from sheyla to post the microscopy to flikr 10:06 < uniqanomaly_> she should be amongst first who get intelligence amplification brain implants, so I guess it is somehow related to "human enhancement" 10:08 < kanzure> natasha interviewing giulio prisco on.. something or other 10:08 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/mind-and-man-getting-mental-giulio-prisco 10:09 < kanzure> http://bioart.jp/ a tumblr blog on diybio and synthetic biology 10:10 < kanzure> another one: http://diybiology.blogspot.com/ 10:10 < kanzure> and another: http://biohacker.kibu.hu/ 10:10 < kanzure> and another.. http://biopunk.hu/ probably splicer or something 10:11 < kanzure> woah biocurious jumped up to $27k pledged 10:11 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:11 < kanzure> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1040581998/biocurious-a-hackerspace-for-biotech-the-community 10:12 < kanzure> i guess the newsblitz from the kickstarter newsletter helped 10:12 < Daeken> http://hackaday.com/2010/09/13/python-library-for-emotiv-eeg/ :D 10:12 < kanzure> haha 10:12 < kanzure> hackaday: taking what HN won't 10:14 < kanzure> hmm i was hoping there'd be more comments on that article 10:17 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:17 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:33 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:36 < kanzure> hi archels 10:37 < kanzure> welcome to your friendly neighborhood bio-hacking chromosome-distilling pro-human-enhancement cat-herding channel 10:38 < kanzure> Daeken: yo, hplusmagazine.com would like an interview today 10:38 < kanzure> you game? 10:38 < Daeken> hell, sure 10:38 < Daeken> when? 10:38 < kanzure> uh, i have to do a few phone call at the moment but presumably within the next 6 hours 10:38 < Daeken> cool 10:38 < Daeken> let me know 10:39 < kanzure> see pm 10:51 < archels> hello kanzure 10:51 < archels> I had no idea there was a transhumanism channel on freenode! 10:52 < Daeken> archels: neither did i, until just a couple weeks ago 10:52 < phryk> archels: I hereby officially welcome you in our midst. 10:52 < archels> thanks! 10:53 < phryk> Not that I am by any sense some official instance, but hey, won't get any better than this ;P 10:53 < archels> good enough for me. 10:53 < archels> btw, the last URL in the topic is dead. 10:53 < phryk> what? heybryan.org is down? 10:54 < archels> apparently 10:54 < phryk> orly 10:54 < phryk> kanzure: Your page died? 10:54 < archels> It's not just you! http://heybryan.org looks down from here. 10:54 < phryk> Heh 10:54 < phryk> isitdownforeveryoneorjustme.com or something like that, right?^^ 10:54 < archels> That very site. 10:55 < phryk> ^_^ 10:55 < phryk> I only notice it's dark in my room when I try to eat... 10:56 < phryk> apparently it's down long enough for google to forget it... 10:56 < katsmeow-afk> http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ 10:57 < katsmeow-afk> It's not just you! http://heybryan.org looks down from here. 10:57 < phryk> It's not just you! http://rap.ing looks down from here. 10:57 < phryk> Very unlikely. 10:59 < archels> Speaking of URLs, does anyone want to buy engineeringtranshumanism.com? :) 10:59 < Daeken> ooo... 11:00 < Daeken> if i had money, i'd do so. 11:00 < phryk> ask splicer, apparently he has shitloads of domains ^^; 11:01 < phryk> I'm currently fine with phryk.net and some opennic domains 11:01 < archels> One of my brilliant ideas that never fleshed out. 't was going to be like singularityhub, except I never got around to developing it. Then singularityhub came to be. 11:01 < phryk> heh 11:03 < archels> splicer: ^ 11:10 < kanzure> archels: singularityhub sucks, so you're still ok 11:10 < kanzure> hplusmagazine.com can totally be outclassed in every single way *easily* 11:10 < kanzure> but the real question is: do you really want to be doing news? or do you want to come build shit with us 11:11 < archels> H+mag isn't everything, but it has authority. 