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02:52 < archels> kanzure: Could you elaborate on what the hplusroadmap project is, or what your intentions for it were/are?
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03:06 < Metafire> Oh, hi. There are actually more users here than I expected.
03:40 < archels> willkommen
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05:42 < kanzure> hi Metafire 
05:43 < kanzure> fenn: stanley knutson has been using http://www.stereopsis.com/flux/ for sleep
05:44 < kanzure> archels: hplusroadmap was a roadmapping project for transhuman tech. dunno what to tell you :)
05:44 < archels> kanzure: hehe. I think I found the wiki.
05:47 < archels> Pretty outrageous that you've been waiting a year for project status from Freenode.
05:50 < fenn> flux doesn't work on linux, unsurprisingly
05:51 < fenn> anyway you've already discovered redshift and xflux 
05:52 < kanzure> did i forget to pester stan or is he just ignoring my emails
05:52 < kanzure> ah, i never sent the email
05:52 < kanzure> hm
05:53 < fenn> http://jonls.dk/redshift/
05:53 < fenn> yeah, i was supposed to like, schmooze with him first, or something
05:53 < kanzure> strategy!
05:53 < fenn> apparently i need to work on my communication skills
05:53 < kanzure> just say "no"
05:54 < fenn> i thought it was "smile and nod"
05:54 < kanzure> i can't keep track
05:54 < kanzure> i also can't figure out how i would do sketch-based CAD in python
05:54 < kanzure> sketches are kinda hard to do by api
05:55 < fenn> so i just got passed over for an awesome job (probably the only job i actually wanted to do) because i'm not succinct enough (?)
05:55 < fenn> sketches are just 2d geometry
05:56 < fenn> what's so hard abotu that
05:57 < kanzure> solidworks really isn't csg, it's more like "select a surface, draw on it, and you're good to go"
05:57 < kanzure> sphere.to_surface() -> then line1.append(line2) ? i dunno
05:59 < fenn> wha?
06:00 < fenn> first make the sketch, then warp it to the surface
06:00 < fenn> in occ to make a helix you first make a diagonal line, then warp it around a cylindrical space
06:00 < kanzure> sketching by command doesn't come naturally to me
06:01 < fenn> just forget that it's a 2d geometry
06:01 < fenn> solidworks also has a helix demo, it's basically the same thing
06:01 < fenn> http://www.aboutsolidworks.com/helical_threads.htm
06:02 < kanzure> so, i was thinking that you might have weird surfaces that are not rectangular 
06:02 < fenn>  er, um, no, it's totally different. nevermind
06:02 < kanzure> cylindrical is rectangular
06:02 < fenn> you know about UV parameterization right?
06:02 < kanzure> i guess i can ignore those edge cases
06:02 < kanzure> yes
06:03 < fenn> i think UV works for everything except weird math topology class experiments
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06:04 < kanzure> one time i was making a foot clamp model in solidworks
06:05 < fenn> kinky
06:05 < kanzure> the underlying geometry had an 8-line polygon
06:05 < kanzure> and basically the way that i was going about it was drawing the rough sketch, the general shape,
06:05 < kanzure> then constraining the lines with respect to each other
06:06 < kanzure> line1 = Line((0,0), (5,5)) and all that just seems.. intense
06:06 < kanzure> i guess it could work
06:06 < kanzure> or svg import? :D
06:06 < fenn> there's a lot of information in a typical cad drawing
06:06 < fenn> there's a reason nobody uses brlcad :P
06:07 < kanzure> nobody uses brlcad because they don't want csg :P
06:07 < fenn> csg would be ok if it had easy shell creation and filleting
06:08 < fenn> i guess i ought to install solidworks, pity it's so huge
06:09 < kanzure> i saw a web app startup the other day.. they had abstracted wine into a ajax masterpiece
06:09 < kanzure> "run your apps anywhere!"
