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04:27 < joshcryer> kanzure, if your strategy can't be open then, not to knock you, but I wonder if it's really a strategy that can work. Good strategies tend to be simple and reproduced independently, so if it's really good someone somewhere should be doing the same thing.
04:30 < joshcryer> <QuantumG> functional programming is a joke <- re: productivity, it's true, functional programmers a bunch of pompous nerds who achieve very little, but I think it's perfectly suited for low level software that isn't exactly exposed to the enduser, making 'programming' a much more ambigious task. I'd consider it 'programming' if someone sat down and used a widget form to make a chair, 
04:30 < joshcryer> though they wouldn't know shit about code itself.
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06:53 < JayDugger> Good morning, everyone.
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07:43 < kanzure> joshcryer: if someone is doing the same thing then DARPA will just select them
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10:41 < kanzure> baidu has a document hosting service? http://wenku.baidu.com/view/678dc17d27284b73f24250a1.html
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10:43 < kanzure> diybio stuff http://www.genomeweb.com/blog/garage-lab
10:43 < kanzure> more: http://pipeline.corante.com/archives/2010/10/07/more_on_garage_biotech.php
10:44 < kanzure> http://sugru.com/blog/citizen_science/
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10:46 < kanzure> yeast producing morphine: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=493629
10:50 < kanzure> updated: http://bit.ly/diybionews
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10:55 < kanzure> dustbin: sup?
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10:57 < dustbin> bleh
10:57 < dustbin> I should fix my machine I have nothing else to do atm
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12:12 < dustbin> alright I think I have my system back in some working order
12:12 < dustbin> what is the preferred way of starting the lolcad visualizer
12:14 < dustbin> haha seg fault grrrrr
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12:38 < kanzure> dustbin: "python visualizer.py" should do it
12:38 < kanzure> where's the segfault coming from? visualizer.py?
12:38 < kanzure> open hardware event dec. 4th/5th in munich: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Open_HW_SW_Event/de
12:38 < kanzure> related mailing list: http://lists.goldelico.com/mailman/listinfo/open-hard-software-event
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12:57 < kanzure> hi asdf2 
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13:31 < kanzure> phillip torrone is spamming the blogosphere today about his open source hardware definition
13:31 < kanzure> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/10/open-source_hardware_statement_of_p.html
13:31 < kanzure> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2010/10/08/open-source-hardware-statement-of-principles-and-draft-definition-0-4/
13:31 < kanzure> http://the-palm-sound.blogspot.com/2010/10/open-source-hardware-statement-of.html
13:32 < kanzure> http://www.openhacking.com/2010/10/08/make-online-open-source-hardware-statement-of-principles-and/
13:32 < kanzure> "open hardware legal issues" http://lwn.net/Articles/407598/
13:33 < kanzure> i'm not sure if the open patent license from CC is a good idea.
13:33 < kanzure> "and use prenegotiated patent rights to protect both ownership and the right to share, rather than depending on licenses for protection."
13:34 < kanzure> how is that different than ordinarily relying on patent licenses
13:39 < kanzure> what is this? freescale doing open source hardware? wut? http://www.silica.com/fileadmin/02_Products/Productdetails/Freescale/FRS_TWR_tool.pdf or http://freescale.com/tower
13:40 < archels> It's called "documentation."
13:40  * archels runs
13:42 < kanzure> http://www.towergeeks.org/ "Towergeeks.org is an online community, created by Digi-Key, allowing members to interact and develop and share designs"
13:42 < kanzure> yeah i'm not sure what's going on
13:42 < kanzure> i think they mean to say that "if you buy this we will provide some example files"
13:47 < kanzure> maybe they mean the debugger (osbdm) is open source: http://www.freescale.com/files/microcontrollers/hardware_tools/community/OSBDM08.zip?srch=1 (has a GPL license in it)
13:47 < kanzure> "OSBDM_JM60_OSBDM_SCH_B.pdfOSBDM-JM60 Rev. B Schematics"
13:48 < kanzure> there are also some attached files here: http://www.edaboard.com/thread76190.html#post334202
13:48 < kanzure> i wonder how they convinced freescale's legal dept. to get away with GPLing the schematics
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14:23 < kanzure> hi gourneau 
14:29 < gourneau> Howdy!
14:29 < gourneau> I am excited about Emokit, the hacked lib for the Emotiv EPOC BCI
14:29 < kanzure> i see you're in #emokit too
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14:31 < gourneau> I look forward to a day when BCIs provide a more rich communication channel than speech.
14:31 < gourneau> This is a good start :)
14:31 < archels> you're in for a bit of a wait
14:32 < gourneau> I am counting on the law of accelerating returns :)
14:34 < kanzure> well it's been 50 years since any improvements in EEG
14:37 < gourneau> Brian Litt had some cool invasive devices for the Brain. Is that what it will take?
14:38 < kanzure> i haven't plotted microelectrode array advancements on a graph yet but it would be interesting to see
14:39 < kanzure> also other invasive methods :)
14:39 < archels> gourneau: first generation? yes, probably.