11:12 < kanzure> actually, until a month ago, hplusmagazine.com was an independent publication 11:12 < archels> Myself, I prefer actually building shit (e.g. www.conncad.com), but fortunately in 2010 we have this phenomenon called "blogging." :) 11:13 < Daeken> kanzure: wait, it's part of Humanity+ now? 11:13 < Daeken> i missed this. 11:13 < archels> kanzure: Yes, and I meant that its purchase gives it even more authority. 11:13 < kanzure> it was "sold" to humanity+ 11:13 < Daeken> interesting. 11:13 < kanzure> they were so screwed 11:13 < Daeken> lol 11:13 < kanzure> archels: on a related note i've been working on an open source CAD kernel written in python 11:14 < Daeken> how's that coming? 11:14 < kanzure> i see that conncad is more about creating neural nets 11:14 < archels> kanzure: Can I see? 11:14 < kanzure> Daeken: for the longest time i was trying to pick a name (it was down to lolcad and tinycad, and tinycad was taken) 11:14 < kanzure> i'm going with patchcad, though 11:14 < Daeken> ah, cool 11:14 < archels> heh, interesting convergence on the names. 11:14 < Daeken> kanzure: if you ever kill it, you're going to rename it to cadaver, right? 11:15 < kanzure> Daeken: no, incommunicad 11:15 < Daeken> haha 11:15 < kanzure> archels: yeah i was having a hayday with naming http://pastebin.ca/1939262 11:16 < archels> Is your name Bryan? 11:16 < kanzure> yes 11:17 < archels> Any screenshots? 11:17 < archels> '0cad' lol l33t. 11:17 < kanzure> my connection is lagging right now 11:17 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-19-python-opengl-opennurbs.png 11:17 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-24-1610-runten-pynurbs.png 11:18 < kanzure> http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-08-30-0234.png (no, i was just watching star trek at the time apparently, it doesn't have anything to do with the nurbs object) 11:18 < Daeken> lol, love the hostname ;) 11:18 < archels> This looks more like a 3D engine than a CAD kernel. 11:19 < kanzure> the core functionality is that it exports CAD to ISO 10303-21 (STEP) format files 11:19 < kanzure> nobody is going to use this if they can't see what they are doing 11:19 < kanzure> so i've been adding a small opengl portview to show the nurbs objects 11:19 < kanzure> but it's all scripting-based 11:20 < kanzure> you can use sympy to do parametric geometry, constraints, etc., and just re-run "make-me-a-model-of-a-oneill-habitat.py" or something 11:20 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:21 < kanzure> some core functionality is presently missing (like combining/sewing/fusing/cutting multiple nurbs objects at once) 11:21 < archels> alright, well, I'm coming along decently with my own CAD engine, 12k lines now. I considered (and used) 3D in an earlier stage, but tore it out... 11:21 < kanzure> but stuff like extruding a nurbs object works 11:21 < kanzure> archels: yeah? 11:21 < archels> at times I'm sad that I did 11:21 < kanzure> have you played around with brlcad, opencascade, pythonCAD, pythonOCC, graphiteone, heekscad, freecad, ..? 11:22 < archels> negative, although I've evaluated a number of Java libraries. 11:22 < kanzure> what is the representation data structure in your kernel? 11:23 < archels> The GUI part has a simple class hierarchy. The neural nets are laid out in a graph. 11:23 < kanzure> oh this isn't the same thing as a solid geometry kernel :P 11:23 < archels> not quite! :) 11:23 < kanzure> so basically it's a graph manipulation library 11:24 < archels> You could call it that. 11:24 < kanzure> i was previously "working" on this project with my advisor: http://graphsynth.com/ 11:24 < kanzure> so it was a graph manipulation front-end plus some functions to use generative grammars.. 