--- Log opened Wed Sep 29 00:00:18 2010 00:09 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-83-171.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:24 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:07 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:11 -!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 01:17 -!- Redeemer [~lorddeeme@c-75-72-218-226.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has quit [] 01:44 < fenn> computer in a suitcase in a suitcase 01:49 < archels> kanzure: heh I read Visualizeit as a sort of German pun 01:55 < fenn> neat, i didnt know about the git submodule functionality 01:58 < fenn> real gears (finally) http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3575 02:08 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has joined #hplusroadmap 02:31 -!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 02:41 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:00 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-180-253-94.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 03:27 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-83-171.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 04:28 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:18 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-19-54.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #hplusroadmap 05:24 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:46 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:21 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:25 < fenn> cyborg cat.. http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=M_UyGP9d2R8&feature=related 06:30 < archels> Stephen Hawking as a cat! 06:31 < fenn> i like the random chatter about the singularity at the end of this video http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=MY8-sJS0W1I 06:32 < fenn> (more robot porn) 06:34 < fenn> this is a mildly entertaining (if slow) nao video http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=2STTNYNF4lk&feature=related 06:41 -!- marainein [~marainein@220-253-19-54.VIC.netspace.net.au] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 06:42 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:46 -!- joshcryer [~g@unaffiliated/joshcryer] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:50 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap 06:56 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:57 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:58 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:06 -!- archels [~neuralnet@541EEC68.cm-5-7d.dynamic.ziggo.nl] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:16 < JayDugger> Kanzure, did you bid on the scanner you mentioned yesterday? 07:17 < JayDugger> https://ricklevin.nextlot.com/public/lot/2826092 07:20 < JayDugger> The same auction has another scanner with a similar resale value. Bell & Howell Copiscan 8000 Spectrum Duplex Scanner 07:20 < JayDugger> https://ricklevin.nextlot.com/public/lot/2825642 07:31 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 07:41 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:42 < fenn> lots of neat stuff wrt motion planning in here http://openrave.programmingvision.com/index.php/Main_Page 07:45 < fenn> how the heck did i not find this earlier 07:45 < fenn> pretty sure i've seen the cereal box stacking demo 07:57 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has quit [Quit: codeshepherd] 07:58 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has joined #hplusroadmap 07:58 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has quit [Client Quit] 08:02 -!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:02 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:10 -!- augur_ [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:11 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:12 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:21 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:31 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:43 -!- patrik [~patrik@h193n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 08:44 -!- patrik is now known as splicer 08:54 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:10 < kanzure> "industrial controls: why Windows?" http://themoderatevoice.com/87179/industrial-controls-why-windows/ 09:19 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 09:19 < fenn> why is everyone so freaked out about stuxnet 09:20 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:23 -!- JayDugger [~duggerj@pool-173-74-76-197.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:41 < joshcryer> Everyone freaks out about technological fallibility. 09:42 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 09:43 -!- mheld [~mheld@c-75-69-89-109.