06:09 < kanzure> it was very strange
06:11 < fenn> hm i guess i could try vmware if wine doesnt work
06:11 < kanzure> wine probably won't work, yes
06:11 < fenn> i do have a windows partition lurking on this drive that i forgot about somehow
06:15 < kanzure> openscad imports dxf so that people don't have to do weird sketches
06:17 < fenn> of course importing other formats is important, but that doesn't mean you don't have to provide any api access to 2d geometry functions
06:18 < fenn> anybody have opinions qemu vs virtualbox vs ?
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06:20 < kanzure> you should just stick with vmware this time around
06:22 < fenn> i dont have vmware
06:23 < kanzure> go download it
06:23 < kanzure> it's on their site
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06:34 < fenn> hum apparently i have _two_ windows partitions (XP and NT)
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06:47 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
06:48 < JayDugger> Nice blog post, QuantumG. RLV Space Transport News reblogged it, if you don't already know.
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07:05 < fenn> ok this is slightly absurd http://imrannazar.com/Running-a-Windows-Partition-in-VMware
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08:27 < dbolser> masked: did it continue to work for 20 mins?
08:27 < dbolser> Utopiah: I was aware of that post yes.
08:27 < dbolser> 09 Oct 2008
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08:53 < masked> dbolser, the app i used was a demo and cut out after 10 tried with orbit downloader later and it didnt work
08:53 < masked> havent played back the bit i got
08:54 < dbolser> after 10 mins ?
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09:20 < Utopiah> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/jack.html
09:30 < masked> dbolser, yeh
09:34 < dbolser> masked: 9 mins longer than I've got...
09:38 < dbolser> Nothing makes sense in biology except in the light of evolution (Dobzhansky). 
09:39 < dbolser> Utopiah: this is quite interesting
09:40 < dbolser> Utopiah: I tried to lay down some principles here: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133311613374801&v=wall&story_fbid=133553513350611#!/topic.php?uid=133311613374801&topic=197
09:42 < Utopiah> dbolser: maybe http://pespmc1.vub.ac.be/SUPORGLI.html could help too
09:43 < dbolser> I'm interested in defining a computation for an evolving system
09:44 < dbolser> You can model some complex network of 'biological' interaction with some kind of intteraction function that computes strength of interaction between evolving strings, but what does the network do?
09:44 < Utopiah> maybe also http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0003624
09:45 < dbolser> yeah...
09:45 < Utopiah> and even more generally http://www.cs.cornell.edu/home/kleinber/networks-book/ http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/?cp=24301&view=usa&ci=0198515901 http://precedings.nature.com/documents/4894/version/2
09:46 < dbolser> scale free...
09:47 < dbolser> how about this : http://eutils.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11791232
09:47 < dbolser> sorry
09:47 < dbolser> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11791232
09:48 < dbolser> http://precedings.nature.com/documents/4894/version/2 2010??
09:49 < dbolser> here we show what has been known in the field for the last 10 years...
09:49 < dbolser> what is new here?
09:49 < Utopiah> I guess I dont really know at what level you are working on so it's a bit hard to see what model would be the more useful
09:49 < dbolser> oh, it's not peer reviewd
09:52 < Utopiah> "strength of interaction" maybe algorithmic game theory could help there
09:53 < Utopiah> (updates http://gephi.org/2010/gephi-0-7beta-released/ 
09:57 < Utopiah> dbolser: Id bet if you conform to his "vocabulary" he could give some interesting input ;)
09:59 < dbolser> who?
10:00 < Utopiah> Gregory Chaitin
10:00 < dbolser> Gdephi?
10:00 < dbolser> person?
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10:03 < dbolser> Utopiah: back to http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~chaitin/jack.html
10:04 < Utopiah> sorry, I tend to do topic (side topic
10:04 < dbolser> is there any game where you submit a program using a 'reality api' and the idea is to make your software 'live' in some kind of online reality?