11:24 < kanzure> we did some neural net modelling and dynamic-reconstruction-of-neural-networks-to-be-more-efficient 11:25 < phryk> kanzure: Love your naming scheme^^ 11:25 < kanzure> which one? 11:25 * phryk is currently working on shitocide 11:25 < phryk> the one where you rename your dead cad project incommunicad ^^ 11:25 < kanzure> ah, yeah that's totally jrayhawk's doing 11:26 < kanzure> so anyway, i promised dustbin that i'd have the python/CAD kernel up in a repository by yesterday 11:26 < kanzure> i should go do that :P 11:27 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:28 < phryk> heh 11:39 < kanzure> git clone git://diyhpl.us/lolcad.git 11:40 < kanzure> also it's a wiki http://diyhpl.us/lolcad/ 11:40 < kanzure> (in the git repo) 11:40 < kanzure> i think i'll be doing some cleanup on the codebase, adding in more unit tests 11:41 < kanzure> .. before starting patchcad.git 11:41 < kanzure> oh crud i forgot to commit the code 11:42 < kanzure> there you go 12:02 < drazak> we should get a cia bot in here to show commits 12:07 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:07 -!- drazak_ [~ahdfadkfa@drazak.net] has quit [Client Quit] 12:10 -!- splicer [~patrik@h126n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:12 < kanzure> drazak: we have one 12:13 < kanzure> CIA-36: *pet* 12:13 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14 < drazak> oh 12:14 < drazak> I didn't see a commit message 12:14 < drazak> or do you still have to push? 12:14 < kanzure> i haven't added a hook 12:15 < drazak> ah 12:20 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:27 < kanzure> "Being that the DMCA protects against decrypting copyrighted data, would that imply that your raw EEG data is copyrighted?" 12:27 < kanzure> that was from http://hackaday.com/2010/09/13/python-library-for-emotiv-eeg/ 12:29 < jrayhawk> It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they tried to claim that in a takedown notice. 12:30 < jrayhawk> It's good that he's getting this spread far and wide before they have a chance to. 12:30 < Daeken> jrayhawk: they can feel free to try :P 12:31 < kanzure> jrayhawk: i'm publishing an interview i just did with Daeken to hplusmagazine.com 12:31 < kanzure> it includes a small tutorial on how to use emokit :P 12:31 < kanzure> finally hplusmagazine will be doing something useful 12:32 < uniqanomaly_> I guess they could pull out some reverse engineering laws 12:33 < kanzure> they are in the philippines 12:33 < Daeken> uniqanomaly_: oh, there's plenty of stuff they could try, but i don't think any of it would hold up in court 12:34 < jrayhawk> Well, you obviously got that key from somewhere. 12:34 < Daeken> jrayhawk: reverse-engineering for the purpose of interoperability is a well-established and battle tested practice in the US 12:35 < kanzure> you know, it probably would have been better to just post a python script 12:35 < kanzure> that would extract the key from the .exe file 12:35 < uniqanomaly_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controversy 12:35 < kanzure> even if you just give people the byte offset 12:35 < uniqanomaly_> The controversy was further escalated in early May 2007, when aggregate news site Digg received a DMCA cease and desist notice and then removed numerous articles on the matter and banned users reposting the information 12:35 < Daeken> haha, i actually don't know where the key comes from in the binary. it's not there in plaintext, afaik (i may be wrong on that, though). i just pulled it out of memory :P 12:36 < Daeken> uniqanomaly_: that's quite a bit different, though -- AACS is a copy protection system, which the DMCA is relevant for 12:36 < Daeken> see Lexmark v Static Control Components for a more relevant case 12:37 < kanzure> i can see the news backlash: "anarchist transhumanists have.." (once it's posted to hplusmagazine.com) 12:37 < kanzure> or "a group of hackers known as trans-humanists.." 12:37 < Daeken> hahah 12:37 < kanzure> which is funny because you're probably not self-identifying as transhumanist 12:38 < Daeken> oh, i very much am :P 12:43 < jrayhawk> FHI or SI people can probably be convinced to write articles on epistemology and rationality for hplusmagazine pretty easily. 12:43 < uniqanomaly_> Daeken, youre right, encrypted data doesn't really fit into copyrighted work category 12:44 < kanzure> honestly i don't want the lesswrong.com ilk coming into Humanity+ 12:44 < kanzure> they will just complain about existential risks and how they wouldn't know a worm gear from a bevel gear 12:48 < jrayhawk> Most of the lousy stuff on lw/ob seems to be written by non-SI/FHI people, so far as I can tell. 12:54 < kanzure> hmm 13:06 -!- patrickkmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:06 < archels> kanzure: heh, heh 13:11 -!- patrickmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:19 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:20 < kanzure> hplusmagazine.com sez "wow that sounds like something we need to post immediately" 13:23 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:30 < Alystair> kanzure: have any digest-making app hidden up your sleeve for this room? 13:31 < kanzure> unpaid slaves 13:31 < kanzure> (no) 13:31 < Alystair> hmm wonder how much it would cost on mechanical turk to do that 13:31 < Alystair> summizing service 13:32 < kanzure> 1 cent every 10 lines or $1 for 1k lines? 13:32 < kanzure> although it would have to have continuity 13:33 < Daeken> kanzure: any word on the article? i'm anxious to see this before i crash out :P 13:33 < kanzure> r.u. just sent me an email asking how to spell your name (one d) 13:33 < Daeken> ahh 13:34 < Alystair> Daeken: you're getting famous? :) 13:34 < Daeken> Alystair: haha, something like that 13:34 < kanzure> ah i mispelled it once 13:36 < kanzure> apparently this is roman lygin's latest gig: http://www.cadexchanger.com/ 13:36 < kanzure> (we know him from the opencascade world) 13:46 < Alystair> how'd you get your hands on one of the headsets? 13:46 < Daeken> Alystair: got donations 13:46 < Alystair> I meant it's sold out on their site 13:46 < Daeken> oh 13:46 < Daeken> picked it up on ebay :) 13:47 < kanzure> the one i was playing with was given to me as a temporary gift 13:48 < kanzure> Alystair: they are taking preorders at the moment, however 13:49 < kanzure> haha 13:49 < kanzure> "Enterprise Plus Edition" $7500 http://emotiv.com/apps/sdk/207/ 13:49 < Daeken> kanzure: i put in an order for one, and it got refunded and canceled. 13:50 < Alystair> well that's a good sign then 13:50 < Alystair> if they are refunding 13:50 < Alystair> it means they are being honest about it and are working to get more stock, hopefully 13:54 < phryk> kanzure: where the hell do you take your motivation from? 13:55 < kanzure> oh it's easy when you sacrifice your physical health and well-being 13:55 < phryk> My body is all fucked up, anyways. go on... 13:56 < kanzure> but to be honest i don't really know 13:56 < phryk> darn 13:56 < kanzure> part of it is adderall 13:56 < phryk> mhh 13:56 < Alystair> phryk: amphetamiens! 13:56 < Alystair> yeaaaaaaaaaaah 13:56 < phryk> when i was a kid i got that stuff too 13:56 < Alystair> my house has never been so spotless 13:56 < phryk> mhh german name for it was different, though... 13:56 < phryk> Alystair: I only take dex on raves... 13:57 < phryk> don't you get like an amphetamine acne if you take dex too often? 13:57 < Alystair> ?_? 13:57 < phryk> ? 13:57 < Alystair> I take perscribed ritalin 13:57 < Alystair> never heard of that before 13:57 < phryk> dex = dexadrine = dextroamphetamin = amphetamine 13:57 < Alystair> same dif. 13:58 < phryk> dex is what you get as pep, speed or yaba (not meth) 13:58 < phryk> yes, ritalin was the name of the stuff i got, when i was a kid^^ 13:58 < phryk> i once overdosed... I think it was the worst day in the lives of the teachers i had at that time :D 13:59 < kanzure> one of my former psychiatrists prescribed me 60mg of adderall/day 14:00 < kanzure> it was quite crazy 14:00 < phryk> I don't know how much i got... 14:00 < phryk> long ago... 14:01 < kanzure> > Please let me know if you're good with the title. I should have this ready 14:01 < phryk> I passed the math exam just because i learned on dex the day before and took a bomb-thingy just before the exam 14:01 < kanzure> > to post shortly. Also, if you have a suggestion for visuals, please send 14:01 < kanzure> > along and I'll have those added by the design guys (Thomas McCabe etc.) 14:01 < kanzure> > asap. 14:01 < kanzure> wtf since when is thomas one of the design guys 14:01 < Alystair> layoffs? 14:02 < kanzure> what? 14:02 < Alystair> there was someone else before? 