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has left #hplusroadmap [] 09:44 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:45 < kanzure> fenn: because nobody knows how to program plcs anymore :P 09:46 < kanzure> it's overhyped but on the positive side i now have access to people who work in the control systems industry 09:47 < kanzure> stalk: Ron Southworth, Eric Byres , Shawn Merdinger , Éireann Leverett , Michael Toecker , Ivan Arce , Joe Weiss , Colin Cassidy 09:51 < masked> kanzure: 09:51 < masked> have you seen the epoc controlled robot 09:51 < masked> some consumer bot 09:52 < kanzure> was it a tiny robotic arm? 09:52 < masked> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNkkuMO5l7A 09:52 < masked> nah, Rovio 09:52 < masked> i have an arduino kit 09:52 < masked> well i have a few 09:53 < kanzure> wtf are "brain waves" 09:53 < kanzure> man, this is so lame 09:53 < masked> and some ubiquiti rocket's and other alike wifi devices that can run openwrt 09:53 * kanzure goes away 09:54 < masked> just haven't bought the battery powered rc car to mod 09:54 < masked> and damn it's been a long time.. lol it'll probably never happen 09:54 < masked> lol what kanzure ? 09:54 < kanzure> the world is being lame to me today 09:55 < kanzure> i'll bbl 09:55 < masked> they're all lepers 09:55 < masked> feel the power 09:55 < masked> ;) 09:55 < masked> peace 10:02 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@122-57-83-171.jetstream.xtra.co.nz] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:02 -!- JaredW [~JaredW@219-89-77-123.ipnets.xtra.co.nz] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:08 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:08 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@190.7.138.180] has quit [Changing host] 10:08 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@unaffiliated/kristianpaul] has joined #hplusroadmap 10:33 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:49 < kanzure> "There is an organization called Social and Environmental Entrepreneurs that will extend its 501c3 status to any organization that seems to be moving in their direction. It's what they do. You simply apply to "become a project" of their overarching corporate entity and you're covered." 10:49 < kanzure> huh 10:49 -!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:50 < kanzure> does anyone know who "viduata@gmail.com" is? 10:53 < kanzure> MITRE has two employees (jim barkley and sam) who are being /paid/ to work on ohroadmap 10:53 < kanzure> guess i better jump on that 11:03 -!- Ian_Daniher [~it@nat-pool-128-107.olin.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:22 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:24 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:38 < fenn> sam putman works at mitre? 11:38 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:45 -!- killall-9 [~paulc@diana.null.ro] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:48 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.214.247.202] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:49 -!- mheld [~mheld@216.214.247.202] has left #hplusroadmap [] 11:55 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 11:57 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:09 < kanzure> fenn: p. sure it's some other sam.. unless you saw sam putnam somewhere 12:20 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:24 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:24 -!- ybit2 [4c1df68b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.29.246.139] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:24 < ybit2> If anyone said anything to me within the past 48 hours or so, I missed it. 12:35 < phryk> I just ordered a tens. 12:35 < phryk> Should be fun with the magnet implant :D 12:39 -!- ybit [~quassel@unaffiliated/ybit] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:42 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 12:42 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46 -!- superkuh [hukrepus@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:39 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 13:45 < kanzure> poor drexler http://metamodern.com/2010/09/24/out-of-the-memory-hole-a-historian-speaks-out-on-nanotechnology/ 13:46 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48 -!- augur [~augur@129-2-175-79.wireless.umd.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:45 -!- ybit2 [4c1df68b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.76.29.246.139] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:50 < kanzure> dustbin: you around? 14:50 < kanzure> http://pastebin.ca/1951412 14:50 < kanzure> that's "toolkit3.py", a scratch file i've been using for my wxpython/opengl stuff for lolcad 14:51 < kanzure> there are a number of bugs that i have been stumped on.. 14:51 < kanzure> (1) when you maximize the window and then unmaximize it, the glcanvas is blank 14:53 < kanzure> (2) if you add SetMinSize to wx.Frame (to something like 200x200) when you resize the window down to the minimum size you can change the glcanvas display O_o (which should not be possible) 14:54 < kanzure> (3) if you disable the file menu bar and the statusbar, the canvas correctly "scales" the object. if you leave the statusbar and menu file bar on by default, the cube becomes occluded by the bars (indicating that the bars are drawn on top of the canvas).. so fixing that has escaped me so far 14:57 < kanzure> example of occlusion here (the window to the