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00:42 < Utopiah> anybody stopped typing and rely instead entirely on videolog and automated transcripts?
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05:53 < kanzure> "Fulfillment meeting place has been wired to irc.quickfox.net #thefulfillment"
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07:46 < epitron> kanzure: what do you like about toudou? that viacom can't touch it? :)
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07:47 < Utopiah> btw does SeaStanding in its wiki of wherever have documents about the legal aspect of state creation?
08:16 < Utopiah> maybe there should be a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet equivalent targetting hackerspaces ;)
09:40 < fenn> first we would have to have a hackerspace OS
09:40 < fenn> can you abuse google voice to work as dictation software?
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10:02 < kanzure> raelians starting to pick up on diygenomics :/ http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rael-science-select/message/20949?var=1
10:03 < kanzure> fenn: if not, twilio.com has a transcription service
10:03 < kanzure> people have told me there's other web-based solutions out there but nobody ever ends up giving me a link
10:03 < kanzure> i just want something i can dial into so i can put my phone on "speaker mode" and just listen to our conversation
10:11 < kanzure> i keep forgetting to copy http://sourceforge.net/projects/jcline/
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10:49 < fenn> i don't want a service anyway, i want something running constantly on my mobile computer
10:50 < joshcryer> wtf is #thefulfillment?
10:52 < kanzure> joshcryer: cosmeng.org's chat room thing.
10:55 < kanzure> how do i convert a random polyline/polygon to a set of b-splines (or just one)
10:55 < joshcryer> kanzure, it sounded earily like some kind of zeitgeist movement thing.
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10:56 < joshcryer> And to just give a non-useful answer, I don't know. Heh.
10:56 < joshcryer> Ask me in 6 months.
10:57 < joshcryer> Technically that is going to result in smoothing though so it would probably be some sort of subdivision and smoothing I think.
10:57 < kanzure> "Bspline approximation of circle arc and straight line for pocket machining (2010)" aw man, published in 2010?
10:58 < kanzure> if you draw a straight line in heekscad or solidworks, and make a sketch out of it, then extrude, if it doesn't convert it to a b-spline then are they honestly a pure-NURBS implementation?
10:59 < fenn> no but who cares
10:59 < fenn> i dont think anybody ever said either was pure nurbs
11:03 < kanzure> if you have a b-spline of a 2D drawing you can easily extrude it into a three-dimensional surface
11:05 < kanzure> oh.. i guess, in the cases where you have something other than a circle or arc, or a curved edge, you just have straightlines
11:05 < kanzure> like for making up the profile of a weird shape- which just extrudes to a smooth square/rectangular surface (easy enough)
11:06 < kanzure> for other curves, you can do bspline approximation
11:06 < kanzure> for circles, it's something like uknots = [0, 0, 0, 0.25, 0.25, 0.5, 0.5, 0.75, 0.75, 1., 1, 1] and [0, r22, 1, r22, 0, -r22, -1, -r22, 0] (where r22=sqrt(2)/2)
11:08 < kanzure> Control point adjustment for b-spline curve approximation http://i.cs.hku.hk/GraphicsGroup/publications/Control%20point%20adjustment%20for%20B-spline%20curve%20approximation.pdf
11:08 < kanzure> "Pottmann et al. propose an iterative optimization scheme for approximating a target curve with a B-spline curve based on square distance minimization, or SDM."
11:10 < kanzure> although i can't imagine the approximation will be exact for curves defined as some combination of trigonometric functions (which, presumably, have a one-to-one mapping as a b-spline)
11:15 < kanzure> hmm there aren't many cases i can think of where a CAD user is defining his own b-spline or 'exact curve' anyway, so maybe this is all moot
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11:34 < phryk> The TENS I ordered arrived yesterday.
11:35 < phryk> Finally I can automate masturbation.
11:37 < archels> wat
11:38 < phryk> that got you interested, right? :3
11:39 < phryk> archels: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TENS
11:39 < archels> Well, I've experimented with that kind of technology as a means for communication, and it was pretty unconfortable.
11:41 < phryk> tens for communication?
11:41 < archels> patterned voltage stobes
11:41 < phryk> ah
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11:42 < phryk> I'm using it, or at least try to use it to fix my hand joints
11:43 < archels> ah, how does that work?
11:43 < phryk> also isn't patterned voltage exactly how computer networks work?
11:44 < phryk> you stimulate the muscles that make your hand joint move
11:44 < phryk> with a few hz
11:44 < phryk> so the joint is used and produces more "lubricant"
11:44 < phryk> Dunno the english term for it...
11:44 < archels> And that works?
11:44 < phryk> yep
11:45 < phryk> you can also just make shitloads of small movements with your joints...