14:02 < kanzure> uh, no, i mean.. uh 14:02 < kanzure> i've known thomas for a few years 14:03 < kanzure> and it just surprises me that he's doing that 14:03 < kanzure> i guess he did mention something about volunteering for the magazine 14:03 < kanzure> tmccabe37: hi! 14:03 < kanzure> heh 14:03 < Alystair> speak of the devil 14:10 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17 < kanzure> "Giulio is a physicist, computer scientist, and former senior manager of the European space administration" 14:18 < kanzure> hmm since when? ESA? that's a kinda important detail i didn't know 14:26 < kanzure> http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/13/freeopen-library-to.html 14:34 < kanzure> http://hplusmagazine.com/editors-blog/emotiv-epoc-eeg-headset-hacked 14:34 < kanzure> there we go 14:35 < Daeken> awesome! 14:35 < glytch> http://hackaday.com/2010/09/13/python-library-for-emotiv-eeg/ 14:35 < kanzure> glytch: the hplusmagazine.com link there is a full interview 14:35 < kanzure> hehe 14:36 < glytch> i'm watching an ebay auction for an epoc now :) 14:37 < tmccabe37> kanzure: Hey 14:37 < Daeken> glytch: awesome 14:37 < kanzure> hi tmccabe37 14:37 < kanzure> thanks for getting the article up 14:38 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:38 < Alystair> I swear we better have a ghost-in-the-shell inter-brain HUD by the time I'm 40 or else I'm pissed 14:38 < Alystair> baby steps :( 14:38 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39 < tmccabe37> I've been one of the design guys since July 14:39 < tmccabe37> (when it was re-launched) 14:39 < glytch> Alystair: that just made me imagine a third optic nerve that we send video signals to directly 14:42 < tmccabe37> kanzure: Thanks 14:42 < tmccabe37> In general, I try to do everything as needed :) 14:55 < dustbin> kanzure: I took a look at the code 14:55 < kanzure> it's kinda sadder than i thought it would be 14:56 < kanzure> i'm sorry to disappoint everyone 14:56 < kanzure> i'll be doing some cleanup 14:56 < dustbin> heh 14:57 < dustbin> well I have free time so I can do some cleanup work if you give me parameters 14:57 < kanzure> also i didn't commit the opengl stuff because i haven't decided how to incorporate it :x 14:57 < kanzure> i have a nurbs.py file and a visu.py file somewhere 14:57 < kanzure> the nurbs.py file is pretty obvious and much more cleanly written 14:58 -!- Noahj [~noa@24.38.179.66] has joined #hplusroadmap 14:58 < kanzure> um, so yeah 14:58 < kanzure> export_step is where everything is at 14:58 < kanzure> and i need to do unit tests on it 14:58 < kanzure> or somehow turn it into a more OOP-friendly method 14:59 < kanzure> if you look at test_sphere you'll see that my test is just using the classes and methods to create a STEP file 14:59 < kanzure> and then literally print those out 14:59 < kanzure> into the proper syntax 14:59 < kanzure> but export_step is super messy 15:03 < kanzure> to be honest the most productive use of your time would be to read the code and yell at me ferociously every few minutes to insult me for awful things 15:04 < QuantumG> wow, I never knew I was being productive 15:04 < QuantumG> jerk 15:07 < kanzure> you're forgetting the "look at the code" ingredient 15:07 < kanzure> example: 15:07 < kanzure> < QuantumG> print x 15:08 < kanzure> < QuantumG> kanzure: YOU ARE A MORON WHY DO YOU EVEN EXIST 15:09 < QuantumG> picky 15:09 < dustbin> my understanding of best practices in python is somewhat lacking, but I do get the feeling this is too monolithic 15:10 * QuantumG needs breakfast 15:10 < kanzure> dustbin: yes 15:11 < kanzure> let me commit the nurbs stuff before i shame myself 15:12 < kanzure> ok pull 15:13 < kanzure> open science summit 2010 videos are up 15:13 < kanzure> http://fora.tv/partner/Open_Science_Summit 15:14 < Alystair> just went up? :) 15:15 < kanzure> oh crappp 15:15 < kanzure> bioethics.gov has been streaming all day 15:16 < kanzure> this is the one where jason bobe is presenting 15:19 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:32 -!