right): http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/screenshots/2010-09-29-1608-wxpython-glcanvas-occlusion.png 15:10 < kanzure> another example of #2 is if you comment out glViewport calls in OnSize (and optionally place in a call to self.OnPaint(event)), maximize the window, unmaximize, you'll see the object, but if you resize by one or two pixels the object "jumps" back to the center of the window 15:10 < kanzure> i guess that means #1 is fixed, uh, sort of 15:22 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 15:22 < dustbin> hey 15:24 < kanzure> hi 15:25 < dustbin> IIRC you are going to need to do some setup every time you resize 15:25 < dustbin> I can't remember how much needs to be done, but it's significant 15:31 < dustbin> the wx specific problems I don't know anything about 15:31 < dustbin> I worked in SDL and Java Swing in the past 15:32 < kanzure> heh, i was an allegro groupie so you're like a mortal enemy then :P 15:32 < kanzure> (lookup "sdl vs. allegro") 15:33 < dustbin> I'm vaguely familiar 15:35 < kanzure> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:04 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: 15:35 < kanzure> > The idea would be to position H+Mag as THE central source of info on 15:35 < kanzure> > transhumanist thinking. 15:35 < kanzure> i just don't see how to make that happen 15:38 -!- Juul [~Juul@h55eb1609.dkkoost.sta.perspektivbredband.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:44 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:01 < kanzure> hm maybe i can get h+ to centralize tax-deductible donations for neurorighter 16:01 < dustbin> I think I understand the wxPython/opengl way of doing things now and I think I understand problem 1 16:01 < kanzure> please explain :( 16:02 < dustbin> you don't need to do all of the init function on every resize 16:02 < dustbin> but you need some of it 16:02 < dustbin> rebuilding the view for one thing 16:02 < kanzure> gluPerspective() is what's important i think 16:03 < dustbin> right 16:04 < dustbin> and related things like glMatrixMode switching 16:04 < dustbin> the clearcolor cleardepth etc should hold over 16:15 -!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:37 -!- andares [~andares@weldorm-pat.netcom.duke.edu] has quit [Changing host] 16:37 -!- andares [~andares@unaffiliated/jacco] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:38 -!- memorex [~durp@97.67.109.107] has quit [Quit: memorex] 16:44 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:48 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57 -!- Phreedom_ [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has joined #hplusroadmap 16:57 -!- Phreedom [~quassel@109.254.6.63] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 18:04 < kanzure> "I mean this is one of the reasons that hardware manufacturers often don't open source their drivers. Because if they open source their drivers, then other hardware manufacturers will look at that and go, oh, well your hardware must stomp on this patent device." 18:04 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:04 < kanzure> lame 18:10 -!- wolfspraul [~wolfsprau@lucia.q-ag.de] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:23 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:40 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has joined #hplusroadmap 18:50 -!- jennifer2 [~jennifer@c-67-170-193-255.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 19:02 -!- kristianpaul [~kristianp@unaffiliated/kristianpaul] has left #hplusroadmap [] 19:30 < kanzure> tmccabe37: do you know if hplus summit la is happening this year still? 19:34 < tmccabe37> kanzure: It's being pushed back to December, but we're still planning it 19:35 < kanzure> this still says november: http://hplussummit2010west.eventbrite.com/ 20:04 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: nchaimov] 20:06 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has joined #hplusroadmap 20:09 -!- mheld [~mheld@pool-173-76-224-45.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Quit: mheld] 20:11 -!- augur [~augur@208-59-167-26.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:17 -!- nchaimov [nchaimov@c-71-237-208-209.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #hplusroadmap 21:24 -!- eridu [debian-tor@gateway/tor-sasl/eridu] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26 -!- splicer [~patrik@h193n1c1o261.bredband.skanova.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:51 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:06 -!- codeshepherd [~Deepan@122.167.104.134] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:26 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-134.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 22:30 -!- uniqanomaly [~ua@dynamic-78-8-85-34.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:59 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-87-134.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:13 -!- uniqanomaly_ [~ua@dynamic-78-8-83-140.ssp.dialog.net.pl] has joined #hplusroadmap 23:24 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24 -!- augur [~augur@208.58.6.161] has joined #hplusroadmap --- Log closed Thu Sep 30 00:00:17 2010