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15:25 < kanzure> "the sims: garage biohacking" http://www.synthesis.cc/2010/10/the-sims-garage-biohacking.html
15:25 < kanzure> http://www.synthesis.cc/DIY-bio-graphic.jpg
15:25 < kanzure> i am very disappointed that this is not a sims extension pack
15:26 < kanzure> i also wonder who drew that
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16:16 < augur> kanzure: yeast-producing morphine?! :o
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16:31 < kanzure> morphine-producing yeast
16:31 < kanzure> both ways can be misconstrued
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17:24 < kanzure> utopiah mentioned this a few months ago but i guess it's worth repeating:
17:24 < kanzure> adrian's paper on patent law and reprap in the uk: http://www.law.ed.ac.uk/ahrc/script-ed/vol7-1/bradshaw.asp
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18:00 < kanzure> keen101: what was the post
18:00 < keen101> It was an attempt to create a DIYbio community magazine.
18:00 < keen101> "Garage Bio"
18:01 < kanzure> yeah nothing came of that
18:01 < keen101> but, apparently it became forgotten in the ravages of time.
18:01 < kanzure> the execution was poor and pathetic
18:01 < kanzure> they were going to have an editor (an actual person) put together the .pdf files
18:01 < kanzure> (and they were going to use .pdf)
18:01 < keen101> I'm hoping to revive it, and perhaps model it after the successful Fullcircle community magazine..
18:02 < kanzure> back in my day, punks would just release .txt files :P
18:02 < keen101> ..haha
18:02 < kanzure> well, do you want to write the articles or source the articles?
18:02 < kanzure> http://bit.ly/diybionews
18:02 < kanzure> ^ is a list of diybio news/blog posts that i keep and maintain
18:02 < archels> "incubate e.coli tubes in your armpit"
18:03 < kanzure> it would be pretty easy to just do some rss aggregator and a blog, then export to pdf to call it a "magazine" or whatever
18:03 < keen101> hmm...
18:04 < kanzure> archels: "diybio: the armpit of science"
18:04 < archels> haha
18:05 < keen101> haha, yeah. Priceless.
18:07 < keen101> kanzure: but, that wouldn't exactly be full of "articles" would it? Just random blog posts?
18:10 < kanzure> what is an "article"
18:10 < kanzure> :)
18:11 < keen101> ...well... maybe something of a cross between a blog post and an essay/speech.... :) heh.
18:12 < retrocommie> im thinking main street mall projector/screen
18:12 < retrocommie> and bluetooth push
18:12 < retrocommie> wifi captive portal
18:12 < kanzure> throw in some protocols from old books, that might be useful
18:19 < kanzure> does anyone have ps_stream.zip from solidworks?
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18:31 < QuantumG> just checked, I don't sorry
18:31 < kanzure> do you have solidworks?
18:31 < QuantumG> yup
18:31 < kanzure> and if so, which year, version (standard, professional, or whatever else), and do you have C:\Program Files\SolidWorks\API\ ?
18:32 < QuantumG> I have that dir
18:32 < kanzure> ooh ooh
18:32 < QuantumG> Solidworks 2009
18:32 < kanzure> is it just a bunch of help files (.chm)?
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18:33 < QuantumG> and pidcollector.exe
18:33 < QuantumG> and a redist dir with some dlls
18:34 < QuantumG> http://pastebin.com/UWA6WEYv
18:35 < kanzure> ok. you don't have the SDK.
18:36 < QuantumG> I vaguely remember installing it
18:36 < QuantumG> or at least seeing the option
18:40 < kanzure> huh.
18:42 < QuantumG> -rw-r--r-- 1 trentw trentw 4891842560 Dec 21  2009 SolidWorks2009_SP0.0_Win64.iso
18:44 < kanzure> thank you
18:44 < QuantumG> you want?  
18:44 < kanzure> i have that one too (although i seem to have a few)
18:44 < QuantumG> k
18:45 < kanzure> also, apparently solidworks directly saves a .xt parasolid file in the .sldprt file format
18:45 < kanzure> incriminating evidence: http://files.solidworks.com/API/Downloads/00000/0000s/0078/DMS_PSWks.zip
18:46 < kanzure> here's the 2006 API SDK: http://files.solidworks.com/API/Downloads/00000/0300s/0364/api_sdk.zip
18:46 < kanzure> but that's 2006 :(
19:08 < JayDugger> Good evening, everyone.
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19:25 < kanzure> i think visual studio 2010 requires templates to be manually installed by copying a .zip file to C:\Program Files\Visual Studio 10.0\Common7\IDE\VCSExpress\ProjectTemplates\1033\
19:25 < kanzure> uh, i guess that's for express-only
19:37 < kanzure> nope that doesn't work :P
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21:04 < kanzure> http://groups.google.com/group/humanityplus-members/
21:04 < kanzure> where did that come from
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21:05 < JayDugger> Ask B.G.. It lists him as "Group Owner."
21:06 < JayDugger> Heh, heh. "I'm a Canonizing Extropian Atheist Mormon" from Brent Allsop.
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21:08 < kanzure> it's probably a reference to canonizer.net
21:10 < JayDugger> Did you mean "canonizer.com?"
21:10 < kanzure> probably
21:12 < JayDugger> Matching him three of four isn't bad, I guess.
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22:08 < kanzure> 50% of marriages end in divorce
22:08 < kanzure> the other 50% end in death.
22:08 < kanzure> lose-lose :(
22:14 < QuantumG> get married, death won't seem so bad
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