- panax [panax@goldstandard.eng.usf.edu] has quit [] 15:41 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:43 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:44 < kanzure> "biohacker Meredith Patterson clad in a full length black leather coat recited a rousing rendition of the Biopunk Manifesto" 15:44 < kanzure> trinity much? 15:45 < kanzure> source: http://reason.org/news/show/citizen-science-microfinanced-resea 15:51 < kanzure> emokit stuff on HN http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1687432 15:51 -!- patrickmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:52 -!- patrickmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:07 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:07 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:08 < fenn> "honestly i don't want the lesswrong.com ilk coming into Humanity+" too late, they have a board member now 16:09 < kanzure> they got vassar? 16:11 < fenn> doesn't mccabe post at lesswrong occasionally? 16:11 < fenn> http://lesswrong.com/user/tommccabe 16:12 < kanzure> yeah he's pretty deep in that community, i see your point 16:14 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:15 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:17 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:21 -!- enkiam [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- ybit [~ybit@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:22 -!- enkiam is now known as eridu 16:58 < kanzure> superkuh: http://slackology.net/wxnotes.html 16:58 < kanzure> they monitor background radiation in the atmosphere with some geiger counters hooked up to a tweetawatt 16:59 < superkuh> Neat. Thanks for the tip. 16:59 < kanzure> point of contact for that is 'ambers' on freenode 17:12 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:39 -!- patrickmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:41 -!- patrickmclaren [~patrickmc@vps.patrickmclaren.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:56 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 17:58 < kanzure> hi redeemer 17:58 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:06 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:29 < MDRedeemer> Allo thar 18:29 < MDRedeemer> My internets is saying I cannot have consistent connection 18:32 -!- Helleshin [~Helleshin@cpe-71-67-103-109.cinci.res.rr.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:52 < kanzure> hi Helleshin 18:52 < Helleshin> hi 19:01 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:05 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:05 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:05 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:05 < kanzure> bgoertzel sez: "we're gonna be using NeuroSky in our OpenCog project in HongKong" 19:12 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:15 -!- MDRedeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:17 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-237-18.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:23 < QuantumG> is NeuroSky some barely started abortion of a project too? 19:25 < kanzure> http://neurosky.com/ 19:27 < QuantumG> heh, so having gotten OpenCog to do nothing with standard user interfaces, they're adding support for exotic ones? 19:27 < kanzure> nah he claims it's just for making it sexy 19:27 < QuantumG> ya know what makes software sexy? actually doing something worth the effort of running it. 19:28 < kanzure> yeah but it READS YOUR MIND! 19:28 < kanzure> hell if i kno 19:28 < kanzure> *know 19:32 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:45 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:01 -!- phryk [~phryk@yggdrasil.phryk.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01 -!- phryk [~phryk@yggdrasil.phryk.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:09 < fenn> stalk: matt carney 21:13 < kanzure> not found O_o 21:16 < fenn> you probably wouldnt have been interested anyway 21:18 < fenn> mechanical engineer, used to work at makani power, now ideo, into robotics and face tracking 21:20 < kanzure> oh sounds awful (?) 