11:45 < phryk> but with a tens it's much more convenient
11:45 < phryk> you don't need to think about it and can take a frequency you cannot normally reach with normal neural impulses
11:46 < archels> I see, nifty
11:47 < phryk> yep
11:47 < phryk> and the technology is  simple as hell
11:47 < archels> How many channels does it have?
11:47 < phryk> mine? two
11:47 < phryk> only used one so far, thoughh
11:47 < archels> I think those are galvanically isolated, right?
11:48 < phryk> you mean they are independent from each  other?
11:48 < archels> in a way, yes
11:49 < archels> I've never been able to find the schematic of a commercial unit.
11:49 < phryk> well mine cann oonly set the intensity independently so that mmight be the case
11:51 < phryk> i think all you need is a capacitator, a quartz (and soomething to change the freq) and a poti to control intensity
11:51 < phryk> but i have basically no knowledge of electronics at  all
11:52 < archels> well, it's a little more complicated than that.
11:52 < archels> If you should want to take photographs of the internals, I would be eternally grateful. :p
11:52 < phryk> have no cam atm
11:52 < phryk> want to get one in nov. maybe
11:53 < phryk> but the unit was just 25EUR 
11:53 < archels> That's amazingly cheap.
11:53 < phryk> yep
11:54 < phryk> if it was over 50 buucks i wouldnt have ordered it ;)
11:54 < phryk> mhh 
11:54 < phryk> my muscles seem to have some kind of limit of ~10hz to them
11:55 < phryk> if i set it any higher they don't fully relax before the next pulse comes
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12:21 < kanzure> http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/01/building-a-brighter-kid-consider-ivf/ url speaks for itself
12:22 < kanzure> i wonder if they filtered the data based on parents average income or something (IVF ain't cheap)
12:22 < archels> The article is not very quantitative.
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12:26 < fenn> has anybody actually gotten julius/sphinx to output anything at all, even bad text?
12:26 < fenn> or any linux based speech to text software
12:31 < kanzure> festival tends to work for me..
12:32 < kanzure> oops wrong way
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13:05  * fenn mumbles http://cyborgcamp.com/
13:07 < fenn> and, uh, somehow cyborgcamp.org is totally different
13:07 < kanzure> i received a mysterious box of DVDs with a piece of paper
13:07 < kanzure> the paper says: http://pastebin.com/qif504sn
13:09 < archels> How many DVDs?
13:11 < kanzure> heh EmbryoFreeze_ThawProtocol.pdf
13:11 < kanzure> about 6
13:11 < kanzure> gee i should really get /papers back up
13:15 < kanzure> "Methods in Molecular Biology - 248 - Antibody Engineering, Methods and Protocols.pdf"
13:15 < fenn> why dont we have tagging filesystems yet
13:16 < kanzure> because paul is too busy chasing windmills
13:18 < uniqanomaly_> fenn: check out nepomuk, beagle & strigi projects
13:23 < fenn> filesystem, not additional clusterfuck layer
13:23 < archels> haha
13:24 < fenn> seriously, does anybody use nepomuk?
13:24 < archels> fenn: I've begun to use a web album for tagging files.
13:39 < kanzure> did you get vmware working?
13:42 < fenn> no
13:42 < fenn> i couldnt even install solidworks on windows
13:42 < kanzure> huh? wouldn't vmware have to work first
13:42  * fenn buries self in shame
13:42 < fenn> dual boot
13:42 < kanzure> shame on you
13:42 < kanzure> what was the solidworks problem?
13:43 < fenn> dunno, the installer wouldn't run ("terminated with unusual error code" or something)
13:43 < fenn> downloaded different version in meanwhile, havent tried it yet
13:43 < kanzure> what version of solidworks or from where did you get it
13:43 < fenn> 2010, pirate bay
13:44 < kanzure> there's a few different copies on gnusha and neuroblastoma/teluremia
13:44 < kanzure> tuleremia
13:44 < fenn> so that's where i heard that word
13:46 < fenn> same iso
13:47 < fenn> thanks anyway
13:47 < fenn> oo i can try CATIA instead
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13:49 < fenn> well, now i really have no particular reason to use solidworks
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13:49 < fenn> i wonder if i should try to upload all those mp3's
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16:31 < kanzure> "Certainly.  I started work on porting the entire SW API to Java, but the  project stalled due to my lack of detailed knowledge of COM   (particularly threading).  I have 95% of the code written, and was in  the process of testing, when a nasty COM related problem surfaced that I .."
16:31 < kanzure> hm
16:31 < kanzure> that was Jim Sculley and abraxis.com
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18:02 < kanzure> hi wolfspraul 
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20:57 < ybit> fenn: this is the copy of solidworks i've been using: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5201449/SolidWorks_2010
20:57 < ybit> runs in virtualbox winxp session just fine
20:58 < ybit> and i think a lot of people use nepomuk without realizing it.. 
21:46 < kanzure> while we're at it, the iso on gnusha is different from the one on tuleremia
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