10:04 < Utopiah> Gregory Chaitin wrote those pages on AIT and the recent 162p article on metabiology
10:04 < dbolser> I remember hearing about an 'asteroids' competition... you get pixel data from the game screen, and the idea is to write a prog to play asteroids
10:05 < dbolser> to standardize the entries, all progs run by talking to the game api
10:06 < dbolser> it would be cool to have some kind of game world for all such progs to compete
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10:07 < kanzure> http://blogs.biobus.org/2010/09/blue-ribbon-biobus/
10:07 < Utopiah> depends on what scale and model you want to conform to Id say
10:07 < kanzure> http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Russell_Durrett/Notebook/mtDNA
10:07 < Utopiah> dbolser: maybe http://www.innovativ.it/HistoricalArchives/Seedea/Seedea/Simulations can help
10:08 < dbolser> kanzure: congrats :D
10:09 < dbolser> kanzure: cool protocol
10:09 < dbolser> I reviewed a paper on that topic for rapid and robus species identification of meat products
10:10 < dbolser> Utopiah: cool
10:11 < dbolser> Utopiah: I started a topic on a 'bio-enterprize' forum called "is IP fit for purpose" arguing that we need a free market for ideas just like goods and services
10:11 < dbolser> esentially arguing for systems like seedea
10:11 < dbolser> so far no replies...
10:11 < Utopiah> well we can chat in PM if you want but right I gotta go
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10:12 < Utopiah> \right now
10:12 < dbolser> Utopiah: I'm thinking something along those lines, however, if you wanted to build a powerfull character, he would have to eat up a lot of other characters...
10:12 < dbolser> l8r
10:12 < Utopiah> ttyl
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10:17 < fenn> interesting possible basis for why fasting increases longevity http://metamodern.com/2010/07/24/autophagy-why-you-should-eat-yourself
10:17 < augur> dogopus!
10:18 < uniqanomaly> http://www.thegwpf.org/ipcc-news/1617-royal-society-bows-to-climate-change-sceptics.html
10:18 < uniqanomaly> they finally noticed, lol
10:19 < augur> noticed what
10:19 < uniqanomaly> "The Royal Society is publishing a new document today after a rebellion by more than 40 of its fellows who questioned mankind's contribution to rising temperatures."
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10:20 < augur> all of them not at all working on the issue, no doubt
10:20 < kanzure> don't bring the climate in here
10:20 < kanzure> take it to #space or #weather :P
10:21 < augur> dont take it to #space unless its space climatology.
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11:27 < Utopiah> http://nextbigfuture.com/2010/10/21000-exoskeleton-toy-for-kids.html
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11:39 < fenn> does it actually walk?
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11:40 < Utopiah> http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/products/other/ki-w/091222kw-v0.wmv
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11:55 < Utopiah> it rolls :/
12:01 < fenn> ah, brought to you by the same guys who made the other lame non-walking walker
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12:49 < memorex> makes sense?
12:50 < memorex> sorry, miss type.
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13:00 < panax> so my PI is asking me to stretch the truth in a paper
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13:04 < CryptoQuick> panax: that sounds interesting, what's up? :V
13:05 < panax> i guess i'll just roll with it its not very important
13:06 < CryptoQuick> probably a good idea
13:06 < CryptoQuick> gotta play the game
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14:32 < kanzure> dustbin: dunno if you ever tried pythonocc but it's a swig-based wrapper to opencascade
14:32 < kanzure> and it has a wxpython frontend with various key bindings if you want some inspiration/insight
14:32 < dustbin> ok
14:32 < kanzure> lemme see if i can find the file (InteractiveViewer.py)
14:33 < kanzure> http://code.google.com/p/pythonocc/source/browse/trunk/src/examples/Tools/InteractiveViewer/InteractiveViewer.py
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18:53 < masked> :-)  /win 6
18:53 < masked> oops
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20:01 < kanzure> tudou totally kicks the crap out of youtube
20:01 < kanzure> http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/fKREfOyrmAQ/
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