21:21 < kanzure> i guess you claim i wouldn't be interested because of the face tracking part 21:21 < fenn> oh wtf he's at meka too? 21:22 < kanzure> fenn any ideas on cleaning up lolcad (architecturally) 21:23 < kanzure> i'm not using sdai for step (i wrote my own pile of crap since it's better than just trusting generated code) 21:23 < kanzure> but the export_step method is a big pile of spagetti 21:24 < fenn> oh fuck that's who the dudes with safari hats were 21:25 < kanzure> are you trying to figure out what happened at burning man 21:26 < fenn> yes 21:26 < fenn> http://www.xlounge.com/neverwas/neverwas_proposal_clip_image004.jpg 21:26 < fenn> was just talking to one of those guys (maybe) in my room 21:27 < kanzure> are they standing in front of a time machine? 21:27 < fenn> no, time machine camp is on the other side of town 21:27 < fenn> er, time traveler camp 21:28 < fenn> next to todd's camp 21:30 < dustbin> I really need to get out to a burn of some sort 21:30 < fenn> funny i didnt even notice google instant until i saw the 'instant is on' notice 21:30 < dustbin> probably burning flipside next year at least 21:30 < fenn> meh 21:31 < fenn> good way to be underwhelmed 21:31 < dustbin> flipside isn't so good eh? 21:32 < fenn> well, velveeta isn't cheese but it's okay on fried bread with tomato soup 21:32 < dustbin> haha 21:33 < dustbin> I do have the advantage of it being very local 21:34 < fenn> flipside: http://www.kimritter.com/weblog/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/flipside-023.jpg 21:35 < fenn> burning man: http://fennetic.net/irc/burningman_2010.jpg 21:36 < fenn> kanzure can you have your secretary do some video editing for me 21:36 < kanzure> wazzup 21:37 < fenn> nevermind 21:37 < fenn> just bitching about 1:1 playback 21:38 < dustbin> you know I had an idea about that 21:38 < dustbin> we can perceive a bit faster than 1:1 21:38 < fenn> i usually watch lectures at 1.7 21:38 < fenn> no pitch shifting, makes it garbled 21:38 < dustbin> maybe it would be worth it to have variable speed based on the amount of audio video change in a series of frames 21:39 < fenn> nah has to be smarter than that, or you get lots of footage of me riding my bike around 21:39 < dustbin> ok sure 21:40 < dustbin> I guess relevent complexity is hard to pin down 21:40 < fenn> i was planning on monitoring EEG for signs of "arousal" (thanks, psychologists, sheesh) 21:41 < fenn> GSR, pupil dilation, changes in breathing would be good indicators also 21:41 < kanzure> eyebrow state 21:41 < fenn> fascinating 21:55 < fenn> this scan converter works pretty good 21:55 < fenn> hah eri + joseph + guido just showed up 21:55 < kanzure> where are you? 21:56 < QuantumG> leather party no doubt 21:56 < kanzure> guido's into that, but i dunno about eri 21:59 < QuantumG> btw, I wonder why no-one at Microsoft told the Silverlight team how major/minor versioning works 22:00 < QuantumG> Silverlight = 2.0.5.0, not backwards compatible with 2.0.0.0, and 3.0.0.0 isn't backwards compatible with Silverlight, but is backwards compatible with 2.0.0.0. Way to fail. 22:04 < ybit> QuantumG: windows...? 22:04 < QuantumG> .net but yes 22:05 < QuantumG> if you love Miguel you can have it on linux too 22:06 < ybit> hrm.. 22:06 < ybit> dunno what miguel is 22:06 < QuantumG> he's the traitor of the Linux community 22:06 < ybit> i successfully played around with nanorex on me winxp virtual machine earlier 22:06 < kanzure> the gnome person 22:07 < kanzure> that should have had a question mark at the end: is he the gnome person? 22:07 < ybit> yeah, that doesn't clear up anything 22:07 < kanzure> ybit: there was a big fiasco about gnome becoming dependent on mono/.NET.. 22:07 < ybit> eek 22:07 < kanzure> yeah.. 22:07 < QuantumG> Miguel's love of all things Microsoft goes far beyond .net too 22:08 < ybit> i thought about c# once because there are so many jobs for it, but i didn't want to be sucked into what seems to be a trap 22:09 < ybit> c# isn't a terrible language, by itself 22:11 < QuantumG> it's an ok java alternative 22:20 -!- Daeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:20 -!- M-xDaeken [~Daeken@pa-67-234-2-184.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:24 < kanzure> ybit: did you read the backlog? 23:32 -!- glytch [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: glytch] 23:40 -!- glytch [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:42 -!- glytch [~elise@pool-71-164-148-252.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Client Quit] 23:47 < joshcryer> CryptoQuick, QuantumG got me thinking again about a parallel rewriting system that could be suitable for everyday objects, such as chairs, beds, etc. 23:47 < joshcryer> CryptoQuick, and given the absurd popularity of Minecraft I thought of a game idea that could incorporate such systems while also making a few pennies maybe. 23:48 < CryptoQuick> it's insane how popular that game is 23:48 < CryptoQuick> which is great, because Nanoblok is very similar, or will be, in a sense 23:48 < joshcryer> Yeah it's obscene really. 23:48 < joshcryer> Guys a millionare already. 23:48 < joshcryer> What could the open hardware movement do with a million bucks. 23:48 < joshcryer> I dunno. 23:49 < joshcryer> End poverty or something? World domination at the least... ;) 23:49 < CryptoQuick> I was thinking, once I got Nanoblok's engine going, it would be totally sweet if someone could design an auxon system in it. 23:49 < joshcryer> So the idea is to take Notcis and add Minecraft. 23:49 < joshcryer> And optimistically a formal grammer to make 'things.' 23:50 < QuantumG> heh, you saw that term on Selenian Boondocks 23:50 < CryptoQuick> haha, josh, your idea is my iea 23:50 < QuantumG> stop stalking me :) 23:50 < joshcryer> So you could plop down on a fully populated civilization. 23:50 < CryptoQuick> QuantumG: I saw that term because I said the term :P 23:50 < QuantumG> Alex T? 23:50 < CryptoQuick> whois me :P 23:50 < joshcryer> Haha 23:51 < QuantumG> well that's ok then 23:51 < CryptoQuick> so... stop stalking ME 23:51 < CryptoQuick> sir 23:51 < CryptoQuick> :P 23:51 < QuantumG> see my last post on that thread? http://selenianboondocks.com/2010/09/transitions/ 23:51 < joshcryer> And technically. 23:51 < joshcryer> He got the term from ME 23:51 < joshcryer> From a paper I provided to this channel. :P 23:51 < CryptoQuick> oh sweet, they're looking at Louisville, CO 23:52 < QuantumG> scary.. I replied to him pretending I knew what he was talking about because of that paper 23:52 < CryptoQuick> I should totally work for him 23:52 < QuantumG> fucking echo chamber 23:52 < CryptoQuick> as an intern or something 23:52 < CryptoQuick> haha 23:52 < CryptoQuick> but yeah, Josh, how is your idea all that different from my idea? 23:53 < joshcryer> QuantumG our minds are all connected. 23:53 < joshcryer> Fuck H+ we already have it. 23:54 < joshcryer> CryptoQuick, eh, I'm thinking more of a mathematical approach. 23:54 < joshcryer> And screw voxels. 23:55 < CryptoQuick> minecraft is basically voxels, isn't it? 23:55 < joshcryer> Yeah! 23:55 < joshcryer> Ridiculous, haha. 23:55 < joshcryer> And before someone pops up and bashes me for thinking in terms of polygons, no, I appreciate CSG and NURBS, etc. 23:56 < joshcryer> And indeed, fundamentally l-systems are mathematical like NURBS, they're not polygons. 23:57 < joshcryer> aw crap I replied to your comment on FB, my bad, no offense intended 23:58 < CryptoQuick> so, you're going to have volumes, and attach things such as substance and momentum and other physical properties, to those volumes? 23:58 < joshcryer> So yeah, imagine, you're in a space ship, and instead of having some random terrain generated, you get a whole PLANET to play with. 23:58 < joshcryer> In a Noctis-inspired galaxy. 23:58 < QuantumG> CryptoQuick: you're beautiful.. you're beautiful.. you're beautiful, it's true. I saw your face, on a crowded webspace..... [/stalker] 23:58 < CryptoQuick> QuantumG: paint a pretty picture of me 23:59 < QuantumG> joshcryer: http://www-evasion.imag.fr/Membres/Eric.Bruneton/ 23:59 < joshcryer> QuantumG, <3, I saw this linked by you in #space I believe. 23:59 < CryptoQuick> oh, yeah, I saw this too --- Log closed Tue Sep 14 00:00:07 2010